Cameras

[jayjays]

Why do places have cameras?

1) is it to ensure staff are working?
2) is it to protect staff from crazys?
3) is it to ensure that noone (staff and customers) steals anything?
4) is it to match bookings to faces?
5) is it just for general surveillance?
6) how long do you think they keep footage for?

Just curious haha

[Massageloverbris]

Never have worried about it as everywhere we go are cameras these days

[RottenLittlePunt]

Answer is all of the above. The fact you're asking makes me think you're new to the scene and don't realise the number of fuckwits out there.

The number of people I am aware of that have been caught on camera after/during the following;
breaking into shop after hours
jerking off in reception area
hitting MLs
attempted rape
leaving the shop without tipping as promised
cancelling the EFT after pretending to send money directly to an MLs bank account
leaving the shop without his pants on because he didn't want to pay the tip

and those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. In many of those cases the police got involved and CCTV was provided to them. So next time you think about making a dick move at a shop, remember that they have your mobile number and you're on CCTV.

[HST]

There are arseholes out there who think they can get away with this shit because they reckon the shop or the girl won't make a complaint. Unfortunately sometimes they're right, some shop owners don't want to get the police involved and tell the girl to just forget about it. Good on the shop owners who do take it further.

[ecchi.gaijin]

Even if the owners don't go to the cops they usually share customers details and photos with other owners to warn them. Like the accountant who stole the EFTPOS machine from a shop in Ascot or the guys who tried to blackmail girls into giving them free extras.

If you think your identity and secrets are safe because the shops are in this industry, you're dumber than we thought.

[jayjays]

Wow. Didn't realise how many nutcases were out there

[jimmyp]

leaving the shop without tipping as promised

cancelling the EFT after pretending to send money directly to an MLs bank account

leaving the shop without his pants on because he didn't want to pay the tip



There is a legal precedent in QLD where payment equals consent.

If you don't pay, consent is withdrawn, and you can be charged with rape.

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[The Professor]

So many bush lawyers, so much BS.
A few points for the uneducated....
Under Qld law if you are owed money for a service it is an offence to "threaten, harass or physically intimidate the debtor".
I'm not sure where this idea of non payment = consent = rape comes from. Once again punters should know if anybody consents to sex and then changes their minds you can be charged with a criminal offence. Payment or non payment has nothing to do with it.
Why don't we hear of the so called " many cases where the police got involved and CCTV was provided to them.'? In my experience unless there is GBH or wounding or criminal damage owners will not get LE involvement. They would rather protect their investment than draw attention to their "activities".
More so they are more likely to share intel on the perps to safeguard their industry. Not sure today but in the pre Fitzg period "visits" were sometimes arranged. Warren's dog wasn't just for patting.

I am definitely not condoning nor supporting the "fuckwits / arseholes / nutcases " out there that do these activities but before ppl start citing the Criminal Code get your facts straight.
Puff Puff Prof

[adahar]

https://www.oic.qld.gov.au/guidelines/for-government/guidelines-privacy-principles/collection/camera-surveillance-and-privacy

[RottenLittlePunt]

So many bush lawyers, so much BS.
A few points for the uneducated....
Under Qld law if you are owed money for a service it is an offence to "threaten, harass or physically intimidate the debtor".
I'm not sure where this idea of non payment = consent = rape comes from. Once again punters should know if anybody consents to sex and then changes their minds you can be charged with a criminal offence. Payment or non payment has nothing to do with it.
Why don't we hear of the so called " many cases where the police got involved and CCTV was provided to them.'? In my experience unless there is GBH or wounding or criminal damage owners will not get LE involvement. They would rather protect their investment than draw attention to their "activities".
More so they are more likely to share intel on the perps to safeguard their industry. Not sure today but in the pre Fitzg period "visits" were sometimes arranged. Warren's dog wasn't just for patting.

I am definitely not condoning nor supporting the "fuckwits / arseholes / nutcases " out there that do these activities but before ppl start citing the Criminal Code get your facts straight.
Puff Puff Prof

http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/cc189994/s348.html

"a person’s consent to an act is not freely and voluntarily given if it is obtained—

by false and fraudulent representations about the nature or purpose of the act; or"

You were saying about bush lawyers and BS?

[The Professor]

Please explain how your reference to Section 348 of the Criminal Code contradicts anything I have said.

[Finkamymain]

Answer is all of the above. The fact you're asking makes me think you're new to the scene and don't realise the number of fuckwits out there.

