Going out with ml/wl

[tawer5ag]

One ml told me she was going out with a few customers.
Not for anything naughty, but just for dinner/food and a chat.

Made me wonder, how many of you guys would be up for meeting a wl/ml outside the shop to share a meal and conversation?

Of course im skeptical that theres no hanky panky going on on the side or that the punters dont want or arent trying to get something sexual from it.



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[Sher1888]

I had an ex ml gf. It's was pretty normal but it didn't work as she was part owner of the shop and her boss friend was up to no good. She never did FS in shop. Just going to movies and eat food.

[tawer5ag]

I had an ex ml gf. It's was pretty normal but it didn't work as she was part owner of the shop and her boss friend was up to no good. She never did FS in shop. Just going to movies and eat food.Exgf ml, normal like a normal gf?
Fs outside shop with you and going out to eat food and watch movies?
And typically men pay for everything during the date?

How'd you fare with the relationship?
Main things that come to mind:
-do you worry about her seeing customers outside the shop
-did she see customers outside the shop, what did they do
-how did you find out
-since she was your gf, you werent paying for sex as like extras in the shop?

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[abovetherim]

I’ve taken out a WG/ML a few times. Sometimes after a private session at my hotel or after the shop closed. It was actually thrilling to be able to go out with the girl especially the pretty ones knowing how popular she was with the customers but she somehow chose me to spend some time with outside of work. I knew that in reality I didn’t really stand a chance and probably not someone I’m looking for seriously anyway. It was a good feeling though to be able to enjoy the private experience, much more intimate.

[Sher1888]

Exgf ml, normal like a normal gf?
Fs outside shop with you and going out to eat food and watch movies?
And typically men pay for everything during the date?

How'd you fare with the relationship?
Main things that come to mind:
-do you worry about her seeing customers outside the shop
-did she see customers outside the shop, what did they do
-how did you find out
-since she was your gf, you werent paying for sex as like extras in the shop?

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Everything was normal except for her friends/owners of the shop which they were stalkers

[JSteel96]

The answer is no & I get asked all the time to go out by the girls I punt. I don't want things turning into a date relationship before you know it you get hooked and have to see the girl all the time. Whats next she starts visiting you at your home? I just wanna see mine for boom boom some lite chat is ok. But going out in public no no it breaks the boundaries and punting rules.

[TheOtherI]

One ml told me she was going out with a few customers.
Not for anything naughty, but just for dinner/food and a chat.

Made me wonder, how many of you guys would be up for meeting a wl/ml outside the shop to share a meal and conversation?

Of course im skeptical that theres no hanky panky going on on the side or that the punters dont want or arent trying to get something sexual from it.



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I’ve done it a couple of times, I get the feeling they are just lonely, or a little homesick. Due to their work hours I think it makes it hard to organically make friends, especially if they are new to the country.

The few times I did spend time with them it didn’t involve anything sexual, just dinner and conversation, or even just a coffee and a walk around a park.

[Sibon]

One ml told me she was going out with a few customers.
Not for anything naughty, but just for dinner/food and a chat.

Made me wonder, how many of you guys would be up for meeting a wl/ml outside the shop to share a meal and conversation?

Of course im skeptical that theres no hanky panky going on on the side or that the punters dont want or arent trying to get something sexual from it.



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Going out with a WL is a sensational feeling especially when you meet another of her clients on the street who has more and frequent access to her body than you.

He will give you a Wink Wink and a grin.

[aussiegaigin]

I have been socialising casually with an ML for a number of years. Lunches, dinners - eaten out or at her place; day trips in her car or by transport. I've helped her with some of her scatterbrain "business ventures" which she never seems to progress.

Some of our meets end in "service provision" for which I pay her. We have no real romantic connection, which suits both of us fine.

Although I have been privy to much of her personal life, she knows very little about me; not even my real name or where exactly I live. Our only contact is through WeChat.

She is moving up to Queensland soon so we will cut off contact.

[Hidden Python]

We are all human and need companionship, but the question you got to ask yourself before dating a sex worker, can you deal with her going to work everyday sucking, fucking and jerking off 10 different blokes in a day, 6 days a week, than being with you,
Can you financially support her full time for her to give up her job, pay her food, rent, phone, school, send money home for her parents who are looking after her baby,
If you think I am jumping to conclusions, ask yourself this, why do the girls always ask what do you do for work, the answer is so she doesn’t need to do this job anymore and have a sugar daddy to look after all her needs,
that’s why I laugh when the manager of Lalabells Jenny said in front of the girls, a rich man because I drive a Mercedes, I knew she was telling them I could be a potential sugar daddy , and they should give better service, which I have to agree worked out better for me, but I like to keep my personal life private, and only go for fun when I need it,

[Axeman123]

We are all human and need companionship, but the question you got to ask yourself before dating a sex worker, can you deal with her going to work everyday sucking, fucking and jerking off 10 different blokes in a day, 6 days a week, than being with you,
Can you financially support her full time for her to give up her job, pay her food, rent, phone, school, send money home for her parents who are looking after her baby,
If you think I am jumping to conclusions, ask yourself this, why do the girls always ask what do you do for work, the answer is so she doesn’t need to do this job anymore and have a sugar daddy to look after all her needs,
that’s why I laugh when the manager of Lalabells Jenny said in front of the girls, a rich man because I drive a Mercedes, I knew she was telling them I could be a potential sugar daddy , and they should give better service, which I have to agree worked out better for me, but I like to keep my personal life private, and only go for fun when I need it, I adopted the attitude of "what people don't know can't hurt them , but what they do know can hurt you". Not just in brothel world but in the real world too.

[PKING2]

I just wanna see mine for boom boom some lite chat is ok. But going out in public no no it breaks the boundaries and punting rules.

JSteel has spoken

This is the way.

[JSteel96]

JSteel has spoken

This is the way.

You got to have rules in place or you might as well be the ML partner or sugar daddy. When shes seeing and banging 30+ other guys a day are you okay with that? If you think the ML is interested in just you, think again she probably sees cash earning potential. Its to easy to become attached to them to if you see them for public dating outings. No no do not see them out of the shop keep sex with them separate from your daily life. I have one Asian gal who I keep as a mistress but that'a a different thing altogether. Even then I don't go on dates with my mistress. We meet for sex quit chat then that's it.

[AJJ]

I have gone out with ML a few times and everytime has ended in disaster!
And everytime has nearly given me a mental health condition hahaha!
I just could not get my head around the thought of her sucking and fucking customers all day long even though they would tell me it's just work.
Sure it's work but you cannot tell me they do not like the occasional good fucking!!
Im trying to just follow the 3 Fs now.
Find them
Fuck them
Forget them!!
No headaches no worries and variety is the spice of life 😁

[GoldfishMan]

You got to have rules in place or you might as well be the ML partner or sugar daddy. When shes seeing and banging 30+ other guys a day are you okay with that?
Let's just say we're OK with it until we're not.

[ColesBag]

JSteel has spoken

This is the way.

Thanks Confucius.

[ColesBag]

I adopted the attitude of "what people don't know can't hurt them , but what they do know can hurt you". Not just in brothel world but in the real world too.

Friends makes the worst enemies.

[Hidden Python]

I adopted the attitude of "what people don't know can't hurt them , but what they do know can hurt you". Not just in brothel world but in the real world too.

100% agree with this, people with think twice and make any excuse not to deal with you, and step all over you at the same time

[CursedCoomer]

From reading other threads on this topic, don't even bother going out with one.
Ejaculate and evacuate.

[JSteel96]

don't go out with them and don't fall in love with them. Dudes don't let your cock do the thinking here. You need to bang them and forget them. Or see em again is ok in the shop but don't date them. These gals are smart they can walk all over you, they end up with all your money and you end up broke as fuck.

[PKING2]

You got to have rules in place or you might as well be the ML partner or sugar daddy. When shes seeing and banging 30+ other guys a day are you okay with that? If you think the ML is interested in just you, think again she probably sees cash earning potential. Its to easy to become attached to them to if you see them for public dating outings. No no do not see them out of the shop keep sex with them separate from your daily life. I have one Asian gal who I keep as a mistress but that'a a different thing altogether. Even then I don't go on dates with my mistress. We meet for sex quit chat then that's it.

100% agree with you, one bro in this forum, who become friend in real life, was in this condition last year, and like you said that was what happens ussually.

You might be lucky like one of my friend not date "dating" just going out dinner and end up getting free service which is rare btw. Most of the time wl ml plays with your emotion and you can fall into the trap

Like AJJ said
3Fs
Find, fuck, forget
This is the way...

[bleekpit]

A tiny bit unrelated but also connected to one of the answers previously about accidentally bumping into ML or WL outside of the shop.

How likely is this to happen? I guess unless you've met 100s of ML/WL. Just a question out of curiosity lol

[rfection]

damm i must be one ugly mudafuker, i never get asked to meet or even contact detail!

[abovetherim]

damm i must be one ugly mudafuker, i never get asked to meet or even contact detail!

