Can't Cum

[gimmesome]

Hello Brothers. This is partially a vent and partially a call for help. As the title states, I've recently started trying to see ML and WL but I haven't had a "successful" time :cry:

Me:
So to firstly to give some context on myself. I'm a young healthy guy mid-late 20s but most people say I look younger (early 20s) likely because I'm relatively short and my skin is pretty good probably due to not being out in the sun very much. People often say I look Korean including Koreans and other Asians but I'm something else. I was born and grew up in Australia however so I can only pretty much speak English. Not overweight, light athletic build, don't currently do much sports though but never had issues with weight or fitness. Was somewhat popular with girls in high school but I think once it became clear I was always going to be shorter than the other guys I think interest dropped off a bit but that's my own feeling; I'm 172cm (5'6'') but most of my mates are >180cm (>6ft). I'd give myself a 7/10 but that's my own not particularly informed hetro opinion. Also definitely an introverted and reserved person. Anyway, I'm not here to sell myself just give a bit more context.

Failing Dating:
I've never had a girlfriend. I think I've definitely had some opportunities with mutually interested girls but didn't go through with them at the time and now those girls are long gone. If you'd ask me my reasons were extremely overbearing mother, a desire to put studies and career first, and if I'm being honest I was scared of getting into a relationship and making myself emotionally vulnerable. Not that I didn't want a girlfriend but maybe I kept making excuses for myself.

After high school I went to a study and a career path with near zero females. I'm talking >95% sausage fest in my experience. So pretty much no "organic" interaction, certainly not much choice and very much a "competitive" market. I did sports which was an alright way so get "organic" interactions but more recently due to a pretty intense working life (>50hrs/wk) I find I'm lacking the energy or the time to commit to sports. I'm the type to completely throw myself at things and get competitive, only being able to play sports casually is a bit depressing so I'm just not playing at all now. Also for work, I've moved to a different city (Sydney) where I know pretty much no one and don't have any real social circle. I have one good friend from high school but he's tied up with a missus so not much socialising there unless I just wanna third wheel all day.

Being that I can't get much exposure to girls "naturally", I've tried turning to dating apps as a way to meet girls and try get dates. As you might expect, I haven't had any success despite trying on and off for >6 months and (on-off for years before). I do get matches but it usually ends up no response, getting ghosted or to be honest I ghost them or otherwise can't really carry on the conversation. I am yet to have any in-person meeting as a result of dating app matches. So far I've tried Tinder, Bumble, Coffee meets Bagel and Boo (probably the most useless one for trying to meet people physically). I have noticed that pretty much 100% of my matches are (east) Asian girls of some sort.

Masturbating (too much?)
So I don't think I have "impotence" issues. Likely to be honest, if anything I might have problems with masturbating too much. I'd consider myself a healthy young guy so I get itches despite never having a girl friend, perhaps more so than average? Since I started in my pre-teens I've wanked nearly everyday (circumstances permitting) often multiple times a day and sometime multiple times in a row (but with a few days break after). I've never had issues reaching success or maintaining an erection even for >1hr (recent record is >3hr) with my hand and some video material or even just my own imagination. So my lack of performance (or enjoyment) when seeing WLs or MLs was been surprising to me. I thought I've have trouble keeping it in the full time not have trouble keeping it up.

In the interest of being open and honest in the hope of getting open and honest advice, I'll confess. Most of what I wank to is Hentai (Japanese Pornographic Cartoons). Not that I don't find real women appealing at all but I just have a much easier time finding good quality material that at least I enjoy in the form of Hentai rather than AVs. I note I generally find JAVs more simulating then "mainstream" content despite the censorship. I also use onaholes (fleshlights) more recently. This could potentially be contributing to my issues I guess?

Have been on SSRIs before, that made it hard to wank but been off for years and again, not trouble when it comes to just wanking.

Getting "Professional" Help:
So getting to the present day: no GF, still virgin, and not wanting to waste my remaining "youth". No success trying to get with a girl let alone land a date. I can't remember what triggered it but I realised Sydney is one of the few places where professional help is not only legal but apparently of relatively good quality. I also for the first some had a decent amount of spare cash (and no GF or other hobbies to spend it on) so I decided to pull the trigger. I spent the past month lurking on these forums, learning, researching and trying to find a good place for my first time. Maybe a bit idealistic or misguided but I thought I could have a better experience and a cleaner experience if it was an Asians only girl (why not? feels more exclusive too but none of them have been Asian only AFAIK so far) and if it was private apartment rather than a bordello on the street e.g. Ginza.

So I contacted two agencies and booked a girl on the weekend and went to the apartment. I stumbled through the process a bit and did the thing but I found the experience surprisingly... not pleasurable. Ended up running out of time and leaving without finishing. Needless to say, a pretty disappointing experience.

I tried again, this time with a well regarded RnT. Girl was recommended by mamasan for top quality massage. Again, the whole ordeal was fairly un pleasurable and not particularly erotic feeling, despite receiving some special treatment from the girl that isn't normally offered. I remember another user here mentioning they always had to finish themselves by hand and another reply it was likely "death grip syndrome" from wanking too much too hard so I think that's the mostly likely issue right now.

Both times I felt like it was a bit lacking physical stimulation and both times when I asked them to do it harder they were surprised to was too much and would hurt me.

I might make some detailed posts later on both experiences as well as any subsequent experiences but not as reviews naming people since I feel it might be bad press due a problem that is maybe more my own fault than the girl's.

Remedy Plan
So "death grip syndrome" seems to fit what I'm experiencing. Could also a variety of other issues though: stress, nervousness, anxiety or depression. I plan to try abstaining for at least 2 weeks then give it another go and post my results.

If you actually read all that then thanks for listening to my sook story. Would welcome any similar experiences, advice, recommendations or pity. Cheers.

TL;DR
Can't seem to enjoy the services of a WL or ML. Probably wank too much too hard. Advice and recommendations appreciated.

[vt4444]

Have you try the opposite sex you whether you got turn on or not? May be you are not aware of your inner self. :)

[Meng]

A few things. A lot of it comes down to nerves. If you're a virgin then for the most part you're nervous. You either can't get it up or can't cum. If you can't cum then I would suggest not masturbating for a week or two. The sensitivity will eventually return.

You could also be nervous. I mean you have to be aroused to cum. If you're pounding away and thinking about tax returns then no amount of pounding will get you to cum.

Change your mindset understand that it's a service. You don't have to be a Chad in bed with these girls. In fact all those ARs where the dude said they made the girl cum. It's probably not so.

[00Eibwen]

I have a similar situation with you.

I tried a couple of place and they didn't finished me until recently.

An ML finally finished me for the first time. Try darlinghurst massage for Ella.

Good luck.

[PKING2]

I've been there as well bro. Agree like bro Meng said, avoid masturbation and porn for week or two, it will help reset your sensitivity.

Don't thinking about can't cum when have sex, just think about the moment.

If you could not finish 1 hour. Try 2 hours, with a girl that has good recommendation from brothers here. The one that has more GFE service but wild and horny. Sometime if you not feel connection with the girl, it make you hard to cum as well. And you need the one that horny as well to keep up with your condition.

Tell the girl to go easy with lube, this one important. Some wls use too much lube, and when finally the friction make them wet, it will be to much and you cannot feel the sensation.

It might be not a instant fix, but keep "training" (punting lol), and soon or later you will find yourself more relax, and enjoy the session, and you can cum within 1 hour.

Hope this tips can help you

[FatStache]

Hey mate, you should get professional help, not just "professional" help.

I'm older than you and have a very similar history. I had issues even getting hard with real women. What arouses you and makes you cum has been informed by porn, and ingrained with every repetition. Porn does not mimic reality. Expecting a WL to meet the standard of a 2D girl is pointless.

Also, popping your punting cherry is usually an awkward/uncomfortable experience as far as I know.

When you can, send me a PM and I can give you some suggestions.

[Meng]

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Me:
So to firstly to give some context on myself. I'm a young healthy guy mid-late 20s but most people say I look younger (early 20s) likely because I'm relatively short and my skin is pretty good probably due to not being out in the sun very much. People often say I look Korean including Koreans and other Asians but I'm something else. I was born and grew up in Australia however so I can only pretty much speak English. Not overweight, light athletic build, don't currently do much sports though but never had issues with weight or fitness. Was somewhat popular with girls in high school but I think once it became clear I was always going to be shorter than the other guys I think interest dropped off a bit but that's my own feeling; I'm 172cm (5'6'') but most of my mates are >180cm (>6ft). I'd give myself a 7/10 but that's my own not particularly informed hetro opinion. Also definitely an introverted and reserved person. Anyway, I'm not here to sell myself just give a bit more context.

Failing Dating:
I've never had a girlfriend. I think I've definitely had some opportunities with mutually interested girls but didn't go through with them at the time and now those girls are long gone. If you'd ask me my reasons were extremely overbearing mother, a desire to put studies and career first, and if I'm being honest I was scared of getting into a relationship and making myself emotionally vulnerable. Not that I didn't want a girlfriend but maybe I kept making excuses for myself.


I also think you have some self esteem issues. Height is usually never the factor when it comes to dating. Yes there may be girls that prefer taller guys but certainly not all. Personality for the most part matters more. Also confidence. I have some mates shorter than you and they're able to pull the hottest ABGs I've seen.

Also you gotta up your dating app game. Girl's attention spans are short. Hit the gym more, get fit and make over yourself. You need self love before searching for love externally.

[FatStache]

I also think you have some self esteem issues. Height is usually never the factor when it comes to dating. Yes there may be girls that prefer taller guys but certainly not all. Personality for the most part matters more. Also confidence. I have some mates shorter than you and they're able to pull the hottest ABGs I've seen.

Also you gotta up your dating app game. Girl's attention spans are short. Hit the gym more, get fit and make over yourself. You need self love before searching for love externally.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Rogeryou]

Mate reduce wanking and focus on your self as opposed to the girl especially with ML WL”s You don’t need to perform for them they need to perform for you, you are the one that is paying, take the pressure off.

[warwick1]

Hmmm, same writing style , "creative", as another person who started off as a poor bi-sexual looking for love, just an observation......All BS

[cplurt2]

Try an older wl. Less pressure and more experience

[B J Hunter]

Dude… whatever you do don’t ever get into a game of soggy sao.

[zakthekat]

To reduce your wanking grip, invest in fleshlights or similar. Some are pretty good and will help your sensitivity to go back to normal.

[BlackToad]

Bro, it’s most likely you’re nervous even if you don’t feel so. First time having sex and first time visiting a ML or WL you are bound to be nervous and that kills your cock.

I would abstain from wanking for a while as you have already mentioned. Find a ML you like and go back to her multiple times, you will feel less nervous as you get to know her. Talk and flirt with her too, have fun with her.

I say ML as I think will be much less pressure than a WL. Later on you can try a WL once you get over the initial nervous phase.

See if that works for you.

[GoldfishMan]

OP, do you remember your "mindset" when you were in those sessions with the WL and the ML? Did you feel aroused by them, feel the need to fuck them, or did you feel like "I'm paying for this, here I am, finish me"?

From my experience, what with you being a virgin and all, you will really need to feel aroused and attracted to the girl to be able to enjoy sex as you start out in your sex life.

Just ascertain what kind of girl you like physically and go for those attributes only. The aim is to get yourself physically in the mood, through physical attraction alone.

Forget about service levels, you can play with that as you get more experienced.

[Beo Beatha]

Just live in the moment, don't stress about cumming. Just enjoy how the moment feels to you. If it isn't feeling right for you, try something different that you think might feel better or turn you on. You're young and have plenty of time to experience it all. You'll be fine. Try all ages for ML partners and get a feel for what suits you. Some have a better client relationship than others so don't go putting pressure on yourself. Mind you some ML's get treated like shit so if you treat the lady right she'll appreciate you more

[gimmesome]

Thanks a lot brothers, for the words of wisdom and encouragement, it's really appreciated.

There seem to be some repeated points so I might not respond individually to every reply but I am reading it all.


Have you try the opposite sex you whether you got turn on or not? May be you are not aware of your inner self. :)
Haha, not 100% sure what you're saying but I've experimented and I'm pretty sure I'm a lover of pussy. Not that there's anything wrong with people that do but I don't feel anything from traps or trannies let alone men-men but I do have a thing for tomboys...

Getting Sensitivity Back
A lot of people have mentioned easing up on the wanking should help. I'll definitely try my best to give myself a reset before going for the next punt. Hopefully work is enough to distract me and my unsated horniness doesn't distract my work lol.

Nerves
A few people have mentioned nervousness is likely a factor. As much as I don't think I felt nervous it perhaps did play a role. If nothing else I was surprised by the lack of excitement of any kind be it nerves or horniness. If anything, I felt a sense of boredom and indifference. I've often found myself a lot calmer than others in situations that tend of make people nervous e.g. big matches, exams, public speaking and other big moments but maybe just that's my own sort of "nervousness", if nothing else it at least helps the people around me calm down a bit.

As people have said, hopefully with a bit more experience I can be more relaxed and "into it" then I can have a punt to remember.

Getting serviced


Change your mindset understand that it's a service. You don't have to be a Chad in bed with these girls. In fact all those ARs where the dude said they made the girl cum. It's probably not so. Thanks for the advice and words of wisdom Meng. I think you're right. I definitely went in with a fantasy that I could maybe be Chad and have an experience with mutual enthusiasm; who doesn't want to feel like a Chad right? Towards the mid to end of both sessions so far I felt like I was the least enthusiastic one though lol.

In retrospect, I might have a had a better time if I just took it easy and let the lady do her service.


I have a similar situation with you.

I tried a couple of place and they didn't finished me until recently.

An ML finally finished me for the first time. Try darlinghurst massage for Ella.

Good luck.Congrats to you and good to hear from someone with a similar issue Eibwen. Thanks for the rec too, I'll add it to the hit list.



Tell the girl to go easy with lube, this one important. Some wls use too much lube, and when finally the friction make them wet, it will be to much and you cannot feel the sensation.

It might be not a instant fix, but keep "training" (punting lol), and soon or later you will find yourself more relax, and enjoy the session, and you can cum within 1 hour.

Hope this tips can help you
Thanks for sympathy and advice PKING. I'll remember the tip with the lube though neither ladies have seemed to try using much it so far.


Hey mate, you should get professional help, not just "professional" help.
Cheers FatStache. Not 100% sure what sort of professional help you're referring to, suggesting I should try see a GP or a specialist of some sort?



What arouses you and makes you cum has been informed by porn, and ingrained with every repetition. Porn does not mimic reality. Expecting a WL to meet the standard of a 2D girl is pointless.

Aye. Well said. Here I am now making an effort to stop myself slipping any further down the 2D hole.


I also think you have some self esteem issues. Height is usually never the factor when it comes to dating. Yes there may be girls that prefer taller guys but certainly not all. Personality for the most part matters more. Also confidence. I have some mates shorter than you and they're able to pull the hottest ABGs I've seen.

Also you gotta up your dating app game. Girl's attention spans are short. Hit the gym more, get fit and make over yourself. You need self love before searching for love externally.
Thanks again Meng. Well noted.


Hmmm, same writing style , "creative", as another person who started off as a poor bi-sexual looking for love, just an observation......All BS
Ha, not sure why someone would want to BS about their inability to cum. I'm guess this is referring to some previous incident on this forum that I haven't been here long enough to have seen (anyone want to be bothered enlightening me?). I just want vent a bit and hopefully anyone else with similar issues gets some peace too.


Try an older wl. Less pressure and more experience
I might consider it (and I've sort of tried it). I think I'd appreciate the extra excitement from fucking a hot young bod though lol


Dude… whatever you do don’t ever get into a game of soggy sao.
Hahaha, good one. I had to look that one up. I remember some of the boys (maybe the majority even) in school doing cum cookies with each other and that wasn't even a punishment for anything, they were just doing it for the clout of having done it lmao. No idea what the logic was there, I decided I'd rather be uncool lol.



I say ML as I think will be much less pressure than a WL. Later on you can try a WL once you get over the initial nervous phase.

Thanks for the advice BlackToad. I've similarly been thinking it might be better to get some experience in with MLs first.


OP, do you remember your "mindset" when you were in those sessions with the WL and the ML? Did you feel aroused by them, feel the need to fuck them, or did you feel like "I'm paying for this, here I am, finish me"?.
Thanks for the sage advice GoldfishMan. I'll be sure to detail my mindset in my recounts. I'd say I went in with the hope I would have a good hot time, get off like never before and have something nice to remember and fantasise about. Once there I guess I wanted to feel like "I need to fuck this girl" but it turned into more "I'm feeling pretty bored and this feels like more of a chore than a hot experience".



From my experience, what with you being a virgin and all, you will really need to feel aroused and attracted to the girl to be able to enjoy sex as you start out in your sex life.

Just ascertain what kind of girl you like physically and go for those attributes only. The aim is to get yourself physically in the mood, through physical attraction alone.

Forget about service levels, you can play with that as you get more experienced.
I can feel what you mean. Any tips on finding something that you like what with roster photos often not showing the full picture or otherwise being doctored? See if I can get a house to give me a line up? Thanks again for the advice.


Just live in the moment, don't stress about cumming. Just enjoy how the moment feels to you. If it isn't feeling right for you, try something different that you think might feel better or turn you on. It would be worse if you'd already had a vasectomy, but you're young and have plenty of time to experience it all. You'll be fine. Try all ages for ML partners and get a feel for what suits you. Some have a better client relationship than others so don't go putting pressure on yourself. Mind you some ML's get treated like shit so if you treat the lady right she'll appreciate you more
Thanks for the advice and encouragement Beo Beatha. I guess I'm still trying find what it is that I like.

[The Sampler]

All of the above is great advice, but i'll give you something to put in the back pocket to consider if all fails. Literally.

Try a prostate massage and see if that will get you to climax, its a different sensation and orgasm type all together in my experience.
There are a few MLs who can do it quite good as well.

