Weird Experience

[Satantoofuuu]

So what happened was, I’ve been reading about a highly rated RNT place with a highly rated Thai girl which obviously loads of other punters here have experienced before. Went in, paid the pineapples. Then when she stepped in, I realised she’s a trans. Ive worked in Thailand for a good 5 years before and I can confidently distinguished a trans. The way they move, the voice and general body language. With some basic Thai I engaged her in some conversation, and up until she had my cock in her hand only then yes she said yes she chopped of her dick so no more ladyboy shes a real girl now. Finished in her hands but felt abit weird inside. Then later i went to a brothel and fucked a REAL girl.

So do you guys think its ok for a shop to advertise a girl but shes actually a trans? Well technically she is a girl. Ahh i dont know. Just throwing this out to the other brothers here what do you guys think.

[Oldguy61]

I think it's totally unacceptable. The shop need to be transparent about who they are employing.

[Nelly69]

i can take a good guess who that is!! lol

[rubit moore]

“ The way they move, the voice and general body language.”

Unreal how bro’s can’t see it. I mean especially working in a RnT seeing a chick like that, oh well haha. Does it really matter in this day and age? I’m sure all the bros who she’s jerked off that read this forum who never questioned it at the time, will either do some soul searching or just chalk this one up as, ‘Yep, well I just got wanked off by a (former) man’

:D

[Babewatch]

i can take a good guess who that is!! lol

I recon I know too!

[GoldfishMan]

So what happened was, I’ve been reading about a highly rated RNT place with a highly rated Thai girl which obviously loads of other punters here have experienced before. Went in, paid the pineapples. Then when she stepped in, I realised she’s a trans. Ive worked in Thailand for a good 5 years before and I can confidently distinguished a trans. The way they move, the voice and general body language. With some basic Thai I engaged her in some conversation, and up until she had my cock in her hand only then yes she said yes she chopped of her dick so no more ladyboy shes a real girl now. Finished in her hands but felt abit weird inside. Then later i went to a brothel and fucked a REAL girl.

So do you guys think its ok for a shop to advertise a girl but shes actually a trans? Well technically she is a girl. Ahh i dont know. Just throwing this out to the other brothers here what do you guys think.

Ok, we've finally got a trained eye to inspect the goods. Let's put the whole thing to rest right here and now.

This girl that you booked, does she go by the name M*** at a shop that's just east of HP?

[GoldfishMan]

“ The way they move, the voice and general body language.”

Unreal how bro’s can’t see it. I mean especially working in a RnT seeing a chick like that, oh well haha. Does it really matter in this day and age? I’m sure all the bros who she’s jerked off that read this forum who never questioned it at the time, will either do some soul searching or just chalk this one up as, ‘Yep, well I just got wanked off by a (former) man’

:D

Bro, I reckon it matters even more in this day and age. Every group and subgroup of people now have to fight for their rights as loud as they can because everyone is now equal.

We absolutely must standup for what we want, and not just take whatever is dished our way.

[krnboy]

Many years ago I fucked a tranny without realising. Only afterwards when I thought about it, it hit me.

From then onwards, I've learnt and can spot the difference between a trans and a woman. I'm not bitter about it but I wish that the business told me.

Yes, pussy felt weird and always needed to lube up. Always covered the pussy area with her hand while fucking her. Fake high pitched voice, shit like that.

[Nelly69]

I recon I know too!

Tell me she has small man nipples...

Look some bros here couldn't care less, they just enjoy their service so good for them.

But yeah Mi*** keeps her girl voice until she is drunk then her man voice comes up. Saw it on an Insta post once.

[GoldfishMan]

Tell me she has small man nipples...

Look some bros here couldn't care less, they just enjoy their service so good for them.

But yeah Mi*** keeps her girl voice until she is drunk then her man voice comes up. Saw it on an Insta post once.

Wait, hold on a sec. Did you just type one too many asterisks or have I got my bearings all wrong?

[Nelly69]

Wait, hold on a sec. Did you just type one too many asterisks or have I got my bearings all wrong?

haha, sorry goldfish, I over typed. She sure gets a lot of attention in this forum.

[LBW1959]

But guys, the OP said this was a Thai girl. The M*** referred to is majority Korean. She certainly doesn't look Thai.

