My Seeking.com (sugarbaby) experience

[grant]

I read up on all the sugar related threads on the site (Note: I'm not selling subscriptions or ebooks). Sharing my experiences from Seeking after <1week of a subscription.

General obs:

Most openly discuss ppm up front within the app which was surprising. Understood that mentioning ppm would get you suspended. Initially my reaction was to suggest chatting on another platform. Some didn't respond after that but after seeing how often ppm is being mentioned I'm now just going with it. Half expecting a ban coming especially if I piss someone off and get reported.

Some girls are too good to be true. Chatted with a profile of a gorgeous Korean looking girl with a sleeve who immediately asked for ppm. Figured this was too easy so stopped talking and later saw a very similar looking Korean girl with a sleeve. Can't be sure if it was a scammer or a girl who made multiple profiles but so many girls out there to bother if she doesn't pass the sniff test.

On the other hand, some may be the real deal... Time will tell.

Notable potentials:

32 yo AB Malaysian girl. Profile was very subtle but found out she'd done some femdom/worship sessions previously but not PIV. Was open to it with me but asking 600 protected FS. Read previous reports that bbfs was common so I took a pass on this one. Didn't want to invest the time/effort and regret it now as we had a lot in common. Plenty of fish though.

31 yo from Beijing. Cute but was just travelling through. Ignored my question when I asked if she was open to intimacy one morning and said she needed a coffee. Figured she was just looking for a free meal so left it at that.

21yo Jap girl from Tokyo. Loves to party and has that carefree vibe that early 20s girls at OPM do. Because of that I didn't mind her asking for ppm from the get go (good with 500). Takes forever to reply on WhatsApp so probably working through all her options. Invitation for a drink still waiting for a response.

25 yo British arab - dark skin, tatts, curly hair, fit as fuck, great beach body. Was super eager for a long term arrangement mentioned needing to pay rent and wanting to stay for a few years. Reeked of desperation (apparently was into Asian guys lmao). I only commited to drinks and she wanted to be paid for that too as 'it's not a dating site'. Apparently doesn't know what 'mutual' means and wants to treat me with contempt AND take my money. A few girls like this on there but not wasting my time dressing them down before blocking.

21 yo cauc studying a similar field in which I work so we've got commonalities. Was open to intimacy but went quiet after I asked for some face photos. Still holding out hope but I may have scared her away.

29yo Latina with private face and bikini photos. Bangin' bod, petite, ass that's not overly thicc, but just a little bigger than proportional. A face like Miranda Kerr to boot. Slow to reply and waiting for her to add me on WhatsApp. Concerned how likely I am to think with the small head on this one...

29yo Asian (could get a straight answer on her ethnicity). Petite with a cute little nose and skinny thighs. The only one I've met irl and is new to sugaring, has had three bf's and only met with two other SD's who both turned out to be creeps. This sweet little thing offered to pay for my beer at the pub because I got dinner. We got to talking about intimacy and I get the feeling she has not climaxed before. May hit the jackpot if I give her the most romantic and passionate fuck of her life. Looking to meet later this week and excited despite her insisting on CFS. To be continued.

[harmsup_jai]

Registering for more updates

[1inchguy]

I'm boomer, what's ppm?

[zakthekat]

I'm boomer, what's ppm?

pay-per-meet. Most sugar sites don't want to appear to be escort sites, but most sugars are just escorts with dreams of meeting millionaires.

[JSteel96]

The 29 year old Asian seems like your best bet maybe you can keep her long term on the side if you like her. What sort of $$$ will you have to dish out for sex with her?

[begov94]

pay-per-meet. Most sugar sites don't want to appear to be escort sites, but most sugars are just escorts with dreams of meeting millionaires.

PPM is to bait in millionaire idiots who made their money through inheritance or lotto winnings rather than hard work.

It's basically a red flag that screams "Gold digger". Like women on the streets who doesn't even want to look at a normie until she realises that he drives a half-million dollar sports car.

[ditchtheboss]

PPM is to bait in millionaire idiots who made their money through inheritance or lotto winnings rather than hard work.

It's basically a red flag that screams "Gold digger". Like women on the streets who doesn't even want to look at a normie until she realises that he drives a half-million dollar sports car.

I think ppm is the basic way to engage a sugar baby, not millionaire baiting. Perhaps an allowance is more like baiting as you suggest. I have had quite a few SBs over the past couple of years but I stick with ppm. I don’t see the point of paying someone say a weekly allowance if I can’t see her every week. Ppm is pretty common I would suggest

[Bigleaf]

Waiting for updates!

[andrewv]

Great first review, thanks for sharing.

