China economy crisis - more MLC WLs onshore soon?

[begov94]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/01/economy/xi-jinping-new-year-address-economy-intl-hnk/index.html

There's probably going to be a huge influx of fresh MLCs coming to Australia, which will definitely drive down quality. Well, if only it helps to drive down the prices as well... The sex industry should start following supply and demand pricing if it wants to keep afloat.

In Japan there's reports of illegal street hookers on the rise as well. Police have been cracking down on a lot of illegal street hookers in Tokyo. And I'm pretty sure in South Korea where prostitution is absolutely illegal there's also a rise in illegal hookers popping up all over town.

[rooter]

The lack of Chinese WLs in Sydney the last few years is not because of the Chinese economy.
It is because the granting of visas has tightened up since Covid and the relationship between the Chinese and Australian governments became less friendly.
It will still take some time before things go back how they were 4 years ago, or maybe they never will.

[spir55]

not sure if there is will be an influx of WL. The cost of living has increased over the years (eg. 40 yrs ago a 20 kg box of oranges could be brought at flemington markets for $3.00. Go to the shops now and see the prices. Petrol per ltr has increased over the years).

Speaking to a ML two months ago we got on the topic of renting. ML said she was paying $640 a week. The ML is 23 yr old now so when she reaches her 30's plus will she as many clients?

I spoke to a Thai ML who has been working for years here in NSW. She has not applied to Australian citizenship.

[JSteel96]

Bring more gals here I am always happy to punt many sexy Chinese or Asian gals. The more the better.

[begov94]

I spoke to a Thai ML who has been working for years here in NSW. She has not applied to Australian citizenship.

I don't see any reasons for the Thai girl not to take up Australian citizenship. Thailand does allow dual citizenship, and it would've been cheaper for her to do that rather than renewing her PR every 5 years - that is if she's on a PR.

Only people from countries such as China, Japan, Singapore etc who wants to retain their original citizenship who will opt to stay as a PR in Australia for their whole lives. The affair is slightly expensive but I can see why Japanese and Singaporean passport holders want to hold onto their citizenship.

[frisson]

True story, the youth unemployment rate is 20% and that's in the main Chinese cities
Xi is now a one man government and his subordinates are too scared to bring him any bad news. It's an economy that cannot tely on the success of the past any longer

The one child policy went on for far too long and will cripple their economy permanently because immigration remains restricted. Remember that Chinese labour is no longer cheap as there isn't the supply of young workers any more willing to work in factories. The international work is shifting quickly to Thailand and Vietnam where regulations are more reliable

If youth unemployment rises further to 30-40% a few interesting things will happen. Only a war remains to give Xi any legitimacy, otherwise he is gone. Young will leave the country if they can. Many will come to Australia for study and want to stay.

[begov94]

True story, the youth unemployment rate is 20% and that's in the main Chinese cities
Xi is now a one man government and his subordinates are too scared to bring him any bad news. It's an economy that cannot tely on the success of the past any longer

The one child policy went on for far too long and will cripple their economy permanently because immigration remains restricted. Remember that Chinese labour is no longer cheap as there isn't the supply of young workers any more willing to work in factories. The international work is shifting quickly to Thailand and Vietnam where regulations are more reliable

If youth unemployment rises further to 30-40% a few interesting things will happen. Only a war remains to give Xi any legitimacy, otherwise he is gone. Young will leave the country if they can. Many will come to Australia for study and want to stay.

Unfortunately dictatorship such as China, Russia and some South American countries fail to see the effects of a brain drain. China is relying on its overseas agents and companies such as Huawei and Tiktok on spying for trade secrets such as microprocessors, food safe chemicals and packaging etc to create it's own international standard competition to boost its economy. That plan is now failing as US agencies such as FBI and CIA is working with all Five Eyes countries to crack down on Chinese spying. Any execs from Intel, Coca-Cola etc that have flights to China are being stopped and questioned for potential corporate espionage.

[frisson]

Unfortunately dictatorship such as China, Russia and some South American countries fail to see the effects of a brain drain. China is relying on its overseas agents and companies such as Huawei and Tiktok on spying for trade secrets such as microprocessors, food safe chemicals and packaging etc to create it's own international standard competition to boost its economy. That plan is now failing as US agencies such as FBI and CIA is working with all Five Eyes countries to crack down on Chinese spying. Any execs from Intel, Coca-Cola etc that have flights to China are being stopped and questioned for potential corporate espionage.

Sorry can't US business people wanting to sell industry secrets just mail secrets on a USB?

Anyway I agree with you. Xi didn't count on being locked out of higher end semiconductors. The West specifically passed legislation in the last 12 months to restrict countries access to chips used in high end AI, to prevent China's military from progressing. It's Game Over

Belt and Road also is failing internationally as trust has been irrevocably eroded. Who wants debt imprisonment?

Back to punting. There may be restrictions on the young leaving the country. A brain drain and loss of labour however would be the icing on a very large cake of decline. Even India has a larger population and a much better demographic structure

[Sibon]

The lack of Chinese WLs in Sydney the last few years is not because of the Chinese economy.
It is because the granting of visas has tightened up since Covid and the relationship between the Chinese and Australian governments became less friendly.
It will still take some time before things go back how they were 4 years ago, or maybe they never will.

I've read that Chinese "students" over 35 are not granted student visas anymore. They used to be hanging around Australia extending from course to course to prolong their student visas

So there'll be less MILFs around for us. :)

[frisson]

The lack of Chinese WLs in Sydney the last few years is not because of the Chinese economy.
It is because the granting of visas has tightened up since Covid and the relationship between the Chinese and Australian governments became less friendly.
It will still take some time before things go back how they were 4 years ago, or maybe they never will.

I'm always an optimist - but with Sydney punting things will never be the same again. Full service will outprice itself for many men

The winners I predict will be the massage shops

[begov94]

Sorry can't US business people wanting to sell industry secrets just mail secrets on a USB?

Anyway I agree with you. Xi didn't count on being locked out of higher end semiconductors. The West specifically passed legislation in the last 12 months to restrict countries access to chips used in high end AI, to prevent China's military from progressing. It's Game Over

Belt and Road also is failing internationally as trust has been irrevocably eroded. Who wants debt imprisonment?

Back to punting. There may be restrictions on the young leaving the country. A brain drain and loss of labour however would be the icing on a very large cake of decline. Even India has a larger population and a much better demographic structure

The FBI intercepts all mails containing digital storage devices such as USB sticks and HDDs. This is to prevent corporate secrets from being leaked out. No one messes with the FBI, and those who do would've bought one way tickets to countries with no extradition treaties with US.

The only thing that stops young people from leaving their countries is poverty. If you can't afford a passport you basically can't afford to travel outside the country without financial aid from relatives. And the story about China eradicating poverty 100% is now proven a myth. There's many Tiktok videos recently of Chinese students complaining about how expensive it is to live in Australia and all other major Western countries. Many are looking to move to cheaper Southeast Asian countries such as Laos, Cambodia or Thailand to make their RMB worth something, but of course they're not going to work in the sex industry there.

I'm pretty sure the Chinese will try to find a way to come here either on a business visa or any temporary visas. They view the sex industry here as a quick way to make money so that they can spend it overseas, hence if they get to work 12hour shifts daily for 3 months they can already make enough to live a good life in Thailand or Laos.

[begov94]

I'm always an optimist - but with Sydney punting things will never be the same again. Full service will outprice itself for many men

The winners I predict will be the massage shops

On my last few punts months ago I also noticed that brothels are getting a little quieter - no one does walk-ins as much as before and there's always at least 4-5 girls free. Massage shops are a little busier with more walk-ins as well. Many will opt for 30mins NHJ as it is the cheapest option.

[charmingninjaman]

Unfortunately dictatorship such as China, Russia and some South American countries fail to see the effects of a brain drain. China is relying on its overseas agents and companies such as Huawei and Tiktok on spying for trade secrets such as microprocessors, food safe chemicals and packaging etc to create it's own international standard competition to boost its economy. That plan is now failing as US agencies such as FBI and CIA is working with all Five Eyes countries to crack down on Chinese spying. Any execs from Intel, Coca-Cola etc that have flights to China are being stopped and questioned for potential corporate espionage.