[Single Malt]

100% ts/post op needs to be disclosed by the shop. Some people are into that not me though.

[GoldfishMan]

But guys, the OP said this was a Thai girl. The M*** referred to is majority Korean. She certainly doesn't look Thai.
Well, I once got conned into booking a J girl with an agency that turned out to be a Thai post-op LB. It was one of the weirdest punts in my life. She was nonsensically uttering random Japanese words at totally the wrong times just to try to appear like a J girl. Even with my extremely limited Japanese vocabulary I could tell she was putting on a show.

So, I wouldn't put it past them not to lie about nationality. That "side lie" sort of makes it less likely someone would suspect that they were a Thai LB because being Thai immediately sets off some alarms. Couple that with the up-close physical signs it becomes highly likely they'd be found out.

[Nelly69]

But guys, the OP said this was a Thai girl. The M*** referred to is majority Korean. She certainly doesn't look Thai.

she is half Korean and half thai, but she speaks fluent thai so I think identifies as Thai. Maybe the Korean side is all the plastic surgery bit. lol

[RodgHerMoore]

it obviously matters to a lot of customers and forum members here, so yes it's a big deal and they should disclose it. For some it may be a selling point. Yes they feel female and are legitimately female and hate being male. But they are also factually former males with penises and this is an artificial construct. I for one would rather know so I can choose to avoid. They have their rights. We have ours too.

[ParramattaRiver]

For a lot of the pre-op TS girls it’s a selling point and they charge a premium, esp if they’re hot.

Not sure about post op tho.

[Satantoofuuu]

Ok, we've finally got a trained eye to inspect the goods. Let's put the whole thing to rest right here and now.

This girl that you booked, does she go by the name M*** at a shop that's just east of HP?


But guys, the OP said this was a Thai girl. The M*** referred to is majority Korean. She certainly doesn't look Thai.


For a lot of the pre-op TS girls it’s a selling point and they charge a premium, esp if they’re hot.

Not sure about post op tho.

Thai girl H**** RNT shop with bolt ons. I have half the mind to just say who it is but you know nobody gets into this business willingly and i dont wanna be the one that'll deprive her of her income. What ever it is, moving forward no more Thai girls for me.

[rubit moore]

…does she go by the name M*** at a shop that's just east of HP?

M***…… Male??

:D

[cman01]

Anymore clues as to who this is? Or could someone DM if you don’t want to post publicly?

[Daffy]

Are you guys really that insecure about your own sexuality??? A hottie is a hottie when you’re paying by the hour for a good time. And if you really want you can tell by the tits. No girl has perfectly even tits even if they have had enhancements.

Different story if you’re looking for a relationship with someone, especially if you’re looking to start a family but there are much better places to start that journey than a knock shop

[GoldfishMan]

Yeah, go ahead and call it insecurity, I just don't like to fuck a dude. I don't care what anyone thinks about this.

[PKING2]

Yeah, go ahead and call it insecurity, I just don't like to fuck a dude. I don't care what anyone thinks about this.

Some moron will call you homophobic lol.

But I agree with you, go there to have stress relieved, not adding more stress lol

[ditchtheboss]

Some moron will call you homophobic lol.

But I agree with you, go there to have stress relieved, not adding more stress lol

Expertly said PKING. Going there to have some stress reliever not to add stress

[Meng]

A philosophical question it sure is. If you fuck a post op who's really fucking who?

I wouldn't mind it if I couldn't tell but what peeves me off is that I'm paying money for it lol.

[JSteel96]

So what happened was, I’ve been reading about a highly rated RNT place with a highly rated Thai girl which obviously loads of other punters here have experienced before. Went in, paid the pineapples. Then when she stepped in, I realised she’s a trans. Ive worked in Thailand for a good 5 years before and I can confidently distinguished a trans. The way they move, the voice and general body language. With some basic Thai I engaged her in some conversation, and up until she had my cock in her hand only then yes she said yes she chopped of her dick so no more ladyboy shes a real girl now. Finished in her hands but felt abit weird inside. Then later i went to a brothel and fucked a REAL girl.

So do you guys think its ok for a shop to advertise a girl but shes actually a trans? Well technically she is a girl. Ahh i dont know. Just throwing this out to the other brothers here what do you guys think.

False advertising is totally wrong I would have bailed out the door, though many dudes probably would not care and just stick it in.

