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letsgo
10-03-2021, 01:52 PM
just wondering what are the most outrageous prices you have been quoted/paid for extras.

went to a "legit" thai massage place today since I really needed a massage and there's nothing else in the area that I can quickly pop in my lunchtime.

Massage was alright put a towel on me and when she got to my legs she took it off completely. she ended the back with rubbing on my butt and giving me tt, then she asked if i wanted extras... where i ask what does she do and she said HJ, NHJ, B2B intrigued I asked how much and she quoted $50/$100/$150 where I immediately went no. flipped over and covered me up again near the end she asked if i was sure while touching close to my cock and i was firm and said no.

there must either be some very desperate guys that pay that much or she doesn't really give much extras...

also during the massage she was randomly talking about how she's on her period and stuff so I would have guaranteed that if i chose nhj she wouldn't have taken off her panties.

aussiegaigin
10-03-2021, 02:12 PM
You did the right thing.

I'd just tell them what I pay elsewhere; take that or nothing.

tales88
10-03-2021, 02:40 PM
Depends on the masseur, if they look great than 50/100 is not out of the question for extra's.

surething91
10-03-2021, 03:04 PM
there must either be some very desperate guys that pay that much or she doesn't really give much extras...
Or some rich guys who don't give a fuck...

It also depends how legit was the shop. If it's a real legit thai massage I would say the price might be higher. I might pay $50 for HJ but no more (if I knew such a place).

Again it's offer vs demand: she will lower her price if nobody takes it. We have to keep the market at our advantage refusing high prices!

annintofu
10-03-2021, 03:58 PM
i never go to thai joints (zero interest in thai girls). the quotes you got are way too off the usual range.

Chinese MLs i see almost always quote $50 for fully nude hj, whether b2b or fingering are allowed depends on the girl (most don't mind), important thing is they don't give this tiered quotes which ruins the mood right from the start.

Jap MLs used to be the same before 2019, but now quite a lot of japs have started using this menu-like system:
50 - nude hj, no touching
70 - nude hj, touching allowed
80-100 b2b, fingering, 69 daty, all included
whenever the ML tells me this, my response is always, no thanks, don't need any extras, just normal massage. And they always look disappointed but still carry on with a good massage. some would even try to do some tickle-tackle to arouse me, but i simply never had the mood for it once the girl had put her services on a menu like that.

AHLUNGOR
10-03-2021, 04:58 PM
Is $200 for FS considered outrageous? Did it about 5 times in my punting life in Sydney!

The first two times was at Zanadu (HK) and the old Chequers (K), both times were sensational!

The last three times were more recent and I must say they were underwhelming experiences!

trampslikeus55
10-03-2021, 05:13 PM
It is the ambit claim in all negotiations. She goes high, you go low, then you meet somewhere that you can both except. 👍 my guess is if you walked she was not a stunner. No skin lost by either parties. Move on, no news here

letsgo
10-03-2021, 06:40 PM
It’s not really news i'm just asking what have peoples experiences been like. I’ve been over quoted a few times by like $20 or whatever but this was just way over the top seeing if anyone has been given prices like this before.

I’m rarely in the mood to negotiate, it actually turns me off. Only times I’ve negotiated is when a ml actually provides more extras than I expected and I don’t have enough and I say if so and so alright since that’s all I have which either gets accepted or rejected (fair enough)

Labia Vortex
10-03-2021, 07:19 PM
Know the pricing structure of RnT....never deviate or compromise

aussiegaigin
10-03-2021, 08:08 PM
Any one planning on going interstate should practice going to these shops and getting used to the higher price structures.

exstar
10-03-2021, 11:16 PM
Any one planning on going interstate should practice going to these shops and getting used to the higher price structures.

Yep in Brisbane the standard tip for HJ was $50 then NHJ $100 - better off going to the cauc FS shops!

Markin
10-03-2021, 11:25 PM
I have paid an $80 tip for NHJ a couple of times with 90 minute bookings. It's fair enough paying more if it's a longer booking.

annintofu
11-03-2021, 12:07 AM
Was this Tokio Studio?

No, Tokio girls are generally quite good-natured (kudos to june) and understand customers wouldn't feel comfortable about such a system.
At this shop, I've mostly seen two options:
- $50 for fully nude hj (b2b and touching mostly allowed, how far you can go is ymmv)
- $100 for FS
simple and fair.