I have used seeking.com for almost 10 years. To add to your comments:

1. Many girls have been on the site for years and they keep deleting and setting up new profiles (but often use their old photos) because when the girls don't pay a fee their profile will show when they joined, so they know that men look to see how long she has been on the site and this tells men if she is a hooker who is simply in denial. These girls are selling sex but feel they have the power to choose which men to have sex with, which is true. It is the old game of "do not insult me, I am not a prostitute." And we men reply, "Of course not."

2. Of course every 'arrangement' has to start at least on PPM basis. Which crazy man out there will agree to pay a woman $5,000 or more a month (some girls ask for much more) without even finding out if they're sexually compatible or even like being together? So the line you take is "to start with, I am more comfortable giving you the allowance every time we meet. And if we like each other and become regular, I will be happy to provide the allowance on a fixed monthly basis."

3. Do not fall for the line, "In my previous arrangement, my SD (sugar daddy) gave me $1,200 (or any other amount) a week." This is a classic line they use to set up your expectations that you are cheap if you are only thinking of $500 PPM. These girls swap stories and strategies with each other on Reddit.com and other sites.

4. Unless you are not married/partnered, keep in mind that the PPM is not the only cost. You will have to pay for hotels or AirBnB each time, which is usually circa $150 to $220. Often, you will also pay for lunch or dinner or room service. So the real net cost to you will be more like $700++ to get laid for a few hours (assuming you pay the girl $500).

5. Very few girls see only one SD, even if they tell you so. They know how to keep secrets, and most of them fuck random guys their age free of charge during the weekends (and some have boyfriends). The fantasy of a rich businessman who owns yachts and jets, and married, and then has an exclusive mistress, is reserved for mega-wealthy guys. "Sugaring" as this is called is not anywhere like having a mistress. Some girls have this fantasy. They often look for Asian rich businessmen because these guys can afford that lifestyle.

I can add much more, but the above should suffice for now.

[begov94]

4. Unless you are not married/partnered, keep in mind that the PPM is not the only cost. You will have to pay for hotels or AirBnB each time, which is usually circa $150 to $220. Often, you will also pay for lunch or dinner or room service. So the real net cost to you will be more like $700++ to get laid for a few hours (assuming you pay the girl $500).

The only reason why I never got into the sugaring industry. There's all kinds of gotchas like certain private WLs and shop MLs who charges a pineapple for every extras rather than doing a whole package thing to attract stable business. They should learn from professional business environments that when your customers buy bulk they will only come back or stay loyal to you if you give them a bulk buy discount.

[grant]

The 29 year old Asian seems like your best bet maybe you can keep her long term on the side if you like her. What sort of $$$ will you have to dish out for sex with her?

That's the plan. Accepted 500 ppm plus like 180 or so for a daytime hotel room as she lives with her family and I with the missus

[grant]

Update on the 29yo Latina: chatted on WhatsApp and found she was looking for 800ppm. Out of my budget so had to decline but comes across very friendly and candid. Big head prevailed.

[JSteel96]

800 PPM that is way to much bro I think you have to be fairly well off to afford a sugar baby. For 800 what if you do it and your not really compatible, you wasted all that money. Meantime you could have gone to a brother 3 to 4 times, and seen a few different girls.

[xapoya]

That's the plan. Accepted 500 ppm plus like 180 or so for a daytime hotel room as she lives with her family and I with the missus

$680 all inclusive? Date, dinner, multiple rounds sex, cuddle each other to sleep while naked?

[JSteel96]

That's the plan. Accepted 500 ppm plus like 180 or so for a daytime hotel room as she lives with her family and I with the missus

Way to go you can see her at least once a week but how do you hide the expense from your missus?

[JSteel96]

$680 all inclusive? Date, dinner, multiple rounds sex, cuddle each other to sleep while naked?

If he has a missus I think dinner date and sleep over is out of the question?

[Sibon]

I talked to one who proposed $500 per meet. Didn't take the offer

Then one day she offered a $200 FS session in a shop in Surry Hills. Didn't take the offer too.

I missed the opportunity to be a Sugardaddy to a WL.:)

[Sibon]

$680 all inclusive? Date, dinner, multiple rounds sex, cuddle each other to sleep while naked?

No you'll sleep nicely covered with blanket to avoid catching cold.

And not everybody can be or want to be a multiple rounds machine.

[ditchtheboss]

I talked to one who proposed $500 per meet. Didn't take the offer

Then one day she offered a $200 FS session in a shop in Surry Hills. Didn't take the offer too.

I missed the opportunity to be a Sugardaddy to a WL.:)

Sugardady to a WL, the girls are just raking it in. I wonder if her $500 time with you as a sugar baby is equivalent to what you get as a $200 session at a shop?

[ditchtheboss]

$680 all inclusive? Date, dinner, multiple rounds sex, cuddle each other to sleep while naked?