[gimmesome]

This will be a recount of my disappointing first punt. I'll be trying to avoid identifiable info, not really meant to be an AR, more of a journal. (Feel free to PM if you'd like to exchange some info though.)

1st Punt, Korean Model WL
This is the very recent story of my first punt and first time with something other than my hand or a chunk of plastic.

Prologue
As explained in my OP, I'd been lurking and doing my research for over a month and finally had a relatively free weekend coming. I decided this was an opportunity and I wanted to seize it rather than wait for my next chance who knows when. As explained before, I was looking more towards agencies rather than a bordello, my reasoning being that going to a private apartment felt more exciting and exclusive than somewhere public that sees a lot more traffic. Actual privates seemed a bit too risky, particularly with my lack of experience. I looked for Asian girls (and agencies) since in my own experience (mostly looking at girls on dating apps) I generally found Asian (or especially mixed girls) more attractive so better chance of liking what I got even in the event she wasn't as expected, plus I always seemed to get more interest in return. I also pass the dreaded "Asians Only" restriction (hooray!) so low risk of facing rejection which seems to be a thing with a few of the higher end Asian agencies?

I'd added the contacts of some agencies with girls I had interest in for some time but hadn't contacted them yet. That Friday night I messaged agency 1 for the first time. Said hello, said that I'm interested in getting something booked for tomorrow and got directed to website roster. I got told the main girl I'm interested in is on break (despite being on the roster). A bit of communication difficulty trying to ask about some other girls on the roster. This agency was not looking too great I message agency 2 but get a response saying they're done for the day. So I give up on trying to make further arrangements for the night.

Next day around midday I try messaging both agencies again to see if I can get a booking. Agency 1 not particularly responsive. Agency 2 is better though, unfortunately the girl I was eying had disappeared from the roster; I presume due to being booked out or having stopped (probably could have asked but didn't). So instead I settled with another girl from Agency 2 which was available and located relatively close by. Not 100% my type from the pictures but not bad either. I also confirmed this agency had the policy of only 1 shot included: anymore was an extra and only available with a longer session. Not being 100% sure of the girl but also expecting that I would cum early, I decided to go with a shorter session without extras to avoid blowing my cash. Even then it was not particularly cheap (>$350, 40 min). It was a bit late to make a same day booking so I made the booking for tomorrow midday. The agent also confirmed with me this was my first time using such a service.

Footnote, Rude mama/papa-san:
I note that some people have said they had issues with the mamasan/papasan of these agencies and felt a bit of anti-non-Asian sentiment? I contacted them via Line which has my profile pic so they could probably see that I was Asian and I identified myself explicitly to agency 1 but they still came off as a bit rude. However, I don't think the rudeness was intended but more just a language barrier thing plus the mama/papa-san being a bit casual. All the communication was in English and agency 1 seemed to rely on google translate but in both cases I think they were ultimately pretty helpful and patient. I asked a load of basic beginner questions but they answered all my questions and I had some banter with Agency 1's papasan. Again, feels to me more like a lack of English skills, a causal attitude and likely them mimicking the sort of English customers use with them. Ultimately though, just speculation on my part.

The session
Sunday comes, I'm out of bed late and didn't get much sleep the night before. Not so much because I was nervous (I think) but more because my sleep cycle is complete shit. I also fapped the day before twice; as I mentioned before I was more worried ending the session early than not being able to cum at all. Anyway, on the edge of running late, I jump out of bed get dressed and and rush out without eating brunch. I speed walk my way over in 20 min. I manage to arrive on time at the apartment lobby a little sweaty but not exhausted or out of breath. I'm feeling a little tired (from the lack of sleep) and not so much nervous but "driven" with my goal to fuck this girl and have a good time.

So going in, I'm mentally feeling good trying to not get my expectations up too high but looking forward a good fuck; though physically I'm probably not in the ideal state. I open the door to the apartment and see the girl for the first time. She looks pretty good!

7/10 body. Not super slim nor fit but still fairly slim and well shaped. Pretty tall but still shorter than me.
8/10 face. "Pretty" is how I would describe it. Definitely nice and above average but no so amazing as to make me fall in love.
-C cup I'm really more of an ass man but she has some nice boobs, not really experienced enough to make an accurate judgement on boob size but I'd say a smaller C cup? On the smaller side of medium IMO.
6/10 ass. Nothing wrong, but nothing particularly interesting. Good smooth texture, soft but not particularly big.
Mid-late 20s. I felt maybe she's the same age as me or slightly older.
Her English isn't great which made communicating things a bit difficult. She often said words in Korean and sometimes Mandarin, I guess she thought I might understand?

She immediately tries talking to me in Korean which I cannot at all understand but I quickly clear up the confusion and we make a bit of small talk in broken English (I've never really been big on small talk). I hand over the cash and we move to the bed room. I try to get her so sit on the bed with me because I want to feel her body up a bit first which she awkwardly lets me for a little bit but then stops and gets us up, both naked (seeing her naked for the first time was pretty exciting) then takes me to the shower. She gives me some mouth wash then puts me in the shower. She rubs my body with soap and gives me a pretty good soapy reach around which gets me really hard then gets me to rinse off and towel off then wait for her on the bed while she does her own shower. While waiting for her on the bed I went soft. I also note she had a bite mark on one boob and on her waist (??) maybe would explain why she's not too keen being too touchy feely.

When she comes in I want to try have some cuddly foreplay but she gets me to lay down and starts giving me a BBBJ. It feels alright though I can feel her teeth scraping my dick a bit, she seems to use tissues quite a bit to wipe off saliva and pre-cum. To my surprise, it really doesn't feel that simulating, particularly in terms of what I imagined a BBBJ would feel like. It feels kinda good but nothing like it's gonna make me cum, very "soft". So I lie there for maybe 5 minutes getting my dick sucked and really I start feeling kinda bored and not fully hard. Finally she stops and puts a condom on me and asks me "you want me top or bottom?"

I opt for being her being on the bottom in missionary. This is also my first chance to get a better look at her pussy. In my curiosity I have a bit of a play with it, fingering and stroking it a bit. She makes some sounds but I'm not particularly convinced of the authenticity. When it comes time for me to put it in, between stopping the not particularly stimulating BBBJ, putting on the condom, moving into position and getting distracted seeing a real pussy for the first time I've gone soft again so she get's me to lie back done while she give me a BBBJ to get me up again then puts on another condom before getting back into missionary.

I penetrate her and it feels pretty...meh. I'd describe it as sticking my dick in a warm wet towel with a condom on. It really wasn't that stimulating, I'd say bareback into an onahole feels 10x stronger by comparison. I'm pounding her in missionary while she makes small moans which again don't feel particularly real to me but hey I probably have a distorted expectation of reality from all the hentai/porn. Looking at her boobs jiggle, looking at her face, looking where I'm thrusting into her pussy, I don't feel particularly aroused, definitely not the same way I do with porn or even my own imagination. Pumping away for a couple minutes trying to change the pace doesn't really seem to change how I feel at all (also a bit worried about going too hard), not really feeling much emotionally or physically I start feeling the boredom creeping in again. So I ask to change position.

She gets on top and starts riding me. Again, I'm not really feeling much. She tries bouncing on top as well as grinding her hips into me but to me it all feels pretty weak. So I'm just lying there starting to feel a bit bored, thinking of options to get my rocks off better. I think she starts getting tired so gets off my now fairly flaccid dick and tries getting me off in other ways.

Back to hand job, then BBBJ again (teeth still included). None of it really does anything for me. She's starting to seems a bit desperate and confused about why I'm going soft how to get me off. I suggest to her a few things: sucking harder, squeezing harder (hard enough she surprised it isn't hurting me), different techniques but again, even though its bare HJ and BJ it feels kinda meh. We try pussy slide a bit then condom back on again and back to cow girl but it's all still pretty meh. We try doggy style which I thought I would like more being an ass man but still pretty meh. I look at her, I look at us in the mirror, but again I feel pretty meh and start getting bored.

I stop and let me take care of her again. Again she seems to be getting pretty confused and flustered as to why she can't get me off. More HJ and BBBJ but I'm even less excited now than before. I also try having her on top with me thrusting up into her but again it felt pretty meh. I think I would have liked it if I could feel her body pressed against mine while I hugged her and fucked her from underneath but she kept her body arched and away from me. Again, communication was a bit difficult.

I found the most exciting (or at least the most interesting) thing for me was using my hands to play with and explore her pussy lol. She put a condom on my finger and let me finger her while I jerked off. Ultimately though we ran out of time and I didn't cum. She helped me shower again then I got dressed and left. Total time ended up being over an hour, about 40% of the time inside her, 40% BJ and other outercourse, 20% shower and other stuff.

Epilogue:
So leaving the apartment and taking a walk in the park my feelings were mostly disappointment that I didn't achieve my goal of having a mind blowing fuck let alone not even cumming but also surprise that the experience was so boring? unstimulating?

I informed mama/papa-san of my experience for which I only blamed myself. They expressed their pity and asked if I had time for another punt that day and recommended some other girls with top notch service reviews and a discounted price. I was feeling like I needed some time to reflect and didn't want to go emptying out my wallet before I figured out what the problem was and how to solve it (I might see if I can still take up that discount offer at the later time though). I also felt a bit guilty that her lack of success with me might damage her self-confidence and her standing with mama/papa-san despite it not really being her fault but at the same time watching her desperately trying to get me off without success tickled a bit of a sadistic thread in me.

Reflecting on it, I came to some of the conclusions already mentioned here. Probably over stimulated, I had wanked twice the day before after all. I was probably tired and stressed from work and lack of sleep so I should take better care of myself before my next time. Things probably could have gone smoother if I just let her completely take the lead; particularly considering my inexperience. I probably would be better off getting some experience with MLs first which would be more of a passive experience and also do much cheaper.

I didn't mention it above but while I was fucking her, staring at her body and trying to get myself aroused, the memory of my mum popped into my head a bit :vomit:. That really cratered my libido but I mostly managed to push it out and continue. On reflection, that made me think I might have a better time with a non-Asian girl so I can avoid those obtrusive thoughts lol.

So after wanking that night (successfully, confirming the plumping still worked) I decided I'll abstain for a bit until I could get a booking with a ML and see what that experience is like... TBC

Again thanks for reading my yarn. I would greatly appreciate any tips, advice or just perspective from a more experienced punter on how it sounded like.

TL;DR
Girl seemed pretty good but I probably wasn't in a great physical state. Tried some different things but nothing really worked for me. My main feelings in the bedroom were a lack of stimulation/arousal and boredom.

[GoldfishMan]

A couple of things you could’ve done better there, bro OP. For one thing, quit with the wanking for a while especially at least 2 days before the punt. Be the king of your castle, stay thy hand. Think of your dick like it’s a hungry Python. Once you’ve fed it, it’ll go to sleep. Simple no?

Secondly, you were ogling at one girl, found out that she was off, then made an on-the-fly decision to pick another as a replacement. No bro, that’s a recipe for disaster. Even if the girl was hot, at the back of your mind you’ll be kicking yourself for missing out on the other girl. You will be moping about “this is not my choice!”. Do not force yourself to pick another, go back to the drawing board if you have to. It’ll only add to your orgasm when you have it.

[FatStache]

To second Goldfish man, absence makes the heart grow fonder and the dick grow stronger.

I can almost guarantee you felt bored and lost your boner partly due to your porn use. The other part was probably nerves and unmet expectations. Your thoughts on the blowjob and pussy are normal when you're new to sex. Think of it like alcohol: the first few times you try it, you don't get what the fuss is about; after a while though, you acquire the taste and there's no turning back.

[PKING2]

To second Goldfish man, absence makes the heart grow fonder and the dick grow stronger.

I can almost guarantee you felt bored and lost your boner partly due to your porn use. The other part was probably nerves and unmet expectations. Your thoughts on the blowjob and pussy are normal when you're new to sex. Think of it like alcohol: the first few times you try it, you don't get what the fuss is about; after a while though, you acquire the taste and there's no turning back.

Yeah I agree with that.
When I read his story, remind me my first punt years ago.

Not enough sleep and can't get hard enough while inside the wl, and end up not finnish. And feels meh, but as I keep going. It become more enjoyable,and now become addictition. Lol

@op
Like I said before, don't feels down, plenty of the bros here had been there before.
Maybe you need to have longer session.
Or maybe you need some new experience , like after you pounding and feels your knee hurst or tired, try pulled of and ask for cim, and you wanking your self until you almost blow the load and tell her almost the time and ask her to bj you. Maybe with the new sensation like this you have something to chase as a target. But in time for hopefully you can get the deed done under 1 hour.

But same suggestion, abstain from wanking and porn. If you want jerk off, use a lot of lube and do it slow, because in reality vagina muscle and mouth muscle cannot keep to hand muscle. You need to adjust your body back to normal.

Good luck

[CharlieM]

I'm sorry to tell you this Gimmesome but I really think you should get a massage from a male. Maybe tell the massage dude straight up what's been happening...if you get the guts to get to part 2 and you cum...then maybe pussy isn't for you.
Don't mean to be harsh but it sounds unusual to me that a healthy young guy can't cum. Even if you wanked 3 times the day before.

[FatStache]

Hey @gimmesome, can't PM you because you haven't posted enough. I think you need 10 posts to be able to send/receive PMs.

[GoldfishMan]

I'm sorry to tell you this Gimmesome but I really think you should get a massage from a male. Maybe tell the massage dude straight up what's been happening...if you get the guts to get to part 2 and you cum...then maybe pussy isn't for you.
Don't mean to be harsh but it sounds unusual to me that a healthy young guy can't cum. Even if you wanked 3 times the day before.
Pretty sure he’s straight or at least can go both ways. He wanks to straight porn. If you’re gay, there’s no way you can be aroused by any female, regardless if it’s animated or RL.

[CharlieM]

Pretty sure he’s straight or at least can go both ways. He wanks to straight porn. If you’re gay, there’s no way you can be aroused by any female, regardless if it’s animated or RL.

Some guys who wank to straight porn are gay or bi but just don't know it yet. You could be looking at the cock whilst watching porn and getting turned on but don't notice it. The other thing he mentioned is that he is attracted to the tomboy look. This strikes me as unusual. Also he has stated that he is not excited leading up to going to do the deed and neither excited whilst doing the deed. Im in my late 50s, and get excited. I've cum everytime I've paid a visit to a ML/WL regardless if sometimes I've been semi hard to soft as the girl is not really pushing all the right buttons or im not feeling it. And yes I still get nervous everytime.
I'm not saying that he's 100% gay, But it just doesn't sound right to me.

[PKING2]

Pretty sure he is not a gay, if you read slowly, he get aroused playing with the pussy.

[cuteguy]

In fairness to the guy, it can happen that you just lose your mojjo with someone. It could be the case that the girl is not pretty or when she removes her clothes her body is not appealing or a turn on for you such as C scar or large tattoos. Sometimes you need some stimulation or touching of a girl's body to turn you on and when the girl refuses you access then you lose interest.

[dotcumdotinyou]

In fairness to OP even he admits to nerves, he probably just needs to relax a bit

[gimmesome]

Thanks again for the support and advice. Though it seems I have manged to make some brothers upset or maybe they just think they're comedians :miao:

Less porn and wanking. More Punting Experience
I'm hearing it loud n clear. Less porn and less wanking, especially leading up to the punt is going to help as is getting some more experience under the belt.



Try a prostate massage and see if that will get you to climax, its a different sensation and orgasm type all together in my experience.
There are a few MLs who can do it quite good as well.
Thanks of the tip Sampler. I'll be sure to try it some time when I'm feeling adventurous or if all else fails lol.


A couple of things you could’ve done better there, bro OP. For one thing, quit with the wanking for a while especially at least 2 days before the punt. Be the king of your castle, stay thy hand. Think of your dick like it’s a hungry Python. Once you’ve fed it, it’ll go to sleep. Simple no?

Secondly, you were ogling at one girl, found out that she was off, then made an on-the-fly decision to pick another as a replacement. No bro, that’s a recipe for disaster. Even if the girl was hot, at the back of your mind you’ll be kicking yourself for missing out on the other girl. You will be moping about “this is not my choice!”. Do not force yourself to pick another, go back to the drawing board if you have to. It’ll only add to your orgasm when you have it.
Thanks again for the advice GoldfishMan. I did feel a little disappointed and I probably rush the decision a bit but it wasn't like a case of bait n switch or the agent pushing me to another girl. I knew the first one wasn't available and I chose the second one later on i.e. a few days after finding out the original choice had disappeared. Have you got any more tips or wisdom you could share on making a good pick?


Hey @gimmesome, can't PM you because you haven't posted enough. I think you need 10 posts to be able to send/receive PMs.
Yeah all my posts are showing up really delayed too (usually the morning after I post) because it seems mods need to approve them all. Might try numerous smaller post instead of making mega posts to help hit the quota faster. Will probably make it easier to read my responses too.

[gimmesome]

Pretty sure he’s straight or at least can go both ways. He wanks to straight porn. If you’re gay, there’s no way you can be aroused by any female, regardless if it’s animated or RL.
If I was gay or could go both ways I think I'd have a much easier time getting casual fun ha! That being said, my gay friends didn't seem very promiscuous, they've only had monogamous relationships AFAIK.