The hare-brained system outlined above were originally from a few bad apples in AlbanyMassage of st leonards (i believe) and then spread to a few MLs in the japanese massage joint on gardners rd of rosebery and another joint in crows nest.

A case in point: I saw a girl Maya at 702 Mascot back in 2018, and she was very new and quite innocent at the time (A-cup, that's the only downside). For a $50 tip I enjoyed all I wanted from a fully nude massage session with a 21yo young jap with a super fit tight body. Before leaving, I told her the place is a bit far so I may not be able to come too often, she then told me she also worked at this crows nest jap massage, and gave me the address and phone#. About a month later, I went to the crows nest place and to my delight maya was free, so I paid for a 1-hr session. Once in the room, she recognized me and started the massage. 10mins or so into it, she asked if I wanted extra, I said yes and paid her $50 as before, she didn't say anything, but later on when we both got nude and I start rubbing her pussy, she at first didn't say much but then started pushing my hands off saying in a hushed voice "that's enough, it's not included...", upon further inquiry, she said if I wanted to touch her down there, i had to pay $20 more. Needless to say, this was a very bad experience, and I stopped touching her pussy. The session went downhill from there, I eventually shot my load and left about 10mins early.

Some bros say "it's just an extra $20, no biggie", and I don't agree. A session based on such a pricing structure ruins the mood as it generally has no suspense, no surprise (in a good way), you see the ML as a hardcore sex worker intent on extracting the maximum amount of cash from your wallet and doing as little as possible, any pretense of chemistry or connection is dropped right from the start.

Maybe some people don't mind while having a hardon and need urgent relief by a good looking girl, and that's exactly the kind of people whom these girls try to take advantage of.

annintofu
11-03-2021, 12:13 AM
...
I’m rarely in the mood to negotiate, it actually turns me off.
same for me, i've never negotiated with any ML. If the price doesn't sound right, I just go massage-only.

liminal
11-03-2021, 01:06 AM
Recently 200 was about the most ludicrous, this was with a regular , after we had a usual session , suddenly she doubled the fee , I politely smiled and paid the usual and an extra $20

Never saw her since

MRZ
11-03-2021, 02:12 AM
Sometimes I wonder how things go on with those small massage cubicle.

I never got into the massage and then getting offers for extra. I suppose if you click you can get some nice extras.

But yeah some girls will try and squeeze some high prices. Up to you if you want to pay it or not. You still getting a massage out of it.

aussiegaigin
11-03-2021, 07:18 AM
Quite often, if you refuse the extras, the quality of the massage will drop.

letsgo
11-03-2021, 10:18 AM
Quite often, if you refuse the extras, the quality of the massage will drop.

so true, felt like the massage dropped after that (which has been the case after I refuse extras). and also it finished about 10mins early which I wasn't happy about, my primary reason was I really needed a massage being cooped at home all day so i'm not fussed about not getting extras but the fact she didn't bother after being rejected and finishing early is poor form especially since it tries to promote itself as a legit expensive massage place.

rooter
11-03-2021, 07:00 PM
A punt in a R&T shop where you get DATY, BBBJ, fuck etc with the girl can end up costing you the same as going to a FS brothel for the same thing.
And so it should. You want stuff, you pay for it. That's punting. Enjoy!

Budgyboy
11-03-2021, 08:08 PM
Not sure if lets go punts much or got lucky but girls asking for that price especially young thai girls is more often than not the norm. Got to remember massage shops generally are not brothels. They are taking a risk and as a risk manager myself, you always make sure that you cover unforseen incidentals. You want someone to take a risk cheaply, bet you wouldnt.

BlackToad
11-03-2021, 08:42 PM
Most costly extra offered: $250 for FS with a young Thai girl, I’d seen her a number of times and that was the one and only time she offered FS to me. She’s cute but not $250 worth of cute so I declined. Later on in the session she climbed on top of me and gave me a pussy slide until she came. First time she had done that too, she later admitted that she was feeling horny that day and only changed the standard $50 extra.

2nd most costly extra: $200 for FS with a Chinese MILF. Overpriced. I declined and opted for the NHJ instead.

Highest priced extra I accepted: $150 for FS with a really attractive Thai lady. It was a couple of years ago and I still think about her sometimes. Was in a shop with just a curtain for the door and the reception lady sat right next to the curtain. That kind of turned me on too.