I ain’t no looker myself. You gotta initiate it! It’s a crapshoot from there on.

[yummypinacolada]

What's the purpose of going out? Is it for possibility of all night sex at the end? Then sure. Is it a date? Then you're asking yourself for trouble

Most WL/ML are so desensitize with feelings, they've dealt with lots of bad guys and probably gone through lots of heartbreak as well. Even when they fall for you, its very easy for them to run away when things don't go her way. Lots of guys fall into WL/MLs trap for liking them too much. Remember, its part of their job to make you feel special, 99.999% of the time you are just one of the dudes that she considers a good customer.

Even if you meet with the 0.001%, ask yourself whether you really want to build a serious relationship with WL/ML or is it just your dick do the thinking?

[abovetherim]

99% agree but these ladies are human too, they’re not all completely desensitised robots. Just as us punters are not all unethical degenerates. It’s a tough industry and these girls have seen pretty much everything from us punters, probably scarred for life in terms of their perception of men. But I think there are some genuine ladies too. I’m not saying I want to hookup and have a real relationship with them. I just find it interesting getting to know them and hear their stories. Some of us think these girls are trash with no redeeming qualities. I think that’s a bit harsh.

[JohnJones]

The problem here is that most of the comments reek of jealousy. It's like seeing a circle of friends trying to drag down that one person who is doing better than the rest.

Why would anyone discuss their love life on a brothel review forum? Unless it's a sex worker who feels lonely, don't want to use dating apps for fear of being judged for their line of work and their only avenue for dating is their regular customers.

Most sex workers I've met who were interested in a relationship are often those who are super insecure. They give the best service in the first few sessions then suddenly go cold and give mediocre services to gauge how much that customer "loves" her. And this is why most of the time sex workers can't get boyfriends.

Love is selfless in nature. A relationship or marriage based on selfish needs will ultimately end when those selfish needs are no longer met. It gets worse if the selfish couple have kids together, the kid will grow up to become juvenile nuisances.

We are in a degenerate age anyways. Women claiming to be independent and strong yet they rob men through the family courts.

Successful relationships are built not with trust but selflessness. When you sacrifice something without expecting anything in return, it comes back to you tenfold. Trust is built over time but selflessness is the spark that kickstarts a relationship.

I'm sure many female sex workers have access to this forum. If you want to convert a regular customer into a boyfriend, you need to start treating him special and go all the way. The only reason why men cheat is because once women turn into girlfriends or wives they don't bother working on the relationship. Men only want women who can give them consistent adoration and physical intimacy. If you keep pushing men away under the pretext of wanting them to desire you more, you'll surely lose them for good.

It's like dangling a carrot in front of a horse - if you don't allow the horse to have a nibble and you overwork it, the horse will surely force you off its back. I ride horses and from experience, they're like us humans, therefore the reason why I treat both humans and animals with respect.

[personaa]

@JohnJones, Your post was really insightful. Thanks for sharing.

[Jamit]

If you are not in a relationship that you want to jeopardise then why not give it a try, particularly if you have spare cash to burn?

I haven't done it except for two intense flings in Thailand. Good know where they might of gone if I was living there. I think there are blokes there who suffer saviour syndrome and end up trying to address the whole reason why they are WLs which is a big poor family.

In Australia the ML and WLss who seemed most keen to me are the ones who do the work for a living at the cheaper places. They are time poor and probably bored day in day out stuck in their windowless rooms. They are keen for experiences outside the shop eg going on a trip to a beach or going out for dinner somewhere interesting and being spoilt a little. If you do this I wouldn't expect sex as the last thing they might want to do in their precious free time is have sex. If they want to reward you then great as they know all punters like sex.

[JSteel96]

[QUOTE=Jamit;2739670]If you are not in a relationship that you want to jeopardise then why not give it a try, particularly if you have spare cash to burn? [QUOTE]

Because you have to be okay with the girl still fucking tons of guys day and night I'm sure a lot of guys on here think they can deal with that but in reality they can't.

Whats the advantage of having a mistress rather than punting different girls every week? I speak from experience my mistress does give me fantastic bbbjs every week. There is no emotion love wise involved. We are friends but we don't know everything about each other. We don't date. We keep things in private.

although I do punt as well I find things often go better when I am with my mistress we both know what each other wants and the boundaries. But I still like to try different gals.

[GoldfishMan]

Not saying that WGs are trash or any lesser a human being than non-WGs, but the nature of their work has a profound impact on how they value sexual intimacy, makes them standout as a woman.

For example, if a girl has only ever had sex with one man her whole life up to a point in time, then the next man that she "gives it to" would also be very important to her. Her perception would still be "if I have sex with this guy, then his value to me is similar level to the only previous guy I've done it with". Then as time goes by and she has more different sex partners, the value of sex to her becomes more and more diluted.

WGs are at the extreme end of the spectrum, where their perception of the value of sex would be massively diluted. I suspect that a successful relationship with a WG might turn out to be a lot less about sex than many of us would like to think!

The irony is, another type of person is also in this end of the spectrum: longtime punters. I'm one of them, been punting (and fucking around!) for close to 30 years now. After having sex with countless different girls, sex to me is now almost completely separated from "love". I would ogle at girls on the street or WGs in shops, I'd be happy to fuck them, but do I love any of them? No. Can I grow to love them? Not likely at all, or it could happen but it wouldn't be because of the sex.

Having sex, to me, is just no longer the same "be all and end all" of a relationship anymore.

It's a fascinating microcosm we have between us, punters and WGs.

[trampslikeus55]

Not saying that WGs are trash or any lesser a human being than non-WGs, but the nature of their work has a profound impact on how they value sexual intimacy, makes them standout as a woman.

For example, if a girl has only ever had sex with one man her whole life up to a point in time, then the next man that she "gives it to" would also be very important to her. Her perception would still be "if I have sex with this guy, then his value to me is similar level to the only previous guy I've done it with". Then as time goes by and she has more different sex partners, the value of sex to her becomes more and more diluted.

WGs are at the extreme end of the spectrum, where their perception of the value of sex would be massively diluted. I suspect that a successful relationship with a WG might turn out to be a lot less about sex than many of us would like to think!

The irony is, another type of person is also in this end of the spectrum: longtime punters. I'm one of them, been punting (and fucking around!) for close to 30 years now. After having sex with countless different girls, sex to me is now almost completely separated from "love". I would ogle at girls on the street or WGs in shops, I'd be happy to fuck them, but do I love any of them? No. Can I grow to love them? Not likely at all, or it could happen but it wouldn't be because of the sex.

Having sex, to me, is just no longer the same "be all and end all" of a relationship anymore.

It's a fascinating microcosm we have between us, punters and WGs.
Agree 👍 If you base your relationships about or solely on the sex, then you are going to have a lot of short relationships 😎

[GoldfishMan]

Agree 👍 If you base your relationships about or solely on the sex, then you are going to have a lot of short relationships 😎

I once had a WL tell me "if you want to make babies with me, you'd have to marry me". I said to her "will you be my wife?..... For 1 hour". She laughed so hard her pussy farted!

[punter-pie]

Remember you don't pay to attend the booking, you pay so you can leave at the end

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[NightShift]

I’ve had a working girl ask me if I was born in Australia, what I do for a living, how old I am, how much I make a year… then she asked for my WeChat and phone number…

After 10 visits and her going above and beyond with her great customer service, Then she asked me out on a date…

Thinking about it. I ultimately said no thank you. … some time later she now quit being a working girl and now has a regular job… I still think about her … I think I made the right decision in saying no.. she would have just used me for money… or would have left after finding someone better than me …

[JSteel96]

I’ve had a working girl ask me if I was born in Australia, what I do for a living, how old I am, how much I make a year… then she asked for my WeChat and phone number…
…

That sounds like a dating application form. Surprised she did not ask you where do you see yourself in 10 years.

Should tell the next girl your a investor business man with your own business. See how quickly she will try to latch on to you. You did the right thing saying no to her. 10 visits is a lot to punt on one girl.

[JohnJones]

I’ve had a working girl ask me if I was born in Australia, what I do for a living, how old I am, how much I make a year… then she asked for my WeChat and phone number…

After 10 visits and her going above and beyond with her great customer service, Then she asked me out on a date…

Thinking about it. I ultimately said no thank you. … some time later she now quit being a working girl and now has a regular job… I still think about her … I think I made the right decision in saying no.. she would have just used me for money… or would have left after finding someone better than me …

Does it matter if you're locally born? Many girls wouldn't care if you're a citizen or permanent resident as long as you haven't sponsored a spouse in the past 5 years.

Not sure how loaded you are but if you're one of those simps giving out random expensive gifts and/or random tips then of course she'd be using you. A few in the past had asked me for gifts on their birthday, when I gift them silver earrings they weren't too happy because silver is too cheap for them.

One tip when looking for a future partner regardless of her line of work - walk away when she demands that you see/book her more than once a week, asks for brand new high-end designer brands or really expensive gold/diamond jewellery as a gift. She should be happy with gifts that come from the heart.