When I was sugaring quite a bit the average was $500 ppm, I don't really count the other costs as a man has to eat and I might as well eat with a gorgeous girl than eat alone, that's just cost of business. I always preferred girls who host and once we are comfortable with each other I have them at my place as well so I have never paid hotel costs. I know this doesn't apply to potentially most of the guys who are married or live with a partner.

[rooter]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
Why not just go to an established brothel or a reputable escort agency.
Stop kidding yourself, it is the same thing, you are paying for sex, you are fucking a young hot girl who if you were not paying would not even look at you.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just pay and have sex with with a young hot chick, cum in her mouth and fuck off.
But you guys want to have coffee and dinner and shopping and the zoo and the aquarium and Luna Park and fuck knows what else.
It seems to me like you are in a lose lose situation - you are paying for sex but there are still strings attached (actually it more like ropes or steel cables attached) and you get all the shit that comes with a relationship but you are paying for it. WTF? It makes no sense at all to me.
Anyway maybe it's just me. Enjoy whatever you are doing bros. We are all punters.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.

[Sibon]

I read up on all the sugar related threads on the site (Note: I'm not selling subscriptions or ebooks). Sharing my experiences from Seeking after <1week of a subscription.

General obs:

Most openly discuss ppm up front within the app which was surprising. Understood that mentioning ppm would get you suspended. Initially my reaction was to suggest chatting on another platform. Some didn't respond after that but after seeing how often ppm is being mentioned I'm now just going with it. Half expecting a ban coming especially if I piss someone off and get reported.

Some girls are too good to be true. Chatted with a profile of a gorgeous Korean looking girl with a sleeve who immediately asked for ppm. Figured this was too easy so stopped talking and later saw a very similar looking Korean girl with a sleeve. Can't be sure if it was a scammer or a girl who made multiple profiles but so many girls out there to bother if she doesn't pass the sniff test.

On the other hand, some may be the real deal... Time will tell.

Notable potentials:

32 yo AB Malaysian girl. Profile was very subtle but found out she'd done some femdom/worship sessions previously but not PIV. Was open to it with me but asking 600 protected FS. Read previous reports that bbfs was common so I took a pass on this one. Didn't want to invest the time/effort and regret it now as we had a lot in common. Plenty of fish though.

31 yo from Beijing. Cute but was just travelling through. Ignored my question when I asked if she was open to intimacy one morning and said she needed a coffee. Figured she was just looking for a free meal so left it at that.

21yo Jap girl from Tokyo. Loves to party and has that carefree vibe that early 20s girls at OPM do. Because of that I didn't mind her asking for ppm from the get go (good with 500). Takes forever to reply on WhatsApp so probably working through all her options. Invitation for a drink still waiting for a response.

25 yo British arab - dark skin, tatts, curly hair, fit as fuck, great beach body. Was super eager for a long term arrangement mentioned needing to pay rent and wanting to stay for a few years. Reeked of desperation (apparently was into Asian guys lmao). I only commited to drinks and she wanted to be paid for that too as 'it's not a dating site'. Apparently doesn't know what 'mutual' means and wants to treat me with contempt AND take my money. A few girls like this on there but not wasting my time dressing them down before blocking.

21 yo cauc studying a similar field in which I work so we've got commonalities. Was open to intimacy but went quiet after I asked for some face photos. Still holding out hope but I may have scared her away.

29yo Latina with private face and bikini photos. Bangin' bod, petite, ass that's not overly thicc, but just a little bigger than proportional. A face like Miranda Kerr to boot. Slow to reply and waiting for her to add me on WhatsApp. Concerned how likely I am to think with the small head on this one...

29yo Asian (could get a straight answer on her ethnicity). Petite with a cute little nose and skinny thighs. The only one I've met irl and is new to sugaring, has had three bf's and only met with two other SD's who both turned out to be creeps. This sweet little thing offered to pay for my beer at the pub because I got dinner. We got to talking about intimacy and I get the feeling she has not climaxed before. May hit the jackpot if I give her the most romantic and passionate fuck of her life. Looking to meet later this week and excited despite her insisting on CFS. To be continued.

Where have you got so much time to waste on these girls?

Don't you have a job? hobbies or play sport? :)

[JSteel96]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
Why not just go to an established brothel or a reputable escort agency.
Stop kidding yourself, it is the same thing, you are paying for sex, you are fucking a young hot girl who if you were not paying would not even look at you.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just pay and have sex with with a young hot chick, cum in her mouth and fuck off.
But you guys want to have coffee and dinner and shopping and the zoo and the aquarium and Luna Park and fuck knows what else.
It seems to me like you are in a lose lose situation - you are paying for sex but there are still strings attached (actually it more like ropes or steel cables attached) and you get all the shit that comes with a relationship but you are paying for it. WTF? It makes no sense at all to me.
Anyway maybe it's just me. Enjoy whatever you are doing bros. We are all punters.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.