The number of people I am aware of that have been caught on camera after/during the following;
breaking into shop after hours
jerking off in reception area
hitting MLs
attempted rape
leaving the shop without tipping as promised
cancelling the EFT after pretending to send money directly to an MLs bank account
leaving the shop without his pants on because he didn't want to pay the tip

and those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. In many of those cases the police got involved and CCTV was provided to them. So next time you think about making a dick move at a shop, remember that they have your mobile number and you're on CCTV.Fuck me dead how horny do you have to be to do ANY of these [emoji1748] I guess porn isnt enough for then these days.

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[ecchi.gaijin]

Please explain how your reference to Section 348 of the Criminal Code contradicts anything I have said.

"I'm not sure where this idea of non payment = consent = rape comes from."

""a person’s consent to an act is not freely and voluntarily given if it is obtained—

by false and fraudulent representations (promise to pay) about the nature or purpose of the act; or"

and you call yourself a professor? .....

[spaceman]

The cameras are more for the owners of mult

[spaceman]

Multiple shops keeping an eye on the girls counting how many going throught
Haven't you noticed where the owner works at the shop there is no camera, s
Some are it to link faces to phone numbers

One of the girls was.left on her own in a shop at green slopes
One night , the customer chase her around the room for hours trying to rape her from 730 to 1030 until a other punter came in and when she heard the door open screamed out
Went to the owner next day wanted to go to the police
Owner was not going to let that happen , gave a bull shut story to the girl cameras don't work

[The Professor]

lol obviously many don't know how to read the CC.
Suggest you read here, in full, then you might have a better understanding.

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/pdf/inforce/current/act-1899-009

My aim is to give accurate and factual information to others so they may learn and be informed and protected.
And no I don't know everything.

and no I just don't call myself a Professor.


Puff Puff Professor

[ecchi.gaijin]

Obviously YOU just don't know how to read.

If you're anything other than a self proclaimed professor, they need to take back any imaginary qualification you have.

[jimmyp]

Apologies, it wasn't QLD where no payment is rape, but ACT.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-06/man-jailed-for-rape-after-tricking-sex-worker/6075496

There have been cases in QLD where fraud charges have been laid, and there are calls to use the ACT law here in QLD

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[adahar]

Apologies, it wasn't QLD where no payment is rape, but ACT.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-06/man-jailed-for-rape-after-tricking-sex-worker/6075496

There have been cases in QLD where fraud charges have been laid, and there are calls to use the ACT law here in QLD

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The link for the text of the actual determination rather than the article quoted follows. Points 11 through 15 are the most interesting as the defence of fraud as opposed to withdrawn consent is denied.

http://client2.matrix01.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/943439/livas1.pdf

Mind you, this bloke was a complete grub anyway, as the following article reveals. (I am assuming it's the same person, the timelines fit!).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-08/canberra-truck-driver-with-sleep-apnoea-sentenced-to-jail/12228490

[ecchi.gaijin]

I will spell it out one more time for those who want to talk about others not being able to read etc, when in fact it's their illiteracy that is the problem.


"I'm not sure where this idea of non payment = consent = rape comes from."

Consent as per the criminal code must be given freely and voluntarily. It then goes on to say that consent is NOT given freely and voluntarily when

""a person’s consent to an act is not freely and voluntarily given if it is obtained—

by false and fraudulent representations about the nature or purpose of the act; or"

Saying you are going to pay someone in order to have sex, then not paying them IS fraudulent misrepresentation. The fact they get charged with fraud confirms that. There are numerous papers, including some by the CCC, referring to the matter of whether charges should also be laid for rape.

Now if you can't understand that, should I use smaller words for you?

[spaceman]

Yes that's what the law states
Unfortunately the police treat it as a civil matter
Will tell the iML to go too Q!CAT

[ecchi.gaijin]

Charges are laid based on a number of factors
evidence
public opinion
likelihood of a conviction

The lesser charge of fraud is a much easier conviction. But recent media attention given to the laws of consent will definitely influence the courts if more cases arise.

[The Professor]

Last comments:
If for some dire reason you are the defendent in a trial of the charge of rape or sexual assault, just testify that you honestly and reasonably, but mistakenly, believed that the complainant was consenting.
Under Qld law you cannot be held criminally responsible. If you see point 2, then your chances of a conviction are extremely low.

As Spaceman rightly points in a civil trial the standard of proof is "balance of probabilities" whereas in criminal trials the standard of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt".