[PKING2]

One tip when looking for a future partner regardless of her line of work - walk away when she demands that you see/book her more than once a week, asks for brand new high-end designer brands or really expensive gold/diamond jewellery as a gift. She should be happy with gifts that come from the heart.

This is very good advice. And a bummer now a days because the influence of social media, this kind of girl is rare now a days. Especially when they still under 30. So for bros who still under 30 it will be hard for them. Ussually these girls realized they got all wrong after their 30. So yeah it is a tough market out there atm.

[JohnJones]

This is very good advice. And a bummer now a days because the influence of social media, this kind of girl is rare now a days. Especially when they still under 30. So for bros who still under 30 iy will be hard for them. Ussually these girls realized they got all wrong after their 30. So yeah it is a tough market out there atm.

We are in degenerate times. This is the time when people think spiritual practice isn't important, but they don't realise that by aligning themselves towards a life of honesty, integrity, gratefulness and selflessness - wealth will naturally follow. Because who in the world wants to give money to fake people and dishonest establishments?

[CursedCoomer]

This is very good advice. And a bummer now a days because the influence of social media, this kind of girl is rare now a days. Especially when they still under 30. So for bros who still under 30 it will be hard for them. Ussually these girls realized they got all wrong after their 30. So yeah it is a tough market out there atm.

In regards to dating - maybe with millennials but with zoomers, they value authenticity, healthy mental well-being, shit like that.

[NightShift]

Does it matter if you're locally born? Many girls wouldn't care if you're a citizen or permanent resident as long as you haven't sponsored a spouse in the past 5 years.

Not sure how loaded you are but if you're one of those simps giving out random expensive gifts and/or random tips then of course she'd be using you. A few in the past had asked me for gifts on their birthday, when I gift them silver earrings they weren't too happy because silver is too cheap for them.

One tip when looking for a future partner regardless of her line of work - walk away when she demands that you see/book her more than once a week, asks for brand new high-end designer brands or really expensive gold/diamond jewellery as a gift. She should be happy with gifts that come from the heart.

Thanks for the tips..

[ThaiHard2]

A tiny bit unrelated but also connected to one of the answers previously about accidentally bumping into ML or WL outside of the shop.

How likely is this to happen? I guess unless you've met 100s of ML/WL. Just a question out of curiosity lol

I've bumped into 3 locally. One I happily say hello to even if I'm with my partner, the other 2 it's just a knowing look if they or I are with partners

[ThaiHard2]

I’ve done it a couple of times, I get the feeling they are just lonely, or a little homesick. Due to their work hours I think it makes it hard to organically make friends, especially if they are new to the country.

The few times I did spend time with them it didn’t involve anything sexual, just dinner and conversation, or even just a coffee and a walk around a park.

This is pretty well on the mark.

They often don't have much of a life outside the shops. Some are probably genuinely wanting a relationship and a way out of the business, others just some company, and then there are others looking to take you for a ride.

[1inchguy]

I’ve had a working girl ask me if I was born in Australia, what I do for a living, how old I am, how much I make a year… then she asked for my WeChat and phone number…

After 10 visits and her going above and beyond with her great customer service, Then she asked me out on a date…

Thinking about it. I ultimately said no thank you. … some time later she now quit being a working girl and now has a regular job… I still think about her … I think I made the right decision in saying no.. she would have just used me for money… or would have left after finding someone better than me …

Similar to you but no date. Have been seeing regular for almost two years now. All professional, I never ask her out etc I just like the way she grinds her pussy on me and her possible fake moans is enough to get me going. We don't talk outside of her work. However she opened discuss about wanting to stay in Australia cause her visa is finishing soon and I had a feeling she may ask me. Long story short she hyped herself up saying any guy that would be with her would be lucky cause she would treat him like a king etc then asked about my status, was I born here and then asked if I'm interested in partnership visa. At least take me out first lol

[NightShift]

Similar to you but no date. Have been seeing regular for almost two years now. All professional, I never ask her out etc I just like the way she grinds her pussy on me and her possible fake moans is enough to get me going. We don't talk outside of her work. However she opened discuss about wanting to stay in Australia cause her visa is finishing soon and I had a feeling she may ask me. Long story short she hyped herself up saying any guy that would be with her would be lucky cause she would treat him like a king etc then asked about my status, was I born here and then asked if I'm interested in partnership visa. At least take me out first lol

Yeah, she fucked up.. she should of at least took you out once and given you a freebie THEN ask you about the visa thing..

[pocket rocket]

Been out with a Mongolian ML once .... saw her 3 times in the shop, great massage, rimming and BBBJ. Went out for Saturday afternoon lunch, then to my place .... fucking stunning sex on the bed in front of my double wardrobe mirrors, everything on, including my toys, except anal penetration. One of the best oral sex sessions I have had with a big cum in her mouth, then BBFS CIP for round 2. Memorable, but the week later she moved way out to the western suburbs, then COVID came shortly after ... never seen or heard anything about her since.

[pocket rocket]

Also been asked to "go drink beer together" or "go eat food together" by about 4 or 5 chinese ML's over a few years before COVID .... but no such invites at all since the shops reopened after COVID .... must be losing my touch, lol .

[yummypinacolada]

I've had lots of working girls messaging me in the past. Most of them are asking for money. Usually what they do is asking me how am I doing once or twice, then they will ask for help. For example asking to buy her some foods through uber eats or asking birthday gift. I don't usually reply once she's asking for anything.

There are some girls who genuinely just wanted to chat or hang out though, they share what they like and usually asking a lot about Australia. Some of them even messaged me everyday just to have a casual chat. In my experience this never lasts, I guess you are only her friend until a better friend comes along.

Once this happens I usually get ghosted and end of story.

[TheOtherI]

I've had lots of working girls messaging me in the past. Most of them are asking for money. Usually what they do is asking me how am I doing once or twice, then they will ask for help. For example asking to buy her some foods through uber eats or asking birthday gift. I don't usually reply once she's asking for anything.

There are some girls who genuinely just wanted to chat or hang out though, they share what they like and usually asking a lot about Australia. Some of them even messaged me everyday just to have a casual chat. In my experience this never lasts, I guess you are only her friend until a better friend comes along.

Once this happens I usually get ghosted and end of story.

Messaging WLs is a lot like internet dating, initially they’ll message you all the time & wanna hang out etc, then all of a sudden, nada.

Much like internet dating, you’re just no longer the flavour of the week haha

It is what it is :)

[AJJ]

Once a girl asks for money, it's best to move away from her. You don't want to be her ATM when she doesn't make ends meet when working at various shops. Don't think that you're her only special guy she's asked for money. If you give in once then she'll ask again and probably won't return the money. In summary, best to avoid when a girl wants financial assistance.

Great advice Cuteguy!
This is my rule too. I've just had to let go a really good girl who I had mind blowing sessions with. She has just started asking me for money. In my experience if you give in once it just opens up the floodgates!! Instant red flag.
Got to remember that these girls are making a lot more money than most of us on this forum.

[silverfox1985]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.

[abovetherim]

You got in pretty deep with one, exactly what ppl here dissuade others to do. I could have gotten into such situation in the past, and who knows, maybe in the future lol. It can definitely mess with your head for sure. You just gotta enjoy the moments while it lasts because nothing lasts forever.

[ditchtheboss]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.

Been there, done that twice. My lesson is to enjoy the moment but not fall in love with her. The fact that she is a WL will mess up your head badly.

[TheOtherI]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.

Did you ever read reviews on her?

I feel like I’d be too insecure to be able to do that.

[Footballpunter]

The answer is no & I get asked all the time to go out by the girls I punt. I don't want things turning into a date relationship before you know it you get hooked and have to see the girl all the time. Whats next she starts visiting you at your home? I just wanna see mine for boom boom some lite chat is ok. But going out in public no no it breaks the boundaries and punting rules.

Totally agree! Setting a boundaries for yourself is very important. Go to the shops for a punt. If people want to build social connections, they should do that with a GF or wife.

[NC3]

Exgf ml, normal like a normal gf?
Fs outside shop with you and going out to eat food and watch movies?
And typically men pay for everything during the date?

How'd you fare with the relationship?
Main things that come to mind:
-do you worry about her seeing customers outside the shop
-did she see customers outside the shop, what did they do
-how did you find out
-since she was your gf, you werent paying for sex as like extras in the shop?

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You cannot have real relationship with ml/wl, only if she stops working as ml/wl and have new work, or study etc. can be possible [ possible no certain ]. Any girl who is working as ml /wl, you can be friend with her, you can be sugar daddy / papa / sponsor or just lovers.
Anyone who think that can be in real relationship with ml / wl lies to himself, he lives in illusion, most probably because has low self esteem, he is desperate [ any kind of desperation ] or other psychological reasons.
Any ml/wl has many phone numbers on her mobile ... customers will take her for holidays, dinner / watch a show, shopping or just for coffee and talk. Of course most of these girls will never tell you that they see another 3 men, except few.

p.s. in few cases the customer and the ml/wl doing business ... the customer helping her for the visa and she is giving to him sex and take care of him [ sometimes the ml also giving money to him ] for 3 years [ the time for the PR ] or few customers accept to have baby with the ml/wl so she can take the PR in 6 months, also that involves payment from the girl to him.