Some guys who wank to straight porn are gay or bi but just don't know it yet. You could be looking at the cock whilst watching porn and getting turned on but don't notice it. The other thing he mentioned is that he is attracted to the tomboy look. This strikes me as unusual. Also he has stated that he is not excited leading up to going to do the deed and neither excited whilst doing the deed. Im in my late 50s, and get excited. I've cum everytime I've paid a visit to a ML/WL regardless if sometimes I've been semi hard to soft as the girl is not really pushing all the right buttons or im not feeling it. And yes I still get nervous everytime.
I'm not saying that he's 100% gay, But it just doesn't sound right to me.
Well tranny, trap, futanari etc. porn doesn't excite me and IRL I've never been able to feel any excitement from men. For tomboys I think it's more a dislike of people that are overly emotional and needy, and like to act dumb (or actually are dumb) and other typically "feminine" behaviours. [Edit: For me tomboy is a personality primarily, not a look] I'd prefer someone I can have fun together with, not a brain dead pet. Also, why do lesbians have to be so fucking hot T-T

Anyone with a genuine concern about my sexual orientation, rest assured. I'm quite comfortable with myself and don't require assistance.

[gimmesome]

It's all in his mind and how he sees himself. 172 cm is not short, don't know why he has made an issue about it. I think what has happened is he had self esteem issues when he was younger growing up in Australia being "short" and Asian. Then compounded it by not losing his V plates when he should have. He has gotten to a point where the longer he waits the more the issue has grown in his mind.

Now is he thinks too much. Stop thinking!

Also don't go to a private booking as your first time, that's way more nerve wrecking than just going to a high traffic shop like n5m, 278, Ginza etc. Go see Sia at 278 Club, she has a really lovely personality and a gentle girl. I reckon she would be a good girl to lose your virginity to.
Thanks for the thoughts Johnny. Overthinking is definitely a lifelong character trait for me. Unfortunately a bit late for the advice on my first time but maybe helpful for others in a similar situation. Definitely considering a popular shop for the next punt, thanks for the recommendation.


Sometimes you need some stimulation or touching of a girl's body to turn you on and when the girl refuses you access then you lose interest.
Yeah, I think I felt a bit of that with the first lady.

[GoldfishMan]

Thanks again for the support and advice. Though it seems I have manged to make some brothers upset or maybe they just think they're comedians :miao:

Less porn and wanking. More Punting Experience
I'm hearing it loud n clear. Less porn and less wanking, especially leading up to the punt is going to help as is getting some more experience under the belt.


Thanks of the tip Sampler. I'll be sure to try it some time when I'm feeling adventurous or if all else fails lol.


Thanks again for the advice GoldfishMan. I did feel a little disappointed and I probably rush the decision a bit but it wasn't like a case of bait n switch or the agent pushing me to another girl. I knew the first one wasn't available and I chose the second one later on i.e. a few days after finding out the original choice had disappeared. Have you got any more tips or wisdom you could share on making a good pick?


Yeah all my posts are showing up really delayed too (usually the morning after I post) because it seems mods need to approve them all. Might try numerous smaller post instead of making mega posts to help hit the quota faster. Will probably make it easier to read my responses too.
My tip to you about choosing the WL is the same as before. Go for physical attraction over service level. Make sure you know what type of girl you like physically (tall and leggy, petite, a bit chubby, younger or a bit more mature, etc), and don't worry about the service level yet. Service is appreciated more once you're done exploring the female body and just want to kick back and relax.

[PKING2]

My tip to you about choosing the WL is the same as before. Go for physical attraction over service level. Make sure you know what type of girl you like physically (tall and leggy, petite, a bit chubby, younger or a bit more mature, etc), and don't worry about the service level yet. Service is appreciated more once you're done exploring the female body and just want to kick back and relax.

True, for first experience better young hot face, hot body, better than service.

@gimmesome
I think you leaning to jap girl right, because oh those hentai things. Maybe try J rey from ginza, she is one of" the hot face hot body" and not expensive. Best bang for the buck if you want jap.

[GoldfishMan]

True, for first experience better young hot face, hot body, better than service.

@gimmesome
I think you leaning to jap girl right, because oh those hentai things. Maybe try J rey from ginza, she is one of" the hot face hot body" and not expensive. Best bang for the buck if you want jap.

That’s a great tip, pking2.

[bevis90]

Stop wanking and watching porn

[warwick1]

Stop wanking and watching porn

Best advice so far , he is a fraud.........

[cumquat]

LMFAO ….. Sadly it’s too short…

[FatStache]

Agree with GoldfishMan re: knowing what kind of girl you like physically.


J Rey is the sexy bombshell type. In hentai, she's the tanned gym babe with a yakuza boyfriend and she loves the stares of other dudes. The kind who makes sexy eye contact with you while sitting at a table with you and her boyfriend.
She's got tomboy vibes, very independent.
Rey will definitely let you explore her bod. Fake tits though.
If you go for her, I recommend showering beforehand and skipping the shower at the session start - she'll be cool with it.

I agree Japanese will be your best bet. Try finding one with good enough English so you can communicate what you wanna do (Rey has flawless English).

[Meng]

I've actually written ARs where I lost boners from nerves. I think my review on Indian Jane was one where I couldn't get it up cause of nerves. First time with an Indian chick and just couldn't get my little brother up.

Ended up writing a AR and sharing minute by minute details of that embarrassment on this forum lol.

[V2539]

Try a blindfold, watching porn has obviously screwed up your visual sensory receptors

[cuteguy]

Try a blindfold, watching porn has obviously screwed up your visual sensory receptors

Watching too much porn can desensitise you in that you can't get turned on during sexual encounters.

[asiafever]

Try a blindfold, watching porn has obviously screwed up your visual sensory receptors

Not a bad idea, from a sensory perspective it has been suggested many times that when blindfolded responses to touch and sense of smell are increased (even if this is only imagined and not backed by any real evidence), as well as providing a unique sexy experience (with the right girl).

[hellozmane]

I'm sorry to tell you this Gimmesome but I really think you should get a massage from a male. Maybe tell the massage dude straight up what's been happening...if you get the guts to get to part 2 and you cum...then maybe pussy isn't for you.
Don't mean to be harsh but it sounds unusual to me that a healthy young guy can't cum. Even if you wanked 3 times the day before.


It's not unusual at all, its actually quite common (there's heaps of threads on reddit) where guys have watched too much porn to the point where it has desensitized real life sexual encounters. Not to mention death grip.

[gimmesome]

Again, I'll be trying to avoid identifiable info, not really meant to be an AR, more of a journal. (Feel free to PM if you'd like to exchange some info though.)

2nd Punt, Experienced C ML
This is my 2nd punt with an older and more experienced Chinese ML a few days after my disappointing first punt.

Prelude:
So as described in my previous recollection, after my disappointing first punt and reflecting on why it likely was a fail for me (too much wanking and possibly nerves) I decided to go for a punt with an ML. Less "performance pressure", cheaper price so I could potentially do it more often and build up experience and 1st part massage sounds nice to relax and help with stiff back from sitting at a computer all day.

I begin my abstinence from wanking and look for an opportunity to visit an ML. I get my opportunity mid-week after hours, 3 days after the first punt and 3 days of no fap. As some people have suggested here, I assumed the issue might due in part to lower tier service from a less experienced WL and a more experienced ML might get me off easier so I contact mamasan at the RnT I was planning on going to and ask for recommendations for girls with good message skills. I cross reference the profiles on the website, mostly ignoring the pictures (which aren't very clear anyway) and I decide to go with girl that has the best English in the hope that it will make communicating what I want easier.

I confirm my booking with mamasan that morning and after work I head in for my booking which is last session of the day.

The Session
I walk in and run into another punter before mamasan and papasan quickly direct me to a private waiting room. After a few minutes in the cubicle, mamasan takes me back out and takes my money before calling out the ML. I note mamasan seems very professional and down to business, she again endorses the ML I'm going with as having excellent massage.

I'm directed by the ML to a very large spacious room with a massage table in the middle and a shower on the side. We have some small talk while I strip down and wash my body.

The Girl:
The girl isn't the most attractive woman I've seen. Not repulsive but definitely a tier or 2 down from the first Korean model WL, pretty "average". Profile had her as Chinese but she seemed a bit more Vietnamese to me though could be one of the more southern Chinese ethnicities.
Age Appearance: 30s early-mid. Most noteworthy thing is she definitely looks/feels a good bit older than me, by no means "mature" but from my perspective probably a bit older which is a bit of a turn off for me.
Face: 6/10 Nothing "wrong" with her face but not particularly my type. Pretty average. Would describe small, round "cute" type but a lot of my early-mid 30s impression of her age was from her face.
Body: 4/10* Not obese or anything majorly wrong with her body but she wore her dress the whole time, likely because she had things to hide. Though even through she dress it was clear she wasn't particularly slim or curvy in a nice way. She also had a bunch of splotching looking marks on her skin (not open sores but darker uneven patches) that made me think of cigarette burns but checking photos of actual cigarette burns I think it's likely something else.
Height: 160cm Definitely a good bit smaller than the first WL though she
Boobs: B+ on the small side but still there. Again not much of a boobs person so I don't care that much.
Ass: 6/10 Again because she was wearing her dress most of the time I didn't get to see much of it till the end but I'd rate pretty "average". Nothing wrong but not particularly attractive either. It was smooth, clean and hair free at least.
Communication: 8/10 Her English was pretty solid but not quite native level. Communicating what I wanted to do and what she asked me to do didn't have any hitches but small talk and more free conversation was awkward because she couldn't understand some stuff.

Not really the most attractive woman so I mostly tried to keep my eyes closed and use my imagination a bit while enjoying the massage lol.

Part 1
Part 1 was probably the best part. Great normal massage. Nice strong pressure when I requested it, definitely experienced. Really helped release some tense back muscles. My back still feeling noticeably better a few days after. She also got on top of my back and rubbed me. Feeling her butt and groin rubbing against be while she massaged had me turned on. She also did some more gentle massage of my arms and legs and even fingers which felt really nice too. Mamasan didn't lie about a good massage.

After about 20-30 min of massage she moved onto playing closer to my crotch and butt crack before asking me to turn over where we got started with part 2.

Part 2
I turn over and she starts some gentle kissing of my body. Starting from my chest and going down to my balls. She then starts tugging me off for a while. It feels pretty unstimulating again and after a bit I get less hard. She get me to open my eyes and look at her (not super arousing either lol) she also tries some dirty talk but again not super appealing or convincing if anything gets and awkward laugh from me. She pulls her tits out and gets me to grope them which is a bit of fun but again not the most amazing body so I'm not particularly aroused.

She asks me tell her how I want her to touch me. I try telling her to go harder but as with my first punt it still feels pretty unstimulating despite her worrying she's squeezing hard enough to hurt me. I also get her to try a few different techniques to jerk me off but it's all still feeling pretty boring.

After a while she's clearly getting tired and more desperate to help me finish. I suggest asking her to try rubbing me with her body so she slips the top half of a dress down (still keeping her mid section covered) and tries rubbing me with her tits. Because of the way my dick goes that's bit easier said then done so I assist by taking her boobs and squeezing them together on my dick while she has her hands on the table rubbing her chest back and forth. This is pretty fun but still not getting me off much and definitely not making me cum. After she stops and starts jerking me off again while rubbing my dick into her boob. This feels better but still not enough. I too would like to finish so I grab my own dick and try jerking myself off while grinding my glands into her boob. Alas I still do not cum. After some 30 min of part 2 she ask me if I want "real sex".

Part 3
I'm a bit apprehensive of the offer. This is RnT doesn't offer FS as a standard and this ML didn't even have CIM option on her profile. Also the way she asked it I'm not sure if she was offering it as a freebie or an extra. So I ask her if it's an extra and how much she asking for but she just says "what ever you want". I'm thinking if I pay an extra $100 and I can cum from some FS then that still puts the total damage at less than normal market rate for 1hr FS. I also know that this RnT is fully licenced and FS is not forbidden, even if it's not standard. I also do want to finish off and have a good time so I agree to it and say $100 in the moment.

Being that this isn't normally a FS RnT there aren't any condoms around and I didn't bring one so we have a bit of a break while the ML goes through her purse to find a condom. She also warns me to not let the mamasan know we're doing this because she's told mamasan she doesn't do this kind of service.

She asks me to do her doggy style and I agree while she gets on all fours and pulls her panties off, still wearing her dress to cover her mid section. I penetrate her from behind with an ample view of her average looking pussy and butt hole. Again the feeling is pretty mild but a bit tighter then the first WL. I start pounding away while she makes noises (which I am not really convinced by). Getting a decent view of her pussy lips gripping my dick is pretty nice (even if it not the prettiest pussy in the world).

I try pretty much every thing I can think of. Varying the pace, varying the angle, a bit of gyration, pushing in hard and grinding, grabbing her by the hips, grabbing her by the shoulder, grabbing one arm, both arms. Again, not really doing much for me. She's making some noise and I notice her tighten up a bit a few times which feels good but again not enough to make me cum and I'm feeling unconvinced her reactions are genuine so not particularly aroused by it all. I could probably have gone harder but again I held back because I didn't want to hurt her. After ~20 min of doggy style I'm starting to really feel bored and have given up hope of cumming. The condom is starting slip off and we've gone well past the time too (although its last session of the day) so I pull out and call it quits there. Kinda felt like I was the one doing the service instead of getting serviced with how unsatisfying it felt for me.

I take a quick shower and get dressed. While the ML is getting dressed, I get a glimpse of her front where I see some scaring and some stretched skin. So I guess that confirms she was trying to hide that part of her body :eek: I stop the ML and I give her a $50 for part 3 even though it kind of seems she was good to just leave since it wasn't really successful. In the end about 1hr 20min total and I didn't cum. I did find I stayed harder then the first time so I think the 3 days no fap is helped.

Epilogue
So yet another unsuccessful and and disappointing session. Feeling let down and a bit frustrated while also unsure of what to try in order to have a better experience I came here and wrote my OP.

With a bit more time to reflect and look back. I think the first time with the Korean model WL was overall more enjoyable and memorable. I'm with what GoldfishMan and some others have advised that physical attraction is more important than service; at least in my case, for the current time.

Still abstaining and haven't cum since my wank after my first punt. Definitely feeling more horny. The worst is trying to get to sleep at night or when I wake up early and am trying to get to sleep with morning wood. Pretty annoying trying to relax and sleep but being way too horny; I usually try doing a bit of exercise to distract myself but that doesn't help falling asleep.

I was feeling sick this weekend so wasn't able to go out to see a WL even if I wanted to. Hopefully will have a good punt next weekend after 2 weeks of no fap.

TL;DR
ML had a good massage and service but didn't provide much physical attraction. In future I think I want to put more emphasis finding physically attractive girls rather than experienced service girls.

[gimmesome]

Thanks again for the advice and tips brothers.


My tip to you about choosing the WL is the same as before. Go for physical attraction over service level. Make sure you know what type of girl you like physically (tall and leggy, petite, a bit chubby, younger or a bit more mature, etc), and don't worry about the service level yet. Service is appreciated more once you're done exploring the female body and just want to kick back and relax.
Thanks again for the great advice GoldfishMan.



I think you leaning to jap girl right, because oh those hentai things. Maybe try J rey from ginza, she is one of" the hot face hot body" and not expensive. Best bang for the buck if you want jap.

Agree with GoldfishMan re: knowing what kind of girl you like physically.


J Rey is the sexy bombshell type. In hentai, she's the tanned gym babe with a yakuza boyfriend and she loves the stares of other dudes. The kind who makes sexy eye contact with you while sitting at a table with you and her boyfriend.
She's got tomboy vibes, very independent.
Rey will definitely let you explore her bod. Fake tits though.
If you go for her, I recommend showering beforehand and skipping the shower at the session start - she'll be cool with it.

I agree Japanese will be your best bet. Try finding one with good enough English so you can communicate what you wanna do (Rey has flawless English).

Thanks a lot for the detailed recommendation. I really appreciate it. J Rey definitely looks towards my type. I've also been thinking a Japanese girl would be a good idea. I know GoldfishMan said to worry less about service but with a Japanese girl I think cultural "sexpectations" are more likely to align with what I understand/want. I also can understand and speak some Japanese so communication should be a bit better; at least compared to J or C girls. I think I'll have a look around at the available Japanese girls and see if there is anything that appeals to me in particular. Fortunately it seems there has been a windfall of genuine J girls recently.

[gimmesome]

I've actually written ARs where I lost boners from nerves. I think my review on Indian Jane was one where I couldn't get it up cause of nerves. First time with an Indian chick and just couldn't get my little brother up.

Ended up writing a AR and sharing minute by minute details of that embarrassment on this forum lol.
Haha Thanks Meng, good to know I'm not alone. Hopefully my own story can help others too.


Try a blindfold, watching porn has obviously screwed up your visual sensory receptors

Watching too much porn can desensitise you in that you can't get turned on during sexual encounters.

Not a bad idea, from a sensory perspective it has been suggested many times that when blindfolded responses to touch and sense of smell are increased (even if this is only imagined and not backed by any real evidence), as well as providing a unique sexy experience (with the right girl).
Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking that and kinda tried that with the ML in my 2nd punt and just closing my eyes but it didn't really help a great deal. Comparing the much more attractive WL of my first punt to my 2nd punt, I'm thinking it's worth the cost to get a hot lady, take in the extra visual stimulus and overall have a more memorable time.

Hopefully the built up libido and increased sensitivity from 2 weeks of no fap will be enough to get me across the line even if other factors are less than ideal.

[pocarisweating]

Trust me brother, you're not alone. I can relate a lot to your burden, I've found that excessive masturbation and "death grip" is largely the problem especially when you're actually having intercourse, your dick is too accustomed to a certain level of tightness and rhythm that you've set during years of fapping that real sex can't replicate exactly.

True talk, there is only one simple advice I can impart:

Masturbate LESS frequently (try once every 2-3 days and aim for twice a week at most) and Masturbate softer. You will regain sensitivity and generally your performance will improve.

[gimmesome]

A shorter note about onahole (Japanese fleshlights) use before I go to post about my latest punt.