[Nelly69]

Thai girl H**** RNT shop with bolt ons. I have half the mind to just say who it is but you know nobody gets into this business willingly and i dont wanna be the one that'll deprive her of her income. What ever it is, moving forward no more Thai girls for me.

I don't think this said girl have an issue with money, I've seen her stories where she whips out a wad of cash to buy a 15k Chanel bag.

Most punters don't realize some of these popular girls makes more money than most people, they clear between $800-$1500 a day and the said girl seems to work 6 days a week, do the maths... I am sure losing one or two customers is not going to make a difference.

[RodgHerMoore]

Are you guys really that insecure about your own sexuality??? A hottie is a hottie when you’re paying by the hour for a good time. ]

Totally get where you're coming from. If she has always felt like a female trapped in a male body, always acted female, even looked feminine and dressed, then did the op - yes she is female after the op. Still an ex-male though.

The other side is akin to eating Halal, Kosher meat or wanting organic. Some people want to be confident of origin & know they're eating blessed meat or something not farmed. If punters are into DFK, they want to DFK and swap fluids with 100% female. They don't want male origin. They want XX chromosone at origin of birth. That's the other side of the ledger.

Then there are some may not know the difference nor care about origin.

If you were vegan but had chicken fat in the salad, wouldn't the vegan be entitled to be upset? It's against their beliefs.

I've seen tiktok videos of post op and thought very nice conversion. But thought of DFK an ex-dude sissy... you may call me prejudiced, but I've already explained beliefs above.

[Daffy]

Yeah, go ahead and call it insecurity, I just don't like to fuck a dude. I don't care what anyone thinks about this.
You aren’t though. If she is post op she is a women (you might have noticed the pronouns used there). And to be that vehement about it shows you really do care what other people think.


Some moron will call you homophobic lol.

But I agree with you, go there to have stress relieved, not adding more stress lol
That’s pretty much the actual definition of homophobic there mate.


A philosophical question it sure is. If you fuck a post op who's really fucking who?

I wouldn't mind it if I couldn't tell but what peeves me off is that I'm paying money for it lol.
I’d say you’d be fucking each other. To say it’s one fucking the other makes it sound more than a little rapey.

Let’s be honest here though. If you can’t tell is it really hurting you? Or are you just upset you got horny over a lady that used to be a guy?

[Nelly69]

Totally get where you're coming from. If she has always felt like a female trapped in a male body, always acted female, even looked feminine and dressed, then did the op - yes she is female after the op. Still an ex-male though.

The other side is akin to eating Halal, Kosher meat or wanting organic. Some people want to be confident of origin & know they're eating blessed meat or something not farmed. If punters are into DFK, they want to DFK and swap fluids with 100% female. They don't want male origin. They want XX chromosone at origin of birth. That's the other side of the ledger.

Then there are some may not know the difference nor care about origin.

If you were vegan but had chicken fat in the salad, wouldn't the vegan be entitled to be upset? It's against their beliefs.

I've seen tiktok videos of post op and thought very nice conversion. But thought of DFK an ex-dude sissy... you may call me prejudiced, but I've already explained beliefs above.

Totally agree, you should get what you paid for. I have Muslim mates who would be pissed if they get pork produce in their food if they paid for Halal.

My friend once said, "Fucking a Post op is like fucking an inside out dick. Just think about it, would you rub your dick with another? its not suddenly she grew a vagina. To create it, they have to invert the dick and use the head as the clitoris. Its not pink inside...." LOL

[4647]

I don't think this said girl have an issue with money, I've seen her stories where she whips out a wad of cash to buy a 15k Chanel bag.

Most punters don't realize some of these popular girls makes more money than most people, they clear between $800-$1500 a day and the said girl seems to work 6 days a week, do the maths... I am sure losing one or two customers is not going to make a difference.

Haha don't matter how much most of these girls make .most of it all goes on gear and the casino

[Daffy]

Totally agree, you should get what you paid for. I have Muslim mates who would be pissed if they get pork produce in their food if they paid for Halal.
That’s a false analogy though. It would be closer to not asking what’s in the food then getting the shits it isn’t want you assumed it was. Plus with Halal it’s about the intent, not the actual act. And I also bet they will all eat prawns despite them not being halal ever.