[1inchguy]

Ok before I start my story

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.

Debt is number one factor to why girls join this industry.
had this Vietnamese ml working on me and told me she was in huge debt with loan sharks, the type that would harm and also huge interest on the loans. I hear these type of sharks before from relatives and personal experience from my parents. Its a pain and headache to deal with.

[silverfox1985]

I know how much she owes the bank (approx Chinese Yuan 650k), but she never told me how much the private loan is. Asked before, but she said she won’t tell me. She did not borrow money from loan sharks, but from friends and relatives. I think it is probably due to her family issues which I’m not going to elaborate here. I reckon her total debt might exceed 1 million Chinese Yuan. Well at least she is not paying those crazy interests and no life threatening loan sharks after her, which is much better than some of the girls.

[silverfox1985]

Debt is number one factor to why girls join this industry.
had this Vietnamese ml working on me and told me she was in huge debt with loan sharks, the type that would harm and also huge interest on the loans. I hear these type of sharks before from relatives and personal experience from my parents. Its a pain and headache to deal with.

I know how much she owes the bank (approx Chinese Yuan 650k), she has paid back 350k so far. But she never told me how much the private loan is. Asked before, but she said she won’t tell me. She did not borrow money from loan sharks, but from friends and relatives. I think it is probably due to her family issues which I’m not going to elaborate here. I reckon her total debt might exceed 1 million Chinese Yuan when I first met her. Well at least she is not paying those crazy interests and no life threatening loan sharks after her, which is much better than some of the girls.

[GoldfishMan]

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know...
...
If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……
...
All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.
Bro, thanks for sharing your story.
I think you've summed up very well the 2 most complicated aspects of dating a WG as a known customer.

As you started dating her after seeing her as a customer, you know and she knows that you know, that she's a WG. On your part, it does your head in as you said, but the flip side is she can at least be more open about this part of her life, so your relationship has a better chance of flourishing.

I think she doesn't want to open up about the family status back home because she might view what she has here with you as a way to "escape" her troubles there. Even if it is only mental or temporary escape. She can live a life of romance and love here and now, far away from all that trouble. Just let her enjoy it, bro, don't push too much about it unless you plan on marrying her.

[silverfox1985]

You got in pretty deep with one, exactly what ppl here dissuade others to do. I could have gotten into such situation in the past, and who knows, maybe in the future lol. It can definitely mess with your head for sure. You just gotta enjoy the moments while it lasts because nothing lasts forever.

I went through that awful feeling, knowing the girl you like is getting fucked by 8-10 customers a day. It feels like a torture. But I think I already passed that stage given it is almost a year now.

[LuvJapPusssy]

IMHO, I never understood why some guys date a WG/WL/ML.

You're literally already getting the goods from her without the fuss of having to date/take her out/buy gifts etc just to get her to put out.
Then u complicate it by going backwards & trying to date her all over again.

*Mind Blown !!*

[silverfox1985]

Did you ever read reviews on her?

I feel like I’d be too insecure to be able to do that.

It is like a stage I test. I guess if I can’t handle the review, then I need to stop asking her out and delete her wechat.

I actually pushed myself to read every single review on her (punters gradually stopped writing reviews after 6-12 months when girls slowly lost their freshness and popularity). It did give me nightmares (insomnia, to be more precise). But I managed to pass my “probation”.

There was one time that she discussed review with me. She actually complained about the narrative being exaggerated and more of an “erotic literature”, and told me she doesn’t give a shit about how they bullshit her sexual performance in the forum.

Maybe she was trying to send a message to me as well.

[TheOtherI]

It is like a stage I test. I guess if I can’t handle the review, then I need to stop asking her out and delete her wechat.

I actually pushed myself to read every single review on her (punters gradually stopped writing reviews after 6-12 months when girls slowly lost their freshness and popularity). It did give me nightmares (insomnia, to be more precise). But I managed to pass my “probation”.

There was one time that she discussed review with me. She actually complained about the narrative being exaggerated and more of an “erotic literature”, and told me she doesn’t give a shit about how they bullshit her sexual performance in the forum.

Maybe she was trying to send a message to me as well.

You’re stronger than I am, and I wish you all the best.

I don’t mind being friends/friendly with them, but dating them isn’t something I could do.

[silverfox1985]

Bro, thanks for sharing your story.
I think you've summed up very well the 2 most complicated aspects of dating a WG as a known customer.

As you started dating her after seeing her as a customer, you know and she knows that you know, that she's a WG. On your part, it does your head in as you said, but the flip side is she can at least be more open about this part of her life, so your relationship has a better chance of flourishing.

I think she doesn't want to open up about the family status back home because she might view what she has here with you as a way to "escape" her troubles there. Even if it is only mental or temporary escape. She can live a life of romance and love here and now, far away from all that trouble. Just let her enjoy it, bro, don't push too much about it unless you plan on marrying her.

Thank you. glad to see someone bringing up this topic. It is something that I can only share with people anonymously. Imagine if I tell my friends this, they will be like “WTF”.

You are right! She told me that one of the reasons she went aboard is to escape from her family issues, of course to make money too coz Chinese economy is a mess now. I think me being from the same place and having no communication barrier makes her feel safe and nostalgic too. She also admitted that this line of work is more difficult than she initially thought (like punters wanted cum twice in an hour, which really made her suffer. 69 makes her extremely uncomfortable, etc) Also she spends more time in this pit than what she initially planned.

I won’t push her as I know it very well that a WG can’t have a normal relationship or life unless she quits the sex job. I’m willing to wait and help her if she quits and asks, but I don’t know what her future plan is. I’m sure she wants something from me, but if it is a ticket out, I feel she has been waiting for too long to fire the shot.

I would like to share something from the cultural perspective. Chinese culture/social norms are really hostile towards divorced woman with kid. They are often considered as write-offs or liabilities by guys after dating/marriage. She is hitting 33 this year. Given her age, kid and line of work, she could have a pretty low self-esteem in starting a new relationship or marriage if she is open about her family status. This could explain why she never mentioned visa sponsorship again because she is afraid that her confession might freak me out and I will ditch her. Or another scenario could be she filed the divorce back home and accepted me, but I turned my back after a few years with her. Then her life will be doomed and this is 10 times worse than working in a brothel.

Some punters mentioned people having low self-esteem/social status tend to date WGs. But in China, this could be the other way around. I do have school mate back in China marrying the girl who used to do high end escort job. Some of my high school friends actually showed some kind of admiration and even envy about it. I am not saying everyone agrees with this and some people actually despise this too. I think a more accurate statement is “people specifically targeting WG to be their gf tend to have low self-esteem/social status.” To defend my position, it is not hard for me to find other girls given my income level, and I hang out with this WG because I’m willing to.

[silverfox1985]

You’re stronger than I am, and I wish you all the best.

I don’t mind being friends/friendly with them, but dating them isn’t something I could do.

Thank you! Your punters are really nice here.

[jaquedm1307]

Silverfox1985
Wow what a journey and seems far from over. Here's hoping u both get out of the friendship what u hope for and need. Admiration to someone who's prepared to put another's well being first and foremost. Here's wishing u both the very best

[snapjaw]

Silverfox I admire your openness and mental fortitude, I hope for your sake that you both find a resolution to your satisfaction 🙏

[BDU]

Every situation and every lady is different.
I have casually dated about a dozen working gals over the years without falling in love. Never bothered me that they were banging dozens of guys a week because it was just meaningless sex and I was in a real relationship anyway.
None of them ever asked for financial help or expensive gifts, we were just friends and I was certainly not after anything more than someone to talk to and share time with.
Mind you I am aware of the types to look out for, those who see money as King and will do and say anything to get you hooked and access to your wallet.
I am currently in a fabulous relationship with a girl I met in the biz a few years ago. I will not go in to details other than to say we tell each other absolutely everything about ourselves and our lives and spend a large part of our free time together. Yes I usually pay but she does sometimes and that is no different to any regular relationship I have ever had.
Am I in love, absolutely. Is she? She loves me, but in love .... the jury is out, too complex a question. Am I naive.....hell no. I know we will remain friends whatever happens and to be honest that is enough for me.
She is the reason I have not visited any WL or ML for quite some time and may never again. A truly profound positive influence on my life for all time. Most definitely one in a billion.

So saying I have to agree with a lot of the comments on here. Do not think with your dick. If you are visiting WL/ML for sexual relief then keep it contractual. If you see her outside of her place of work keep that contractual too. If she asks for financial help use your head and logic. Most times it is a major red flag.
The most important thing is what she does for you, what she gives up for you and what she talks to you about.
Does she show an honest interest in you as a person? Does she go out of her way to see you? Does she contact you just to say hello or ask how your day is?
It is the little things that she does and says that matters most.