Again, I still haven't cum since wanking after my first punt with the K model WL 2 weeks ago. On Wednesday (3 days ago) I decided to try using some of my onaholes since I read some stuff on death grip syndrome treatment where they recommend masturbating using a fleshlight to get more used to "realistic" stimulation and to avoid squeezing too hard. I was also curious to check how "realistic" the onaholes were compared to real pussy since I'd experienced covered vaginal sex twice. So played some hentai ASMR as stimulus and used a condom and lube to masturbate with my onaholes after warming them up in hot water as I usually do. One onahole is just a regular "sleeve" but the other is a 4kg hip with an anus and vagina and is quite nice being able to put it on a table or on the bed and screw it.

With a condom on it definitely felt significantly less simulating than normally using the onaholes to masturbate but I could easily get myself close to cumming. I stopped before I came to save it to the punt. Checking feeling without a condom on, the week and a half of no fap had definetly increased sensitivity more than "normal". I think both the onaholes felt much tighter and more stimulating than the real thing; even without squeezing them to add pressure. Being able to get close to cumming relatively easily also gave me hope the next punt would go well.

Being that the onaholes I have feel much better than a real pussy, if I want to go the route of using fleshlights/onaholes to deal with death grip then it seems maybe I need to get a less stimulating hole?

[PKING2]

@gimmesome
But you need to reduce your speed, the real person cannot go that fast.

Glad it works for you bro.

[GoldfishMan]

@gimmesome
But you need to reduce your speed, the real person cannot go that fast.

Glad it works for you bro.
Not really just about the speed, it's about everything coming together perfectly. Pacing, perfect tightness at the perfect time to get yourself off. Those are the things your right or left hand is extremely good at because it is, after all, your own hand. When you're fucking a real girl or woman, it will never be that perfect, so you have to sort of just take all the best parts and ignore all the bad parts. Like when you're inside her pussy, just take a moment to take in that reality that you are inside the most intimate part of her. She moans and gets aroused when you thrust into her, your right hand can't do that. Those things are what you need to be focusing on rather than how it is slightly less perfect than when you're doing it with your own hand.

[gimmesome]

Again not trying to write an AR and definitely want to avoid getting into bad blood with anyone or any establishment. I just want to share my experience and hopefully get some useful advice. In this case however, I think it will be pretty obvious to anyone paying attention who the girl is and which establishment but I will at least refrain from explicitly giving names so don't ask me to confirm your guesses in public. Again feel free to PM me.

3rd Punt, J WL at Brothel
First punt at a brothel and first punt where I've seen an AR for the lady so a chance to see how my experiences and standards compare to others. Also 2nd time with a WL so I have something to compare to this time.

Prologue:
So I still haven't cum since I wanked after my first punt 2 weeks ago but I did do some masturbation (without cumming) using onaholes 3 days ago as explained in my above post.

In the week leading up I did some searching around at a few establishments looking at profiles and reading ARs to try find a girl that was hopefully my type. Thanks again for the recommendations which people have provided to me. I was hoping to book J Rey as recommended by a few but it seems she's hasn't shown up for a while (hopefully just coincidence). So yesterday I booked another WL I'd been eying who seemed my type and had a positive review.

Woke up this morning a bit more organised than my first punt and walked over to the establishment. Notified mamasan and papasan at the reception of my booking and paid for 1 hr and was directed to a room to await the girl. Venue felt pretty similar to the RnT I saw the ML at but the lighting was dimmer and red which made it harder to see things.

The Girl
Possibly my first mistake here was paying the money before seeing the girl. In retrospect I wonder if I was given the switcharoo given how different she seemed from the photos. Even if it wasn't a bait and switch, that's kinda how it felt.
Age: mids 20s to early 30s. The website said 23 (which is expected to be a stretch) and the AR said mid-20s. It was a bit hard to see with the lighting in the room but I felt like she was maybe early 30s at the time but I guess could have been mid-20s if you really stretched your belief. From my perspective, she didn't feel particularly "young". For reference the first K model WL definitely seemed/felt at least similar age to me or a bit younger in retrospect.
Face: 5/10. Typical round, slightly chubbyish type Japanese face. The photos don't clearly show her face (of course) but the parts that are shown gave me expectation she would have a more slender, angular face. Pretty heavy make-up which I don't have a problem with. Overall though, not particularly pretty and not my type. Looking into her face/age was definitely not a turn-on.
Figure: 5/10. Definitely not like the pictures in the profile. Profile and AR described her as "toned" but I'd describe more as a bit little curvy which isn't a the end of the world issue but felt like a let down from the expectations I had. Not skinny, slim or fit for sure. Short legs (which is pretty typical for Japanese girls). Similar to the 2nd punt ML in height and figure but nicer skin (though no where near as nice as the photos though).
Boobs: B-C. The profile said C and the AR said C to D. IMO it looked more like B/C. Slightly bigger than the 2nd punt ML but similar shape but a bit saggier. They looked a bit saggy to me. 1st punt K model definitely had the nicest tits so far.
Ass: 7/10. Pretty decent ass. Not incredibly smooth nor toned but nice size and shape.
Communication: 7/10. Her English was limited but was able to communicate partially in Japanese which was probably one of the highlights for me. I feel less hesitant saying things in Japanese I found, maybe indicative of underlying nervousness.

First some small talk. Getting a chance to chat a bit in Japanese and get some speaking practice felt nice. Certainly helped stop me from walking out lol. I was a bit taken a back from her less than appealing appearance but decided to go through with it and see how it plays out. Get in the shower, nothing special a bit of rubbing but that 1st punt K model was definitely far superior in terms of the touching and what she did. I really tried though out the session but I didn't enjoy eye contact with her.

Out of the shower and onto the bed. I lie down and she starts giving me HJ and BBBJ. The best so far (better the toothy one from the K model for sure). She goes pretty hard, maybe too hard and I need to ask her to slow down because it's just painful. HJ felt pretty good too (better than all previous) but that might have been more just due to the 2 wks of no fap; not sure. She also licked my nipples which really didn't feel like anything but I don't normally feel anything in my nipples anyway. I tried some DFK too which I didn't find particularly hot, she did have the tongue piercing as mentioned in the AR so seems like it was the correct lady. (DFK a bit of a worry with the oral gonorrhoea thread that popped up).

I'm hard but again not super aroused by being with this WL. She puts condom on and mounts me cowgirl. I think she's a bit tighter than both previous WL and ML but yet again it's not feeling particularly good and I'm not feeling like I'm gonna cum any time soon. She humps away at me while making noise like a typical JAV girl which I don't have a problem with but didn't find very arousing either. She starts to get tired it seems so I get her to lie down and I start pounding her in missionary.

Again, not really feeling much and after a while I start getting tired in that position and we swap to doggy style. Always a nice view of the bum and the pussy in doggy style and an easier time thrusting. Getting a good feel of her ass and pounding it on my crotch is nice too. I think it's favourite position so far. However, still not enough to make me really feel pleasure let alone cum. Again tried a few different things in doggy style but not getting much out of it. I have noticed when they drop their hands and bend down so their ass and pussy points up high I can feel more tightness, get a bit deep and have a nicer view of their rear. I think I'll try get ladies to do that more for me in the future.

I get tired of doggy style going no where and I get off and let her give me HJ and BBBJ hoping for CIM. It feels objectively better than the service I got from the previous two ladies but still not really pleasurable or making me cum. Again, sometimes she did it really hard and I had to just ask her to slow down because it was uncomfortable but whilst going gentler it also wasn't particularly pleasurable. HJ feel ok, getting probably the most pleasure from that. At this point I think she mouth wash wore off because I can start to taste the cigarette in her kiss and in her breath (YUK!). I suggest trying to put it inside her again.

She mounts me again and she really does try hard to get me to cum but again I'm not really feeling much. Once she starts looking tired we swap to doggy style again and also try prone bone which also helps get her cigarette breath out of my face (eugh). Trying that for a while again no success for me. I get off and we swap back to HJ.

As with the first WL I ask her to let me finger her while she jerks me off. Again pretty fun and pleasurable (but not enough). I enjoy feeling the difference in her pussy compared to the first WL. I'm about to ask her to show me how to finger her better but at 10 minutes left (and not really going anywhere) she tells me we're almost out of time and I need to shower. So I get showered off and get dressed. She gives me a hug and apologises before I leave. I probably should have used some mouth wash before I left too. I'm pretty sure we went less than 1 hr.

After thoughts
I don't think I was actually bait and switched more just baited by really unrealistic photos. She had the same hair style as photos and the tongue piercing mentioned in the AR so seems like it was the "same" lady. The establishment also seems to have a bit of a bad rep for not using accurate photos but with the AR I was hoping it wouldn't be *that* bad.

I also noticed a some red spots on my chest which I don't think I had yesterday. Isn't itchy and was my chest clear for over a week during which I had no contact so I'm guessing it might be some irritation caused by the soap she used? It seems to have gone down a bit after taking a proper shower at home bit I'll keep an eye on it.

There were maybe some good parts to but overall it was a pretty negative experience. Particularly the cigarette breath. I really didn't like that :vomit: Despite all that though I did stay hard pretty much the whole way though so I think the no fap is helping.

Comparing to my two previous experiences I'd say this one was the worst *so far* and made me appreciate that first punt with the K model WL a lot more. The only thing that the first punt had worse was the toothy BBBJ. The Kmodel WL was a leagues ahead in terms of attractiveness; I never felt like I wanted to close my eyes and use my imagination instead during that punt unlike 2 and 3. Shower service was much better. The more natural moaning was nicer I think. Kmodel also had a pretty decent pussy slide and grind in retrospect. HJ was about the same level (Kmodel maybe slightly worse). Had no rush with the Kmodel, even went a bit over time compare to this time which felt rushed at the end. Kmodel also didn't have cigarette breath...

Also being able to compare to another AR now I guess my standards are a bit high? or maybe that AR was a bit over hyping. If my tastes are more expensive then so be it, I'm not *planning* on doing this regularly, I mostly just want to experience a good punt then be done with it so I can tolerate higher prices.

Not really sure where to from here. I kinda wanna try with the first WL again or maybe a different girl from that agency. Maybe if J Rey comes back try her? Maybe try exploring some RnTs a bit more? Maybe try a different brothel, or a different agency? I haven't had much time to think about it yet so very open to suggestions, thought and advice as always.

TL;DR
Still haven't cum. It was a pretty big miss. Worst punt for me so far. Girl was not attractive (for me) and had cigarette breath. Currently thinking what to do next.

[gimmesome]

@gimmesome
But you need to reduce your speed, the real person cannot go that fast.



Not really just about the speed, it's about everything coming together perfectly. Pacing, perfect tightness at the perfect time to get yourself off. Those are the things your right or left hand is extremely good at because it is, after all, your own hand.

Thanks for the advice. With the Hip onahole, I just place it on a table or on the bed and I thrust into it with my hips like I would a real girl so not really controlling tightness, and pacing is "realistic" as it is what I be doing with a real girl. To me it seems the unrealistic part is it just has better tightness and texture than any of the 3 ladies so far.



When you're fucking a real girl or woman, it will never be that perfect, so you have to sort of just take all the best parts and ignore all the bad parts. Like when you're inside her pussy, just take a moment to take in that reality that you are inside the most intimate part of her. She moans and gets aroused when you thrust into her, your right hand can't do that. Those things are what you need to be focusing on rather than how it is slightly less perfect than when you're doing it with your own hand.

True words of wisdom GoldfishMan, thank you. I'll keep it in mind for next time. I think with 2 of 3 these ladies so far, part of the problem is I don't really feel very "excited" to be inside them :burn:

[PKING2]

@gimmesome

I see the problem, you already turned off by first impression, and it is normal, sometimes I got soft as well if the first impression not good. And that build up with her cigarette breath.

And I think I know the lady who you mention.
I will send you a pm might can help you.

[gimmesome]

I see the problem, you already turned off by first impression, and it is normal, sometimes I got soft as well if the first impression not good. And that build up with her cigarette breath.

Cheers PKING2. Well I guess the constructive thing to ask is: how do I avoid getting into such a situation? What can/should I be doing to that I don't end up out of cash stuck in a session with a lady I don't fancy. I guess there's always some element of luck to punting.

[FatStache]

Hey OP, as you say, punting wouldn't be punting if it wasn't a gamble of some sort.

All things considered, it sounds like you're on the right track. Maintaining the erection is good progress.

The next step is as others have said: the mental component of enjoying the reality of the situation. Finding a partner you gel with will help.

Also, try reducing your general stress levels. It's hard to be present in the moment when there's so much going on in your subconscious. Meditation, exercise, good sleep and any mindfulness method that suits you can help. I've recently gotten into EFT tapping myself.

[Max PP]

maybe needs a few drinks first to relax and stop stressing so much

[PKING2]

maybe needs a few drinks first to relax and stop stressing so much

I don't think alcohol will have good effect to him lol, he often going soft while intercourse lol.

@gimmesome
The thing that you can do is. Read review, find people who has taste that similar to your taste. My top pick reviewers that have similar taste to me are Meng, glamourphoto.
How do you know you will have similar taste. You need to take plunge with different girls that reviewed at least once.

Example that wl3 not your taste right, and she has good score with one of reviewer, so safe to say your taste is different with him. Try different reviewer.

Hope this can help

[gimmesome]

Hey OP, as you say, punting wouldn't be punting if it wasn't a gamble of some sort.

All things considered, it sounds like you're on the right track. Maintaining the erection is good progress.

The next step is as others have said: the mental component of enjoying the reality of the situation. Finding a partner you gel with will help.

Also, try reducing your general stress levels. It's hard to be present in the moment when there's so much going on in your subconscious. Meditation, exercise, good sleep and any mindfulness method that suits you can help. I've recently gotten into EFT tapping myself.

Thanks FatStache. Appreciated.

[gimmesome]

maybe needs a few drinks first to relax and stop stressing so much


I don't think alcohol will have good effect to him lol, he often going soft while intercourse lol.
Yeah, I don't really drink. It gives me the red face thing and generally makes me feel unwell and tired.

[gimmesome]

The thing that you can do is. Read review, find people who has taste that similar to your taste. My top pick reviewers that have similar taste to me are Meng, glamourphoto.
How do you know you will have similar taste. You need to take plunge with different girls that reviewed at least once.

Example that wl3 not your taste right, and she has good score with one of reviewer, so safe to say your taste is different with him. Try different reviewer.

Hope this can help
Thanks for the advice. I'm feeling like a good direction is trying out more, different ladies and particularly trying out ones with recommendations and reviews that way I can position myself better to relative to other punters and benefit more from the shared intel.

Cheers

[Mickeydrippen]

I love the thoughtful words of my brother members. The thing that seems missing is the girlfriend experience where lots of DFK and tease that builds the tension. Wam bam get me off as quick as possible is the biggest turnoff to me. Not saying you shouldn’t like it. I just reckon connection and warmth plus humour can be a big turn on.

[GoldfishMan]

I love the thoughtful words of my brother members. The thing that seems missing is the girlfriend experience where lots of DFK and tease that builds the tension. Wam bam get me off as quick as possible is the biggest turnoff to me. Not saying you shouldn’t like it. I just reckon connection and warmth plus humour can be a big turn on.
That’s very true, so much so that I would recommend OP to try to get a real GF to start the ball rolling. Enjoy love making first, then you will look at sex in a very different way.

Just don’t try to get the GF from a shop, regardless of WL or ML!

[PKING2]

That’s very true, so much so that I would recommend OP to try to get a real GF to start the ball rolling. Enjoy love making first, then you will look at sex in a very different way.

Just don’t try to get the GF from a shop, regardless of WL or ML!

Op needs a private lesson from you bro, how to pick girl like a boss. Lol

[gimmesome]

That’s very true, so much so that I would recommend OP to try to get a real GF to start the ball rolling. Enjoy love making first, then you will look at sex in a very different way.

Just don’t try to get the GF from a shop, regardless of WL or ML!
I honestly really would like to get a real GF but I seem pretty hopeless at doing so :cry:
As explained before, part of my motivation for getting into punting is not being able to get a GF and not wanting to continue waiting and hoping for something to happen, so I can at least enjoy some some sexual experiences whilst I'm still "young". I certainly feel regret not having more "fun" when I was younger still.


Op needs a private lesson from you bro, how to pick girl like a boss. Lol
haha, I mean I'm open to all advice, support and trying out recommendations not just for punting but dating but I can't guarantee I won't be a difficult student. I think there are reasons I've never had a girlfriend before.

[limbi8888]

learn to relax, i usually get a ML and then talk to her like you would if you were trying to pickup, you don't have to worry cos your gonna get what you pay for.
Just talk to them get to know them abit and it should make it a nicer experience for you. Stop trying so hard, your paying for it so its gona be fine.

If you over think it you will jsut put the little guy under pressure to perform.

[Lookha]

You should try BBFS and/or pussy scrub. Regular SB is also very good.

[xboyx]

you should have seen J Mio perhaps, she had awesome body which would have turned you on, good smell, not a smoker

[abovetherim]

I think the OP needs a real gf. It seems that you need more than just a physical attraction and build up to try to orgasm. You need to fall in love my man!

[gimmesome]

A more positive one this time but again not meant to be an AR though feel free to PM if you want a bit more info.

#4 Slim T ML
Had this punt the day after #3 but haven't had the time to write up the report. This was my 4th punt and 2nd time with a different ML at the same shop as #2.

Prelude:
So as posted previously #3 was not a good experience but the next day I had free time and was keen to not waste it. I contacted mamasan at the same RnT shop I got my first massage at (2nd punt). This time I was ignoring English and massage/service level and looking to make a pick based on hopefully most attractive. I tried to ask mamasan for a line up but was told only show 2 girls then I have to pick. So I went through the roster profiles and picked two options that stood out to me based primarily on the girls age and weight stat. Mamasan told me one of them was available and I confirmed the booking.

Arriving, mamasan confirmed my booking with the girl. I tried to ask about potentially seeing a line up and see more than one of the girls but mamasan made some excuses and refused but assured me the girl I had booked was very pretty. I probably should have insisted if I can see the girl before handing over the money but absent mindedly handed over the money for 1 hr. Mamasan then called out the girl to take me to the room.

