QR Codes

[Bunningsnag]

Once everything is opened up I’m guessing we will need to use QR scan on our Service NSW app to log into establishments. Looking at the QR code history there doesn’t seem any way to delete history. Is this the case and isn’t that worrying to punters ?

[GoldfishMan]

Once everything is opened up I’m guessing we will need to use QR scan on our Service NSW app to log into establishments. Looking at the QR code history there doesn’t seem any way to delete history. Is this the case and isn’t that worrying to punters ?
It does make punting harder to conceal. Is it worrying... Depends a lot on your situation. I suppose for people with Hitleresque partners that check everything they do/use/have, this will be a game ending change for them.
I'm personally not in that situation... Second time around I chose my partner carefully and stayed away from those types. I look forward to punting again.

[aussiegaigin]

The QR history stays visible for 28 days.

Hopefully establishments will use obscure trading names, rather than descriptions. At least addresses don't show in history.

[rooter]

The NSW app has a pin to log in.
Obviously you should not give your pin to anyone.

[Climax598]

The only concern for me with QR code is if the shop have infection you get a call then you are finished if you have a partner. A written form would be good.

[Vader]

The only concern for me with QR code is if the shop have infection you get a call then you are finished if you have a partner. A written form would be good.

All log ins must be by the QR code. There will be nothing written. For those that say they don't have a phone the only other accepted log in is a QR card which you can get from Service NSW. However no good getting that until they have worked out how they are going to attach the vaccination certificate to it. NSW Gov is working with the Feds to link the Medicare Vaccine Cert to the NSW QR code log in.

[aussiegaigin]

My understanding is that:
1) QR cards will be holder specific, perhaps linked to a driver licence or ID card.
2) Establishments will have a QR card reader to scan your card and it would probably bring up your photo (and thus your linked vax status, if the ever happens.

Vax certificates are part of your medicare record, and AFIK your Service NSW account does not have details of that.

[adahar]

All log ins must be by the QR code. There will be nothing written. For those that say they don't have a phone the only other accepted log in is a QR card which you can get from Service NSW. However no good getting that until they have worked out how they are going to attach the vaccination certificate to it. NSW Gov is working with the Feds to link the Medicare Vaccine Cert to the NSW QR code log in.

Not as far as I can see, if you have a later PHO I'd be interested in seeing the link.

This is the PHO of 28/8 which is still in force. https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/file/Public%20Health%20(COVID-19%20Safety)%20Order%202021.pdf

Refer page 6, clause 15 and page 7, clause 16.

"(a) keep, for at least 4 weeks, a record of the contact details in a way that ensures the record is readily accessible and in an appropriate form to provide to the Chief Health Officer under paragraph (b), and
(b) on request, provide the record, in electronic form, to the Chief Health Officer as soon as practicable, but no later than 4 hours, after the request is made, and....."

This clearly provides for an offline record to be kept. How they keep that record is up to them but it must be provided, if requested in electronic form. Maybe a Word document, spreadsheet, scan of a log, who knows.

It's all moot anyway as contact tracing for this class of business is unlikely to be followed up, they just don't have the time or resources.

[Climax598]

All log ins must be by the QR code. There will be nothing written. For those that say they don't have a phone the only other accepted log in is a QR card which you can get from Service NSW. However no good getting that until they have worked out how they are going to attach the vaccination certificate to it. NSW Gov is working with the Feds to link the Medicare Vaccine Cert to the NSW QR code log in.
If this going to happen then ML/WL shops will be in trouble. More than half of business customers is gone. At the moment you still can do written form at supermarket.

[adahar]

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[Climax598]

My understanding is that:
1) QR cards will be holder specific, perhaps linked to a driver licence or ID card.
2) Establishments will have a QR card reader to scan your card and it would probably bring up your photo (and thus your linked vax status, if the ever happens.