[1inchguy]

I went through that awful feeling, knowing the girl you like is getting fucked by 8-10 customers a day. It feels like a torture. But I think I already passed that stage given it is almost a year now.

Curious, do you have friends that also punt?
I have a mate that we go punting. We don't do threesomes we see separate girls however I did recommend this wl Ive been seeing whom I believe does great service.
Long story short he started to feel for her and wanted to take her out and told me not to see the girl anymore. I just laugh. Then talked about what's the possibility of him marrying the girl, is it gonna be awkward if i see her at his house one day or them getting married knowing I already exploded all over her mouth and face?

[silverfox1985]

Curious, do you have friends that also punt?
I have a mate that we go punting. We don't do threesomes we see separate girls however I did recommend this wl Ive been seeing whom I believe does great service.
Long story short he started to feel for her and wanted to take her out and told me not to see the girl anymore. I just laugh. Then talked about what's the possibility of him marrying the girl, is it gonna be awkward if i see her at his house one day or them getting married knowing I already exploded all over her mouth and face?

Mate, I did have friends punting 5-6 years ago. I don’t seem to find anyone in my current social circle punting. At least we won’t tell each other if we punt.

The scenario you described is awkward, but it is a calculated risk if you decide to marry a WG.

[Flasher]

Thank you. glad to see someone bringing up this topic. It is something that I can only share with people anonymously. Imagine if I tell my friends this, they will be like “WTF”.

You are right! She told me that one of the reasons she went aboard is to escape from her family issues, of course to make money too coz Chinese economy is a mess now. I think me being from the same place and having no communication barrier makes her feel safe and nostalgic too. She also admitted that this line of work is more difficult than she initially thought (like punters wanted cum twice in an hour, which really made her suffer. 69 makes her extremely uncomfortable, etc) Also she spends more time in this pit than what she initially planned.

I won’t push her as I know it very well that a WG can’t have a normal relationship or life unless she quits the sex job. I’m willing to wait and help her if she quits and asks, but I don’t know what her future plan is. I’m sure she wants something from me, but if it is a ticket out, I feel she has been waiting for too long to fire the shot.

I would like to share something from the cultural perspective. Chinese culture/social norms are really hostile towards divorced woman with kid. They are often considered as write-offs or liabilities by guys after dating/marriage. She is hitting 33 this year. Given her age, kid and line of work, she could have a pretty low self-esteem in starting a new relationship or marriage if she is open about her family status. This could explain why she never mentioned visa sponsorship again because she is afraid that her confession might freak me out and I will ditch her. Or another scenario could be she filed the divorce back home and accepted me, but I turned my back after a few years with her. Then her life will be doomed and this is 10 times worse than working in a brothel.

Some punters mentioned people having low self-esteem/social status tend to date WGs. But in China, this could be the other way around. I do have school mate back in China marrying the girl who used to do high end escort job. Some of my high school friends actually showed some kind of admiration and even envy about it. I am not saying everyone agrees with this and some people actually despise this too. I think a more accurate statement is “people specifically targeting WG to be their gf tend to have low self-esteem/social status.” To defend my position, it is not hard for me to find other girls given my income level, and I hang out with this WG because I’m willing to.

There is a difference high end escort girls in China maybe only see 3 clients a week or less if lucky enough to meet a sugar daddy it will just be him till the monthly allowance & gift stop but here they see an average of 8 to 10 clients a day doing all sorts of services

[silverfox1985]

There is a difference high end escort girls in China maybe only see 3 clients a week or less if lucky enough to meet a sugar daddy it will just be him till the monthly allowance & gift stop but here they see an average of 8 to 10 clients a day doing all sorts of services

Understood, not a very good analogy. I just wanted to send my message across: “people willing to date WG are not always lack of self-esteem”’.

[Fredsal]

Every situation and every lady is different.
I have casually dated about a dozen working gals over the years without falling in love. Never bothered me that they were banging dozens of guys a week because it was just meaningless sex and I was in a real relationship anyway.
None of them ever asked for financial help or expensive gifts, we were just friends and I was certainly not after anything more than someone to talk to and share time with.
Mind you I am aware of the types to look out for, those who see money as King and will do and say anything to get you hooked and access to your wallet.
I am currently in a fabulous relationship with a girl I met in the biz a few years ago. I will not go in to details other than to say we tell each other absolutely everything about ourselves and our lives and spend a large part of our free time together. Yes I usually pay but she does sometimes and that is no different to any regular relationship I have ever had.
Am I in love, absolutely. Is she? She loves me, but in love .... the jury is out, too complex a question. Am I naive.....hell no. I know we will remain friends whatever happens and to be honest that is enough for me.
She is the reason I have not visited any WL or ML for quite some time and may never again. A truly profound positive influence on my life for all time. Most definitely one in a billion.

So saying I have to agree with a lot of the comments on here. Do not think with your dick. If you are visiting WL/ML for sexual relief then keep it contractual. If you see her outside of her place of work keep that contractual too. If she asks for financial help use your head and logic. Most times it is a major red flag.
The most important thing is what she does for you, what she gives up for you and what she talks to you about.
Does she show an honest interest in you as a person? Does she go out of her way to see you? Does she contact you just to say hello or ask how your day is?
It is the little things that she does and says that matters most.

BDU What you say makes a lot of sense. I was in a one way relationship with an ML and I really loved her and I thought she did too. Not visiting any other MLs as well. I was naive I guess.

[BDU]

BDU What you say makes a lot of sense. I was in a one way relationship with an ML and I really loved her and I thought she did too. Not visiting any other MLs as well. I was naive I guess.

Probably should have added - Does she introduce you to her non sex industry friends and her family?
In my case it is a little bit of both with a very good current reason not to let too many people know we are seeing each other. That reason will be gone in the next year so I will see how we progress then.

[Fredsal]

Probably should have added - Does she introduce you to her non sex industry friends and her family?
In my case it is a little bit of both with a very good current reason not to let too many people know we are seeing each other. That reason will be gone in the next year so I will see how we progress then.

No strictly shop no introductions. Glad I have moved on and I should have heeded all the warning signs. Hope all goes well with you BDU cheers

[JohnJones]

I know how much she owes the bank (approx Chinese Yuan 650k), she has paid back 350k so far. But she never told me how much the private loan is. Asked before, but she said she won’t tell me. She did not borrow money from loan sharks, but from friends and relatives. I think it is probably due to her family issues which I’m not going to elaborate here. I reckon her total debt might exceed 1 million Chinese Yuan when I first met her. Well at least she is not paying those crazy interests and no life threatening loan sharks after her, which is much better than some of the girls.

People with debt issues cannot be saved. They have an addiction that cannot be satiated. I know a person who sold her fully paid house to live in a rental apartment in the city with her two kids, she had an alcohol and gambling habit. She lost her job years later, had to move into the rural areas and since then have been living in a rollercoaster of financial issues. Her son stopped talking to her because she has been squandering his money - every month she'd ask him for "filial piety" money and sometimes would also demand extra "emergency" money because she lost a significant amount from gambling. And until today she refuses to fix her relationship with her son all because she believes that her son owes her his life, as if giving birth to him was a loan he had to pay off.

[JohnJones]

I went through that awful feeling, knowing the girl you like is getting fucked by 8-10 customers a day. It feels like a torture. But I think I already passed that stage given it is almost a year now.

And it's okay for you to fuck a different girl every visit to the brothel? You live in a country where people fight for gender equality, deal with it.

Some people like you are so self-absorbed.

[GoldfishMan]

And it's okay for you to fuck a different girl every visit to the brothel? You live in a country where people fight for gender equality, deal with it.

Some people like you are so self-absorbed.

Haha, leave it to JJ to take "offence" from just about anything. I'll say it again, you're full on nutcase.

[JohnJones]

IMHO, I never understood why some guys date a WG/WL/ML.

You're literally already getting the goods from her without the fuss of having to date/take her out/buy gifts etc just to get her to put out.
Then u complicate it by going backwards & trying to date her all over again.

*Mind Blown !!*

What "goods"? I'm pretty sure you're a woman pretending to be a man. Only materialistic, idiotic women would think of her pussy as "goods".

Intimacy, interaction and mental connection is the ultimate goods.

Mind blown yet, Dumbo?

[JohnJones]

Haha, leave it to JJ to take "offence" from just about anything. I'll say it again, you're full on nutcase.

And why are you the one to reply if you're not "offended"? Maybe you're also tending to those accounts.

[GoldfishMan]

And why are you the one to reply if you're not "offended"? Maybe you're also tending to those accounts.

Maybe I am. Or maybe YOU are a scorned and depraved lady using this forum as an outlet. Your behaviour sticks out like a sore thumb here.

Take a pause and LOOK at what you're posting, FFS... Self-absorbed lunatic going around accusing others of being what you really are.

[JohnJones]

Maybe I am. Or maybe YOU are a scorned and depraved lady using this forum as an outlet. Your behaviour sticks out like a sore thumb here.