Mate, you been listening to too much Sky News and ASPI lol

China's economy declining economy is due to their massive real estate bubble popping after the CCP refused to bailout Evergrande and other massive developers which issued corporate bonds to large US asset management firms like Blackrock and Ashmore Group to fund their pyramid schemes. This caused apartment prices in cities like Shenzhen to skyrocket to $11000 aud per sqm - compared with Sydney apartments at around $2500 per sqm. For a country which a median salary around $1500 aud per mth - this is crazy.

Got a few Chinese mates which bought very old property to hold just for the sake of getting bought out at a later date by big developers - obviously things haven't gone too well as of late, but a few which exited just in time made very good money from it. That boat has sailed now.

Couple this with the authoritarian lockdowns during Covid - and this is what we get. Very similar story in Australia.
In both Australia and China - things will remain slow for at least the next 2-3 years.

[begov94]

Mate, you been listening to too much Sky News and ASPI lol

China's economy declining economy is due to their massive real estate bubble popping after the CCP refused to bailout Evergrande and other massive developers which issued corporate bonds to large US asset management firms like Blackrock and Ashmore Group to fund their pyramid schemes. This caused apartment prices in cities like Shenzhen to skyrocket to $11000 aud per sqm - compared with Sydney apartments at around $2500 per sqm. For a country which a median salary around $1500 aud per mth - this is crazy.

Got a few Chinese mates which bought very old property to hold just for the sake of getting bought out at a later date by big developers - obviously things haven't gone too well as of late, but a few which exited just in time made very good money from it. That boat has sailed now.

Couple this with the authoritarian lockdowns during Covid - and this is what we get. Very similar story in Australia.
In both Australia and China - things will remain slow for at least the next 2-3 years.

Sorry, not a fan of Sky News. The "Intel" I got was actually from a CBS documentary where they shared CCTV footage of an FBI interrogation on a lady who's on Coca-Cola's payroll and was also selected by the Chinese government as part of a entrepreneurial program that rewards people for stealing corporate secrets. Not sure of the lady's nationality whether she's Chinese or US citizen although she's ethnically Chinese. The FBI caught her red handed with sensitive information in her USB drive about to leave for China.

Although it's true that the economy in China is collapsing due to real estate blunder and dwindling manufacturing, you also have to blame their totalitarian government for allowing corruption to go out of control and causing all that economic downturn.

Even Taiwan under the ROC aka Kuomintang wasn't big on economy as they were totalitarian as well. The current ruling party was the reason why a small island such as Taiwan is able to sustain itself economically, although these days it is too reliant on the electronics industry especially semiconductor manufacturing.

[rooter]

Australia is a fantastic country and one of the few countries in the world worth living in, so people will always come to Australia to live, work, play, earn money, raise a family etc (including WLs).
If you had the good fortune to be born in Australia or migrated here or are here for a long stay then consider yourself very lucky.
Lets face it, 80% or 90% of the world is pretty fucked. Poverty, disease, hunger, war, civil war, dictatorship of left or right, terrorism, overcrowding, pollution etc.
There are only a handful of countries in the world that provide a half decent life for most of it's people - Australia, USA, Canada, UK, Western Europe, a few countries in Asia and that's just about it. And Australia is close to the top of the very top nations.
So relax. Enjoy living in Australia. If you are here forever, or a long time, or a short time. Enjoy! Have a drink, have a feed, go to the beach, have a picnic, go fishing, watch the cricket, and yeah have a punt ... of course have a fucken punt!
Enjoy brothers! Enjoy!

[Whyme]

It never ends, another year, another "CHinA iS AbouT COllaPse" narrative cooked up while China grows stronger every year. Do people hoping for the west's biggest geopolitical rival to magically collapse get tired of getting lied to year after year ?

[woodland]

Agree with whyme.

The level of development from China over the last 40 years is phenomenal, and they did it without invasion or war. The same cannot be said of the US, Germany, Japan or Russia.


Australia is fantastic because we literally stole the land scott free for nothing and it turns out to be filled with excellent grade minerals and resources. Pure luck largely, nothing to do with democracy or rule of law.
Of course the latter is helpful no doubt.

[frisson]

Australia is a fantastic country and one of the few countries in the world worth living in, so people will always come to Australia to live, work, play, earn money, raise a family etc (including WLs).
If you had the good fortune to be born in Australia or migrated here or are here for a long stay then consider yourself very lucky.
Lets face it, 80% or 90% of the world is pretty fucked. Poverty, disease, hunger, war, civil war, dictatorship of left or right, terrorism, overcrowding, pollution etc.
There are only a handful of countries in the world that provide a half decent life for most of it's people - Australia, USA, Canada, UK, Western Europe, a few countries in Asia and that's just about it. And Australia is close to the top of the very top nations.
So relax. Enjoy living in Australia. If you are here forever, or a long time, or a short time. Enjoy! Have a drink, have a feed, go to the beach, have a picnic, go fishing, watch the cricket, and yeah have a punt ... of course have a fucken punt!
Enjoy brothers! Enjoy!

It's no coincidence that almost every country on that list has a western democracy tradition
Feel sorry for those who have no option to dispose of corrupt, incompetent governments
Any doubts then read about the city of 'Beirut'

[frisson]

Australia is fantastic because we literally stole the land scott free for nothing and it turns out to be filled with excellent grade minerals and resources. Pure luck largely, nothing to do with democracy or rule of law.
Of course the latter is helpful no doubt.

I disagree. Reasonably sound government and a corruption free legal system had a lot to do with Australia's success

Africa is filled with countries born with immense mineral resources, all squandered by corrupt governments. All African countries suffer from corruption

If Nigeria had discovered Australia, I can promise you Australia today would resemble Mad Max, Fury Road. I'm serious

As such, half of all healthcare are in Africa has to be provided by church organisations as the governments are all broke

[ColesBag]

Australia is fantastic because we literally stole the land scott free for nothing.

Terra Nullius.

If the people who supposedly lived here for all of that time did sweet fuck all with it then what were the British supposed to think ? It could have been the French or Dutch that could have discovered Australia.

[begov94]

It's no coincidence that almost every country on that list has a western democracy tradition
Feel sorry for those who have no option to dispose of corrupt, incompetent governments
Any doubts then read about the city of 'Beirut'

A friend who is Christian Leb mentioned about how bad it is in his home country. First there was the war that displaced his family, then now the hyperinflation and conflicts happening in the northern part of the country. The Middle East can never find peace...

[frisson]

Terra Nullius.

If the people who supposedly lived here for all of that time did sweet fuck all with it then what were the British supposed to think ? It could have been the French or Dutch that could have discovered Australia.
The Dutch almost settled in Australia first. They run things differently. Look how their other colony, South Africa, turned out

[begov94]

The Dutch almost settled in Australia first. They run things differently. Look how their other colony, South Africa, turned out

Malaysia was also taken from the Portuguese by the Dutch. The British eventually acquired Malaysia through a ceasefire agreement between the British and the Dutch. During the British Malaya era as both protectorate and colony it was doing quite well. When the British gave independence to most of its former colonies (India, Malaysia, PNG) it all went downhill after decades because the natives aren't as industrialised mentally like their East Asian counterparts.

Singapore was able to do well without British or American intervention because the country is ruled by an East Asian ethnic that has great work ethics. In fact, the first Singaporean PM mentioned about being bribes by the CIA for some reason, and he done that agent away.

[begov94]

I disagree. Reasonably sound government and a corruption free legal system had a lot to do with Australia's success

Africa is filled with countries born with immense mineral resources, all squandered by corrupt governments. All African countries suffer from corruption

If Nigeria had discovered Australia, I can promise you Australia today would resemble Mad Max, Fury Road. I'm serious

As such, half of all healthcare are in Africa has to be provided by church organisations as the governments are all broke

In these countries the politicians always say things such as they love their country, that they will die for their motherland, but always do the opposite. The politicians there come from privileged families and they all have overseas education. Even Kim Jong Un went to college in Switzerland. Their main goal is to amass as much wealth as they can from their own motherlands just so that they can retire in Western countries when they're done stealing all the wealth.