The Girl
Age: mid to late 20s. Thank goodness this girl actually looked reasonably young. Probably not the age listed on the profile still as to be expected but definitely still young enough to be attractive (to me).
Face: 7/10. Typical but decently pretty Thai face. Nothing too special or particularly my type but "young" and pleasant to look at. The strangest thing was she had her hair done up in a really "big" 60s, plastic-looking, hair sprayed solid style. Not really my thing and not sure why she'd do that either, maybe trying to appeal to a certain regular? or made part of her work persona to help disguise her everyday identity?
Body: 8/10. Actually slim but not skinny either. She was short, shortest so far so <160cm but not due to very short legs. She had pretty good proportions overall but not quite model level nor ticking all my particular tastes. I do note she had really nice, smooth, THICK (but not "fat" or lumpy) thighs which I quite liked.
Skin: 9/10* An extra rating here which kind of plays into my rating for body. Her skin was flawless and GLOWING head to toe from her upper lips to her lower lips. Amazing skin. The only thing stopping me from giving a 10/10 is that the room as a bit dim to see and her more tanned skin colour can make it difficult to see any flaws so can't 100% say it was a perfect 10/10 but definitely some of the most amazing skin I have ever seen.
Ass: 8/10* I unfortunately didn't get to have a good perv at her ass since she was facing me front on almost the entire time but I assume it would mostly match her delicious thighs.
Boobs: A, 7/10 Quite small but size isn't of great importance to me so much as shape and appearance. I'd much rather perky and youthful A cups than saggy D cups but that's of course my own personal preference. Her boobs were quite small but full and perky with small perky nipples too. Nice to look at (for me) and still worth playing with but nothing too spectacular.
Communication: 8/10 Her English was apparently not meant to be as good as #2 but I didn't find it any in any way harder to communicate. Not native level English obviously but no real issues (much better than #1 or #3). If anything compared to #2 she made less small talk or attempted dirty talk which I honestly liked more than the awkward talk from #2. I'm not really big on conversation.

So right off the bat things are looking pretty good, the ML looks decently attractive (to me).

Part 1
She leads me to the room and gets me to shower myself while she leaves to get some towels and prepare some stuff (not sure what stuff). I undress, shower then dry myself off but I'm left sitting and waiting for a bit. She comes back and we start part 1. Back massage is pretty good, in some ways better than #2 was, though less body-body contact and erotic touching. After a pretty good normal massage she moves on to more erotic light touching, it was not quite as stimulating or skilled as #2 but not particularly "bad" or off putting at least. I felt like this light touching part went on a bit longer than it needed to.

Part 2
After starting to feel a bit impatient with the light touching she finally gets me to turn over and takes off her dress. I finally start to get a good look at her body. As described above she's quite physically attractive, much much better than #2 and #3, I'm actually drawn to her instead of somewhat repulsed. I'm most of all amazed by her incredible skin. I don't remember too clearly but she started of with the typical touching around the groin and a bit of nipple play on me before starting to jerk me off. I ask her to not play with my nipples since they don't feel much anyway and focus more on my dick. Definitely not as skilled or experienced or enthusiastic as #2 but I was still definitely having a much better time. However as with my other punts, the stimulation she's giving my dick isn't particularly pleasurable. She also did this thing trying to play with my balls kinda sticking her finger between my nuts and stretching my sack a bit it it really just felt uncomfortable more than anything.

After a while of jerking me off kneeling at my legs she (presumably) gets tired and moves on the lying down next to me while jerking me off. This gives me good access to her tits and nipples which I happily play with. I also get to hold her waist and ass a bit with my other hand which is also quite satisfying. After a while of this though she's getting tired and again and I'm not that much closer to cumming. I try suggesting to her to try "rubbing with her body" but she seems to not understand too well or more likely otherwise not keen on it. I suggest to her she straddles my hips while jerking me off which lets me get a good feel of her nice thigh and ass sitting on my legs. I can also get a bit of a look at her pussy. While she's doing this I cope a nice feel of her thigh and slowly work my was towards her pussy. I ask her if she'll let my touch her pussy directly as I move towards it be alas I am rejected. She does however permit me to keep my hands on her legs close to her groin and I'm able to have a bit of fun indirectly stretching her pussy open and little bit by stretching and moving the skin on her groin. Sometimes she bends over and kisses my shoulder, I guess her normal routine would be to kiss my nipple but I asked her to not do that earlier.

I'll also mention she has a very pretty and extremely tight looking pussy, by far the tightest and prettiest pussy of all the ladies yet. She also makes some fake moaning sounds all the while but I did find them at least a bit more convincing and hot than the previous ladies so far.

After a while of her sitting on my legs and jerking me off, my legs are starting to go numb and I still haven't cum nor and I getting particularly close to it despite her desperately jerking me off for the last ~20 min.

Jerking off
So she quite good looking and particularly her pussy is a nice sight even if I'm not allow to touch. I try asking her if she can sit or kneel on my face while I jerk myself off. She sort of obliges by standing over me and showing me her pussy, stretching it lightly for me to see. A bit further away than I would have liked with her standing instead of kneel over my face but still good. Looking at her pussy and imagining what it would feel like to fuck while I jerk off is really getting me off. I ask her to touch herself more for me and she obliges. Watching her play with her tight pussy whilst standing over my face is really hot.

I shot a huge load all over myself and even get myself partially in the eye :burn:

Success... sort-of. She gives me some tissues to start wiping myself off while she goes to have a shower and I'm trying to finish wiping all my own cum off my body (and face). After she finishes she lets me into the shower and leaves to get me some fresh towels? I give myself a quick wash (afterwards I returned straight home and had a proper shower) then dry myself off and get dressed. I thank the ML and give her an extra $20 tip. She gives me a quick hug then leads me to the exit.

After Thoughts
Definitely feel the truth of what GoldfishMan and some others have said: a hot girl is way more important than high tier service for someone like me. I could definitely feel the service was lower tier in terms of experience, enthusiasm and overall willingness. She didn't give me FS but I still had a much better time with her than the 1st ML (punt #2). Service just really doesn't matter than much to me compared to physical attraction and being given the opportunity to explore a hot young female body. I did feel a little bit of post nut guilt which is unusual for me (when wanking normally). It was definitely a good experience, maybe on par with my first punt or better. So far 2 for 2, 50:50 good punts : bad punts.

Whilst I did cum by jerking myself off I'd say that's definitely still an improvement from all my previous sessions where I also tried jerking myself off but still didn't cum in the session so I'd say I'm definitely improving; being able cum in the presence of a ML and using [visual] stimulation provided by her. I have gone from constantly going soft with a really attractive WL to staying harder with a less attractive ML or staying harder still with a less attractive WL or being able to cum with an attractive ML. I guess next goal from here will be getting to cum from a WL/ML's touch instead of my own. Ultimately, once I'm able to confirm I can cum having normal covered sex (i.e. do it more than a once off fluke) I will be happy to declare I am finally able to cum.

Next step, I'm going to keep an eye out for any good (recommended) WLs on roster if nothing shows up maybe revist this ML and see if she'll open up more on repeats. In the mean time I'll also be continuing no fap. I haven't been looking at any porn either but I've become aware that a lot of my media feeds sexual (NSFW level and sometimes pornographic) content so I'm starting to get that purged too so I'll be no fap and no porn. Hopefully next punt in a week or 2.

TL;DR
I came... but by jerking myself off... but that's still an improvement! The ML was quite attractive which helped a lot. Service wasn't as good but that didn't really matter, good punt overall. Going to keep punting with the aim to actually cum from the ML/WL and not my own hand.

[gimmesome]

learn to relax, i usually get a ML and then talk to her like you would if you were trying to pickup, you don't have to worry cos your gonna get what you pay for.
Just talk to them get to know them abit and it should make it a nicer experience for you. Stop trying so hard, your paying for it so its gona be fine.

If you over think it you will jsut put the little guy under pressure to perform.

Yeah I might put some effort into being a bit more talkative with the ML/WLs. Thanks for the advice,

[gimmesome]

You should try BBFS and/or pussy scrub. Regular SB is also very good.
Definitely not not keen to be doing BBFS with a WL, maybe an ML I know which doesn't do it normally do FS with customers at best but not keen on catching something, particularly if it causes damage I still have a lot of life ahead of me.

I've thought about SBs and that might be ok for BB (again depending on that the girl normally does) but a SB seems to imply a more committed, regular relationship even if it's still transactional. I'm not really looking to be keeping SBs. I'm not sure I'd have a money or "appearance" of wealth to really be a SD. If I'm budgeting money like that monthly, I'd rather spend money on myself and improving myself to try get a GF. This punting stuff I'm not really doing with the goal of it being a long term thing (at the moment). My main goal with punting MLs and WLs is to get my experience up and enjoy some new things. Not really looking to have play on the side longer term. I'd rather put more effort into getting a real GF than a SB.

[gimmesome]

you should have seen J Mio perhaps, she had awesome body which would have turned you on, good smell, not a smoker

Cheers for the rec. Any comments on her face? Edit: Where is she? I can't seem to see her on the rosters/girls lists at either Ginza

[gimmesome]

I think the OP needs a real gf. It seems that you need more than just a physical attraction and build up to try to orgasm. You need to fall in love my man!

Oh how I wish I could :cry:

[bevis90]

U need to let the ml jerk you off. But still an improvement. Just need to pick one that interest you and find attracted to then let it flow.

[PKING2]

@gimmesome, if you the one that wank, it still at ground zero,
What you want you cum, not using your hand at all.
The one that I want to try for you cancelled yesterday as she got period. So I haven't have another reccomendation at the moment.

But maybe some bro here can help to make the reccomendation more specific for this bro.
1. Should be above average face, I know beauty is in the eyes of beholder, but this will help this bro
2. Should be has vagina muscle training. As this bro said she cannot feel anything.
3. Should be willing not using too much lube
4. Should be have pse mix gfe style. Because he exposed to porn which is the move a bit hard to perform by girl sometimes. Maybe he will get more aroused by the move. While the gfe style make his mind more relax.
5. Non smoking girl, and no bad mouth odour.

These are the list that I can think of based on his post. Feel free if anyone want to add something.

[GoldfishMan]

That's a good improvement, gimmesome, but still no cigar.

I have a piece of advice which may be a bit "leftfield". Try to procure some Viagra / Kamagra (they're the same thing) and take a very very small dose (eg. 25 mg) before your next punt. There's a thread on this forum about buying it, check that out.

What this will do is it minimises the dependency on your brain to maintain a good erection. Hopefully this will allow you to fuck to completion before you start getting soft.

Of course the best thing to do is to get a real GF and experience real love making.

[TwiceAweek]

Try this technique with MLs only if you have some rapport...

Simulated BBFS. You can try this in different positions, doggy and mish work well so you can grab onto tits and ass. While in position the ML grips your cock close to her pussy (lotion required) and you thrust away at your own pace while tricking yourself into thinking your gonna creampie her when actually you just nut on her belly.

It feels sexy and dangerous while you're both somehow in control of what's happening. Sometimes ML gets really into it and wants grind your know on her clit. She gets off and you get a pussy slide.

Even if the ML is not your type or worse, you get to close your eyes and grind on anyone in your imagination...after all we're all just borrowing friction from a stranger.

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[Wotan]

This is all so analytical. It beats me how many of you actually connect or ‘click’ with anyone. I think it’s possible that for most potential girlfriends who come in contact with the OP, he would come across as just too much hard work. I respectfully and non-judgmentally suggest that you share this issue with a GP or psychologist and get referred to a good sex therapist. You could probably get the ball rolling by sharing some of what you have posted here. The bottom line is that a good, full life requires emotional as well as physical sustenance.

[Stefana]

Just a side thought bro , but have you thought of a career change to being a porn star 😂

[gimmesome]

1. Should be above average face, I know beauty is in the eyes of beholder, but this will help this bro
2. Should be has vagina muscle training. As this bro said she cannot feel anything.
3. Should be willing not using too much lube
4. Should be have pse mix gfe style. Because he exposed to porn which is the move a bit hard to perform by girl sometimes. Maybe he will get more aroused by the move. While the gfe style make his mind more relax.
5. Non smoking girl, and no bad mouth odour.

Thanks for making a list. So far my only real desire and difference between good and bad punts in terms of picking ladies is appearance (face, age, slim) and smoking. Not so sure how much 2, 3 and 4 would help but willing to try.

[TwiceAweek]

Just a side thought bro , but have you thought of a career change to being a porn star [emoji23]Me or the OP?

Pretty sure @gimmesome situation is the plot of a JAV porno.... young guy, bit picky, frustrated he can't get a load off so he dabbles in titty bars and rentals without luck.

Spoiler alert [emoji3544]

His caring mother gives him the wildest bareback fuck of the century and he sprays her down like she was on fire [emoji91]

I have hope for @gimmesome...

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[gimmesome]

That's a good improvement, gimmesome, but still no cigar.

I have a piece of advice which may be a bit "leftfield". Try to procure some Viagra / Kamagra (they're the same thing) and take a very very small dose (eg. 25 mg) before your next punt. There's a thread on this forum about buying it, check that out.

What this will do is it minimises the dependency on your brain to maintain a good erection. Hopefully this will allow you to fuck to completion before you start getting soft.

Of course the best thing to do is to get a real GF and experience real love making.

Hmm not sure Viagra/Kamagra will help a huge amount. Lately I've managed to stay hard while penetrating at least. I guess I could be harder still? I'll have a look, would prefer if I can find more "legit" sources and reduce the risk of taking something dodgy.

Yeah would love a real GF but again not really sure how to go about that. Maybe joining a sport? I haven't tried that yet. Could push myself to try solo pick up at night clubs or bar but that seems pretty far out of my comfort zone or experience.

[gimmesome]

Try this technique with MLs only if you have some rapport...

Simulated BBFS. You can try this in different positions, doggy and mish work well so you can grab onto tits and ass. While in position the ML grips your cock close to her pussy (lotion required) and you thrust away at your own pace while tricking yourself into thinking your gonna creampie her when actually you just nut on her belly.

Ha thanks TwiceAweek. Sounds fun. If I can get a chance I might see if I can get an ML to let me do intercrural.

[gimmesome]

This is all so analytical. It beats me how many of you actually connect or ‘click’ with anyone. I think it’s possible that for most potential girlfriends who come in contact with the OP, he would come across as just too much hard work. I respectfully and non-judgmentally suggest that you share this issue with a GP or psychologist and get referred to a good sex therapist. You could probably get the ball rolling by sharing some of what you have posted here. The bottom line is that a good, full life requires emotional as well as physical sustenance.
Thanks for the advice but not really sure what you mean by "analytical" or how being analytical is a problem or a bad thing and also not sure it's something to be "corrected".

[gimmesome]

Just a side thought bro , but have you thought of a career change to being a porn star ��

lol. I might have some trouble staying hard for duration of the filming or doing cum shot scenes :shout:

[gimmesome]

Me or the OP?

Pretty sure @gimmesome situation is the plot of a JAV porno.... young guy, bit picky, frustrated he can't get a load off so he dabbles in titty bars and rentals without luck.

Spoiler alert [emoji3544]

His caring mother gives him the wildest bareback fuck of the century and he sprays her down like she was on fire [emoji91]

I have hope for @gimmesome...

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You're fking wild man :shout:

[gimmesome]

Also had another pretty bad punt with a WL today. Will do the write up when I have time.

[TwiceAweek]

All in good fun mate. We're rooting for you [emoji106]

Literally

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[tawer5ag]

Just saw this thread and only read the ops first post.

But i had the same issue with my first time.
A friend ive been flirting with offered to take my virginity at my mid to o late 20s.

Had a half chub the whole time.
And never even came close to finishing.
Which i could attribute to two main things.
The girl was a little more on the plus size than what i prefer.
And i accidentally came in the shower, the day before the deed.
Happened when i was first trying out wearing a condom. Was just too tight, haha.


My solution?
Tried going to rnts and brothels.
Tried each of them once.
Both times, i never had a raging boner for more than 8 seconds.
Which made it a bit hard for fs.

Those two times, the girls were both very amazing, my type.
I came, even just a few seconds after the very lovely wl hopped on me in cg.
However, the mls cbj was not really doing it for me, so i had to imagine a few stuff, which helped me finish.
Both times only came once and couldnt get hard again.
Which imo, cumming too quick and not being able to get hard again for the 1 hr session, which was less than 15 mins of play.

Wanting to get more experience and try more girls, i decided that i want to get more out of the session than my first ml and wl sessions.

Ended up getting kamagara jel, even before getting prescription viagra.
And ive never looked back since.

Ensures that i dont have to worry about keeping my erection up.
And it is even harder than when i tried really hard to keep an erection without the medicine.

I usually am okay finishing once during an hour session.
But ive been able to finish 3 times in an hour.
Once per hour, for 3 consecutive hours.


Not worrying about the erection helped me in being able to concentrate on what turns me on and what turns the lady on as well.

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[Wotan]

You just about answer your own question, but you can’t see it for yourself. Step back a bit. Nothing needs to be corrected.

https://medium.com/curious/6-problems-that-analytical-people-face-51e5f67de9c0

[PKING2]

Bro gimmesome
I approved you to see the wl that I pmed you.

I will explained it later. She fucked me real good today lol

[Stefana]

Me or the OP?

Pretty sure @gimmesome situation is the plot of a JAV porno.... young guy, bit picky, frustrated he can't get a load off so he dabbles in titty bars and rentals without luck.

Spoiler alert [emoji3544]

His caring mother gives him the wildest bareback fuck of the century and he sprays her down like she was on fire [emoji91]

I have hope for @gimmesome...