Take a pause and LOOK at what you're posting, FFS... Self-absorbed lunatic going around accusing others of being what you really are.

🤣🤣🤣

Great gaslighting tactics for someone who has nothing else to say but has the ego of an elephant. As you know, elephants have big bodies but brains the size of a peanut.

I'm just an ant, I know my place, therefore I see where the fault lies in others. Is it wrong for me to point out people's idiotic rants? Where is the freedom of speech that you guys claim to practice?

[PKING2]

Calm down Bois. Different way of thinking it's all right but punter's code is number one. Otherwise no good Intel can be passed around.

[thelastdance]

Just don’t do it. It ALWAYS ends in tears. Or in the newspapers

[Footballpunter]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.

Hey bro, just read your story. Thank you for sharing. It takes a lot to come out in the open and talk about these personal feelings. I appreciate the openness.

If You don't mind, may I ask what made you want to ask her out in the beginning other than that you guys are from the same area in China? You said she asked for your wechat first, so were you not thinking about asking her out at that time, but only got closer to her after the wechat communications? Or is it that you also wanted to ask her out after your 6th visit, but didn't think it was appropriate to ask a WL out?

Anyways, best of luck to both of you. cheers

[BigPedro666]

Sounds like trouble. Wouldn't bother if I were you.

[Mickeydrippen]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.
Mr Silverfox, respect to you for that eloquent post. Your girlfriend sounds real and human like you. The amount of pathos punters on this forum feel for MLS and WLs is a real aspect of this forum. Perhaps your situation could be comparable to a bad habit like smoking. You know it could be bad for you but you keep doing it. All the best to you. Look after yourself.

[Cipjimmy]

I have been seeing a particular SW for about 10 yrs now and we are getting into some fairly intimate conversations (not of a sexual nature).
She is looking to get pregnant and probably out of the game and suspect that she wants me to do it. We get on and at the moment am happy to take it that way if it develops. The up shot is she knows I see hookers so wouldn't have to hide it as I can't see myself stopping

[17012430]

The last ML I saw outside of her work was the one to invite me out and said it was her treat. Had a good laugh at dinner, I dropped her home and no hanky panky. Was a good dinner and I wouldn't even spend that much on myself (besides for pussy) so I was grateful. Doesn't always have to be horror stories.

[Footballpunter]

The last ML I saw outside of her work was the one to invite me out and said it was her treat. Had a good laugh at dinner, I dropped her home and no hanky panky. Was a good dinner and I wouldn't even spend that much on myself (besides for pussy) so I was grateful. Doesn't always have to be horror stories.

I agree. I think it would be an interesting conversation over dinner with some of the WLs, regardless of whether there will be sex involved later.

[Footballpunter]

I have been seeing a particular SW for about 10 yrs now and we are getting into some fairly intimate conversations (not of a sexual nature).
She is looking to get pregnant and probably out of the game and suspect that she wants me to do it. We get on and at the moment am happy to take it that way if it develops. The up shot is she knows I see hookers so wouldn't have to hide it as I can't see myself stopping

you mean like get married and get pregnant or just to have a baby with?

[Shoryureppa]

I've dated WL for fun but I don't know about serious relo...

[fireball]

Feels like it is too close to home if you know her senior manager and if they know you.
If it's just for fun go for it. If it gets serious break it off.

[andrewv]

One ml told me she was going out with a few customers.
Not for anything naughty, but just for dinner/food and a chat.

Made me wonder, how many of you guys would be up for meeting a wl/ml outside the shop to share a meal and conversation?

Of course im skeptical that theres no hanky panky going on on the side or that the punters dont want or arent trying to get something sexual from it.



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The most important word in punting is, "boundaries". Mixing business and pleasure is dangerous.

[ditchtheboss]

The most important word in punting is, "boundaries". Mixing business and pleasure is dangerous.

Yep, don’t mix it. I have been out with WLs and have one who is a very good friend now. It is not worth it, I have been hurt badly, it is not worth it

[Footballpunter]

Yep, don’t mix it. I have been out with WLs and have one who is a very good friend now. It is not worth it, I have been hurt badly, it is not worth it

Yikes, what happened? Did you ask her out or she wanted something from you?

[ditchtheboss]

Yikes, what happened? Did you ask her out or she wanted something from you?

Saw your other post . It happened twice for me. The last one is probably 12 months ago now. She asked for my number first, we went out, that became a habit and we started dating, seriously dating while I contemplated the idiocy of it. PM me for more if you like

[Footballpunter]

Saw your other post . It happened twice for me. The last one is probably 12 months ago now. She asked for my number first, we went out, that became a habit and we started dating, seriously dating while I contemplated the idiocy of it. PM me for more if you like

Hey dude, your inbox is full, the system says I can't send you more PM if you don't clear it lol

[ditchtheboss]

Hey dude, your inbox is full, the system says I can't send you more PM if you don't clear it lol
Thank you will do a clean up tonight

[PKING2]

Thank you will do a clean up tonight

Who is that bro that always pm you :cool:

[ditchtheboss]

Hey dude, your inbox is full, the system says I can't send you more PM if you don't clear it lol

Try again please, I cleaned up my inbox

[ditchtheboss]

Who is that bro that always pm you :cool:

All the bros who want to fuck my friend who is the hottest trans in Sydney 🤣🙈

[abovetherim]

you mean like get married and get pregnant or just to have a baby with?

That seems like such a trap. Is he prepared to provide child support for the next 18 years?

[PKING2]

All the bros who want to fuck my friend who is the hottest trans in Sydney 🤣🙈

Damn i miss that guy. You know who the ex member of instant noodle

[ditchtheboss]

Damn i miss that guy. You know who the ex member of instant noodle

Bro, you have been doing really well lately. You have seen heaps more girls than I have. Last time I went to a shop was when I saw K Jessie more than a month ago. Ever since I have only seen my SBs. I need to up my game

[PKING2]

Bro, you have been doing really well lately. You have seen heaps more girls than I have. Last time I went to a shop was when I saw K Jessie more than a month ago. Ever since I have only seen my SBs. I need to up my game

I just got inspiration from one bro here. As N5M is my go to place I will dedicated this song for them

Marrickville Number 5!
Ha-ha-ha!
A little bit of Mika in my life
A little bit of Reina by my side
A little bit of Rumi's all I need
A little bit of Emy's what I see
A little bit of Lucie in the sun
A little bit of Roxy all night long
A little bit of Jolie, here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man (ooh!)

[ditchtheboss]

I just got inspiration from one bro here. As N5M is my go to place I will dedicated this song for them

Marrickville Number 5!
Ha-ha-ha!
A little bit of Mika in my life
A little bit of Reina by my side
A little bit of Rumi's all I need
A little bit of Emy's what I see
A little bit of Lucie in the sun
A little bit of Roxy all night long
A little bit of Jolie, here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man (ooh!)

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 . Punt artist. Would be funny if o e if the bros who play guitar recorded this. I reckon you deserve a free punt from each girl

[Footballpunter]

I just got inspiration from one bro here. As N5M is my go to place I will dedicated this song for them

Marrickville Number 5!
Ha-ha-ha!
A little bit of Mika in my life
A little bit of Reina by my side
A little bit of Rumi's all I need
A little bit of Emy's what I see
A little bit of Lucie in the sun
A little bit of Roxy all night long
A little bit of Jolie, here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man (ooh!)

Hahahahahahahahaha, I can't believe you posted it lol

I noticed you changed a name tho haha




���������� . Punt artist. Would be funny if o e if the bros who play guitar recorded this. I reckon you deserve a free punt from each girl

Trumpet, you need trumpet for this song haha.

[PKING2]

Hahahahahahahahaha, I can't believe you posted it lol

I noticed you changed a name tho haha





Trumpet, you need trumpet for this song haha.

I changed it because the last one is kind of comfort food for me lol

[Footballpunter]

I changed it because the last one is kind of comfort food for me lol

The one that you replaced or the new one you wrote? Haha

[F0x]

I just got inspiration from one bro here.


Lol was it my Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight" Punter remix

😂😂😂😂😂

[PKING2]

The one that you replaced or the new one you wrote? Haha

Yeah lol, because she is Indonesian, she is like the instant noodle indomie Goreng bro hahahahha

[Footballpunter]

Yeah lol, because she is Indonesian, she is like the instant noodle indomie Goreng bro hahahahha

hahahaha instant sex like instant noodles?

What if I like burgers and chips lol

[Footballpunter]

I just got inspiration from one bro here. As N5M is my go to place I will dedicated this song for them

Marrickville Number 5!
Ha-ha-ha!
A little bit of Mika in my life
A little bit of Reina by my side
A little bit of Rumi's all I need
A little bit of Emy's what I see
A little bit of Lucie in the sun
A little bit of Roxy all night long
A little bit of Jolie, here I am
A little bit of you makes me your man (ooh!)