In the context of this forum and our activities I highly doubt there would be any police involvement (as I previously stated).

To show the ignorance of some people on this forum -"But recent media attention given to the laws of consent will definitely influence the courts if more cases arise." Who makes the laws, not the courts??? Who interprets the laws and directs the jury? If media attention ever influences the legal process or judges we should all give up.

As I said and I stand by my original statement so many bush lawyers so much BS.

If you want to disagree show me the proof - don't just talk through one of your orifices.
End of my contribution.

Puff Puff Prof

[Trapper]

leaving the shop without his pants on because he didn't want to pay the tip


Am i the only one asking how this one makes any sense in anyones head as an option?

[4FoW2]

I'm no lawyer and I don't want to get involved with this debate but what it does show is the wide range of intelligence of posters on this forum. I imagine its pretty obvious to many where certain posters come on this scale.

I'd really like to hear about the stories of guys jerking off in the reception area, leaving the shop without you pants, some guy chasing a girl for 3 hours trying to rape her and the many cases where Police got involved and CCTV was provided for them.
I'm sure it would make some entertaining reading.

[ecchi.gaijin]

Last comments:
If for some dire reason you are the defendent in a trial of the charge of rape or sexual assault, just testify that you honestly and reasonably, but mistakenly, believed that the complainant was consenting.
Under Qld law you cannot be held criminally responsible. If you see point 2, then your chances of a conviction are extremely low.

As Spaceman rightly points in a civil trial the standard of proof is "balance of probabilities" whereas in criminal trials the standard of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt".

In the context of this forum and our activities I highly doubt there would be any police involvement (as I previously stated).

To show the ignorance of some people on this forum -"But recent media attention given to the laws of consent will definitely influence the courts if more cases arise." Who makes the laws, not the courts??? Who interprets the laws and directs the jury? If media attention ever influences the legal process or judges we should all give up.

As I said and I stand by my original statement so many bush lawyers so much BS.

If you want to disagree show me the proof - don't just talk through one of your orifices.
End of my contribution.

Puff Puff Prof

The level of your contribution ended before it started. If you are can get convicted for fraud, you can't plead that you thought she had consented. The fraud ITSELF is what revokes any claims of consent. It is amazing that someone who holds himself out to be so smart, can be THIS dense. I can only assume that in your simplistic mind you think of consent in the context of a typical pleb rather than what the law actually says. Which of course confirms that you're just been talking out of you ass rather than having read what the act says. What more proof do you need aside the the actual act being quoted to you 3 times now?

LRC review of the issue of consent relating to matters of fact, such as not paying a sex worker.

https://www.qlrc.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/636554/qlrc-wp78.pdf

Page 36

"[145] It is arguable that such a situation falls under the existing circumstance
where false and fraudulent representations on the part of the other person negate
consent.149"

But hey, what would actual lawyers know compared to some moron calling himself Professor on the internet?
What are you even a professor in, the act of talking utter garbage?

[asgard]

Why do places have cameras?

1) is it to ensure staff are working?
2) is it to protect staff from crazys?
3) is it to ensure that noone (staff and customers) steals anything?
4) is it to match bookings to faces?
5) is it just for general surveillance?
6) how long do you think they keep footage for?

Just curious haha

All of the above.
I have seen alot of surveillance footage from shops and if the cops did see them there would be alot of sexual assualt charges. Most of tge times the idiots dont even see them. More times than not they have been used from idiots trying to rob the shops or break ins after hours.

The footage generally last about 3 to 4 days if they are recording 24/7 without cloud back up. For a HD 1080p cameras they will roughly record 4gig per hour per camera.

[spaceman]

That's only a small set up 3/4 days
Mine runs high res full hd Vidio 24 hours on a 90 day loop / any movements send it. To my phone and all of it is backed up to the cloud
And 150 ft night vision
And the 5 house that back on to me have there cameras facing me
The funny thing was I had triple HHH stalking me a few weeks back for 8 days
I just enorged him
The others weren't happy when I told who and why you where there and you done 6 years time
You stood out bad

[BrisbanePunter]

The funny thing was I had triple HHH stalking me a few weeks back for 8 days


Nice to see that HHH's last post was 2 July.

[cjh]

Nice to see that HHH's last post was 2 July.

Are they back inside?

[Batting100]

Nice to see that HHH's last post was 2 July.

And funny how that other fuckwad who swore ball and he wasn’t him but was the only one backing him up has mysteriously disappeared at the same time....