My friend once said, "Fucking a Post op is like fucking an inside out dick. Just think about it, would you rub your dick with another? its not suddenly she grew a vagina. To create it, they have to invert the dick and use the head as the clitoris. Its not pink inside...." LOL

And this is factually the wrong way around. Every embryo starts out female so your cock is actually just an enlarged clit to begin with. Congrats your officially a lesbian

[Ziggurat]

That’s pretty much the actual definition of homophobic there mate.

So you don't want to **** a bloke whatever their outside looks like because she/he is teeming with XY chromosones just like you, that makes you "by definition" homophobic. :shout:

[F0x]

Simple facts:

* No matter what a person thinks they are, want to be etc, they are what they are assigned at birth. You came out with a Penis or Vagina. At some stage on your life you might have decided that you didn't want to be that and changed. You can change everything about yourself, but (and strictly talking about men trans to women for this example) if you can not get biologically pregnant and carry a child in a Womb you are NOT a Woman. Same reverse, if you biologically able to carry a child, but NOT able to produce sperm and father a child, you are NOT a Man And no, being an embryonic female doesn't count because your chromosome, an inherent and intrinsic part of sexuality changed you. So we are not just females with vaginas outside. Also see pregnancy point.

* While we live in tolerant times, (I for one, have absolutely no issue with Trans. I have issues with "identifying as" though. At least the trans made a firm decision and took the difficult emotional and physical journey to get to where they want) but simultaneously, I do not want to engage in sexual acts with someone who was my own sex (see fact 1). This doesn't make me transphobic, anymore than not wanting to have sex with say, a bald woman makes me Alopecianist. It's just preference. Refer first paragraph this fact about being conpletely issue free with Trans.

* if you are okay with understanding you may be engaging in sexual acts with a person of your own sex, more power to you. Your paying for it, enjoy it. However, if you don't, it's more than prudent that the shop clearly states the persons disposition. I understand the person may lose customers, maybe even lose the job. But it's about transparency isn't it. I'm sure there is an audience/demographic for that service and maybe even a thriving niche.

But it must be made clear so that customers have a clear choice or decision.

Happy puntskis

[GoldfishMan]

Yeah whatever, Daffy. You do you, I do me. Let's leave it at that.

[PKING2]

@fox
You are very correct bro.

The trans should be not lying about the gender in sex industry, especially here in Australia where the freedom of act is justified by the government.

Even from this case we can see. Trans people still have they own group of customer.

Like Fox, Goldman, ditch and me don't want have sex with trans.

In the other side Daffy likes his trans.

So they will not lose customer, as the target of customer is in different group.

[Axeman123]

You aren’t though. If she is post op she is a women (you might have noticed the pronouns used there). And to be that vehement about it shows you really do care what other people think.


That’s pretty much the actual definition of homophobic there mate.


I’d say you’d be fucking each other. To say it’s one fucking the other makes it sound more than a little rapey.

Let’s be honest here though. If you can’t tell is it really hurting you? Or are you just upset you got horny over a lady that used to be a guy? "Yep"....too right!

[LBW1959]

A related question is whether a post-op trans girl would reveal it to her employer? Would the shops actual;ly know?

[Raybo]

A related question is whether a post-op trans girl would reveal it to her employer? Would the shops actual;ly know?

yeah I was thinking the same.

[Daffy]

Simple facts:

* No matter what a person thinks they are, want to be etc, they are what they are assigned at birth. You came out with a Penis or Vagina. At some stage on your life you might have decided that you didn't want to be that and changed. You can change everything about yourself, but (and strictly talking about men trans to women for this example) if you can not get biologically pregnant and carry a child in a Womb you are NOT a Woman. Same reverse, if you biologically able to carry a child, but NOT able to produce sperm and father a child, you are NOT a Man And no, being an embryonic female doesn't count because your chromosome, an inherent and intrinsic part of sexuality changed you. So we are not just females with vaginas outside. Also see pregnancy point.

I’m going to reply to this and then I’m done here but you are absolutely wrong here mate. Nobody is absolutely XX or XY on a genetic level. Absolutely everybody has a mix of both but we ( in general terms) tend towards one side of the spectrum. Some people will even land on a certain side but not have the associated sex organs with certain types of hormone resistances.