Tommyboi
11-03-2021, 09:27 PM
My willingness to pay is very high! Had a massage with this amazing young thai girl, a HJ was not going to cut it... things were going well and there was some rapport, so I asked for full service... she said no, she doesn't do that with customers ... I said what about for $300... she said no again, she didn't have a dom. Lucky I had one! The sex was what dreams are made of, tight wet pussy, creaming everywhere all over my cock like anime porn. She clearly hadn't had much sex, and maybe I got lucky and she needed the cash.

Girls with not much mileage on the clock are worth their weight in gold!

liminal
12-03-2021, 06:02 PM
the now ‘retired’ Ruby . $200

after a usual athletic and acrobatic session with her, she surprisingly went and doubled her ‘fee’. I was struck by her pricing changes, despite most not all options being the same , thought it was unusual. I declined to pay the $200 . Paid $150

kingwally
12-03-2021, 06:27 PM
I paid $200 to Cherry (the Philo) at Divas a few years ago, definitely not worth it, but cute girl with inverted nipples. I was quoted $250 by a Nepalese girl mid last year but that is ridiculous and I told her so. We met by chance in the city a few weeks later , and I took her home after a reasonable meal in World Square and fucked her several times.

DownUnda
13-03-2021, 12:54 AM
Well can confirm that the girls from Newton Pretty Massage are like that so the rate includes HJ but B2B is extra 50-100 which is too much.

Had a so so experience with Sophie agree on the B2B and she tells e oh sorry I can’t take off everything because period and it’s like wtf.

Just finished with a normal HJ but honestly dissatisfied.

Second time with another girl same thing want take off panties 50, B2B 50 more come on , No thanks. At this point avoid them

gthgrt
13-03-2021, 01:04 PM
Well can confirm that the girls from Newton Pretty Massage are like that so the rate includes HJ but B2B is extra 50-100 which is too much.

Had a so so experience with Sophie agree on the B2B and she tells e oh sorry I can’t take off everything because period and it’s like wtf.

Just finished with a normal HJ but honestly dissatisfied.

Second time with another girl same thing want take off panties 50, B2B 50 more come on , No thanks. At this point avoid them

According to management the $120 price includes B2B and NHJ. If you don't receive that service or the girl tries to charge more for it, they want you to tell them before you leave.

This was posted a week ago by their management in another tread.

DownUnda
13-03-2021, 01:07 PM
No unfortunately it doesn’t include it and can confirm with other punter that he also was asked for this extras for the NHJ and B2B

gthgrt
13-03-2021, 03:23 PM
No unfortunately it doesn’t include it and can confirm with other punter that he also was asked for this extras for the NHJ and B2B

I understand that in your personal experience and others, B2B and NHJ was not included or the ML's asked for more money before they would deliver.

Did you talk to management?

Last week when another member posted a similar complaint to yours, Management replied with this.

"...our price includes B2B and NHJ.
Next time if similar issues happen, pls let me know when you come out, thank you..."


It seems that Management and the ML's aren't on the same page, about what level of service should be supplied for the initial $120. Seems that the Ml's are trying to take advantage of customers once they are in the room. The sister shop? Chanel At Home, advertises the same deal, $120 including B2B and NHJ, and there are posts about the ML's trying the same thing there.

cuteguy
13-03-2021, 04:23 PM
You did the right thing.

I'd just tell them what I pay elsewhere; take that or nothing.

At one place, the ML put her nose in the air and said she didn't care. Take it or leave and I put my nose in the air and said I'm going! It appeared she wasn't desperate for money.

surething91
13-03-2021, 06:35 PM
According to management the $120 price includes B2B and NHJ. If you don't receive that service or the girl tries to charge more for it, they want you to tell them before you leave.

This was posted a week ago by their management in another tread.
Exactly! Guys don't be tricked! Cleary there are more demands than offers so some MLs try to take advantages of the situation.

But if it was said by the shop it's included it shouldn't be extra once in the room! This would be false advertisements!

Labia Vortex
13-03-2021, 08:44 PM
Exactly! Guys don't be tricked! Cleary there are more demands than offers so some MLs try to take advantages of the situation.