These countries should enact laws that stops people with overseas assets from running the country. If the UK can impose laws for their monarch and put heavy pressure on their PMs, every other sovereign countries should be able to scrutinize their leader's reason for staying in power.

[Sibon]

I'm always an optimist - but with Sydney punting things will never be the same again. Full service will outprice itself for many men

The winners I predict will be the massage shops

Don't worry many punters are happily married men. They'll go back to their wives if massage prices get too high.

The winners I predict will be the wives and the institution of marriage.

[begov94]

Don't worry many punters are happily married men. They'll go back to their wives if massage prices get too high.

The winners I predict will be the wives and the institution of marriage.

We'll need to create a wives Meetup group led by an ML who can teach these housewives how to give good part 1 followed by part 2 & 3 at home. We can probably strike a deal with massage table manufacturers to sell to each of these households - the ones with two holes would be better.

[frisson]

A friend who is Christian Leb mentioned about how bad it is in his home country. First there was the war that displaced his family, then now the hyperinflation and conflicts happening in the northern part of the country. The Middle East can never find peace...

Australia originally chose to rescue the oppressed Christian Lebanese from that country. They were being terribly threatened by the other religion. They were allowed to seek Australian refugee status as a persecuted people.
Somehow that immigration scheme was corrupted and we ended up bringing more of the other warring party instead ! Explain that if you can

[frisson]

And the story about China eradicating poverty 100% is now proven a myth.

Wow. Did leaders say they have eradicated poverty? That is the basic Communist lie right there

Even in Australia, PM Bob Hawke couldn't eliminate childhood poverty in a rich developed country. The chances of a poorly run economy, solving poverty, is ludicrous. Just watch their youth unemployment rate rise further by 2026. Growth forecasts are close to zero if the real estate bubble fully hits the general public

[begov94]

Australia originally chose to rescue the oppressed Christian Lebanese from that country. They were being terribly threatened by the other religion. They were allowed to seek Australian refugee status as a persecuted people.
Somehow that immigration scheme was corrupted and we ended up bringing more of the other warring party instead ! Explain that if you can

I think it all started with Australia's allies - the USA and the UK. They feel obliged to accept refugees from the culture that refuses to adapt because they're invading their lands. Australia unfortunately fell into that trap because they're a UN signatory country that agreed to accept refugees regardless of backgrounds.

Also the woke culture popping up in every Western countries these days are also contributing towards the issue - they don't know what they're protesting about and they definitely don't know what kind of people are they championing for to allow into the country.

[begov94]

Wow. Did leaders say they have eradicated poverty? That is the basic Communist lie right there

Even in Australia, PM Bob Hawke couldn't eliminate childhood poverty in a rich developed country. The chances of a poorly run economy, solving poverty, is ludicrous. Just watch their youth unemployment rate rise further by 2026. Growth forecasts are close to zero if the real estate bubble fully hits the general public

They did that by closing off big cities like Shanghai and Beijing from those living in rural areas, and employing White Monkeys to become spokesman. Xinjiang is the worst, they won't show anything outside of the bazaar part of Urumqi city. They portray the Uyghurs as if they're people who dance and sing songs 24/7 and do nothing else. Tibet is also pretty much the same. My only way of knowing how my people are living their lives in the outskirts of Urumqi is by subscribing to their YouTube channel. It doesn't have that many followers but I'm glad the channel owner is still running it regardless.

[frisson]

Back to punting, Australia is seen by some Chinese parents as much safer than the US, due to less crime, poverty and no guns

Australia unfortunately however has become much more expensive to live in, as has every stable western country. We are just not able to attract anymore than the most wealthy or skilled immigrants, and we are competing, in particular with Canada

[ReginaldBubbles]

They did that by closing off big cities like Shanghai and Beijing from those living in rural areas, and employing White Monkeys to become spokesman. Xinjiang is the worst, they won't show anything outside of the bazaar part of Urumqi city. They portray the Uyghurs as if they're people who dance and sing songs 24/7 and do nothing else. Tibet is also pretty much the same. My only way of knowing how my people are living their lives in the outskirts of Urumqi is by subscribing to their YouTube channel. It doesn't have that many followers but I'm glad the channel owner is still running it regardless.

You're a Uyghur now?

[begov94]

You're a Uyghur now?

According to my DNA results I am partly Uyghur by 3%. Everyone in Central Asia would have a small percentage of Uyghur DNA, but I'm talking about the original Uyghur people from more than 1,000 years ago during the Uyghur Khaganate. At that time Uyghurs were mostly East Asian but the modern Uyghur is an admixture of East Asian Uyghur and Persian.

[frisson]

According to my DNA results I am partly Uyghur by 3%. Everyone in Central Asia would have a small percentage of Uyghur DNA, but I'm talking about the original Uyghur people from more than 1,000 years ago during the Uyghur Khaganate. At that time Uyghurs were mostly East Asian but the modern Uyghur is an admixture of East Asian Uyghur and Persian.

Why does noone have street marches about the Uyghur people imprisoned in those camps? There must be at 1000 of them in re-education, and sterilization camps

Do their religious group internationally ever protest for them?

[begov94]

Why does noone have street marches about the Uyghur people imprisoned in those camps? Do their religious group internationally ever protest for them?

Those protests are a trend. When they're tired of protesting for the Uyghurs, they shift their focus onto whales and dolphins then back to humans. And as you can see in recent days they're focusing on Palestine but neglected the Yemenis. That's why I say those protesters know nothing about what they're protesting about. It's like in Granville and Bankstown area - they all talk about Muslim world domination but still frequent massage shops asking for part 3 from a non-Muslim ML as if eating pork was normal for them. My respects for Muslims who hold their 5 pillars but not for these hypocrites who view women as sex toys and non-Muslims as if they're insects.

[frisson]

Those protests are a trend. When they're tired of protesting for the Uyghurs, they shift their focus onto whales and dolphins then back to humans. And as you can see in recent days they're focusing on Palestine but neglected the Yemenis

What about the Syrians??
Weren't the opposing side left homeless, and their whole country bombed senseless by their president? There is still a civil war there right? Wheres the protest?

[frisson]

Who view women as sex toys and non-Muslims as if they're insects.

Infidels is the term, lower than an insect

[bummer]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/01/economy/xi-jinping-new-year-address-economy-intl-hnk/index.html

There's probably going to be a huge influx of fresh MLCs coming to Australia, which will definitely drive down quality. Well, if only it helps to drive down the prices as well... The sex industry should start following supply and demand pricing if it wants to keep afloat.

In Japan there's reports of illegal street hookers on the rise as well. Police have been cracking down on a lot of illegal street hookers in Tokyo. And I'm pretty sure in South Korea where prostitution is absolutely illegal there's also a rise in illegal hookers popping up all over town.

all street hookers in Japan are illegal.

but there are better names to use rather than hookers, to make them legal.

[begov94]

What about the Syrians??
Weren't the opposing side left homeless, and their whole country bombed senseless by their president? There is still a civil war there right? Wheres the protest?


Infidels is the term, lower than an insect

When I lived in Malaysia there were many of these hypocrites as well because they were empowered by the government which decided to declare Malaysia as a "Muslim country". Everytime you hear stupid propaganda about honourable killings etc from their community, but in the end of the day they're horny bastards who can't control their tiny dicks. Only the ones properly following the faith didn't bother with the propaganda and protests. Surprisingly I made friends with many relatives of the royal families there, none of them subscribe to such crap because they know that the country would've been swallowed whole by the dogs if it wasn't for non-Muslims.

[frisson]

When I lived in Malaysia there were many of these hypocrites as well because they were empowered by the government which decided to declare Malaysia as a "Muslim country". Everytime you hear stupid propaganda about honourable killings etc from their community, but in the end of the day they're horny bastards who can't control their tiny dicks. Only the ones properly following the faith didn't bother with the propaganda and protests. Surprisingly I made friends with many relatives of the royal families there, none of them subscribe to such crap because they know that the country would've been swallowed whole by the dogs if it wasn't for non-Muslims.
What happens to a country if it's taken over? Sharia?