It’s only with the rise of genetic sequencing that we are now realising just how common these types of things are. The rarest being fully functional Hermaphrodite that has fully functional male and female reproductive organs capable of self reproduction (the estimate given was at least 10,000 individuals alive now). By comparison Androgen resistance is at around 2 to 5 in 100,000 births which causes a predominately XY chromosome child to develop as a female.

Your definition of Male and Female is also woefully uneducated as there are plenty of reasons why people can’t reproduce. By your definition a women who has a hysterectomy is no longer a women. What about women with PCOS that need extensive medical intervention to have a chance at getting pregnant?

End of the day here though is you make your own choices here and you are paying to have sex with the person you choose (notice I didn’t say women there). And as I’ve pointed out above genetics are not your friend here with defining that term. So unless you point blank as if the girl you have chosen is trans and they lie about it you don’t have a leg to stand on.

[GoldfishMan]

A related question is whether a post-op trans girl would reveal it to her employer? Would the shops actual;ly know?

Good point. I don't see any different legislation for this line of work as far as employment laws go, so I would presume that employers would have to follow the same nondiscriminatory employment laws.

Namely a candidate wouldn't have to state their gender if they chose not to, etc. They might know it off the record, but it wouldn't be because she HAS to tell them.

[andrewv]

So what happened was, I’ve been reading about a highly rated RNT place with a highly rated Thai girl which obviously loads of other punters here have experienced before. Went in, paid the pineapples. Then when she stepped in, I realised she’s a trans. Ive worked in Thailand for a good 5 years before and I can confidently distinguished a trans. The way they move, the voice and general body language. With some basic Thai I engaged her in some conversation, and up until she had my cock in her hand only then yes she said yes she chopped of her dick so no more ladyboy shes a real girl now. Finished in her hands but felt abit weird inside. Then later i went to a brothel and fucked a REAL girl.

So do you guys think its ok for a shop to advertise a girl but shes actually a trans? Well technically she is a girl. Ahh i dont know. Just throwing this out to the other brothers here what do you guys think.

Would you have felt the same or different if she had her dick intact?

[PKING2]

Good point. I don't see any different legislation for this line of work as far as employment laws go, so I would presume that employers would have to follow the same nondiscriminatory employment laws.

Namely a candidate wouldn't have to state their gender if they chose not to, etc. They might know it off the record, but it wouldn't be because she HAS to tell them.

How about consumer law?

The one that stated something like this Businesses must meet a set of basic rights called consumer guarantees when they sell products or services.

If the service that they advertisement is a girl who does this service etc etc. Wouldn't it a breach of that law if the the one who does it is a trans?

Would it be more of problem if the customer's rage like that cases with trans's death?

Shop should be transparent especially in this kind of business, one thing about misinformation of age, but misinformation about gender is ridiculous.

But shop cannot do much as well, as manager cannot inspect the body of the worker ( last time one manager of top shop asked me, how about the service? Any fat? Any Tattoo? Does she did this this and this?; I asked him why don't you check? He said I cannot check). Which now I believe members to members need to inform each other if they found something fishy going on.

Don't worry about if she trans, she will not have customer. In worst case scenario Daffy will still book her if the trans hot

[GoldfishMan]

How about consumer law?

The one that stated something like this Businesses must meet a set of basic rights called consumer guarantees when they sell products or services.

If the service that they advertisement is a girl who does this service etc etc. Wouldn't it a breach of that law if the the one who does it is a tr

That's also a good point bro. I'd say all these laws apply, but they don't come into effect at the same time.

Like that consumer Law only comes into play if the consumer felt like he was conned. If he enjoyed it, there's nothing to complain about.

But it is a very fine line they're walking as a shop if they knew it and still went ahead. Puts them at risk of getting in trouble in that regard.

[F0x]

I’m going to reply to this and then I’m done here

Superb!

QUOTE] a candidate wouldn't have to state their gender if they chose not to, etc. They might know it off the record, but it wouldn't be because she HAS to tell them.[/QUOTE]

Isn't this a little different though? I kinda get that practice in a common workplace, but this field?

[Daffy]

I don’t know why I do this to myself.