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It was meant for OP
Haha , although I do find your porno plot line very intriguing 😄

[Stefana]

lol. I might have some trouble staying hard for duration of the filming or doing cum shot scenes :shout:

Haha , good luck bro
Hope you find the right one to help you out in these "hard" times 😂

[TwiceAweek]

Had my booking at N5M with T Naomi today stuffed up. Booked a few days ago no worries. Turn up and the host was like she doesn't work today!

I took a look at the line up, nothing grabbed me by the cock. Paula looked ok, but I really wanna confirm the hype on Naomi.

Anyway, way off topic except now I can't cum today either [emoji17]

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[Meng]

Had my booking at N5M with T Naomi today stuffed up. Booked a few days ago no worries. Turn up and the host was like she doesn't work today!

I took a look at the line up, nothing grabbed me by the cock. Paula looked ok, but I really wanna confirm the hype on Naomi.

Anyway, way off topic except now I can't cum today either [emoji17]

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How many days ahead did you book?


Like I understand booking a day ahead for popular girls who get booked out as soon as the rosters appear but booking days ahead, a shop couldn't with 100% certainty determine that the girl will work that day. Don't most post confirmed rosters the night before. Even then a girl could just smoke bomb.

[PKING2]

Had my booking at N5M with T Naomi today stuffed up. Booked a few days ago no worries. Turn up and the host was like she doesn't work today!

I took a look at the line up, nothing grabbed me by the cock. Paula looked ok, but I really wanna confirm the hype on Naomi.

Anyway, way off topic except now I can't cum today either [emoji17]

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You need to go home bro, last Sunday as well, I didn't book. But k miyu was available after I msg them, rock up there, the customer wants to extends. Saw Christine, but she not my type, so I just went home lol.

[TwiceAweek]

Booked on Tuesday for a Thursday session so not excessively early IMO.

Even still, if she doesn't regularly work that day just tell me which days and I'll work with that.

Better again, if a mistake was made (happens to the best of us) just msg back and say so before I trek out and waste an afternoon.

It's all good though, I wasn't salty. I parked myself at the Bob Hawke pub down the road for a few hours with mates for giggle.

Has to be said, the staff were genuinely apologetic and the manager girl came after me when left the building to make sure I was OK and to apologise.

The build up to slobbering over these F cups is immense!

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[cuteguy]

Had my booking at N5M with T Naomi today stuffed up. Booked a few days ago no worries. Turn up and the host was like she doesn't work today!

I took a look at the line up, nothing grabbed me by the cock. Paula looked ok, but I really wanna confirm the hype on Naomi.

Anyway, way off topic except now I can't cum today either [emoji17]

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Mate you seemed very keen or horny to see Naomi if you made a booking a few days early. How would you know if she was working a few days later when N5M doesnt post weekly rosters as Kyoto206 or Sakura?

[gimmesome]

As usual, not an AR but feel free to PM if you want details.

#5, Rushed K WL
This was a punt with a different K WL from the same agency as the K Model WL from my first punt.

Prelude:
So after my pleasant but not completely successful punt with the Slim T ML (#4) I was feeling optimistic for my next punt, looking to wait a bit for tension to recover but otherwise keeping an eye out to for rarer punts with highly recommended or otherwise appealing WLs that work less often. There was this other K WL at the same agency as the K Model WL (#1) I went with for my first punt that was recommended by mamasan and seemed to have some interest around her (but no proper ARs) but she doesn't work "full time" and so is only available somewhat rarely. Her profile didn't have any major red flags though the only picture of her didn't really show much. Previous times she'd been available she was also at an agency location far away from me. So when I saw she was available that day at a nearby location I made a booking for that afternoon keen to not waste the chance.

The Girl
Age: She looked at least late 20s to me. Not really shining youth but definitely not old. Her profile had early 20s
Face: 5/10. Average, slightly chubby Korean face. Not pretty but not particularly bad either. Definitely not model like or as good as #1 and significantly lower than indicated by the photo.
Figure: 4/10. Short (average Asian woman size) <160cm. Not particularly good proportions, short legs. Most notably she had a bit of a flabby stomach. Not that I would call her "fat" but she not nicely, aesthetically distributed plumpness in a "curvy" way and also didn't look to me like post-prego loose skin but she had flabby fat and skin on her stomach.
Boobs: C+ 6/10. Probably the biggest boobs yet, natural. Nothing particularly nice or special for me though, not perky but not particularly saggy.
Ass: 5/10. Pretty average, nothing of note.
Communication: 6/10. Her English seemed a bit limited but no major trouble communicating what we were doing.
Service: 6/10. Pretty good skills. I think her BBBJ and HJ were pretty good. CG was alright but need to take some points off for rushing.

As with my first punt, arrived at the apartment and was let in. Said hello to the lady and handed over the cash. Firstly notice her face isn't the greatest but she does seem to have bigger boobs. Enter the bed room and get undressed. Thats when she takes off her dress and I see her flabby tummy for the first time, hmmm not great but hopefully we can work with it. I don't feel particularly turned on having a perv at her body. Into the bathroom for mouth wash and shower. She gives me a rub down but it's not nearly as nice as #1. Gets me kinda to half chub but not feeling particularly aroused by the lady or her service at this point. I go back to the bedroom and dry off while she finished her own shower.

By the time she comes in I'm completely soft again. She starts off with some caressing my body and my groin along with some nipple licking and sucking. I think I'm actually starting to feel ok with a bit of nipple play but sometimes she also suck a bit hard and I find it kinda painful. I'm semi-hard and she starts rubbing me with her tits, this is particularly hot and feels pretty nice too. Unfortunately it doesn't last particularly long and she moves on to BBBJ. She a pretty nice BBBJ not like the first WL with teeth and a lot of stopping to wipe off precum. Really nice and slow. Holding it in her mouth and really rubbing me hard with her tongue. It's pretty nice stimulation but as pretty much always so far, maybe good enough to get me harder but not anywhere near enough to make me cum. I notice she's also in a bit of a weird position which hides most of her body, kneeling on the floor with her body bent over and lying on the bed, maybe more comfortable for her or maybe she was trying to hide that stomach?

After quite a long BBBJ we move onto sex. I ask her to try being on top first. She rubbers me up and applies some lube (first lady to actually use lube right way) then mounts me. She arches her back to stretch out her belly so I at least don't have to watch her flabby tummy bouncing around lol. Her vagina doesn't really feel like anything different which is to say isn't really getting me off but it does feel a bit more pleasurable than previous times. She tries out this and that, squatting, kneeling, grinding none of which get me particularly closer to cumming and once she gets tired she lets me take over. I start off in missionary for a while and try a few different things out, again nothing feeling particularly good. She wraps her legs around me a bit moaning but it's not that arousing coming from her. I start getting tired of that and move to doggy. I notice again this position tends to feel a bit nicer and I can feel a bit more tightness. I think I can even actually feel a bit of pleasure. After a while I try changing things a bit, using different angles playing near the entrance more which feels a bit nicer. However while I'm going at it an alarm goes off. A few moments later she asks me "can you please try cum"? Well no shit I'm trying.

Doing doggy was feeling good but not enough to make me cum in the next 5 min. So I pull out and ask for HJ. She start jerking me off vigorously, too vigorously it makes it kind of painful and being rushed too I lose the boner which I had maintained from the start of touching to that point (~30min). I was about I suggest she let me FIV while I jerk off but she say oh no out of time, she has another booking today and rushes me off to shower and get dressed. I comply and give myself a quick wash, get dressed and leave.

After thoughts
I think her service, particularly with her BBBJ and HJ was better than previous ladies, so as advertised there. Her service was higher tier but that's really pulled back down by the rushing at the end. I guess maybe the mamasan was a bit concerned I was a time hog due to going over time last time without cumming and also asking if they'd still provide the discount they offered last time (they didn't honour it and said it wasn't the girl's problem) so maybe mamasan gave some instruction to the WL or something? Again though, the biggest negative of the experience was not finding the WL physically attractive, less so the service and rushing.

Good to get some more experience with different WL but not really enjoyable and no real progress or new outcomes a a result of the punt so not a good one.

Next Steps
So still need to get onto trying out some personal recommendations from brothers. I'm thinking taking a trip out to N5M might be worthwhile, otherwise there are also more recommendations at Ginza but I've been burned a bit there once already. Given how much visual stimulus (hot girl) seems to be important to me I'm thinking maybe going more towards PSE with a hot girl might be better?

If the next punt I'm still having issues and the girl isn't the problem then I think I'll definitely want to visit the GP and get a referral to a specialist. Some recommendations and experience with ED medication has been given but I'm not too keen to go running out trying to get those without a prescription. I've got a family history of heart issues and I also already have pretty low blood pressure normally so probably don't want to just go out and use ED medication without proper medical assessment. Many gels and tablets also seem to include active ingredients for premature ejaculation and making my ejaculation even more delayed is probably the last thing I want.

I'll also make a note here as I have before but more clearly, some brothers seem to have taken to punting to try self-medicate for sexual dysfunction and other issues. In my case however, my goal getting into punting was to enjoy punting and these issues have been discovered as a result of wanting to go punting. This is NOT I have issues and I'm trying to over come them by punting. My overarching goal here is the have some good punts but in order to do so I need to overcome these issues. None the less there ARE issues and if they aren't getting resolved with what I can do with myself and WLs then I clearly need to get some additional professional help.

Cheers. As always, keen to hear thoughts, advice and recommendations.

TL;DR
Not a great punt. Service was a bit better than others so far but it ended being rushed with no happy ending. The biggest minus of the punt for me though was her flabby belly and overall not finding her particularly physically attractive.

[gimmesome]

Bro gimmesome
I approved you to see the wl that I pmed you.

I will explained it later. She fucked me real good today lol
Nice. Thanks for looking out for me lol.


Haha , good luck bro
Hope you find the right one to help you out in these "hard" times 😂
Yeah here's hoping. Cheers.


All in good fun mate. We're rooting for you [emoji106]

Literally
Yeah, thanks for the support mate it's good to have. :shout:

[gimmesome]

Ended up getting kamagara jel, even before getting prescription viagra.
And ive never looked back since.

Ensures that i dont have to worry about keeping my erection up.
And it is even harder than when i tried really hard to keep an erection without the medicine.

I usually am okay finishing once during an hour session.
But ive been able to finish 3 times in an hour.
Once per hour, for 3 consecutive hours.


Not worrying about the erection helped me in being able to concentrate on what turns me on and what turns the lady on as well.


Hey tawer5ag. Thanks for taking the time to share your own experience. Though I guess I have the opposite problem of not being able to cum at all with any MLs or WLs :cry:

With the recommendation to try medication, it's something I've heard from a few brothers now. I've looked into it and thought about it as explained in my #5 post and I think before I do that, the proper thing to do (and likely more effective thing to do) is directly seek qualified medical help.

Thanks again for your support and sharing your own experience,

[TwiceAweek]

Mate you seemed very keen or horny to see Naomi if you made a booking a few days early. How would you know if she was working a few days later when N5M doesnt post weekly rosters as Kyoto206 or Sakura?? I msgd and asked if I can book with her on Thursday. They said yes, see you then...

There's no black magic in this story.

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[GoldfishMan]

Yeah, better get medical advice for the ED meds, but I’ll have to warn you, you will most likely not get a script for it based on your age and more importantly your “condition” (can get hard but cannot cum). Once you say you can get a hard-on enough to have sex, case closed, no meds for you.

The medicos will never delve into the fact that you can’t cum because you can’t sustain the “good feeling” long enough to get there. Good luck!

[gimmesome]

Yeah, better get medical advice for the ED meds, but I’ll have to warn you, you will most likely not get a script for it based on your age and more importantly your “condition” (can get hard but cannot cum). Once you say you can get a hard-on enough to have sex, case closed, no meds for you.

The medicos will never delve into the fact that you can’t cum because you can’t sustain the “good feeling” long enough to get there. Good luck!

As long as they can help find a "cure" all good!

[alc]

Taking a punt (hah) at the OPs issue...

I think the issue you're having is you haven't figured out what you're looking for from a sexual experience. The thing about going to WL and ML is that you're effectively going there to get a service. When they get a customer who doesn't try to run the session or doesn't provide feedback and build chemistry, they fall back to their routine and you end up receiving sex, rather than having sex.

Without first figuring out what you want, you're probably not going to be in a position to run the session in a way that works for you. In being on the receiving end of someone's routine, you're probably not going to get something that matches what you had in mind.

Maybe if you detail the girl that you picture in your mind and some sort of experience you're looking for, we can help figure out a lady who would be patient and amenable to working out your preferred experience. I get this may be a little too intimate to share here but I reckon it could work.

[PKING2]

Finally, shit I am so emotional like a father who finally heard his son successfully punt lol, I will let him do the report when he is ready.

But congratulations for you son!

[gimmesome]

Finally, shit I am so emotional like a father who finally heard his son successfully punt lol, I will let him do the report when he is ready.

But congratulations for you son!

Wow bro spoilers lol.

Had a good punt finally. Will post report soon.

[PKING2]

Wow bro spoilers lol.

Had a good punt finally. Will post report soon.

Bro you are a topic in beef noodle soup alliance, we want to help you to overcome lol

[cuteguy]

There are many guys who are on medications for hair loss. It's not older men who are using such tablets. Many young guys are using it to keep their hair rather than go bald. However, there can be side effects. It can affect sex drive and sperm. It may cause erectile dysfunction or inability to get it up. In addition, if you're planning to have kids with your partner, it's recommended you go off the medications for a few months to get your partner pregnant.

[PKING2]

There are many guys who are on medications for hair loss. It's not older men who are using such tablets. Many young guys are using it to keep their hair rather than go bald. However, there can be side effects. It can affect sex drive and sperm. It may cause erectile dysfunction or inability to get it up. In addition, if you're planning to have kids with your partner, it's recommended you go off the medications for a few months to get your partner pregnant.

He is not like that lol, he got this death grip syndrome. But 2 noodles bros help him to overcome lol

[tawer5ag]

He is not like that lol, he got this death grip syndrome. But 2 noodles bros help him to overcome lolDamm, curious how they helped him overcome it?

At one point i was worried i had that as well.
But now, i think my issue is that im much less sensitive on my lil bro.

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[PKING2]

Damm, curious how they helped him overcome it?

At one point i was worried i had that as well.
But now, i think my issue is that im much less sensitive on my lil bro.

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-edited - better him to report it by himself.


For sensitivity, stop wank, watch porn, touching for 2 -4weeks. Your sensitivity will reset, and go to a girl, or if you want to wank use very plenty lube and doing it very slowly and soft. To simulate vagina muscle or mouth muscle

[gimmesome]

Seeing as this was a good punt and this girl has already been well recommended elsewhere on the forum it might be ok to put the name down but I might do that as part of a separate, proper AR. As with my previous reports in this thread, this is more focusing on my own "problems" and experience than trying to share an AR.

#6, Strong Pussy V WL

Prelude:
2 weeks ago I had my last disappointing punt with the not so pretty and rushed #5 K WL and I was wondering where to go next. I was thinking there might be some pretty girls at a different brothel worth trying but I had some private discussion with PKING: before I try anything else I should try this WL with an excellent reputation for a cum draining pussy with his own experience to back it up. I'd been burning through punts and cash a bit quickly of late and rushing into another less than excellent punt seemed foolish. I had some more correspondence with PKING and I was convinced to give her a go before trying anything else. So I waited for a week before she showed up on the roster again but unfortunately the days she was on the roster I was working hard and working late so no opportunity to see her. Another week passed and and this Monday was a long weekend. Fortunately for me, she was still working and I was able to make a booking.

So for the past 2 weeks since my previous punt (#5) I've been keeping away from porn or sexually arousing material in general as well as abstaining from masturbating at all. At the same time work has been really busy and stressful. The 2 days of long weekend before this punt weren't much rest either, travelling out of Sydney to see family and doing lots of walking around. The day of the punt was pretty full as well, travelling back to Sydney in the morning, meeting up with an old mate for lunch and walking around exploring to some places in the city all afternoon before finally having my punt at the end of the day, last time slot for the WLs shift. Before I even got to the punt I was already feeling pretty exhausted and not particularly horny. Even making the booking I felt like I was doing it more out of obligation for a previously made plan and not particularly excited to be making the booking. I was feeling a bit like continuing to try punting wasn't even worth it.

I made it to the brothel a bit late but it seems the WL was having her "rest period" after her last customer still so I was sat in the waiting room for some 15 minutes. That gave me a bit of time to rest a bit myself but still I was feeling exhausted and not very excited. I tried looking at some hentai on my phone to get me into a mood a bit more. It got me sorta hard but I was still not feeling very excited or horny at all. Papasan knocks on the waiting room door and directs me to the room where the WL is waiting.

The Girl:
Age: Late 20s appearance, profile says 23 but her history of reviews would indicate that's not likely.
Face: 7/10. Decently pretty, much better than some previous punts but not to the level of being out standing. Vietnamese face with fairly sharp features.
Figure: 7/10. Shortish ~160cm. Decent proportion. Overall pretty nice toned body. No 6 pack abs but decently slim tummy. Large tattoo on back.
Boobs: A 6/10. Quite flat. Not as perky as that #4 T ML and a little bit asymmetrical, nothing bad or off putting but nothing great either
Ass: 7/10. Good. Decently toned, nice n smooth but not huge or otherwise special.
Communication: 8/10. Her English seemed a bit limited and her accent made her a bit difficult to understand for me at times but her conversation felt more pleasant and less awkward than previous MLs. Communication about what we were doing and what felt good was on point too.
Service: 9/10. By far her most outstanding trait was her incredible service. Very attentive and vocal in her commitment to service. Her BBBJ and HJ was good but the way she used her pussy was incredible. By far the very best service I've had so far.