[begov94]

all street hookers in Japan are illegal.

but there are better names to use rather than hookers, to make them legal.

According to the report I saw, most of these illegal street workers were pimped out either by yakuzas or lonely girls who frequented male host bars but can't payback their debts, and so the host pimped them out to repay those debts but often the interests on the debt will keep increasing to keep them paying a non-existing debt.

[frisson]

According to the report I saw, most of these illegal street workers were pimped out either by yakuzas or lonely girls who frequented male host bars but can't payback their debts, and so the host pimped them out to repay those debts but often the interests on the debt will keep increasing to keep them paying a non-existing debt.

That's horrible. Sex slavery. Surely the government or a hidden Aid Agency doesn't offer aid and support to these women? Hard to believe isn't it?

[begov94]

What happens to a country if it's taken over? Sharia?

In Malaysia and Singapore there's a Sharia court that applies only to those registered as Muslims. Every Malaysian and Singaporean citizen is required to register their religion and ethnicity. In Brunei, Sharia law is applicable to everyone regardless of religion. You can go to jail for posession of alcohol or disrespecting Islam in Brunei. And ironically Bruneians will travel overseas to do the things they can't do in their own countries.

Try googling the Brunei Sultan. His scandals are crazy but no one can say anything about him in his own country - he's both the King and PM.

[begov94]

That's horrible. Sex slavery. Surely the government or a hidden Aid Agency doesn't offer aid and support to these women? Hard to believe isn't it?

Unfortunately I don't think Japan has enough NGOs that care enough about all this issues. Everyone turns a blind eye on things and police can only act with sufficient evidence.

[frisson]

Sorry, not a fan of Sky News. The "Intel" I got was actually from a CBS documentary where they shared CCTV footage of an FBI interrogation on a lady who's on Coca-Cola's payroll and was also selected by the Chinese government as part of a entrepreneurial program that rewards people for stealing corporate secrets.

You know immediately you have won the debate and your opponent cant win when they accuse you of listening to the media. Most commonly Murdoch is blamed, but Sky is a variant of the excuse of debating the issue

'Your viewpoint is invalid. I accuse you of not being able to think independently. Your viewpoint is based on the opinion of media source XYZ'.

[begov94]

You know immediately you have won the debate and your opponent cant win when they accuse you of listening to the media. Most commonly Murdoch is blamed, but Sky is a variant of the excuse of debating the issue

'Your viewpoint is invalid. I accuse you of not being able to think independently. Your viewpoint is based on the opinion of media source XYZ'.

That's the news about the corporate/economic espionage:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/coca-cola-chemist-gets-14-years-for-passing-can-secrets-to-china#:~:text=Xiaorong%20You%2C%20a%20Pennsylvania %20woman,economic%20espionage%2C%20and%20wire%20fr aud.

[frisson]

That's the news about the corporate/economic espionage:

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/coca-cola-chemist-gets-14-years-for-passing-can-secrets-to-china#:~:text=Xiaorong%20You%2C%20a%20Pennsylvania %20woman,economic%20espionage%2C%20and%20wire%20fr aud.

"Brother your viewpoint is definitely valid. You are able to think independently. Your viewpoint is not based on the opinion of media source XYZ"

The woman selling US secrets got 14 years jail. It's treason and should be a life sentence

The Thousand Talents espionage program was one of hundreds of reasons that the US has decoupled from this country. 100% rational business decision.

Does the US need a 'The Thousand Talents espionage program'?. It doesn't because it attracts a huge amount of the worlds investment money. US encourages and cherishes its big business owners such as the big tech owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos

[frisson]

If that country had transformed into a democratic system it could have had the US as a solid partner and with a conventional government structure and opposition, would not have made so many wrong economic decisions including the one child policy. But with no history of democracy and not able to trust the leap, it's destiny is now sealed. It will return to warlords governing the main provinces within half a century, particularly in the north
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_Era

[frisson]

Back to punting, the numbers of young Chinese even available for immigration may be minimal in theong term, well after we are gone

The China population may halve based on the current evidence

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/09/03/chinas-population-to-drop-by-half-immigration-helps-us-labor-force/

This is an independent medical journal source. Eye-opening details

[begov94]

Back to punting, the numbers of young Chinese even available for immigration may be minimal
The China population may halve based on the current evidence

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/09/03/chinas-population-to-drop-by-half-immigration-helps-us-labor-force/

This is an independent medical journal source. Eye-opening details

In China they're also facing issues with low birthrates due to families not knowing how to make money through hard work. Many got rich by government buying their land by force and handing them wads of cash. When they use up the money they've got no income to replenish. Only the smart ones knew how to invest whereas others like government servants relied on corruption.

Many young guys are taught by their families that the only way to success and finding a girlfriend is to be nonsensically rich. They don't believe in romance or wooing the opposite sex. The women are also taught that they need to find the richest man and do all they can to secure that person as a husband regardless of age gap. And this is why scams coming from China are getting rampant - people are chasing "success" based on who gets rich the quickest.

If they want any hopes of getting their birth rates up they need to stop such mentalities towards money and success, because it's becoming a situation where even the ugliest girl in the country only wants to marry the richest man in China. I'm not pushing any red pill ideology here but that's what is happening basically these days. And the young Chinese girls coming here aspiring to be WLs should really retune their heads to accept the reality that not all Aussies are rich and willing to throw money onto mediocre services.

[frisson]

In China they're also facing issues with low birthrates

We haven't even mentioned the gender disparity yet in those of reproductive age. Unless as a baby you were male, let's sensitively say there are more young men than young women over there. Has big implications for creating smaller subsequent generations

And implications for punting, less women available in the population to travel overseas

One child policy. Brilliant idea indeed

Do not impose strict demographic laws unless your record keeping of your population is reliable and accurate ! And don't dispose of your bureaucrats if they deliver bad news about birthrates !

You have to act on bad news, not sit on it

[ReginaldBubbles]

According to my DNA results I am partly Uyghur by 3%. Everyone in Central Asia would have a small percentage of Uyghur DNA, but I'm talking about the original Uyghur people from more than 1,000 years ago during the Uyghur Khaganate. At that time Uyghurs were mostly East Asian but the modern Uyghur is an admixture of East Asian Uyghur and Persian.

And 97 percent bullshit.

[begov94]

We haven't even mentioned the gender disparity yet in those of reproductive age. Unless as a baby you were male, let's sensitively say there are more young men than young women over there. Has big implications for creating smaller subsequent generations

China is male dominated. Some females may be "ejected" through abortion back in the days. They view daughters as a waste of human life, however these days they'll accept a daughter if she can be groomed to marry a rich husband in the future. Nothing is without purpose in a Chinese household mentality - everything is basically an "investment".

I won't be surprised if these girls tell their parents they're working as WLs overseas - the parent's response would be "How many customers you get each day, and how much you charge per hour?".

[begov94]

And 97 percent bullshit.

Actually, bullshit can't grow to become an embryo. It needs both sperm and egg. Isn't that why you're on a punting forum? To learn why you're still not satisfied after releasing billions of sperm since puberty?

[frisson]

I won't be surprised if these girls tell their parents they're working as WLs overseas - the parent's response would be "How many customers you get each day, and how much you charge per hour?".

There's only one religion over there, as you suggest

[begov94]

There's only one religion over there, as you suggest

One religion for the ethnic communists. For the minorities we have many other religions - free to choose.

[frisson]

Money, was the religion I was referring to

[begov94]

Money, was the religion I was referring to

That's it. You do know that communists weren't supposed to believe in religions? Except in North Korea where the Kim family is god. Small g not capital.

[woodland]

I disagree. Reasonably sound government and a corruption free legal system had a lot to do with Australia's success

Africa is filled with countries born with immense mineral resources, all squandered by corrupt governments. All African countries suffer from corruption

If Nigeria had discovered Australia, I can promise you Australia today would resemble Mad Max, Fury Road. I'm serious

As such, half of all healthcare are in Africa has to be provided by church organisations as the governments are all broke

I agree with you frisson.

