Reductions for Customers

[4FoW2]

Hi all - just wondering about your thoughts along the following topic.
Should a customer who fronts relatively good looking, clean and respectful be entitled to a reduction in price as opposed to a less than desirable slob.
My thought is yes. You may say a cock to pull is just another cock to pull.
On recent occasions I have been asked to perform some carpet munching ending with her having a decent O, yes they can fake it but when they grab your head or writhe around you know you've hit the sweat spot.
Should this count for something? Have you ever been asked to " massage me" and she just lies back and takes it.
Now I do not profess to be God's gift but surely quid pro quo should count for some entitlement, or is it that the price is the price regardless.
Your thoughts.
4FoW2

[zakthekat]

Discounts have been had on birthdays and so but never just cause I was a nice guy. I've only ever paid less than normal when services were reduced.

[Finkamymain]

I would say if you are more ugly you have to pay more. Im fat and ugly asf and feel sorry for the woman that jerk me off for 50 bucks extra. The look on their face makes me feel guilty asf. Still nutted thou [emoji2957][emoji2957]

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[LoveHer]

Hi all - just wondering about your thoughts along the following topic.
Should a customer who fronts relatively good looking, clean and respectful be entitled to a reduction in price as opposed to a less than desirable slob.


It's a one way payment system. The price is the same.

Might you be able to negotiate better extras for the same pricing teir. might be able to be run over time but the price is always the same.

[blake_ly]

I think to them, letting you DATY or massage them is like bonus equity for you... so in their mind, you're getting freebies on top?

[Slops]

Remember rule no. 1 for these girls is "it's always about the money."
Sure, birthday surprises etc happen, but never go in expecting a price reduction.

[ococpunt]

I found the MLs are more willing to perform certain options with you if you are clean and decent

if you are a frequent regular and treat the girls well, I have had only 2 MLs tell me just pay this much, but it's like once in a full moon

always go in expect standard pricing as most MLs are doing a job they don't want to do, I certainly do not want to fuck or DATY on an ugly, hairy smelly pussy no matter how much you pay me

[kuk18]

Remember that it is their job and they are in need of an income. If they would be offering discounts to every good looking guy they provide a HJ for they would be running a poor business.

As for every person running a business you need to be able to separate business from pleasure, I believe that working girls that are poor at this don't last long in the business (pretty woman?).

I don't think it is fair or good business for either side to be offering/requesting discounts for bad/good looks. In principal you pay for a service, the surrounding circumstances (looks, DATY etc) should not exactly matter.

[Scotty from Marketing]

If you want to punt with your wallet go to a brothel.
There are cheaper girls in shops, but most are standard rates.
I don’t begrudge them a cent. What a shitty job.

[The Professor]

Now you know why you are forced to pay so much 4 Floors.
Guys in Brisbane have been conditioned to accept whatever price they are quoted. The majority are too gutless to negotiate or so hung up on getting off that they refuse to walk.
These are probably the same guys that married between 18 - 30, now have 2/3 kids with a huge mortgage and stuck in a relationship with an Aussie heffer and think sneaking off to the local MS is their excitement for the week.
Like a crack addict they'll do anything for a fix.
One day they will wake up and realize the error of their ways but alas it will be too late. Suggestion: If you are between 18 - 35 - go talk to a 55+ guy about women and then follow his advice.
Had a ML offer me $300 on top of massage fee for BB sex the other day. Who the fuck earns $360 an hour these days with no qualifications, experience just a pussy to fuck - and some people feel sorry for these providers. Geez.
Puff Puff Prof

[Rackster]

My view is (apart from it being courteous) is that being clean respectfully dressed etc (not as far as date, but more than seeing your mum) will always get a better service from the WL (intentional or not) - theres my discount !!

[spaceman]

Hay professor
Good name, was my nick name through high school , unfortunately you all ready have it on hear
So spaceman will have to do.