When I leave Sydney this week, I would like to dedicate this song to Sydney. I first heard it (ALL MY EX'S LIVE IN TEXAS) when I was playing GTA. I thought it was very badass in the game to driving through a hick town as a black guy while blasting a country song on the radio lol.


ALL MY EX'S LIVE IN THE SYDNEY SUBURBS

Reina's down in Cabarita
Wanted me to push her broom
Sweet Jolie's in Hornsby
She forgot I hung the moon
And Jennifer’s in Carlingford
Somehow lost her sanity
And Lucie who now lives in Campsie
Got the law looking for me

And that's why I hang my hat, in Tennessee

[PKING2]

hahahaha instant sex like instant noodles?

What if I like burgers and chips lol

That instant noodle is comfort food for indonesian bro lol.

[Footballpunter]

That instant noodle is comfort food for indonesian bro lol.

ahhh, makes sense now. lol

[ditchtheboss]

When I leave Sydney this week, I would like to dedicate this song to Sydney. I first heard it (ALL MY EX'S LIVE IN TEXAS) when I was playing GTA. I thought it was very badass in the game to driving through a hick town as a black guy while blasting a country song on the radio lol.


ALL MY EX'S LIVE IN THE SYDNEY SUBURBS

Reina's down in Cabarita
Wanted me to push her broom
Sweet Jolie's in Hornsby
She forgot I hung the moon
And Jennifer’s in Carlingford
Somehow lost her sanity
And Lucie who now lives in Campsie
Got the law looking for me

And that's why I hang my hat, in Tennessee

Oh dear folks, we should go back to talking about pussy

[Footballpunter]

Oh dear folks, we should go back to talking about pussy

hahahaha I'm just relaxing before going out tonight

[ditchtheboss]

hahahaha I'm just relaxing before going out tonight

Enjoy tonight. My next punt will be next week sometime. Still not sure where to go and who to see. Already have a good recommendation in my inbox. Still deciding

[Footballpunter]

Enjoy tonight. My next punt will be next week sometime. Still not sure where to go and who to see. Already have a good recommendation in my inbox. Still deciding

haha, that's good, at least you know where to start.

[PKING2]

@ditch why not do something adventurous

Book Jessie, and book dior after that. Dior last because she got that suck till you dry moves.

I bet now you cannot walk after that

[ditchtheboss]

@ditch why not do something adventurous

Book Jessie, and book dior after that. Dior last because she got that suck till you dry moves.

I bet now you cannot walk after that

Dude don’t tempt me. You know I’d do it. Fark that’s a great idea. Man now I am tempted.

[Footballpunter]

Dude don’t tempt me. You know I’d do it. Fark that’s a great idea. Man now I am tempted.

Haha PKING2 the marketer

[ditchtheboss]

Haha PKING2 the marketer

@footballpunter, pking knows that once I had a session in the morning with a girl and then Dior in the evening of the same day. Dior absolutely drained me. After it I couldn’t remember where I had parked my car and even caught the tram in the wrong direction. Great day though

[Footballpunter]

@footballpunter, pking knows that once I had a session in the morning with a girl and then Dior in the evening of the same day. Dior absolutely drained me. After it I couldn’t remember where I had parked my car and even caught the tram in the wrong direction. Great day though

Haha fantastic day indeed. That you be you in a few days, or even tonight lol

[frisson]

I adopted the attitude of "what people don't know can't hurt them , but what they do know can hurt you". Not just in brothel world but in the real world too.

That is a very good principle

[frisson]

Most WL/ML are so desensitized with feelings, they've dealt with lots of bad guys and probably gone through lots of heartbreak as well. Even when they fall for you, its very easy for them to run away when things don't go her way. Lots of guys fall into WL/MLs trap for liking them too much

This is a great quote. It's not only seen with jaded WL, but it's also all those jaded women (and men) on dating sites who don't care about finding love, they just want to serially date people for a dinner then move on

[soupman]

Ok before I start my story, I wanna say that there are three signs indicating imminent danger
1. WG has a pattern of asking financial assistance with increasing frequency and no intention to pay back
2. WG asks expensive jewelry and design brands
3. WG asks about your residential status and your willingness to sponsor her visa (partner sponsorship)

When you notice these signs, red flag up, mission abort and run!

I have been hanging out with this Chinese WG almost a year. We are from the same place (hometown), but she is from more of the rural area. She asked for my WeChat after me seeing her the sixth time. We started messaging each other, then I asked her out. Be honest, I would not do it, if we were not from the same place. It’s just too risky if the WG is from another nationality. The Aussie-Thai/Indonesian/Korean WG couple does not normally end well. Nothing racial here.

We started dating, dinner, drinks, Chinese movies (her English is quite limited, so we can only watch Chinese movies in cinema). After we were closer, she started visiting my place. In one occasion, she even did some cooking for me. We also went short trips (like Wollongong, Hunter Valley). We know each other pretty well now (legal names, DOBs, where we worked, how much we earn, etc) except that she never told me where she lives. Considering she is living with some illegal migrants, it is understandable that she has such protocol.

We did get into fight (not relating to her line of work) occasionally, and I was so pissed off and asked her to delete my contact once. Lucky she didn’t do it.

When we spent time together, we did have sex. But I did not initiate it and only did it when she gave the clear signal.

We give each other gifts from time to time (i.e. Xmas, birthday etc). I bought her a Kate Spade wallet, she would buy me a Tommy Hifilger jacket. If I bought her some tableware, she would buy me some home decoration. She paid for things when we were out too. Like when we stayed in Hunter Valley, she took care of all food bills since I booked the accommodation.

Money wise, sometimes she asked my help to send money ($10k, $20k, etc) home to pay off her debts (banks and private loans - it’s common in China). Clearly she doesn’t know how to use NetBank and mobile apps. I use Remitly or Panda remit, sometimes the Foreign Exchange agency in Chinatown). She told me that she felt safe for me to handle this for her. There was one time she even asked me to keep her cash like $30k in my place for a few days (she used to live in a house with landlord, and they had a dispute, the landlord wanted to kick her out. She kept all her money home and was worried that the landlord might break in and took the money).

This definitely took an emotional toll, as it is not pleasant to know that the girl you are fond of sucked dicks and gets fucked in different positions 10 times in a row everyday. It took a heavy toll on her as well. She told me that this line of work completely changed her perception of sex and people’s character (she called it the line work without any morality and bottom line). Sometimes when she felt too much pressure, she might snap and stay in bed for an entire day.

Her family is pretty fucked up as far as I know. But there is one thing she keeps away from me that is she has not divorced yet and has a 7-year old kid. I actually know it because one of my schoolmate is a senior manager in her old place of work in China. I asked her a few times and also gave indication that I actually knew it like “I don’t mind that you are a mum”. She neither admitted nor denied, and always kept silent or said things like: “if you believe that is the case, so be it.” If she trusted me with her cash, why not just be open about it? I don’t know……

Now I’m not sure how this would eventually turn out. She did ask me if I had a gf or wife or ever sponsored anyone when we went out the first time. But never asked anything about visa sponsorship again. If she is fishing, then I’m definitely not a big fish in pond although I do have a decent job, an apartment (with mortgage!) and an Aussie passport. Sometimes I felt like she’s like my younger sister (but in a twisted way, coz you are not supposed to sleep with your sister).

I reckon in her situation, she definitely wants something out of me. Maybe she just needs some support/comfort here or she has not made her mind yet, or she is planning something in a longer term or she will eventually return to her husband and kid and we just say goodbye and never meet again. If she tells me everything I need to know, I don’t mind giving her a ticket out. But I’m not sure what she is up to.

All comments are welcome, fellow punters, but please do not judge.


I am a little late but thanks for sharing man heaps generous of you

[bung72]

To be honest if I were single and the invitation for dating came up with my favourite girl, I'd know I definitely shouldn't but I definitely would :) - and it would obviously end in disaster....

[Fredsal]

To be honest if I were single and the invitation for dating came up with my favourite girl, I'd know I definitely shouldn't but I definitely would :) - and it would obviously end in disaster....

True brother not worth it the end. Date someone who is fucking others?? Don’t even think about it. Enjoy the experience and move on.

[frisson]

Nice story silverfox1985
Your instincts are right

I would be never share personal details with a WL/ML. Address, are you serious?

I would hate a WL knocking on my door when I have a property manager or friend around. Just asking for trouble

Notice she isn't comfortable telling you everything about her. The distance is a healthy thing

Sorry you need the company of a WL. Best to keep things purely business

[bung72]

True brother not worth it the end. Date someone who is fucking others?? Don’t even think about it. Enjoy the experience and move on.

Yep. Wouldn't it fuck with your head?? Especially if you really liked her. But how could you turn her down?
Sorry - I've clearly taken a detour into nevergonnahappenopolis! :)

The way I see it - I pay for the GFE experience. So while I'm there, she is my girlfriend... so I get amazing experiences without the bullshit! Probably (definitely) cheaper in the long run too.... but we always want just that bit more, don't we?