Although having taken such a massive pieces of land (in Australia and North America), along with the slave trade and centuries of abuse in colonial outposts in India, Africa and Asia has really given Wastern nations a substantial leg up over any other power.
Had the West acted the way the say they have acted - via rule of law, free speech, free trade and non aggression -purely through good governance and work ethic this advantage would be a lot smaller.


Say there's two families A and B - both similar levels of assets.
Father A raids and the house of B and takes most of the wealth.
This wealth is then invested wisely in investments and education. Son A goes to elite an school and graduates top of his class at Oxford. Son A donates to charitable causes.
Father B drinks to his demise after most of his wealth is taken.
Son B struggles to make ends meet - uneducated and unemployed.

We, as a culture, tend to focus a lot more on the success of Son A, attributing the success of Family A on the son's work ethic and education etc.
Rather, methinks most of the success is driven by the dirty work of Father A.

Just here to give a different point of view.

Once a country slides into poverty its very hard to overcome it. Just look at Argentina.
The way China managed to bootstrap itself out of poverty without violence is very respectable. Few other countries have managed. Taiwan of course being another.

[priapus1966]

Australia is a fantastic country and one of the few countries in the world worth living in, so people will always come to Australia to live, work, play, earn money, raise a family etc (including WLs).
If you had the good fortune to be born in Australia or migrated here or are here for a long stay then consider yourself very lucky.


I returned to Australia a while back after 30 years mostly OS. Australia is simply one of the very best punting spots on the planet. We have WL's and ML's of every variety to meet every-ones hopes. Sure there are occasional irritations, but don't get bitter, just move on to the next prospect. While seeing a new lady on Monday I reminded myself that 2024 is my 40th year of punting and it's great.

For 2024 I predict that by years end, unemployment will tick up a bit which will bring more local talent into the market. Not top talent perhaps, but enough new girls will take a little of the sting for financially challenged punters.

[frisson]

For 2024 I predict that by years end, unemployment will tick up a bit which will bring more local talent into the market. Not top talent perhaps, but enough new girls will take a little of the sting for financially challenged punters.

Do you predict the days in Sydney, of affordable full service, are about to finish, never to return?

I dread to hear what people pay out of Sydney and Melbourne for full service. Must be horrible

[begov94]

Do you predict the days in Sydney, of affordable full service, are about to finish, never to return?

I dread to hear what people pay out of Sydney and Melbourne for full service. Must be horrible

At $300/hr I don't think it's affordable at all for most.

Those days when brothels charged $150-250 people rather go to brothels instead of massage shops. At brothels standard FS is $90/30mins while at massage shops it's roughly the same for NHJ so people opted for brothels.

These days I think that the brothels were the ones shooting themselves in the foot - the influx of short stay Japanese WLs were demanding prices through the roof for mediocre services, which made massage shops comparably cheaper if MLs charged standard price of $150 in non-legit shops.

Then the Thai MLs start shooting themselves in the foot by charging $200-$250 tips for FS in non-legit shops. It's becoming a price war ever since.

[frisson]

At $300/hr I don't think it's affordable at all for most

Amazing answer. You certainly have your finger on the pulse of what is influencing Sydney punting prices

The bigg st competition to a brothel will be the massage shop now. If a brothel wants to charge big, let's see if it's customers are going to punt frequently there

My prediction is that COVID has ruined everything forever. But also things weee never as fmgoid as when the Federal Governments of both perversions had an open tap on immigration. Those days are gone for at least the decade until we have enough houses in the main cities to live in

For those who rent and don't own a property, without a good job, you absolutely need aus99 to know where the price gouging is happening to avoid those places

To those in the community who don't know about this forum or how to access value for money punting, you are stuffed

[woods23]

I agree with you frisson.

Although having taken such a massive pieces of land (in Australia and North America), along with the slave trade and centuries of abuse in colonial outposts in India, Africa and Asia has really given Wastern nations a substantial leg up over any other power.
Had the West acted the way the say they have acted - via rule of law, free speech, free trade and non aggression -purely through good governance and work ethic this advantage would be a lot smaller.


Say there's two families A and B - both similar levels of assets.
Father A raids and the house of B and takes most of the wealth.
This wealth is then invested wisely in investments and education. Son A goes to elite an school and graduates top of his class at Oxford. Son A donates to charitable causes.
Father B drinks to his demise after most of his wealth is taken.
Son B struggles to make ends meet - uneducated and unemployed.

We, as a culture, tend to focus a lot more on the success of Son A, attributing the success of Family A on the son's work ethic and education etc.
Rather, methinks most of the success is driven by the dirty work of Father A.

Just here to give a different point of view.

Once a country slides into poverty its very hard to overcome it. Just look at Argentina.
The way China managed to bootstrap itself out of poverty without violence is very respectable. Few other countries have managed. Taiwan of course being another.

Well said Mr Wood. Spot on on your different point of view. I don't think this two average Americans here would agreed with you !!!
The west raid and steal to climbing to the top.

Once Fallen no empire ever come back- Roman, Mongolia etc. The British empire is gone, usa has taken over after ww2....now the USA is beginning to fall !

China- is the only country
that's rise from the
bottom to the top 4
times.

Reading some of the posts makes laughs so hard thinking they're expert haha." Lifting out of Poverty is a myth " haha get real dudes . Have any of you been to China in the 80s? Then 2000 ? And the last 10 yrs? Well I had...

Look at the high speed rails? In short 10yrs china have the longest speed rail the world's combined( 42, 00km) . It took them 5 yrs to build the Beijing Airport...Sydney tram 25km :shout: how time over budget?

Can you two name another country?

[ReginaldBubbles]

Amazing answer. You certainly have your finger on the pulse of what is influencing Sydney punting prices



Oh shit! You're the original Vinnie???

[Sibon]

Do you predict the days in Sydney, of affordable full service, are about to finish, never to return?

I dread to hear what people pay out of Sydney and Melbourne for full service. Must be horrible

Generally it used to be $100 tips for FS.

Girls in North Strathfield and Epping for example demands $150 for FS tips. It doesn't mean they are better looking.

One girl I met in Epping for $150 but when I met her in Burwood her tips went down to $100. Same girl, same hole but different shops and suburbs.

[HappyDongDong]

I would be delighted to know how many of you China expert in this thread have actually been to China?

[frisson]

I have travelled to several provinces in China, including it's capital, recently

[woods23]

I have travelled to several provinces in China, including it's capital, recently

Great, Then tell us of your experience! What you see there ?any old bicycle, home less with tents , drug stations, beggars, Dirty streets there?

Last I heard that the government is so nice they passed a law for stealing, under 1k is free? Ppl are doing it tough over there. Im not sure if China or the USA, I can't remember now. Can correct me Mr Expert?

HUAWEI ( no 1 seller in 2019 ) is the only company can risen back to the top again after heavy sanction by the USA. Alstom , Toshiba what happened to them both? Usa clearly don't like competition.

[charmingninjaman]

Am I correct that you haven't been to either of these countries you are talking about? Or even know anyone from these countries? :miao:
I've been to both these counties recently and still keep in touch with friends and business associates from both sides of the strait.

The fact is, quality of life in Taiwan has has been on a severe decline since the dotcom bust in the early 2000's - talk to any young Taiwanese under 40 and they will tell you.

Western countries and their media love to paint the picture that democracy and elections somehow lead to prosperity, good governance and better quality of life for citizens- when that link could hardly be substantiated.


This is especially true in SE Asia (where my parents are from) - where the vast majority of poverty was actually caused by Western Countries meddling in the geopolitical affairs and colonialism -

Cambodia - in the 70's it was a vibrant hub of culture and rock n roll, until the US secretly dropped half a 550,000 tons of bombs - killing over 500,000 civilians in the process, which then completely destabilised the country and led to a dictator named Pol Pot taking over - which then led to a genocide of 30% of the population.

Vietnam - Everyone knows about the Vietnam war, but nobody in the West and Nixon purposely destabilized all early peace talks between the South and North in a conceited effort to prolong the war (they succeeded). They also faked the second gulf of tonkin incident to enter the war themselves. US president Lyndon B Johnson later admitted that if an election were held in Vietnam - the Viet Cong would have won by a long shot.