Are you talking about the young girl at highgate hill
She is off the rails ,some one has hooked Her on coke,
Kat knows about it, just brings in more money
She works at both shops , after a couple of visits , BB sex is on offer, she gets booked and sent to the casino at nights

Unfortunately I will have to wait until she crash’s to help her

[Rackster]

If you want to punt with your wallet go to a brothel.
There are cheaper girls in shops, but most are standard rates.
I don’t begrudge them a cent. What a shitty job.

shitty job indeed, so many dont see the outside of the shop for a month, and spend the rest of their time with a random cock inside them from whoever has a spare pineapple, / quickly re-sheeting while we're showering so the next one isnt shitty he'd waited 5 mins, or sitting in a darkened room waiting for a knock on the door with the next booking, - and are expected to appear happy and enthusiastic

different mentality, - its all about the money, and at least a few that save it will never work again.. but a real shitty job .....

[The Professor]

Hay professor
unfortunately you all ready have it on hear
some one has hooked Her on coke,
Unfortunately I will have to wait until she crash’s to help her..... I can see why they called you The Professor at school... I bet it started in Engrish class!
lol

[LoveHer]

.
These are probably the same guys that married between 18 - 30, now have 2/3 kids with a huge mortgage and stuck in a relationship with an Aussie heffer and think sneaking off to the local MS is their excitement for the week.
Like a crack addict they'll do anything
Geez that’s all a close to my reality. What I would do for some local consistent action. I’m really missing my regular Asian travel adventures where I get to escape all of the above and live a more handsome and carefree life.

[Kowabunga]

I consider myself a clean and respectful customer.
My aim is for the sessions to be mutually enjoyable.
I aim to gain rapport.
I pay basic amount.
I keep regular and work on rapport as long as the ML responds in kind.
As long as it continues as mutually satisfactorily ... we keep going.
... then I'm a regular ... and the sessions are really nice.
I'm happy ... she's happy.
The session is way more than paying a fee etc.
It works for me and her ... I'm ready to offer more than just money if she needs it. Like helping with whatever.
Note : Friends only.

[Ace01]

my observation:

this trade must be one of the few, where you have to pay good money and still work hard for it, lol;

[kuk18]

Now you know why you are forced to pay so much 4 Floors.
Guys in Brisbane have been conditioned to accept whatever price they are quoted. The majority are too gutless to negotiate or so hung up on getting off that they refuse to walk.
These are probably the same guys that married between 18 - 30, now have 2/3 kids with a huge mortgage and stuck in a relationship with an Aussie heffer and think sneaking off to the local MS is their excitement for the week.
Like a crack addict they'll do anything for a fix.
One day they will wake up and realize the error of their ways but alas it will be too late. Suggestion: If you are between 18 - 35 - go talk to a 55+ guy about women and then follow his advice.
Had a ML offer me $300 on top of massage fee for BB sex the other day. Who the fuck earns $360 an hour these days with no qualifications, experience just a pussy to fuck - and some people feel sorry for these providers. Geez.
Puff Puff Prof

I am assuming not many girls would like to take cock for a living for minimum wage.

In addition, would you like to stick it to the looks of the ladies that worked the flesh trade for minimum wage?

[Vmann]

Back in the day when Green Tea was at Salisbury. There was a girl there that would happily trade massage for massage. On several occasions I booked an hour with her, spent about an hour and a half massaging each other and would only pay for the hour.
This wasn't something I asked for. back in those days I was pretty fit and a qualified sports masseur. once she found out I could massage she was the one that suggested it. Very enjoyable sessions where had.

[4FoW2]

I am assuming not many girls would like to take cock for a living for minimum wage.
In addition, would you like to stick it to the looks of the ladies that worked the flesh trade for minimum wage?
So what you are saying is that for a ML with no qualifications or training you are prepared to pay 3 times the min wage in Australia just for a 1 hour massage? That's no extras included just the massage.
4FoW2

[DuelHandsOrDie]

you do realise that with all hourly rate service providers, there's a difference between what the customer pays and what the worker providing the service gets right?

Yes it’s outlined in the award... what’s your point?