But if it was said by the shop it's included it shouldn't be extra once in the room! This would be false advertisements!
Booked Monica at Newtown Pretty...given Sophie
Sophie wanted $40 on top
Two rorts
Think Sophie was invited to leave

surething91
13-03-2021, 09:11 PM
Booked Monica at Newtown Pretty...given Sophie
Sophie wanted $40 on top
Two rorts
Think Sophie was invited to leave
Yeah it sounds like the business owner is not happy with that, which is good!

apokalypse
15-03-2021, 01:48 PM
agreed...i always ask them if they do private rather than pay extra $60 for massage place, as people said rather go to brothel for same price.

BadDog1980
18-03-2021, 05:51 PM
Rooter...pretty spot on bro. At a B2B massage shop $60 + $50 ML tip is very reasonable for the hour. If she offers extras like cbj/bbbj/fs...I wouldn't mind paying extra depending on how hot she is and the vibe between us. If we click, it full steam ahead for me.

It's gets a bit more fun when it comes to legit massage shops. When she is almost done massaging your back and then you get the whisper... "You wanna hand job?" I turn around with that innocent look on my face like I don't know what you mean? Then she will motion with her hand, her intentions. I ask how much and she say "$50 Dolla". Then I sit up and explain to her why I pay her $50 for something I can do at home by myself.... (Which I am Grandmaster Expert Level)... She normally gives off a laugh, some bullshit compliment about you like "you very smart or good customer".... Then.... " For you.. $30 Dolla!" Fella's...the price just went down $20 bucks.
But just a HJ is not my thing... NHJ...is better. And of course B2B with NHJ is even more better. The most I paid extra at a legit MS was $100 to a petite Thai Goddess (flawless body, very pretty face). She asked for $50 for HJ and I proposed to her $100 for some DATY and BBBJ ... and she went for it.

To sum it up... If she ain't naked, I find it ridiculous to pay $50 or even $30 for something I can do by myself in the comfort of my home..... CHUR!

the_boss_king
26-03-2021, 05:25 PM
some of the girlsd at babylon massage, ask for an extra tip of 200-400. thats outrageous !

cuteguy
27-03-2021, 04:44 PM
Rooter...pretty spot on bro. At a B2B massage shop $60 + $50 ML tip is very reasonable for the hour. If she offers extras like cbj/bbbj/fs...I wouldn't mind paying extra depending on how hot she is and the vibe between us. If we click, it full steam ahead for me.

It's gets a bit more fun when it comes to legit massage shops. When she is almost done massaging your back and then you get the whisper... "You wanna hand job?" I turn around with that innocent look on my face like I don't know what you mean? Then she will motion with her hand, her intentions. I ask how much and she say "$50 Dolla". Then I sit up and explain to her why I pay her $50 for something I can do at home by myself.... (Which I am Grandmaster Expert Level)... She normally gives off a laugh, some bullshit compliment about you like "you very smart or good customer".... Then.... " For you.. $30 Dolla!" Fella's...the price just went down $20 bucks.
But just a HJ is not my thing... NHJ...is better. And of course B2B with NHJ is even more better. The most I paid extra at a legit MS was $100 to a petite Thai Goddess (flawless body, very pretty face). She asked for $50 for HJ and I proposed to her $100 for some DATY and BBBJ ... and she went for it.

To sum it up... If she ain't naked, I find it ridiculous to pay $50 or even $30 for something I can do by myself in the comfort of my home..... CHUR!

I agree here. Why would you pay money for HJ with the girl not naked? It has to be a naked girl or hasta la vista (goodbye).:cool2:

Putter
28-03-2021, 09:49 PM
Lol I did the same with Cherry! It was about 5 years ago. She was 19 and I just went with the flow of fucking an attractive legit teen. That was the most I ever paid as tips to a ML for FS.