Lets not even talk about the US and the CIA meddling in the affairs of the Middle East - toppling a democratically elected Iranian government via a coup in order to protect the interests of Big Oil - after Mossadegh threatened to nationalise it. This was basically the first domino in what was to be all the wars we see in the Middle East till this day.

Go over to Africa and you see the exact same story - how the CIA secretly toppled Patrice Lumumba, the FIRST democratically elected leader of the country - in order to install a dictator by the name of Mobutu, a ruthless dictator which amassed a personal fortune of 5billion US dollars, while he's people lived in poverty.

This is all information you can look up through declassified records - unfortunately, the West thinks they are free thinking, but we are actually the most propagandized people in the world and history is never taught in schools - at least not the real and balanced version.

Luckily for these countries - the US has been in decline since losing the Vietnam war and Iraq, and this has given other countries a chance to self govern. Quality of life are is to improve at least in Asia and Africa. I first visited Vietnam, Cambodia and China over 30 years ago - the change is night and day when I go there now. My relatives in Asia used to be envious of me for being born in Australia - that is no longer the case. I'm ashamed to say that for atleast a couple of them - their quality of life is better than what I have here :sweat:. We don't realize how hard we have to work in this country just to get ahead.

[charmingninjaman]

Sorry, not a fan of Sky News. The "Intel" I got was actually from a CBS documentary where they shared CCTV footage of an FBI interrogation on a lady who's on Coca-Cola's payroll and was also selected by the Chinese government as part of a entrepreneurial program that rewards people for stealing corporate secrets. Not sure of the lady's nationality whether she's Chinese or US citizen although she's ethnically Chinese. The FBI caught her red handed with sensitive information in her USB drive about to leave for China.

Although it's true that the economy in China is collapsing due to real estate blunder and dwindling manufacturing, you also have to blame their totalitarian government for allowing corruption to go out of control and causing all that economic downturn.

Even Taiwan under the ROC aka Kuomintang wasn't big on economy as they were totalitarian as well. The current ruling party was the reason why a small island such as Taiwan is able to sustain itself economically, although these days it is too reliant on the electronics industry especially semiconductor manufacturing.





Am I correct that you haven't been to either of these countries you are talking about? Or even know anyone from these countries? :miao:
I've been to both these counties recently and still keep in touch with friends and business associates from both sides of the strait.

The fact is, quality of life in Taiwan has has been on a severe decline since the dotcom bust in the early 2000's - talk to any young Taiwanese under 40 and they will tell you.

Western countries and their media love to paint the picture that democracy and elections somehow lead to prosperity, good governance and better quality of life for citizens- when that link could hardly be substantiated.


This is especially true in SE Asia (where my parents are from) - where the vast majority of poverty was actually caused by Western Countries meddling in the geopolitical affairs and colonialism -

Cambodia - in the 70's it was a vibrant hub of culture and rock n roll, until the US secretly dropped half a 550,000 tons of bombs - killing over 500,000 civilians in the process, which then completely destabilised the country and led to a dictator named Pol Pot taking over - which then led to a genocide of 30% of the population.

Vietnam - Everyone knows about the Vietnam war, but nobody in the West and Nixon purposely destabilized all early peace talks between the South and North in a conceited effort to prolong the war (they succeeded). They also faked the second gulf of tonkin incident to enter the war themselves. US president Lyndon B Johnson later admitted that if an election were held in Vietnam - the Viet Cong would have won by a long shot.


Lets not even talk about the US and the CIA meddling in the affairs of the Middle East - toppling a democratically elected Iranian government via a coup in order to protect the interests of Big Oil - after Mossadegh threatened to nationalise it. This was basically the first domino in what was to be all the wars we see in the Middle East till this day.

Go over to Africa and you see the exact same story - how the CIA secretly toppled Patrice Lumumba, the FIRST democratically elected leader of the country - in order to install a dictator by the name of Mobutu, a ruthless dictator which amassed a personal fortune of 5billion US dollars, while he's people lived in poverty.

It's unfortunate - but when a country gets hit with war or is destabilized - it takes a generation for them to recover.
This is all information you can look up through declassified records - unfortunately, the West thinks they are free thinking, but we are actually the most propagandized people in the world and history is never taught in schools - at least not the real and balanced version.

Luckily for these countries - the US has been in decline since losing the Vietnam war and Iraq, and this has given other countries a chance to self govern. Quality of life are is to improve at least in Asia and Africa. I first visited Vietnam, Cambodia and China over 30 years ago - the change is night and day when I go there now. My relatives in Asia used to be envious of me for being born in Australia - that is no longer the case. I'm ashamed to say that for atleast a couple of them - their quality of life is better than what I have here :sweat:. We don't realize how hard we have to work in this country just to get ahead.

[frisson]

Am I correct that you haven't been to either of these countries you are talking about? Or even know anyone from these countries? :miao:
I've been to both these counties recently and still keep in touch with friends and business associates from both sides of the strait.

The fact is, quality of life in Taiwan has has been on a severe decline since the dotcom bust in the early 2000's - talk to any young Taiwanese under 40 and they will tell you.

Western countries and their media love to paint the picture that democracy and elections somehow lead to prosperity, good governance and better quality of life for citizens- when that link could hardly be substantiated.


This is especially true in SE Asia (where my parents are from) - where the vast majority of poverty was actually caused by Western Countries meddling in the geopolitical affairs and colonialism -

Cambodia - in the 70's it was a vibrant hub of culture and rock n roll, until the US secretly dropped half a 550,000 tons of bombs - killing over 500,000 civilians in the process, which then completely destabilised the country and led to a dictator named Pol Pot taking over - which then led to a genocide of 30% of the population.

Vietnam - Everyone knows about the Vietnam war, but nobody in the West and Nixon purposely destabilized all early peace talks between the South and North in a conceited effort to prolong the war (they succeeded). They also faked the second gulf of tonkin incident to enter the war themselves. US president Lyndon B Johnson later admitted that if an election were held in Vietnam - the Viet Cong would have won by a long shot.


Lets not even talk about the US and the CIA meddling in the affairs of the Middle East - toppling a democratically elected Iranian government via a coup in order to protect the interests of Big Oil - after Mossadegh threatened to nationalise it. This was basically the first domino in what was to be all the wars we see in the Middle East till this day.

Go over to Africa and you see the exact same story - how the CIA secretly toppled Patrice Lumumba, the FIRST democratically elected leader of the country - in order to install a dictator by the name of Mobutu, a ruthless dictator which amassed a personal fortune of 5billion US dollars, while he's people lived in poverty.

This is all information you can look up through declassified records - unfortunately, the West thinks they are free thinking, but we are actually the most propagandized people in the world and history is never taught in schools - at least not the real and balanced version.

Luckily for these countries - the US has been in decline since losing the Vietnam war and Iraq, and this has given other countries a chance to self govern. Quality of life are is to improve at least in Asia and Africa. I first visited Vietnam, Cambodia and China over 30 years ago - the change is night and day when I go there now. My relatives in Asia used to be envious of me for being born in Australia - that is no longer the case. I'm ashamed to say that for atleast a couple of them - their quality of life is better than what I have here :sweat:. We don't realize how hard we have to work in this country just to get ahead.
Yes, I have personally travelled to China recently
Read the title of the thread, it's about one countries economy
All the points you raise, I agree with, but they are all off topic
Also, the topic is about the future of one economy

[woodland]

Woods and charming - I totally agree with you guys. There are those who understand history and those who do not.

[AHLUNGOR]

Well said Mr Wood. Spot on on your different point of view. I don't think this two average Americans here would agreed with you !!!
The west raid and steal to climbing to the top.

Once Fallen no empire ever come back- Roman, Mongolia etc. The British empire is gone, usa has taken over after ww2....now the USA is beginning to fall !

China- is the only country
that's rise from the
bottom to the top 4
times.