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[kuk18]

So what you are saying is that for a ML with no qualifications or training you are prepared to pay 3 times the min wage in Australia just for a 1 hour massage? That's no extras included just the massage.
4FoW2

If you pay 60$ for 1 hour of massage the girl doesn't pocket that 60$. The shop takes it share and it also unlikely that she will have back to back appointments the whole day so I doubt that she can extract 8 x 60 = 480$ in gross income for a full days work.

That said, I would not subject myself to the amount of massages I do if I ONLY would get the massage. The massage fee is the "fine" you need to pay to the shop and then extras on top of that are likely pocketed by the girl. If I ONLY would get the massage then I would need to reconsider how often I frequent the establishments as my need for a massage is not as great as my need for the extras :miao:

It really comes down to supply and demand. If the girls and shops can extract 60 + 50 to 150 for their services then they will continue to do that. If that is fair or not is not really relevant as it all comes down to the market and what the customers are willing to pay.

I do think it is fair that extras are paid more than stacking shelves at woolies.

[DuelHandsOrDie]

ahhh, my point. the point that there is a difference between bill out rates and what a worker gets. pretty straight forward. do you need it explained?

whatever you think you are achieving here, its quite the opposite, more of a disservice. do you know what a disservice is?

That’s where the ML pays you? For disservice.


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[rockbreaker]

Back in the day when Green Tea was at Salisbury. There was a girl there that would happily trade massage for massage. On several occasions I booked an hour with her, spent about an hour and a half massaging each other and would only pay for the hour.
This wasn't something I asked for. back in those days I was pretty fit and a qualified sports masseur. once she found out I could massage she was the one that suggested it. Very enjoyable sessions where had.

I am very much still doing this till today. The girls always enjoy it and compliment my massage skills. The fun part is....the teasing, tickle tackle. It is just like how they normally give it to the guys, i.e. most members here, but the girls are now the one receiving. Never had one rejection before.

[4FoW2]

ahhh, my point. the point that there is a difference between bill out rates and what a worker gets. pretty straight forward. do you need it explained?
whatever you think you are achieving here, its quite the opposite, more of a disservice. do you know what a disservice is?
Herein lies my issue. What I am discussing is just like not all ML are equal not all punters are equal.
When you go to the fish and chip shop are you overly concerned with what the junior behind the counter gets paid? To me the bottom line is what I have to pay. Very few ML in Aust are forced to work in this industry and if they don't want to massage you they don't have to. Disservice is ML over inflating their prices and expecting all to pay the same price IMO.
Consider this: You had a shop where you massaged Aussie heffers and gave them a orgasm by your fingers for 60 + 100 for nude could you or would you do it? If they were lining up at the door like many horny Brisbane males do - could you have min of 5 appointments per day and make $600. The ones that were OK you could charge a bit more and get more money. Could you make $1000 a day? Remember no one says you have to work in a shop, you can work legally at home.
To me, and its just my opinion, too many guys write themselves off as undesirable to ML and expect to pay premium dollar.
Or have they just been pussy whipped all their life and are conditioned to accept whatever a female says?
4FOW2

[The Professor]

Give up 4 Floors, you are waging a loosing battle.
Some comments about "awards" and "the fine you have to pay" or " what the customers are willing to pay" are priceless.
I think your last 2 sentences sum it up.
Prof

[kuk18]

Herein lies my issue. What I am discussing is just like not all ML are equal not all punters are equal.
When you go to the fish and chip shop are you overly concerned with what the junior behind the counter gets paid? To me the bottom line is what I have to pay. Very few ML in Aust are forced to work in this industry and if they don't want to massage you they don't have to. Disservice is ML over inflating their prices and expecting all to pay the same price IMO.
Consider this: You had a shop where you massaged Aussie heffers and gave them a orgasm by your fingers for 60 + 100 for nude could you or would you do it? If they were lining up at the door like many horny Brisbane males do - could you have min of 5 appointments per day and make $600. The ones that were OK you could charge a bit more and get more money. Could you make $1000 a day? Remember no one says you have to work in a shop, you can work legally at home.
To me, and its just my opinion, too many guys write themselves off as undesirable to ML and expect to pay premium dollar.
Or have they just been pussy whipped all their life and are conditioned to accept whatever a female says?
4FOW2

Whatever the females says is the market price. If the horny guys are lining up outside willing to pay then that is fair value. Capitalism at work. If that is fair etc has nothing to do with it.