Vax certificates are part of your medicare record, and AFIK your Service NSW account does not have details of that.
Here comes the Australian ID if people remember that the government want in the 80s. This is even worse you get scan everything you do.

[CountryPunter]

In 6 months or so after the end of lockdowns and when a degree of normality returns will the health authorities even bother following up new infections.

With at least 80% of the population vaccinated the risk to the general community should be reduced.

I wonder what the point of check ins will even be then.

[dwx]

My understanding is that:
1) QR cards will be holder specific, perhaps linked to a driver licence or ID card.
2) Establishments will have a QR card reader to scan your card and it would probably bring up your photo (and thus your linked vax status, if the ever happens.

Vax certificates are part of your medicare record, and AFIK your Service NSW account does not have details of that.

It appears your data gets upload to NSW gov :surprise:

As I have received text messages to say I have been to a site on concern,
Both these site were closed for cleaning, so NSW Health knew I was there because I QR checked in.
And about 5 days later, each time I got a text messaged telling me to get tested and isolate till negative

Beware GOVERNMENT is logging you.

[rooter]

I just get texts from Craig Kelly and his owner Clive Palmer. What a pair of cunts!

[alc]

If you want to get the best of both worlds - contact trace and keep it off your phone it's technically possible. You don't need any deep technical knowledge but you will need to accept some inconvenience...

You can sign up for a SMS forwarding service at Twilio. That way you get a number and you can configure it to forward SMSs to your actual number. It will cost you monthly but hey, so does punting. You can also probably just ask their support team to configure the forwarding for you.

Now, when you scan the QR code, use WeChat and it will open a WeChat browser. Fill in your details but put in the Twilio number. You'll get a confirmation SMS and the QR scan will work. If someone gets covid then the twilio number will get contacted and you can figure out what you want to do from that point onwards.

I'm not sure if you use your real number on the web form if it will link to your app or not.

Anyway, that follows the spirit of contact tracing and keeps it off your service NSW app. Let's stop complaining and get on with our lives :).

[Ziggurat]

I just get texts from Craig Kelly and his owner Clive Palmer.

In the extensive political /social and business circles they move in they are going to be exposed to the virus sooner rather than later. Both are obese, both over 60, both unvaccinated. There is greater than one in ten chance they are going to be rooted. Even if not, they are in for a very rough time.

[Vader]

My understanding is that:
1) QR cards will be holder specific, perhaps linked to a driver licence or ID card.
2) Establishments will have a QR card reader to scan your card and it would probably bring up your photo (and thus your linked vax status, if the ever happens.

Vax certificates are part of your medicare record, and AFIK your Service NSW account does not have details of that.

NSW Gov is working at the moment with the Feds to attach your medicare Cert to the NSW QR app. it will have a hologram imbedded to prevent fraud.

[adahar]

Here comes the Australian ID if people remember that the government want in the 80s. This is even worse you get scan everything you do.

I remember this, Bob Hawkes idea I think. Morrison introduced the "No Jab, No Pay" policy to withhold family tax benefits unless the children were vaccinated. This remains to this day, so this bloke has got form.

[adahar]

If you want to get the best of both worlds - contact trace and keep it off your phone it's technically possible. You don't need any deep technical knowledge but you will need to accept some inconvenience...

You can sign up for a SMS forwarding service at Twilio. That way you get a number and you can configure it to forward SMSs to your actual number. It will cost you monthly but hey, so does punting. You can also probably just ask their support team to configure the forwarding for you.

Now, when you scan the QR code, use WeChat and it will open a WeChat browser. Fill in your details but put in the Twilio number. You'll get a confirmation SMS and the QR scan will work. If someone gets covid then the twilio number will get contacted and you can figure out what you want to do from that point onwards.

I'm not sure if you use your real number on the web form if it will link to your app or not.

Anyway, that follows the spirit of contact tracing and keeps it off your service NSW app. Let's stop complaining and get on with our lives :).