Reading some of the posts makes laughs so hard thinking they're expert haha." Lifting out of Poverty is a myth " haha get real dudes . Have any of you been to China in the 80s? Then 2000 ? And the last 10 yrs? Well I had...

Look at the high speed rails? In short 10yrs china have the longest speed rail the world's combined( 42, 00km) . It took them 5 yrs to build the Beijing Airport...Sydney tram 25km :shout: how time over budget?

Can you two name another country?

Well said brother Woods,

If someone said the USA and its weapon manufacturers and the CIA are the most evil and causing so much conflicts and war and suffering in the whole world, this someone will be crushed to dead but probably has told the truth.

There are so much discrepancies in what we hear and made to believe in all the main stream media from the western world , it’s really hard to tell what’s going on out there and why certain things had happened.

So perhaps we could look at some cold hard facts:

Since the US and it’s Allies have won the WWII, the USA could not win the Korean War, was running away from Vietnam, started the invasion of Iraq with a tube of washing powder (aka evidence of weapons of mass destruction), ran away from Afghanistan then stole billions of dollars from the Afghan people. Talking about stealing, oil trucks are stealing oil from the war torn country of Syria on a daily basis. Really too much to mention but it’s all out there if anyone care to know the truth.

China did not fire a bullet or drop a bomb in the Middle East but recently built a high speed railway between the holy cities of Medina and Mecca. Sponsored the re-establishment of diplomatic relationships between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

While the western world is continuously accusing China is doing terrible things in Xinjiang against the minority Uyghurs people. Just imagine this, if the Chinese government had ever done anything bad towards the Muslims in Xinjiang, the Middle Eastern countries are not blind and still be so friendly with Xi ?

Please just consider the facts and not fiction.

Ps. One more point, the US Vice President Harris recently visited an African country tried to talk them out of Belt and Road Initiative with China and don’t fell into the “debt traps “!

The President of that country corrected Harris immediately and told her, there is no debt traps from China, the airport you just landed on, the highway your motor vehicles took to arrive at the city and the hotel which you are staying were all built by China !

Enough said ?

[begov94]

Good point about China:

- Why did China aka the Middle Kingdom had to rise and fall 4 times in the past 3 thousand years?
- Why did Deng Xiaoping went against Mao's ideologies instead of follow through, especially in the "free market" policies?
- Why is China still an isolationist country up until today? Although only partially it is still trying to impose short term visitor visas where visitors HAVE to detail all their travels and stays, and only certain countries can enter China with visa on arrival.
- Why restrict travellers to Xinjiang and Tibet to strict monitored tours instead of free travel?
- Why do they not allow rural folks to enter big cities without proper permit?
- Why introduce the social demerit points system? And have facial recognition cameras everywhere?
- Why do you even live here in Australia if China is so damn "great"?
- Why is China disrespecting Hong Kong's autonomy and disrespecting Taiwan's border sovereignty despite international pressure?

Before you lava headed freaks hit the keyboard, take the time to think about these questions.

[frisson]

The title of the thread relates one country, and it's economic future.
If we can stick to the title of the thread, that would avoid changing the subject, and avoiding the topic

So, take a deep breath in
Now choose to debate any of the many points made about the topic already, relating to the future of the economy of that one country that the OP introduced

Start your debate with the likely impact of the one child policy on that countries economy likely to impact over 20-30 years (and cannot be fixed now), and then we have debate starting

[GoldfishMan]

And 97 percent bullshit.

Lollll.... Nice one!!

[GoldfishMan]

Good point about China:

- Why did China aka the Middle Kingdom had to rise and fall 4 times in the past 3 thousand years?
- Why did Deng Xiaoping went against Mao's ideologies instead of follow through, especially in the "free market" policies?
- Why is China still an isolationist country up until today? Although only partially it is still trying to impose short term visitor visas where visitors HAVE to detail all their travels and stays, and only certain countries can enter China with visa on arrival.
- Why restrict travellers to Xinjiang and Tibet to strict monitored tours instead of free travel?
- Why do they not allow rural folks to enter big cities without proper permit?
- Why introduce the social demerit points system? And have facial recognition cameras everywhere?
- Why do you even live here in Australia if China is so damn "great"?
- Why is China disrespecting Hong Kong's autonomy and disrespecting Taiwan's border sovereignty despite international pressure?

Before you lava headed freaks hit the keyboard, take the time to think about these questions.

Actually the most relevant questions are, why are YOU so one dimensionally against China and why are all your types so pointedly biased against anything "China"?

Can you not play another tune? Sure, I hate the US for their weapons manufacturing and apparent preference toward anything that would allow those industries to thrive (gun control in their own backyard, war in other regions, etc), but I am still able to admire some of their other contributions to society.

Can you not be level headed at all? Do you not know that by being so pointedly biased and fanatical about a subject, you are making it impossible for anyone but a similar minded person to support your views?

I've always been fascinated by these folks that are truly fanatical about something. It feels like you're trying to will an apparent "evil" into existence, and ignoring everything else in the process. I think it's another sign of mental illness.

[frisson]

'It feels like you're trying to will an apparent "evil" into existence, and ignoring everything else in the process'

The OP started a thread
The original post, have a read, discusses the discussion by the President about the economy. Feel free to discuss the topic of this original post

[begov94]

No point in entertaining the lava heads who think highly of themselves by pushing others down with conjectures.

No economy in the world is bulletproof. End of story. Some "developments" done are nothing but smoke and mirrors to avoid a massive revolt like the one that almost happened due to the Zero COVID policy. It's like inciting another Boxer Rebellion except that the Western powers are not there to help quell the rebellion.

Back to the topic - if China is really going through an economic downturn (which in many previous news article have proven), will there be more young and middle aged women from China coming over to Australia to work as WLs as it has been a popular gig for many of them throughout the current decade?

[begov94]

'It feels like you're trying to will an apparent "evil" into existence, and ignoring everything else in the process'

The OP started a thread
The original post, have a read, discusses the discussion by the President about the economy. Feel free to discuss the topic of this original post

This is what lava heads do. Maybe IRL they've been smacked around like donkeys so they lurk here as an "escape" from reality rather than share actual good information about where to get a good punt.

[begov94]

Am I correct that you haven't been to either of these countries you are talking about? Or even know anyone from these countries?

Believe what you want.
I have been deep enough to know that it is all smoke and mirrors. I have friends whose fathers work as government servants for the CCP. Bribery is very common - many of them even described the bribes as RMB100 notes rolled and packed neatly into cigarette boxes. If one box of 20 can hold RMB2,000 imagine how much is the total bribe when a whole carton is gifted that way.

My ex-wife was from Guangdong region right next to Guangzhou City. Her "village" is considered countryside although it's probably an hour walk to the city, and they still live in communal villages where everyone shares the same surname. Her younger brother and younger sister now lives in Guangzhou and are barely floating. The brother runs a real estate company pre-COVID, not sure if it's still around as the real estate bubble had burst. Maybe back then Guangzhou and other major cities were viewed as "much more prosperous" than Australia but you can't hide the fact that the economic bubble there bursts quite rapidly.

A friend who visited Shenzhen interviewed locals living and working there - many said that their jobs are quickly running out as the development phase is too rapid. Whenever Apple introduces a new product, no one wants to buy anything older than the current model so they lose out on all the unsellable stocks. I remember back in 2017, many Chinese friends laughed at me for owning an Oppo phone despite it coming from their country.

Even in SE Asia it's very similar - when development comes it is just too rapid for people to catch up. This is why many SE Asians still have that "village" mentality despite seeing modern development in major cities - but the problem is that the rural areas are still underdeveloped with electricity blackouts being very common because their electricity generator plants just don't have enough capacity to power the infrastructure.

I can see now why you talk the way you did - you've never seen an actual hard life in the rural areas before. You've never felt what it's like walking through paddy fields, herding livestocks and having to eat your own harvests. And here you're trying to talk about pussies as if they're toys solely for extracting sperm.

[begov94]

Thinking about it, that's probably the reason why my ex-wife sent money to her own bank account in China behind my back. The smoke and mirrors was starting to fade. But the problem is that she wouldn't come clean about it even after I confronted her, hence the reason for our divorce - not so much about the money but a lot about the broken trust.