[frisson]

The way I see it - I pay for the GFE experience. So while I'm there, she is my girlfriend... so I get amazing experiences without the bullshit! Probably (definitely) cheaper in the long run too.... but we always want just that bit more, don't we?

So true
Pay, have sex, leave. Don't overcomplicate things
Don't be lonely. Keep business as business
Don't be paying women $1000s in cash to support them, unless you are married to them. Don't be a knight in shining armour

Think with your brain at all times

[Nelly69]

speaking of which, I saw a big bunch of flowers delivered to SBM the other day. was wondering if it was one of the punters here was dating a ML. lol

[bung72]

S

Think with your brain at all times

Absolutely, but only in the state of post-nut clarity!

[asiafever]

Absolutely, but only in the state of post-nut clarity!

As a wise young ml once sang to me
"I want you to
To love me, to love me, to love me, but don't fall in love
To hold me, to hold me, to hold me, but not for too long
I want you to love me, to love me, but don't fall in love
'Cause I'm not the one to love"

[Fredsal]

As a wise young ml once sang to me
"I want you to
To love me, to love me, to love me, but don't fall in love
To hold me, to hold me, to hold me, but not for too long
I want you to love me, to love me, but don't fall in love
'Cause I'm not the one to love"

True another wise ML told me… see everyone, fuck all the girls but don’t give your heart to anyone. Enjoy your life!!!

[ditchtheboss]

After being an idiot in thi area a couple of times, what works for me is to have the right mindset of why I am seeing them. Folks call it a transaction. I have to go further than that.

My mindset going into the punt is not to have s girlfriend experience but I am going to have sex, hard dirty sex.

It doesn’t change how I treat her, always respect them and treat them well but I no longer engage things such as talk too much, cuddle for too long, etc… if we cuddle, I get hard again and I get her to either suck me or ride me. I go for rounds 2 and 3 and avoid all the conversation, etc…

It has worked well.

If I am out with a SB I no longer walk around holding hands or doing anything that resembles a relationship. I may see them outside the shop but my mindset is different than before.

It has worked, I have had more and better sex and if I get the smallest hint of the feels I get her to bend over and I fuck her real hard in doggy and finish in her mouth. Get her to clean up my dick with her tongue. Would never ask a girlfriend to do that.

So I get better sex, more sex and no feels

[bung72]

After being an idiot in thi area a couple of times, what works for me is to have the right mindset of why I am seeing them. Folks call it a transaction. I have to go further than that.

My mindset going into the punt is not to have s girlfriend experience but I am going to have sex, hard dirty sex.

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I'm a bit of a hopeless romantic, always have been since I was a teen.... I'm probably in the wrong 'hobby'!

[Footballpunter]

speaking of which, I saw a big bunch of flowers delivered to SBM the other day. was wondering if it was one of the punters here was dating a ML. lol

yikes, is it me or is sending flowers to a shop kinda cringy? I wouldn't mind sending flowers to a girl's office, but the shop, I'm not sure about that one.

[ditchtheboss]

yikes, is it me or is sending flowers to a shop kinda cringy? I wouldn't mind sending flowers to a girl's office, but the shop, I'm not sure about that one.

No it is not you. Sending flowers to the shop is 1000% cringe

[ditchtheboss]

I'm a bit of a hopeless romantic, always have been since I was a teen.... I'm probably in the wrong 'hobby'!

Watch yourself. They don’t love you and not every Asian WL will fall for you. You are not a god, from their perspective you are just a bastard paying for sex.

[Footballpunter]

Don't be a knight in shining armour


quite frankly, some of them don't even need a knight in shining armor

[Axeman123]

quite frankly, some of them don't even need a knight in shining armor That's because there's plenty of everything to ride 'em like a horse.

[TheOtherI]

quite frankly, some of them don't even need a knight in shining armor

More often than not, that knight in shining armour turns out to just be a retard in tin foil. Haha

[Nelly69]

No it is not you. Sending flowers to the shop is 1000% cringe

Yeah I didn't find out which ML or mamasan the flowers were addressed to but yeah a big cringe.

[Footballpunter]

More often than not, that knight in shining armour turns out to just be a retard in tin foil. Haha

Haha you got that right, retard indeed

[Footballpunter]

Watch yourself. They don’t love you and not every Asian WL will fall for you. You are not a god, from their perspective you are just a bastard paying for sex.

True, once a wl told me that once you paid for sex, they will always just see you as a punter

[gedinsyd]

yikes, is it me or is sending flowers to a shop kinda cringy? I wouldn't mind sending flowers to a girl's office, but the shop, I'm not sure about that one.

Totally agree that this is hugely cringe...

[gedinsyd]

These girls are working to provide a paid service. They're not doing it just for the fun of it even though there may be a few that might go out with customers for some benefit. Sending flowers to a shop will attract laughter and probably no respect from the shop owners or staff.

It is true that once you pay to be with a girl, she will always see you as a customer even if you do her many favours. More importantly, she won't care about you. It's more likely she will look down on you as a loser who couldn't get laid with a normal girl and had to pay to see her. As one ML said to me about customers, "I don't give a fuck about customers. I will never see them outside the shop and if I run into someone in the street, I will ignore him". That basically sums up what many girls think about customers.

Don't take flowers or chocolates to a girl in a shop. Go meet a real girl if you really want a proper relationship without the headaches and worries when dating these working girls who see many customers. They will only bring you closer to being a wreck. Best to follow wise words of Brother Rooter when punting. You pay your money to be with a hot girl. Have your fun, leave everything there and walk out as a new man knowing you did the deed with a hot girl.

So true...well said

[MrSmashOrPass]

I've made friends with girls who quit working as WL/ML and those who are still in the industry, for those who still work as WL/ML I put boundaries in place where I don't involve money with each other, don't see them at their work & no sex. They tell me stories on how their work is at the shop and I share my shop adventure stories.

For girls who quit the industry then we don't discuss to our mutual friends how we met, some of the girls find a guy for a Visa or have a genuine relationship they don't want an ex customer causing drama for them.

[the_champ]

yikes, is it me or is sending flowers to a shop kinda cringy? I wouldn't mind sending flowers to a girl's office, but the shop, I'm not sure about that one.
You can't get much cringier...

[bung72]

It’s weird… we meet in these bizarre intimate situations, but both sides probably look down on the other? It’s all very hypocritical…

[AJJ]

Fuck im enjoying this thread! It's definitely putting everything into perspective for me, especially if I am starting to get a little too close to these girls. I have had a couple of relationships with ML and it has never gone well for me. Actually it's nearly done my head in haha!!
I just follow the golden 3 F rules now and enjoy a much better life.
Find them
Fuck them
Forget them!!!!

[BDU]

Fuck im enjoying this thread! It's definitely putting everything into perspective for me, especially if I am starting to get a little too close to these girls. I have had a couple of relationships with ML and it has never gone well for me. Actually it's nearly done my head in haha!!
I just follow the golden 3 F rules now and enjoy a much better life.
Find them
Fuck them
Forget them!!!!

Then every now and then one comes along that you cannot forget

[bung72]

You wouldn’t be human if you didn’t get a bit too attached at times lads….

[ditchtheboss]

You wouldn’t be human if you didn’t get a bit too attached at times lads….

Some of us have been super humans at times. I am more than happy I am no longer one

[asiafever]

Then every now and then one comes along that you cannot forget

(Turn around)
Every now and then
I get a little bit lonely
And you're never coming 'round

(Turn around)
Every now and then
I get a little bit tired
Of listening to the sound of my tears

(Turn around)
Every now and then
I get a little bit nervous
That the best of all the years have gone by

(Turn around)
Every now and then
I get a little bit terrified
And then I see the look in your eyes

(Turn around, bright eyes)
Every now and then I fall apaaaaart
(Turn around, bright eyes)
Every now and then
I fall apaaaaaaaart

And I need you now tonight
And I need you more than ever
And if you only hold me tight
We'll be holding on forever
And we'll only be making it right
'Cause we'll never be wrong

Together we can take it to the end of the line
Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time

I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark
We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks

I really need you tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight
Forever's gonna start tonight

Once upon a time I was falling in love
But now I'm only falling apart
There's nothing I can do
A total eclipse of the heeewAAAAAAart

Once upon a time there was light in my life
But now there's only love in the dark
Nothing I can say
A total eclipse of the heeeeeeeaaaaaaart

Sorry, little karaoke interlude. That song instantly came to.mind when I read "every now and then"...


Yeah I know what you mean but you've always got to keep your feet planted in reality.

You ever see Top Gun?
You know the scene, after Goose dies, they've conducted the investigation, Maverick is cleared, he's in the bathroom and Viper comes in and tells him about his squadron in Vietnam and how they lost so many men etc, and at the end he says "There'll be others, you can count on it. You've got to let him go."

Same deal. There'll be others, you've got to let them go.

[BDU]

All true peeps and I can relate with past eperiences.
It is a cliche for sure but my current relationship (ex ML) is working out just fine even if it is hard work some times.