[The Professor]

Whatever the females says is the market price. Really?

[kuk18]

Whatever the females says is the market price. Really?

I was quoting 4FoW2, if you think the expressions sounds weird.

[Batting100]

Consider this: You had a shop where you massaged Aussie heffers and gave them a orgasm by your fingers for 60 + 100 for nude could you or would you do it?
4FOW2

So in your situation I’m a guy who massages girls??? Ok so what where those same ladies are grabbing my head and shoving it into their stinky unwashed snatch making me vomit, there are people who try to rape and if I’m LUCKY my coworkers will save me, I have to clean up shit off the table coz these Aussie heffers cant control themselves or wipe their asses properly. Or how about when they go into the bathroom and piss all over the wall and floor because they, like a lot of the guys on here seem to resent paying me money and see me subservient them. Or maybe they find out what my real name is and start stalking me.. if I’m lucky they will eventually leave me alone, if I’m unlucky they will start trying to blackmail me by telling my friends or family how I make a living...

We pay people who do a legal job ‘danger money’, You don’t think think this profession lends itself to that criteria

[The Professor]

I was quoting 4FoW2, if you think the expressions sounds weird.
verbatim?
Batt - I don't think 4 F is suggesting they receive the same money as lol stocking shelves at Woolies but I think he is trying to get a fair exchange for a fair service.
Yes I agree they sometimes come across shitty customers but I think someone said they don't have to accept everyone who walks in and you appear to paint the majority of punters as scumbags. I am respectful are you, well there's two.
I'm not here to defend him but I believe just like when Woolies and Coles collude on pricing, the petrol companies screw you at the pump and insurance companies just keep putting up your premiums year after year to say Oh it just Capitalism at work is doing you and society a gross disservice.
Lets see what he says. But I think this topic has two very distinct corners of opinion and debating it appears a waste of energy.

[Joe7326]

At the end of the day, the ML gets the final say. Their body, their decision. Expecting a discount because you have tickets on yourself seems so disrespectful to the girls. Safe to assume less would be on offer if you’re a smelly rude slob vs a gentleman. If you’re that unhappy with the pricing, try to politely negotiate of just turn down the service.

I seriously don’t understand why this thread has been going on for so long.

[kuk18]

verbatim?
Batt - I don't think 4 F is suggesting they receive the same money as lol stocking shelves at Woolies but I think he is trying to get a fair exchange for a fair service.
Yes I agree they sometimes come across shitty customers but I think someone said they don't have to accept everyone who walks in and you appear to paint the majority of punters as scumbags. I am respectful are you, well there's two.
I'm not here to defend him but I believe just like when Woolies and Coles collude on pricing, the petrol companies screw you at the pump and insurance companies just keep putting up your premiums year after year to say Oh it just Capitalism at work is doing you and society a gross disservice.
Lets see what he says. But I think this topic has two very distinct corners of opinion and debating it appears a waste of energy.

Here is the post, number 28 in this thread. I have highlighted the section I quoted in bold.
As you can see my reply was a direct response to his post in regards to "what the females say". Taken out of context I admit it sounds a bit strange yes.