I paid $200 to Cherry (the Philo) at Divas a few years ago, definitely not worth it, but cute girl with inverted nipples. I was quoted $250 by a Nepalese girl mid last year but that is ridiculous and I told her so. We met by chance in the city a few weeks later , and I took her home after a reasonable meal in World Square and fucked her several times.

aussiegaigin
28-03-2021, 11:08 PM
I agree here. Why would you pay money for HJ with the girl not naked? It has to be a naked girl or hasta la vista (goodbye).:cool2:
Go back 10-15 years, all you got offered was a $20 CHJ. Nude was virtually unheard of. When it did start to creep into the menu, a lot of girls still wouldn't do it. Now they probably wouldn't do a $20 job.

doyouseewhatisee
29-03-2021, 12:57 AM
Had a similar experience as the OP - after a nice RNT I want across the street to a legit shop for a 90 minute session .. she was amazing throughout the 80 mins and I was really impressed with the way she worked the back and legs .. then she asked me if I wanted a HJ .. I am always keen for round two so I asked how much .. she said $50 with clothes on .. I was like no that’s not the price .. so agreed at $20 where she only massages my balls and I help myself ..it was a good $20 spend
Later I enlisted her about Sydney prices .. she was a bit surprised gave her this webpage and asked her to read some AR of fellow punters ...

Hope I have managed to convert her

lonely heart
29-03-2021, 03:24 AM
Go back 10-15 years, all you got offered was a $20 CHJ. Nude was virtually unheard of. When it did start to creep into the menu, a lot of girls still wouldn't do it. Now they probably wouldn't do a $20 job.

Back then was cloth HJ is free, 30 gets up a NHJ and sometimes even a BBBJ throw in. FS was 50 and max out at 70. Of course I am talking mostly inner west MILFs but there were always surprise Billy's at Burwood then David at Newtown / Liverpool and Alice's at Ashfield. The ramp in Campsie was the last to take the crown. All budget west area joins. Those were the days!!

GoldfishMan
29-03-2021, 09:04 AM
Some of you guys paying so much more tips. It's got to be "ultra" GFE or it ain't worth it for sure.
I had a recent run in with a very pretty Korean ML (Max from SS). Complete amateur at the job, doesn't even know how to give a good HJ. I like that type so I tried to get more. Tried increasing the tip amount. Very early in the negotiating process (or maybe it was a non-event and she never does anything more?) I actually lost interest. I had to beat myself off in the end. That was real bad, lol... The attempt to get extras actually killed my mood completely!

AHLUNGOR
29-03-2021, 09:37 AM
Back then was cloth HJ is free, 30 gets up a NHJ and sometimes even a BBBJ throw in. FS was 50 and max out at 70. Of course I am talking mostly inner west MILFs but there were always surprise Billy's at Burwood then David at Newtown / Liverpool and Alice's at Ashfield. The ramp in Campsie was the last to take the crown. All budget west area joins. Those were the days!!

Haha, brother LH, when it came to value for money back at 501, we have been on total agreement haven’t we ?

My pineapple has never given yours truly more bangs bangs since......... lol

AHLUNGOR
29-03-2021, 09:51 AM
I agree here. Why would you pay money for HJ with the girl not naked? It has to be a naked girl or hasta la vista (goodbye).:cool2:

Sorry guys, I hate to differ, but getting your manhood pampered by a pair of female hands was some enjoyment my own hands can’t deliver, talking about different skin sensations and body chemistry and electricity here, especially if she knows what she is doing ! Yuki at Bondi and all those other places was a perfect example.

Then of course, if nude or topless is on the menu, I’ll take it for sure if the Cup size is right........ haha

liminal
29-03-2021, 04:32 PM
Sorry guys, I hate to differ, but getting your manhood pampered by a pair of female hands was some enjoyment my own hands can’t deliver, talking about different skin sensations and body chemistry and electricity here, especially if she knows what she is doing ! Yuki at Bondi and all those other places was a perfect example.

Then of course, if nude or topless is on the menu, I’ll take it for sure if the Cup size is right........ haha

Wholly agree with you sir ahLungor I’ve had many a poor /inexperienced /indifferent NHJ +++ and some excruciatingly well delivered edging sessionS of 1.5 -2 hour durations with a clothed ML

In point of fact, booked tonight 7:30 . As it’s a chaste session Corso cause I get the benefit of a seriously good legitimate massage and seriously good prolonged edging happy to pay $50

woods23
29-03-2021, 06:00 PM
Sorry guys, I hate to differ, but getting your manhood pampered by a pair of female hands was some enjoyment my own hands can’t deliver, talking about different skin sensations and body chemistry and electricity here, especially if she knows what she is doing ! Yuki at Bondi and all those other places was a perfect example.

Then of course, if nude or topless is on the menu, I’ll take it for sure if the Cup size is right........ haha

Lougor yes....if a hot girl come up to me at a pub/ anywhere nd offer me a hj in the unisex toilet for $50 I will not hesitate one second.