The session:
Coming into the room and seeing the lady for the first time, relief. She looks pretty good, not knock me off my feet pretty but definitely not off putting in anyway. As it was put to me by PKING "the more you look at her, the more you like her" much better than the 3 previous bad punts (#2, #3 and #5). As described above small tits but overall a nice fairly fit body. Her face looks decently pretty and fairly young too, not past late 20s; if anything the profile pictures under sell her a great deal. She starts small talk and immediately affirms her commitment to me for excellent, top effort service even if I am the last customer of the day. I get undressed and get in the shower. She also undresses and helps me shower. Things aren't looking good to begin with down stairs. As mentioned above it's been a long day and I'm a bit tired and not feeling particularly horny. Just seeing her naked and a bit of light touching in the shower I'm still completely soft. No one has quite given me as good shower service as #1 but I guess it's a relatively minor part of the experience.

I get out of the shower and dry off then wait on the bed. The room isn't particularly warm so I'm a bit cold and shivering a little. She's very attentive and notices my discomfort, turning on the heater up nice and toasty for me and in the mean while she comes over to me and starts warming me up with her body. Her English and accent is less than perfect but her conversation is good, comforting and naturally flowing with surprisingly very little awkwardness. Feeling the warmth and softness of her body embracing me and warming me up really helps me relax and get more comfortable and also starts turning me on. She asks me to start playing with her tits and licking her nipples and I oblige. Getting warmed up and playing with her body starts getting me hard.

After a few minutes spent licking and sucking on her tits she moves to give me BBBJ, positioning herself lying down beside me so I can see and play with her pussy. I ask her to come closer so we move to 69. I use my fingers to explore and play with her pussy at first. I didn't have plans to DATY but caught in the flow I start licking her. A couple of times she starts moaning a lot and stops her BJ, a couple of times her BJ is really hard and I stop DATY. (In retrospect maybe she was trying to give me a message? lol) After a couple of minutes of 69 we stop and she puts the condom on and asks me what position I'd like.

I'm feeling tired and I'd also like her to be free to do her thing so I ask her for Cowgirl. She inserts me into her and starts riding me. Unlike the other WLs she starts off leaning over with her body against mine instead of sitting straight up, I find this much nicer stimulation on my dick to begin with and feeling her body on mine is nice too (when I have a boner my dick points straight up and parallel to my body not so much perpendicularly out so maybe that's why this position is better for me?). I don't think her pussy feels particularly "tighter" but I do think it feels more stimulating than other ladies. Unlike other ladies where there's mostly tightness around just the entrance, it feels more like her entire pussy is hugging my dick all the way through. The way she moves her hips and positions herself is really skilful and attentive too, some ladies take positions which I guess look nice or maybe feel better for them but are a bit uncomfortable for me. This lady however really pays attention to what I'm feeling and pumps my dick really well. I also did a bit of DFK and this time she didn't taste like cigarettes! but the kissing itself wasn't that interesting so I stopped after a bit. I actually feel the pleasure building up and for the first time whilst having sex, actually getting closer to cumming. I probably could have held on and lasted longer but I really didn't want to end up blue balled again so I let myself steam roll straight into climax and I came in her pussy after some 10min of CG. As I cum she seems to know just when to keep pumping and when to stop to really maximise the pleasure (that was really incredible and surprising). Finally, I had my punting "cherry" popped properly.

There is still some 30 min left in the session. She lies down and chats with me while waiting for me to recover for another round. I'm feeling even more tired and a bit sleepy now. We chat for a while mostly about health and fitness, she talks about her fitness routine and how she is proud of the exercise she does and supplements she takes to give her excellent stamina and ability to service. She also admonishes me to eat more and enjoy food so I'm less skinny lol. After 10 min I ask her if we can try go again. She takes initiative to try get me hard again with a blow job. After a while of the being not so successful she moves to try getting me hard with a HJ which actually feels quite good but that doesn't have much success getting me properly hard either. So I suggest for the remaining time we can relax a bit and she can give me a normal massage.

So for the next 15 min it's like I'm in a RnT getting part one. Nice and relaxing for sure though, I almost fell asleep. The end of time buzzer goes off so end of massage then I'm into the shower cleaning myself off then drying up and getting dressed.

After Thoughts:
So there it is. It took about 4 weeks of no fap, no porn and 5 unsuccessful punts and I've finally been able to cum once. A great relief physically and mentally. I think a lot of credit to the WL though. She was decently attractive and she did some incredible service. Despite being in a really poor state physically and mentally going into the punt it was still "successful". I certainly didn't go into the session feeling more energetic or horny compared to previous punts, despite the extended no fap. If anything I think the lack of any sexual stimulation was starting to make me generally uninterested in sex (apart from when I wake up at night with a raging boner lol) but that might also just be due to high levels of stress and fatigue. So again, I feel like a lot of credit to the WL here. I think perhaps if I had her as a second punt after just 2 weeks for no fap and no porn then the outcome would have been success as well but I definitely wouldn't have appreciated it as much.

I also noticed the spotty rash on my chest again after coming home from the punt so I think that confirms whatever disinfecting body soap it is they use (Dettol I think?) causes me skin irritation so I'll have to ask they use a different soap or just makes sure I go straight home and have a proper shower immediately which probably is a good idea anyway.

Next Steps:
So the barrier has been broken and hopefully better punting has been unlocked but I'm still not 100% sure I'm "fixed" just yet. I at least know I can cum from real sex now but it remains to be seen if I can cum with a more "regular" WL and it would be really great to be able to cum multiple times in a session like I can when I masturbated. The conditions going into this punt were really less than ideal but pressure (and anxiety) is off to an extent now so I hope to take my time to make sure the next punt I'm well rested and feeling good. I'm thinking of trying a different brothel and some different girls, exploring what's out there and seeing what I like.

As always, would love to hear people's thoughts, tips, advice, recommendations etc.

Also a big thanks to all the brothers that have given their support and advice to me. I wouldn't have made it without you. I already mentioned PKING but all the beef noodle soup alliance brothers have been really supportive and I can't thank them enough as well as all the others that have reached out to lend their support.

This isn't the end though, hopefully just the beginning. With the barrier broken at least once, here's hoping my future punts will be a lot better.

TL;DR
After 4 weeks and 5 bad punts I came! Credit to the WL though, her pussy and cowgirl was top tier.

[gimmesome]

There are many guys who are on medications for hair loss. It's not older men who are using such tablets. Many young guys are using it to keep their hair rather than go bald. However, there can be side effects. It can affect sex drive and sperm. It may cause erectile dysfunction or inability to get it up. In addition, if you're planning to have kids with your partner, it's recommended you go off the medications for a few months to get your partner pregnant.

Don't worry I'm not on any of that type of medication. In the past I've taken Zoloft (a type of SSRI, anti-depression medication) which really affects sexual function but I haven't been on it in years. I'm not on any medications at all right now.

[gimmesome]

Taking a punt (hah) at the OPs issue...

I think the issue you're having is you haven't figured out what you're looking for from a sexual experience. The thing about going to WL and ML is that you're effectively going there to get a service. When they get a customer who doesn't try to run the session or doesn't provide feedback and build chemistry, they fall back to their routine and you end up receiving sex, rather than having sex.

Without first figuring out what you want, you're probably not going to be in a position to run the session in a way that works for you. In being on the receiving end of someone's routine, you're probably not going to get something that matches what you had in mind.

Maybe if you detail the girl that you picture in your mind and some sort of experience you're looking for, we can help figure out a lady who would be patient and amenable to working out your preferred experience. I get this may be a little too intimate to share here but I reckon it could work.

Yeah I don't think you're wrong. I don't really know what I want so I'm mostly just going along with it and seeing how I feel. I've detailed what I was looking for going in and what I've tried in my previous punts report posts so far and other brothers have responded and given their advice which has lead to where we are now.

[PKING2]

Congratulations son! Lol

Stop masturbation or porn for a while, and if you feel horny go to a wl. It might be will become a permanent solution. But it will be take a long run, don't expect it will be fixed instantly. I think based on my experiences, will take 2 - 3 months. But every person different.

And the most important one. From now. If you masturbate, do it slowly and light. Not fast and hard. Use lube from now on. To train your brain, that is how sex feel should be. Because regular girl's vagina and mouth, will not have that same grip strength.

Anyway glad that finally works lol

[Aloscha]

Good work bro. I know PKing felt as proud and happy as a father seeing his son achieve greatness.

[tawer5ag]

Damm, i recently did something similar.

No shop visits and no ejaculation.

But i was still edging myself multiple times a day.

After 2 weeks, went to see an ml and when i was about to finish. I asked if i can cum on her tummy while doing standing missionary on the edge of the table.

Ended up cumming so hard it became cof. [emoji1787]

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[cuteguy]

Damm, i recently did something similar.

No shop visits and no ejaculation.

But i was still edging myself multiple times a day.

After 2 weeks, went to see an ml and when i was about to finish. I asked if i can cum on her tummy while doing standing missionary on the edge of the table.

Ended up cumming so hard it became cof. [emoji1787]

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I bet the ML didn't appreciate cum on her face. Did you give extra tip for the unexpected ending?

[Aloscha]

Looking forward to OP's next adventures and successes.

[gimmesome]

As always not meant to be an AR but more a report on how things are going with my "issues". Not necessarily the best punt so don't really want to write an AR but people in the know can probably imply who the WL is from the title alone but feel free to PM me if looking for intel.

#7, Petite Mute C WL

Prelude:
Not too much to elaborate on this time. I was feeling alright after my last punt (#6) but a bit apprehensive my issue was not fully resolved and it might have been a fluke. I thought it might be a good plan trying to pick a smaller WL and therefore smaller/tighter pussy. I was also looking to visit the much better regarded N5M and check out the establishment. First choice was booked out first day I tried making a booking. Second day trying to make a booking first choice was booked out again despite contacting mamasan within an hour of roster release (must be popular!) so went with 2nd choice who also is also very small, has some decent reviews and good looking photos/profile. Booked an hour during lunch period. 4 nights since previous punt.

Arriving at N5M; seems pretty busy! Ran into 4 other customers while I was there: one entering at the same time, one inside the corridor (working something out with mamasan) and another entering whilst I was leaving. Mamasan showed me and the other customer to (separate) waiting rooms then a 15 min wait before I was shown to a room. The rooms seem much nicer (and newer) than 479 Ginza.

The Girl:
Age: Early 30s appearance. Not particularly old looking but not that young either.
Face: 5/10. Chinese, not my type, kinda wide and flat but maybe to the liking of others.
Figure: 6/10. Very short <150cm. Very short legs and extremely small feet. Not the best proportions. Tummy a tiny bit flabby and stretched. Photos seem either fake or heavily shopped but they didn't really show much anyway.
Boobs: A 6/10. Small but still a little deflated looking.
Ass: 5/10. On the small side, a little lumpy and flat.
Communication: 6/10. Her being unable to speak or hear was more of a barrier than I anticipated. Having to stop and pull out a phone or otherwise try get her attention and make gestures really didn't help the flow but was able to manage still
Service: 7/10. Pretty good service overall though. Not the best but still quite good.

WL comes in and my first thoughts are: hmmm that face isn't really my type, looks a bit older and wow she is really short. Sitting down a bit of introduction/small talk via google translate then into the shower. Going into the shower I was fully hard but while messing around with the shower and waiting for her I lost my boner. She helped give me a wash and brought the mouth wash, pretty average shower service. I did a bit of DFK. She then also gave me a BBBJ while in the shower, which wasn't the most pleasant because standing there wet was a bit cold. Dried off and on to the bed. By then I was fully soft again.

A bit more clumsy small talk on using google translate. She asked me to not be nervous and if it was my first time so I guess I must look pretty green and awkward still. She did some B2B massage and cat bath which got me going again. I also did a bit more DFK. Not sure if she was just trying to do pussy slide or playing around the entrance of her pussy but she was grabbing my bare cock and sticking it around her pussy while straddling me so I though we was going to BB so I stopped her and tried gesturing to use a condom. I think it wasn't fully understood and she got off, wiped me with tissues and went to BBBJ. The BBBJ was ok, it didn't feel particularly good or at any risk of making me cum but it was enough to get me harder.

After a few mins of BBBJ I gestured for her to start the main course she cleaned me up with tissues and put on the condom. She then straddled me kneeling for some CG. Putting it in and leaning forward but quickly changing to a leaning back posture bending by dick back and pulling it down hard. I tried to move myself to to change the angle to be more comfortable for me but she reset herself back to the same position. So I gave up and let her go at it for a bit. Not longer after she changed to a squatting position leaning forward more and going much faster. This actually felt pretty good and I could feel myself getting closer to cumming. Unlike the last punt where I tried to let myself cum as soon as possible, this time I tried to hold back a bit mentally without getting her to slow down or change position. After what felt like less than 5 min of CG and about 30 min into the session I came in her pussy.

She helped take the condom off and let me rest for a bit. I was still fully hard and I felt like I might have been able to go right again though. We lay down and had some small talk for some 5 min and I started feeling a bit of that post nut sleepiness. I asked her if we could try go a second time. By then though I was completely soft. She tried BBBJ for a bit then also a HJ but that didn't really feel good or get me hard again. So I gave up on trying for a 2nd time and asked her if she could give me a back massage instead for the remaining time but it seemed like she didn't really know what to do. That's when I had the idea to get her to le me finger her.

I got her to give me a condom to put my fingers in then started playing with her pussy. I started playing with her vulva for a few min. She also started touching herself at the same time (probably trying to show me how to do it properly lol) and started grabbing my dick to jerk me off at the same time but again it didn't feel great. I then moved on to sticking my fingers inside her and exploring inside her pussy. By then she'd stopped trying to jerk me off and was grabbing the pillow and moaning as I rubbed her g-spot. That's when I got fully hard again. Noticing she excitedly got out condoms to go again but I wasn't sure there was enough time for a proper round and checked the clock, only 10 min left. I didn't really want to get started then blue balled and I also didn't want to get an extension. So I asked her if she's let me finger her for another few minutes but then she said no and got me to go shower.

I got in the shower and started cleaning myself off then she came over and helped washed me a bit too. I also washed my mouth, finished showering, drying and getting dressed at a leisurely pace before leaving.

After Thoughts:
I did cum but I don't think it was a great session overall. Mostly, I didn't find the WL very attractive. Communication was clumsy and really broke the flow, as did her constant use of tissues. Not being able to keep the flow and momentum going or just dealing/begin ok with awkward and quiet in between periods is I guess something I could do better? Not sure how though, jerking myself off while waiting? lol

The failed attempt to do a round 2 was disappointing but I can't really blame that on the lady. I think more than getting serviced with a HJ or BJ I find it much hotter to play with and explore the girl's body. I felt way more turned on fingering her pussy than I did from everything apart from her riding me CG. Maybe I should try finding a girl that's more willing to let me service her or I guess more "Dom" in proactively getting me to touch and play with her body? So far I've been mostly just letting the WL run the session which seems to result in them following their routine servicing but instead maybe I should be more assertive so I'll get to have more fun with their body?

Otherwise I might be better off going for 45 min sessions for the time being seeing as I was able to cum within 30 min in the last two punts? If I think I can go 2 rounds I might stay at 60min or maybe a bit longer. I guess I've managed to reset my sensitivity to a more "normal" level of endurance now at least.

I guess it's also a good sign with my delayed ejaculation issue that despite not feeling particularly physically attracted to the lady I was still able to cum. I do wonder if that was because she had a relatively tight pussy though? She felt kind of similar to the previous WL #6 (Ginza 479 - Dior) which I guess would indicate well above average pussy?

Next Steps:
I think next I want to try going to a WL with a more "average" pussy but hopefully still physically attractive and if I can, a WL that will let me touch her a lot. Even better might be a WL that will actively direct me on how to touch her and get her off.

As always, I welcome thoughts, advice, tips and suggestions.

TL;DR
Didn't find the WL very attractive but was still able to cum which is good? Trying to find a WL that will let me touch her a lot. Also many thoughts and questions on how I might approach and carry out a session better.

[PKING2]

As you have break the barrier, now you can look to good looking atrractive wl, to test if you have solved the problem.

[FatStache]

Hey man,

I don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who you're talking about lol. Glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't find her particularly attractive.

As you say, it's a good sign you were able to cum without being super attracted to the chick. Did you find her pussy to feel tight inside or just at the entrance? Until you get more comfortable with sex, I'd recommend seeing girls with decent communication skills (i.e. can speak English). In general, a lot of doors will open up when you're more comfortable in the room with the girl. You being at ease will put her at ease. Only experience can help that, but I'm sure there are plenty of tips to help: mine is to smile when you first greet the girl.

If you have trouble booking at N5M, just get PKING to book on your behalf. He's Marrickville royalty by now.

RE: touching, I usually do DATY or 69 and if they're getting into it, start testing the waters with a finger and see where it leads.

[gimmesome]

As you have break the barrier, now you can look to good looking atrractive wl, to test if you have solved the problem.
Yes sir!


Hey man,

I don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who you're talking about lol. Glad to see I'm not the only one who doesn't find her particularly attractive.

As you say, it's a good sign you were able to cum without being super attracted to the chick. Did you find her pussy to feel tight inside or just at the entrance? Until you get more comfortable with sex, I'd recommend seeing girls with decent communication skills (i.e. can speak English). In general, a lot of doors will open up when you're more comfortable in the room with the girl. You being at ease will put her at ease. Only experience can help that, but I'm sure there are plenty of tips to help: mine is to smile when you first greet the girl.

If you have trouble booking at N5M, just get PKING to book on your behalf. He's Marrickville royalty by now.

RE: touching, I usually do DATY or 69 and if they're getting into it, start testing the waters with a finger and see where it leads.
Happy to see you back! Thanks for the advice.

When she was first putting it in it felt pretty tight at the entrance but then decently snug inside. She did use a bit of lube. When fingering her later she felt pretty wet too.

Hopefully the next girl I'm looking at isn't too popular but we'll see lol.

Seems like DATY is the best way to get good service in return from what punters here seem to think?

[PKING2]

RE: touching, I usually do DATY or 69 and if they're getting into it, start testing the waters with a finger and see where it leads.