Herein lies my issue. What I am discussing is just like not all ML are equal not all punters are equal.
When you go to the fish and chip shop are you overly concerned with what the junior behind the counter gets paid? To me the bottom line is what I have to pay. Very few ML in Aust are forced to work in this industry and if they don't want to massage you they don't have to. Disservice is ML over inflating their prices and expecting all to pay the same price IMO.
Consider this: You had a shop where you massaged Aussie heffers and gave them a orgasm by your fingers for 60 + 100 for nude could you or would you do it? If they were lining up at the door like many horny Brisbane males do - could you have min of 5 appointments per day and make $600. The ones that were OK you could charge a bit more and get more money. Could you make $1000 a day? Remember no one says you have to work in a shop, you can work legally at home.
To me, and its just my opinion, too many guys write themselves off as undesirable to ML and expect to pay premium dollar.
Or have they just been pussy whipped all their life and are conditioned to accept whatever a female says?
4FOW2

[kuk18]

So in your situation I’m a guy who massages girls??? Ok so what where those same ladies are grabbing my head and shoving it into their stinky unwashed snatch making me vomit, there are people who try to rape and if I’m LUCKY my coworkers will save me, I have to clean up shit off the table coz these Aussie heffers cant control themselves or wipe their asses properly. Or how about when they go into the bathroom and piss all over the wall and floor because they, like a lot of the guys on here seem to resent paying me money and see me subservient them. Or maybe they find out what my real name is and start stalking me.. if I’m lucky they will eventually leave me alone, if I’m unlucky they will start trying to blackmail me by telling my friends or family how I make a living...

We pay people who do a legal job ‘danger money’, You don’t think think this profession lends itself to that criteria

Wow, those are some real truths there. It hurts :-) I guess I will aim better next time I go to the toilet ;-)

I completely agree though, if you are in the flesh trade you can and should charge more than a "normal" legit job.

[kuk18]

At the end of the day, the ML gets the final say. Their body, their decision. Expecting a discount because you have tickets on yourself seems so disrespectful to the girls. Safe to assume less would be on offer if you’re a smelly rude slob vs a gentleman. If you’re that unhappy with the pricing, try to politely negotiate of just turn down the service.

I seriously don’t understand why this thread has been going on for so long.

Everybody wants to save a dollar :D

[4FoW2]

Concluding comment: Compliance soon leads to control.
Is that what you really want? I'm out.
4FOW2

[DuelHandsOrDie]

Concluding comment: Compliance soon leads to control.
Is that what you really want? I'm out.
4FOW2

I usually like a glass of cold water. But noooooo not even.


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[Kowabunga]

Hi all - just wondering about your thoughts along the following topic.
Should a customer who fronts relatively good looking, clean and respectful be entitled to a reduction in price as opposed to a less than desirable slob.
My thought is yes. You may say a cock to pull is just another cock to pull.
On recent occasions I have been asked to perform some carpet munching ending with her having a decent O, yes they can fake it but when they grab your head or writhe around you know you've hit the sweat spot.
Should this count for something? Have you ever been asked to " massage me" and she just lies back and takes it.
Now I do not profess to be God's gift but surely quid pro quo should count for some entitlement, or is it that the price is the price regardless.
Your thoughts.
4FoW2

Going back to 4FoW2's original point. I agree that some higher level of service for a lower amount paid can be worthy of consideration ... but depends on the connection between the ML and guy. I prefer "worthy of consideration" as to "entitled"
I'm certainly more likely to stay with an ML if that level of arrangement can be attained.
It usually takes a few visits to prove yourself worthy I think.
Then it goes from there.
I prefer visiting an ML that I have rapport with and like her company and she feels the same with me. Nothing romantic ... we just appreciate and enjoy each other's company.
More enjoyable ... more fun as well ... in a relaxed way.

[DuelHandsOrDie]

My Grandfather would say “Make em squirt and the back pocket won’t hurt”

Probably applies with MLs


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[kuk18]

My Grandfather would say “Make em squirt and the back pocket won’t hurt”

Probably applies with MLs


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Haha, was he referring to working girls only or women in general? Sounds like a man with a lot of wisdom.

[DuelHandsOrDie]

Haha, was he referring to working girls only or women in general? Sounds like a man with a lot of wisdom.

Oh women in general meaning partners will always hurt u hahahaha working ladies you can pick battles and have a better risk profile


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