I don't know the answer to this but I believe you can use a landline number on the webform because it tells you to use an area code if it's an interstate number. A new mobile number requires a confirmation code so I'm not sure how a landline number is checked, maybe it isn't, too few to worry about.

[kamo]

I’ll show my vaccination status on the phone (with my thumb over my name) but I’d walk if there was no option to sign in with pen and paper.

I’m not doing traceable QR codes for punting, which has significant real world consequences.

[CountryPunter]

For the punters not willing to use the QR code check in it seems they will have to find other options.

1. Find venues that don’t have QR check in. Probably going to be unlicensed and at risk of being raided. Also unknown quality.

2. Visit privates and run the bait and switch gauntlet. Or pay big dollars. It’s possible that the higher quality Scarlet Blue type girls may even use QR codes. Don’t know about that. Depends how much scrutiny is on this industry.

3. Find a girlfriend and take the risks associated with that if the punter is already in a relationship.

4. Permanent booking with Mrs Palmer.

Take your choice guys.

[Fred Flintstone]

Most Asian shops are quite flexible regarding QR code requirements. The owner is not going to turn away a customer if they don’t want to scan

[rooter]

Most Asian shops are quite flexible regarding QR code requirements. The owner is not going to turn away a customer if they don’t want to scan

I think they will be the same as any other business.
Some businesses and some individual staff members are more diligent than others.
I have had security, bar staff, waiters, check-out chicks etc who want to see my QR tick, others who just ask if I have checked in and take my word for it that I have, some that ask you to check in but don't then follow it up, and others who don't do anything at all.

[tpol]

Don't worry guys

I don't think they'll enforce it until maybe the shop closes down twice from exposure and that's probably unlikely cos the ppl won't mention they went punting thrre but say they caught it Somewhere else


So all that will happen is the girls get sick ,the punters get sick but the shop remains open


Until tthey do data mining and say how come none checks into this shop then the issue will arise

And if they do that and eventually link to the ato, they can say how come u have so much foot traffic but never pay tax

[GoldfishMan]

In the Gov website for QR code check-in requirements, it says:
"You can provide your contact details directly to the occupier of the premises if you cannot check-in electronically or it would be unsafe to check in electronically (for example, due to work health and safety requirements at the premises)."

You can say it is unsafe for you to do QR code check-in because your wife will kill you if she sees you checked-in to a brothel. 😂😂

[tpol]

In the Gov website for QR code check-in requirements, it says:
"You can provide your contact details directly to the occupier of the premises if you cannot check-in electronically or it would be unsafe to check in electronically (for example, due to work health and safety requirements at the premises)."

You can say it is unsafe for you to do QR code check-in because your wife will kill you if she sees you checked-in to a brothel. 😂😂

Nice. Lol...........

[cumquat]

WA police, Have twice tried to gain access to QR information, to assist with general policing business. They’ve done this without a warrant.

Clearly there is good place for concern.

However, checking in to a massage shop, or brothel, should not really course anybody concern

[tpol]

Especially because it's legal

[Vader]

I’ll show my vaccination status on the phone (with my thumb over my name) but I’d walk if there was no option to sign in with pen and paper.

I’m not doing traceable QR codes for punting, which has significant real world consequences.

All log ins must be by the QR code. There will be nothing written. For those that say they don't have a phone the only other accepted log in is a QR card which you can get from Service NSW. However no good getting that until they have worked out how they are going to attach the vaccination certificate to it. NSW Gov is working with the Feds to link the Medicare Vaccine Cert to the NSW QR code log in.

That was from Victor Dominello yesterday

[DayMan69]

WA police, Have twice tried to gain access to QR information, to assist with general policing business. They’ve done this without a warrant.

Clearly there is good place for concern.

However, checking in to a massage shop, or brothel, should not really course anybody concern

Hmmm. Let me run that past my wife.

Yep. As i thought. There's a tiny little issue with that idea. Has anyone got some gaffer tape and a needle and thread i can borrow?