Yeah this is a good advice, but don't just shove your finger in. Play with her vulva while daty and try to just hovering your finger around outer vagina and sometime near the opening. As if you see the girl reaction, maybe breath heavier or trembling, push a bit your finger in while keep maintaining same move when you hovering your finger. And slowly2 insert your finger. And reach her g spot lol.

[gimmesome]

Actually I have a question, usually at the start of the session you need to shower right? I feel like I'd like to have some fun with the girl while her cloths are on and have fun undressing her before moving to shower together or other acts. Most of the time so far however I say hello to the girl then they get me to immediately get completely naked and go shower and then I'm on the bed naked. I feel like I'm missing out on an entire section of potential foreplay.

What do people normally do? Any tips? I guess you could do the shower then get dressed again and go "from the start" like that?

[FatStache]

I feel like I'd like to have some fun with the girl while her cloths are on and have fun undressing her before moving to shower together or other acts. Most of the time so far however I say hello to the girl then they get me to immediately get completely naked and go shower and then I'm on the bed naked. I feel like I'm missing out on an entire section of potential foreplay.

What do people normally do? Any tips? I guess you could do the shower then get dressed again and go "from the start" like that?

Some girls don't make you shower if you tell them you showered before coming and seem clean. For some girls, the undressing foreplay is part of their routine (wish J Rey would come back lol).

You should straight up tell the girl you wanna take it slow and undress each other first. Some will make it sensual, others will just be awkward or perfunctory but that's okay. Trial and error.

[TwiceAweek]

Actually I have a question, usually at the start of the session you need to shower right? I feel like I'd like to have some fun with the girl while her cloths are on and have fun undressing her before moving to shower together or other acts. Most of the time so far however I say hello to the girl then they get me to immediately get completely naked and go shower and then I'm on the bed naked. I feel like I'm missing out on an entire section of potential foreplay.

What do people normally do? Any tips? I guess you could do the shower then get dressed again and go "from the start" like that?My best sessions always have a decent tease and foreplay before the shower.

1. As others mentioned always come clean and sharp. I don't go as far as dressing with Italian leather shoes and shit, but at least try to look appealing enough that she'd consider fucking me on the street.

2. Enter the room with a good vibe and wash my hands straight away either in the sink if they have one or use hand sanitiser. Make sure she sees it.

Sometimes I sit on the chair if they have one and get her to straddle me. Hands on and feel her up, DFK, dry hump and grind and start peeling clothes of eachother.

Other times I take control and pin them to the wall. Again it's DFK and sliding (freshly cleaned) digits up her dress for a light finger blast.

In my experience, I always read the room and the vibe and go from there. Most girls enjoy being lead, and it probably helps keep excitement higher for her when I bring a different "playlist" compared to the several fucks she had to give before me.

Only my 2 cents

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[gimmesome]

Yeah this is a good advice, but don't just shove your finger in. Play with her vulva while daty and try to just hovering your finger around outer vagina and sometime near the opening. As if you see the girl reaction, maybe breath heavier or trembling, push a bit your finger in while keep maintaining same move when you hovering your finger. And slowly2 insert your finger. And reach her g spot lol.
Yep, will keep it in mind.


Some girls don't make you shower if you tell them you showered before coming and seem clean. For some girls, the undressing foreplay is part of their routine (wish J Rey would come back lol).

You should straight up tell the girl you wanna take it slow and undress each other first. Some will make it sensual, others will just be awkward or perfunctory but that's okay. Trial and error.
Thanks for the advice. Damn shame I missed Rey, sounds like we would have ticked a lot of my boxes.


My best sessions always have a decent tease and foreplay before the shower.

1. As others mentioned always come clean and sharp. I don't go as far as dressing with Italian leather shoes and shit, but at least try to look appealing enough that she'd consider fucking me on the street.

2. Enter the room with a good vibe and wash my hands straight away either in the sink if they have one or use hand sanitiser. Make sure she sees it.

Sometimes I sit on the chair if they have one and get her to straddle me. Hands on and feel her up, DFK, dry hump and grind and start peeling clothes of eachother.

Other times I take control and pin them to the wall. Again it's DFK and sliding (freshly cleaned) digits up her dress for a light finger blast.

In my experience, I always read the room and the vibe and go from there. Most girls enjoy being lead, and it probably helps keep excitement higher for her when I bring a different "playlist" compared to the several fucks she had to give before me.

Only my 2 cents

Great advice! thanks.

[Sswilighy]

is it stress perhaps?

[sugarless]

do you get nervous?

[gimmesome]

Probably a bit of everything (stress, nerves etc.) but I think the biggest things were just needing to stop wanking and consuming porn for a while. Last 3 punts I came so seems ok now.

[StiFFFy]

OP, I'm somewhat pressed for time, but would like to read the thread to it's entirety eventually;
Tell me, what was your porn consumption like when you first noticed you couldnt finish?
Did your tastes gradually evolve into more shocking genres?
Did you end up with death grip to self service?

[gimmesome]

OP, I'm somewhat pressed for time, but would like to read the thread to it's entirety eventually;
Tell me, what was your porn consumption like when you first noticed you couldnt finish?
Did your tastes gradually evolve into more shocking genres?
Did you end up with death grip to self service?

1. Once every night before going to sleep most nights (~30 min, cum once or twice). Occasionally longer session up to 3 hrs, cum 3 times or more (once a week).
2. Not particularly IMO. I mostly still do prefer vanilla and the same stuff I liked since late teens. Still not really into "extreme" stuff (or maybe even moderate stuff) e.g. rape, guro, cuck/NTR, degradation, tranny, midgets? Mostly just vanilla hentai with similar age girls, when I do use other more "Extreme" material is more in spite of the extreme stuff than because of it. With real people porn still vanilla, amateur and maybe "artsy" (Hegre Art?) but until recently was almost 100% hentai only. I have definitely got more "tolerant" and less easily aroused but that could also be other factors e.g. age, health, stress etc.
3. Not really sure what you mean by "to self service". I didn't really have any other options for release until recently taking up punting? I think just masturbating regularly a significant amount and also using hentai dulled my sensitivity to "normal" sexual stimulus but seems abstinence is mostly sufficient to return it to at least a "functional" level.

[StiFFFy]

Self service - Trying to describe masturbating without sounding like a prude heh.
Point 3, I'm glad to hear you've awoken to just how warping porn can be.

[StiFFFy]

All of the above is great advice, but i'll give you something to put in the back pocket to consider if all fails. Literally.

Try a prostate massage and see if that will get you to climax, its a different sensation and orgasm type all together in my experience.
There are a few MLs who can do it quite good as well.

Sampler, the OP is just starting to realise he's a sexual being.

You do realise asking him to go for a prostate massage is the equivalent of asking a good Christian man to play a sub in an SnM session when he's clearly been playing by Jesus' handbook and done nothing but missionary all his life, right?

[Joker1023]

This will be a recount of my disappointing first punt. I'll be trying to avoid identifiable info, not really meant to be an AR, more of a journal. (Feel free to PM if you'd like to exchange some info though.)

1st Punt, Korean Model WL
This is the very recent story of my first punt and first time with something other than my hand or a chunk of plastic.

Prologue
As explained in my OP, I'd been lurking and doing my research for over a month and finally had a relatively free weekend coming. I decided this was an opportunity and I wanted to seize it rather than wait for my next chance who knows when. As explained before, I was looking more towards agencies rather than a bordello, my reasoning being that going to a private apartment felt more exciting and exclusive than somewhere public that sees a lot more traffic. Actual privates seemed a bit too risky, particularly with my lack of experience. I looked for Asian girls (and agencies) since in my own experience (mostly looking at girls on dating apps) I generally found Asian (or especially mixed girls) more attractive so better chance of liking what I got even in the event she wasn't as expected, plus I always seemed to get more interest in return. I also pass the dreaded "Asians Only" restriction (hooray!) so low risk of facing rejection which seems to be a thing with a few of the higher end Asian agencies?

I'd added the contacts of some agencies with girls I had interest in for some time but hadn't contacted them yet. That Friday night I messaged agency 1 for the first time. Said hello, said that I'm interested in getting something booked for tomorrow and got directed to website roster. I got told the main girl I'm interested in is on break (despite being on the roster). A bit of communication difficulty trying to ask about some other girls on the roster. This agency was not looking too great I message agency 2 but get a response saying they're done for the day. So I give up on trying to make further arrangements for the night.

Next day around midday I try messaging both agencies again to see if I can get a booking. Agency 1 not particularly responsive. Agency 2 is better though, unfortunately the girl I was eying had disappeared from the roster; I presume due to being booked out or having stopped (probably could have asked but didn't). So instead I settled with another girl from Agency 2 which was available and located relatively close by. Not 100% my type from the pictures but not bad either. I also confirmed this agency had the policy of only 1 shot included: anymore was an extra and only available with a longer session. Not being 100% sure of the girl but also expecting that I would cum early, I decided to go with a shorter session without extras to avoid blowing my cash. Even then it was not particularly cheap (>$350, 40 min). It was a bit late to make a same day booking so I made the booking for tomorrow midday. The agent also confirmed with me this was my first time using such a service.

Footnote, Rude mama/papa-san:
I note that some people have said they had issues with the mamasan/papasan of these agencies and felt a bit of anti-non-Asian sentiment? I contacted them via Line which has my profile pic so they could probably see that I was Asian and I identified myself explicitly to agency 1 but they still came off as a bit rude. However, I don't think the rudeness was intended but more just a language barrier thing plus the mama/papa-san being a bit casual. All the communication was in English and agency 1 seemed to rely on google translate but in both cases I think they were ultimately pretty helpful and patient. I asked a load of basic beginner questions but they answered all my questions and I had some banter with Agency 1's papasan. Again, feels to me more like a lack of English skills, a causal attitude and likely them mimicking the sort of English customers use with them. Ultimately though, just speculation on my part.

The session
Sunday comes, I'm out of bed late and didn't get much sleep the night before. Not so much because I was nervous (I think) but more because my sleep cycle is complete shit. I also fapped the day before twice; as I mentioned before I was more worried ending the session early than not being able to cum at all. Anyway, on the edge of running late, I jump out of bed get dressed and and rush out without eating brunch. I speed walk my way over in 20 min. I manage to arrive on time at the apartment lobby a little sweaty but not exhausted or out of breath. I'm feeling a little tired (from the lack of sleep) and not so much nervous but "driven" with my goal to fuck this girl and have a good time.

So going in, I'm mentally feeling good trying to not get my expectations up too high but looking forward a good fuck; though physically I'm probably not in the ideal state. I open the door to the apartment and see the girl for the first time. She looks pretty good!

7/10 body. Not super slim nor fit but still fairly slim and well shaped. Pretty tall but still shorter than me.
8/10 face. "Pretty" is how I would describe it. Definitely nice and above average but no so amazing as to make me fall in love.
-C cup I'm really more of an ass man but she has some nice boobs, not really experienced enough to make an accurate judgement on boob size but I'd say a smaller C cup? On the smaller side of medium IMO.
6/10 ass. Nothing wrong, but nothing particularly interesting. Good smooth texture, soft but not particularly big.
Mid-late 20s. I felt maybe she's the same age as me or slightly older.
Her English isn't great which made communicating things a bit difficult. She often said words in Korean and sometimes Mandarin, I guess she thought I might understand?

She immediately tries talking to me in Korean which I cannot at all understand but I quickly clear up the confusion and we make a bit of small talk in broken English (I've never really been big on small talk). I hand over the cash and we move to the bed room. I try to get her so sit on the bed with me because I want to feel her body up a bit first which she awkwardly lets me for a little bit but then stops and gets us up, both naked (seeing her naked for the first time was pretty exciting) then takes me to the shower. She gives me some mouth wash then puts me in the shower. She rubs my body with soap and gives me a pretty good soapy reach around which gets me really hard then gets me to rinse off and towel off then wait for her on the bed while she does her own shower. While waiting for her on the bed I went soft. I also note she had a bite mark on one boob and on her waist (??) maybe would explain why she's not too keen being too touchy feely.

When she comes in I want to try have some cuddly foreplay but she gets me to lay down and starts giving me a BBBJ. It feels alright though I can feel her teeth scraping my dick a bit, she seems to use tissues quite a bit to wipe off saliva and pre-cum. To my surprise, it really doesn't feel that simulating, particularly in terms of what I imagined a BBBJ would feel like. It feels kinda good but nothing like it's gonna make me cum, very "soft". So I lie there for maybe 5 minutes getting my dick sucked and really I start feeling kinda bored and not fully hard. Finally she stops and puts a condom on me and asks me "you want me top or bottom?"

I opt for being her being on the bottom in missionary. This is also my first chance to get a better look at her pussy. In my curiosity I have a bit of a play with it, fingering and stroking it a bit. She makes some sounds but I'm not particularly convinced of the authenticity. When it comes time for me to put it in, between stopping the not particularly stimulating BBBJ, putting on the condom, moving into position and getting distracted seeing a real pussy for the first time I've gone soft again so she get's me to lie back done while she give me a BBBJ to get me up again then puts on another condom before getting back into missionary.

I penetrate her and it feels pretty...meh. I'd describe it as sticking my dick in a warm wet towel with a condom on. It really wasn't that stimulating, I'd say bareback into an onahole feels 10x stronger by comparison. I'm pounding her in missionary while she makes small moans which again don't feel particularly real to me but hey I probably have a distorted expectation of reality from all the hentai/porn. Looking at her boobs jiggle, looking at her face, looking where I'm thrusting into her pussy, I don't feel particularly aroused, definitely not the same way I do with porn or even my own imagination. Pumping away for a couple minutes trying to change the pace doesn't really seem to change how I feel at all (also a bit worried about going too hard), not really feeling much emotionally or physically I start feeling the boredom creeping in again. So I ask to change position.

She gets on top and starts riding me. Again, I'm not really feeling much. She tries bouncing on top as well as grinding her hips into me but to me it all feels pretty weak. So I'm just lying there starting to feel a bit bored, thinking of options to get my rocks off better. I think she starts getting tired so gets off my now fairly flaccid dick and tries getting me off in other ways.

Back to hand job, then BBBJ again (teeth still included). None of it really does anything for me. She's starting to seems a bit desperate and confused about why I'm going soft how to get me off. I suggest to her a few things: sucking harder, squeezing harder (hard enough she surprised it isn't hurting me), different techniques but again, even though its bare HJ and BJ it feels kinda meh. We try pussy slide a bit then condom back on again and back to cow girl but it's all still pretty meh. We try doggy style which I thought I would like more being an ass man but still pretty meh. I look at her, I look at us in the mirror, but again I feel pretty meh and start getting bored.

I stop and let me take care of her again. Again she seems to be getting pretty confused and flustered as to why she can't get me off. More HJ and BBBJ but I'm even less excited now than before. I also try having her on top with me thrusting up into her but again it felt pretty meh. I think I would have liked it if I could feel her body pressed against mine while I hugged her and fucked her from underneath but she kept her body arched and away from me. Again, communication was a bit difficult.

I found the most exciting (or at least the most interesting) thing for me was using my hands to play with and explore her pussy lol. She put a condom on my finger and let me finger her while I jerked off. Ultimately though we ran out of time and I didn't cum. She helped me shower again then I got dressed and left. Total time ended up being over an hour, about 40% of the time inside her, 40% BJ and other outercourse, 20% shower and other stuff.

Epilogue:
So leaving the apartment and taking a walk in the park my feelings were mostly disappointment that I didn't achieve my goal of having a mind blowing fuck let alone not even cumming but also surprise that the experience was so boring? unstimulating?

I informed mama/papa-san of my experience for which I only blamed myself. They expressed their pity and asked if I had time for another punt that day and recommended some other girls with top notch service reviews and a discounted price. I was feeling like I needed some time to reflect and didn't want to go emptying out my wallet before I figured out what the problem was and how to solve it (I might see if I can still take up that discount offer at the later time though). I also felt a bit guilty that her lack of success with me might damage her self-confidence and her standing with mama/papa-san despite it not really being her fault but at the same time watching her desperately trying to get me off without success tickled a bit of a sadistic thread in me.

Reflecting on it, I came to some of the conclusions already mentioned here. Probably over stimulated, I had wanked twice the day before after all. I was probably tired and stressed from work and lack of sleep so I should take better care of myself before my next time. Things probably could have gone smoother if I just let her completely take the lead; particularly considering my inexperience. I probably would be better off getting some experience with MLs first which would be more of a passive experience and also do much cheaper.

I didn't mention it above but while I was fucking her, staring at her body and trying to get myself aroused, the memory of my mum popped into my head a bit :vomit:. That really cratered my libido but I mostly managed to push it out and continue. On reflection, that made me think I might have a better time with a non-Asian girl so I can avoid those obtrusive thoughts lol.

So after wanking that night (successfully, confirming the plumping still worked) I decided I'll abstain for a bit until I could get a booking with a ML and see what that experience is like... TBC

Again thanks for reading my yarn. I would greatly appreciate any tips, advice or just perspective from a more experienced punter on how it sounded like.

TL;DR
Girl seemed pretty good but I probably wasn't in a great physical state. Tried some different things but nothing really worked for me. My main feelings in the bedroom were a lack of stimulation/arousal and boredom.

Was this the AR for Yesel or some other girl?

[punter00]

Sounds like you need to reset your dopamine receptors. They've been fried from your excessive porn and wanking habits.

[Rackster]

personally, if i dont cum, it doesnt hang me up. theres a whole hour or more of fun to have, and if i let missing a few seconds ruin it, then it takes all the rest of it away. out of all the things I do in a punt. the only one I can do myself is cum. i prefer to leave my finish as late as possible (and only once) in a couple or more hour session, rather than as many as possible so its a hazard of the punt. but i can say that looking back on all of them, i remember the fun, and the girl, bu I couldnt tell you which ones i didnt cum. dont over think it, just enjoy the ride