A buckets list? I Hope one day it will happen haha:smile:

cuteguy
05-04-2021, 06:58 PM
Lougor yes....if a hot girl come up to me at a pub/ anywhere nd offer me a hj in the unisex toilet for $50 I will not hesitate one second.

A buckets list? I Hope one day it will happen haha:smile:

You should have become a sports star and the girls (groupies) would be lining up to do it for no charge. Remember Candice Falzon, a glamorous national ironwoman, who was captured on a mobile phone image with rugby league superstar Sonny Bill Williams in a men's toilet cubicle? I bet she's regretting it now.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/candice-warner-discusses-sonny-bill-williams-toilet-tryst-on-sas-australia/news-story/32d29c25da126e341ce1672a7565efaf

Koolpunt
05-04-2021, 07:34 PM
My standard:
$20 HJ
$50 NHJ / CBJ
$100 FS

D.Li
05-04-2021, 07:38 PM
Hey gentlemen, good thread btw~ yeah I can confirm a few are true. IME max tip for HJ is $50 for ML, max for NHJ is $100, Sucking with condom $110 and finally FS w/o sucking $200...
also why not throw in the cheapest while we're at it...for HJ $15(cos no additional cash left lols), NHJ $30(mature ML), BBBJ $70 and FS with sucking $90. Head to a proper FS shop for the full experience and massage for chats or relaxation...

james912
05-04-2021, 08:57 PM
Hey gentlemen, good thread btw~ yeah I can confirm a few are true. IME max tip for HJ is $50 for ML, max for NHJ is $100, Sucking with condom $110 and finally FS w/o sucking $200...
also why not throw in the cheapest while we're at it...for HJ $15(cos no additional cash left lols), NHJ $30(mature ML), BBBJ $70 and FS with sucking $90. Head to a proper FS shop for the full experience and massage for chats or relaxation...

wow, $200 for FS is pricey, on top of the massage fee, so to just fuck once, it can cost about $260 (200+60), that's really pricey.
haha cant you do both chat and relaxation in a proper fs shop

Rogeryou
05-04-2021, 10:04 PM
wow, $200 for FS is pricey, on top of the massage fee, so to just fuck once, it can cost about $260 (200+60), that's really pricey.
haha cant you do both chat and relaxation in a proper fs shop

I would never pay that, like you said it ends up being 265 for one go in the last 15 minutes.
I don’t think it’s worth it, you can go FS for that and get everything included and have multiple goes.

Rogeryou
05-04-2021, 10:43 PM
I always feel like its conveyer belt experience at FS joints. The routine is so set that its just not that interesting or exciting.
Depends who you get man just like with an RNT bro same
Same

D.Li
05-04-2021, 11:07 PM
I always find it interesting that dudes have multiple goes in a session, how long does the first go take?

Depends on the chemistry and if the temporary couple is willing. I'd always find 1 off passionate sex better than multiple forced ejaculation.

james912
06-04-2021, 12:19 AM
I would never pay that, like you said it ends up being 265 for one go in the last 15 minutes.
I don’t think it’s worth it, you can go FS for that and get everything included and have multiple goes.

yup i agree. I just feel the whole punting thing as a transactional thing. I dont care about the GFE. Besides, i am not that rich to experiment out on RNT and top up anything more than 150 dollars for FS.

I think some RNT place charge around 120 dollars for 1hr of massage? How do you guys know if the 120 dollars provides HJ or CBJ along with the massage?

Vader
06-04-2021, 10:46 AM
I always find it interesting that dudes have multiple goes in a session, how long does the first go take?

It's the internet mate, don't believe eveything you read

Rogeryou
06-04-2021, 03:05 PM
yup i agree. I just feel the whole punting thing as a transactional thing. I dont care about the GFE. Besides, i am not that rich to experiment out on RNT and top up anything more than 150 dollars for FS.

I think some RNT place charge around 120 dollars for 1hr of massage? How do you guys know if the 120 dollars provides HJ or CBJ along with the massage?

You don’t know mate, most of my mates go to different places and web sites like this you can get a bit of a good idea. Any new places you try go with 30min. I always ask upfront before the massage what the extras are and how much. If she does extras I go for it on the spot and massage later. Generally the massage places that have pictures of the girls all do extras