You’re wrong about consumer law (at least here is Australia) because a trans women is legally considered to be a women. If a trans girl markets herself as a girl then you have no leg to stand on. Again you can ask her if you are really that worried about it. But you’re opinion on what a “girl” is is legally meaningless (and actually plain wrong legally speaking of course)

Second part is in most cases you couldn’t do anything to the shop. They rent out the room and that’s it. What happens between you and the lady is between you and her. There is a case before the Victorian courts now about if working ladies are employees or contractors so that could change what happens a bit there.

[Daffy]

And just for the record here I don’t really care about anyone’s sexual orientation or gender identity. I can absolutely admit if someone is attractive or not regardless of gender. It doesn’t embarrass me or make me feel like less of a man.

So while I wouldn’t personally go for a pre-op trans women, I’m happy to admit some of them look very gorgeous and feminine. Post-op wouldn’t really bother me but I’m not particularly bothered by labels.

Besides I’ve seen plenty of post-op trans girls that look better than most other girls.

[asiafever]

I love how this conversation has gone down the path of consumer law etc. The girls are mostly working illegally, in unlicenced shops without council approval to work as a sex premises, I'm quite sure they're in breach of any number of workplace laws, and so on, but somehow now we're worried about false advertising or something?

[Daffy]

I seem to remember reading something about an 8 room limit at all brothels on NSW too.

Besides who would actually try to take a working lady to court over this anyway?

[Double_Adapter]

I love how this conversation has gone down the path of consumer law etc. The girls are mostly working illegally, in unlicenced shops without council approval to work as a sex premises, I'm quite sure they're in breach of any number of workplace laws, and so on, but somehow now we're worried about false advertising or something?

+1

This whole debate is fucken superfluous.

The solution to the problem is to do the reverse of what shops and WLs do.
So if shops and WLs have disclaimers like; no Indians, no Koreans, Asians only, no Arabs then punters should make their disclaimers known ie no trannies, no post op, no non-binaries, female only.

[Daffy]

+1

This whole debate is fucken superfluous.

The solution to the problem is to do the reverse of what shops and WLs do.
So if shops and WLs have disclaimers like; no Indians, no Koreans, Asians only, no Arabs then punters should make their disclaimers known ie no trannies, no post op, no non-binaries, female only.

Don’t go saying sensible shit like this. It takes the fun out of arguing with randoms on the internets!!!

[Nelly69]

A related question is whether a post-op trans girl would reveal it to her employer? Would the shops actual;ly know?

The real question is, with their employer knowing. Would they do anything to jeopardize their income if the girl is making a lot of money and gets lots of bookings??

[harmsup_jai]

this thread went off path quick

[tpol]

Do they do bare back more often?

We call fake tits bolt ons

What do we call fake pussies, reversies?

[Axeman123]

At least their assholes are the real deal.

[GoldfishMan]

Do they do bare back more often?

We call fake tits bolt ons

What do we call fake pussies, reversies?
I've met 2 post-ops so far in punting. One was the agency girl I mentioned earlier, the other was a private who advertised on E&B as a girl.

The agency girl didn't mention about BB nor did I ask for it, but the private one openly offered it.

I told her I wanted covered anal instead. Finished the deed in there and got the hell out. I sensed a bit of agro in that one, so I just played along and GTFO.

Gotta remember that even after surgery, they are still physically stronger than most women are. The private one also seemed to still have higher levels of testosterone meaning higher tendency for violence. I sensed it coming through in her mannerism. Like when she offered BB and I declined, I caught a flash of "menace" on her face and she replied "why, are you scared?" in a sort of threatening way. I'd never gotten that feeling with women.

The agency girl was very feminine in mannerism, though. She was actually very hot physically. Implants on the top and bottom, very sexy ass and long legs.

[Double_Adapter]

Do they do bare back more often?

We call fake tits bolt ons

What do we call fake pussies, reversies?

....cockgina, AV, vagina bolt-on, fake pussy, d-puss?
I'm sure there'll be a word for it.

[Axeman123]

....cockgina, AV, vagina bolt-on, fake pussy, d-puss?
I'm sure there'll be a word for it. Outside inny.........

[CharlieM]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but even though my visits to MLs are rare these days, I should steer clear of any Thai MLs who's name starts with H**** and is 5 letters long or M*** and is 4 letters long as I could end up with a post op tranny?
Or atleast till someone has the balls to name them proper.

[wolfman88]

i can take a good guess who that is!! lol

dm me

asking for a mate lol