That broken trust was enough for anyone to shut themselves in and become avoidant attached, but not for me.

[charmingninjaman]

Good point about China:

- Why did China aka the Middle Kingdom had to rise and fall 4 times in the past 3 thousand years?
- Why did Deng Xiaoping went against Mao's ideologies instead of follow through, especially in the "free market" policies?
- Why is China still an isolationist country up until today? Although only partially it is still trying to impose short term visitor visas where visitors HAVE to detail all their travels and stays, and only certain countries can enter China with visa on arrival.
- Why restrict travellers to Xinjiang and Tibet to strict monitored tours instead of free travel?
- Why do they not allow rural folks to enter big cities without proper permit?
- Why introduce the social demerit points system? And have facial recognition cameras everywhere?
- Why do you even live here in Australia if China is so damn "great"?
- Why is China disrespecting Hong Kong's autonomy and disrespecting Taiwan's border sovereignty despite international pressure?

Before you lava headed freaks hit the keyboard, take the time to think about these questions.



Thats a lot to go through, and to answer these questions properly would require historical context. I will try my best -

- Why did China aka the Middle Kingdom had to rise and fall 4 times in the past 3 thousand years?

Umm.... all great civilisations rise and fall. Isn't it a strength that the Middle Kingdom was able to come back 4 times? I don't think any other civilisation has achieved this feat? Do you think the US will still be the same 400 years from now?

- Why did Deng Xiaoping went against Mao's ideologies instead of follow through, especially in the "free market" policies?

It's no secret that Mao's great leap forward was a massive failure which caused the famine and deaths of millions. This was a mistake even the current day CCP acknowledge - hence the reason their government have been trying to obtain a balance between capitalist and socialist policies. Why is reform to something which works better suddenly seen as a negative? :sweat:

- Why is China still an isolationist country up until today? Although only partially it is still trying to impose short term visitor visas where visitors HAVE to detail all their travels and stays, and only certain countries can enter China with visa on arrival.

Lol, isn't that the same as Australia and USA? It's common to put the reason of your stay on ANY Visa application (have you ever watched Border Force?).
China is the second largest economy in the world - over 140 million people visit China a year for holiday and business, would you really call that isolationist? :sweat:


- Why restrict travellers to Xinjiang and Tibet to strict monitored tours instead of free travel?

Ummm...... again, I visited Tibet and we were able to freely go anywhere we wanted - so don't know what you referring to lol. I never been to Xinjiang, but have been to Qinghai - getting into Xinjiang again wouldnt have been a problem if I wanted to and some of the locals did suggest it to me due to my love for Uyghur food.



- Why do they not allow rural folks to enter big cities without proper permit?

This was already relaxed significantly in the 90's when urbanization started. China is a massive country with 1 billion people - can you imagine if all of them just crowded into Beijing? Would have been disastrous as all the working class people would have left the rural areas, leaving no one to produce food and provide services - don't forget, 30 years ago, they were still carrying water in buckets from the lake. They talking about relaxing it further this year as most areas in China including urban areas already have access to clean food and water.


- Why introduce the social demerit points system? And have facial recognition cameras everywhere?

When I ask my Chinese friends living in China about such a system - all of them are puzzled :sweat:
Someone has already covered it - so maybe just go read this - https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/22/1063605/china-announced-a-new-social-credit-law-what-does-it-mean/

The source can also be confirmed elsewhere.

- Why do you even live here in Australia if China is so damn "great"?

Laughable question :miao: - many Australians love going to Bali and Thailand, why not go ask them why they aren't living there? :miao:
But if you must know - I was born in Australia, my family is here, all my business and assets are here. I might move to Asia for retirement as there is more to do there - but that is a fair while away.


- Why is China disrespecting Hong Kong's autonomy and disrespecting Taiwan's border sovereignty despite international pressure?

This is a question which is often asked by people who don't know how to see things through a historical context. Off top of my head, I can think of 3 things -
Opium Wars: Western powers forced China to cede territory and accept unequal treaties after profiting from drug trade.
Civil War: US backed KMT despite their loss, contributing to Taiwan's complex status.
Modern Era: US involvement in Asia raises questions about motivations and influence.

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The mistakes and greed of past Western governments and elites have led to many geopolitical issues we face today in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.
And then you have all these Bogans complaining and wondering why other cultures outnumber their own in Australia :miao:
Most wouldn't have left their own country if it wasn't turned to shit by Western meddling.

[charmingninjaman]

Thinking about it, that's probably the reason why my ex-wife sent money to her own bank account in China behind my back. The smoke and mirrors was starting to fade. But the problem is that she wouldn't come clean about it even after I confronted her, hence the reason for our divorce - not so much about the money but a lot about the broken trust.

That broken trust was enough for anyone to shut themselves in and become avoidant attached, but not for me.

Ok, so this is the real reason you hate China. Understood :sweat:

Let it go my man - I've had plenty shitty relationships, especially with Viets. But to me, pussy is pussy - could be good or bad regardless of the colour :miao:

[begov94]

Valid arguments. Then again here's my discussion:

Many other civilisations rise and fall as well. The Romans were replaced by the Byzantine's, The Mongols were replaced by the Dzungar Khanate that the Qing Dynasty feared the most and had to bribe other lesser Mongol tribes into destroying the Dzungar who ironically were their brethrens, Japan was temporarily administered after WWII and came back up, The Russian Empire were replaced by the Bolsheviks USSR and subsequently the Russian Federation. Your argument about China being the one and only "superpower" is irrelevant because you overlooked the other world powers which, similar to China, changed their names but still rule a similar plot of land.

In regards to Deng Xiaoping - I brought that up to showcase how your "China is great" argument is invalid because if that was the case, Deng Xiaoping would've followed through Mao's "perfect" ideology like how the Kims in North Korea maintained their outdated ones.

Your biased views on the foreign businesses conducted on Chinese soil fails to complete the isolationist argument. That's to showcase how much China is afraid that real news about it's rural poverty and dodgy constructions would be exposed if many tourists were given visa on arrival without scrutinising their itineraries. Just look up the serpentza and laowhy86 YouTube channels - they even provide all sorts of hard evidences of all the faults the CCP government was trying to hide.

Where did you go "freely" in Tibet? Do you even know the local Tibetan language? I sure do. More than just a simple "Tashi delek" or "Shogpa delek". I eat Tsampa on a regular basis, and I am also partly Tibetan. Your BS about walking freely in the whole of Tibet or the whole of Lhasa doesn't work on me.

As far as I know those permits for rural folks to enter big cities haven't been relaxed as you claim. There's still a huge number of permits not yet approved just to take care of the city's "image" to foreign businessman.

Bali is different from here. People go there purely as a holiday destination. Aussies are permitted to buy homes in Bali, many of them do but not as crazy as MLCs. Most MLCs come to Australia and don't even want to go back permanently because they know in the future their lives are fucked. Many of my Chinese friends say that themselves.

And you also fail to admit that it is the nature of many ARROGANT Chinese people to disrespect the autonomy and sovereignty of others like a Chihuahua trying to show off against a rottweiler. Just look at the South China Sea and Indian border mess.

Western meddling - if that's true you wouldn't call yourself an Aussie born. You'd be buying a one way ticket to China and kneeling in front of a Chinese citizenship office begging to be one of them.

One of my distant relative lived her whole life in China because she had no choice. More than a decade ago she finally found a way to leave China for good, came to Australia and never looked back. Would you call my distant relative a "traitor"? She was serving in the PLA's Airforce until retirement, mind you.

[HappyDongDong]

All you are referring to is your ex-wife, friends father, and know someone, but have you actually been to China yourself and when?

[begov94]

All you are referring to is your ex-wife, friends father, and know someone, but have you actually been to China yourself and when?

Changing the subject I see. Been to HK. Didn't bother going across the border - too much paperwork to fill out and the ex-wife was too lazy to detail all travel plans so she left me in HK for the day and returned back to HK the next day. Didn't get to see her family from marriage until divorce except for some of her uncles who lives here in Sydney.

HK not good enough for you? It's still one country, two "system".