When I found mine years back it was about having a regular girl for sex forget the dinner date tho sometime we have lunch together, we don't do the dating crap she knows I am married. So we hook up for sex weekly but I PPM her $250 I guess cause I known her so long she never upped her price on me and sometimes doesn't want payment. These days an SB is like $500-$800 plus hotel so I tend to agree with rooter you could just go to a brothel for less money. But the result is with a long term private situation there is often a connection that you can enjoy, where as a brothel is fuck and forget most of the time. Tho some guys find a connection in a brothel and think they are in love.

So why we go through the stress of looking for an SB. A long time secret friendship with a girl you make love with every week is better than a gal in a brothel you have zero connection with. For some its even more than that when they can take the SB out on dates and have a good time and make other plans to see her. You just can't do that with a regular WL. A long term SB is like a secret sexual relationship with no commitment. Your going to get laid every week and enjoy the sex, as long as you can afford to do so. These SBs appreciate guys with their own house, car etc. Brothels can be a problem if you get a WL who turns out to be a dud.

[rooter]

When I found mine years back it was about having a regular girl for sex forget the dinner date tho sometime we have lunch together, we don't do the dating crap she knows I am married. So we hook up for sex weekly but I PPM her $250 I guess cause I known her so long she never upped her price on me and sometimes doesn't want payment. These days an SB is like $500-$800 plus hotel so I tend to agree with rooter you could just go to a brothel for less money. But the result is with a long term private situation there is often a connection that you can enjoy, where as a brothel is fuck and forget most of the time. Tho some guys find a connection in a brothel and think they are in love.

So why we go through the stress of looking for an SB. A long time secret friendship with a girl you make love with every week is better than a gal in a brothel you have zero connection with. For some its even more than that when they can take the SB out on dates and have a good time and make other plans to see her. You just can't do that with a regular WL. A long term SB is like a secret sexual relationship with no commitment. Your going to get laid every week and enjoy the sex, as long as you can afford to do so. These SBs appreciate guys with their own house, car etc. Brothels can be a problem if you get a WL who turns out to be a dud.

Enjoy bro!
I respect people that climb mountains, or go caving, or deep sea diving, but it's not something I would want to do. I guess I am just lazy. Enjoy bro!

[Sibon]

Enjoy bro!
I respect people that climb mountains, or go caving, or deep sea diving, but it's not something I would want to do. I guess I am just lazy. Enjoy bro!

Climbing up on a narrow creaky massage table could be equally challenging. :)

[JSteel96]

Enjoy bro!
I respect people that climb mountains, or go caving, or deep sea diving, but it's not something I would want to do. I guess I am just lazy. Enjoy bro!

I been in near death experience some years ago after that I decided I was going to get all the extra I can get in life. Life is too short. I do go on about my regular gal on here a fair bit, I just feel she and I have a good arrangement going together, then there is the brothels for variety. You can always earn money back but sexual pleasure is something amazing that you need to enjoy when ever you can. Its special.

[Double_Adapter]

Climbing up on a narrow creaky massage table could be equally challenging. :)

If the table is made of solid oak then it's not a prob, it's the portable-foldable Chinese massage foldabke that you gotta avoid. I once snapped the headrest during a passionate session with a Japanese private.

The Thai places generally use the solid timber massage tables. They go for around $600 (from memory)

[andrewv]

I talked to one who proposed $500 per meet. Didn't take the offer

Then one day she offered a $200 FS session in a shop in Surry Hills. Didn't take the offer too.

I missed the opportunity to be a Sugardaddy to a WL.:)

Hahaa... Of course. I did say this earlier. Several so-called sugar babies are also ML/WL at shops. About 4 years ago there was a nice Indian girl on seeking, early 30s. I was in touch with her but never met. Then 3 or 4 months later she send me a message saying she is working at some brothel at Witherlpark (very far from me) under an assumed name (she gave me) and I was welcome to go see her there. I never did. Fast forward maybe 12 months and she send another random message saying she has a girlfriend and she sent me the photo who would be willing to do a 3-some with me as long as there is no kissing with the other girl and me. Some of these girls keep a long list of the guys they contacted.

[keebab]

Gotta say I agree with Rooter. I've never been down the SB route (and its not that I'm not curious) but all the extra effort, scams and costs doesn't really sound like fun. It seems just as fraught with problems as regular dating with a $500 additional price tag.

[Sibon]

If the table is made of solid oak then it's not a prob, it's the portable-foldable Chinese massage foldabke that you gotta avoid. I once snapped the headrest during a passionate session with a Japanese private.

The Thai places generally use the solid timber massage tables. They go for around $600 (from memory)

First room in 84A Atarmon creaks and shakes like hell.

Some punters love it because it gives extra sliding movement.

I think they bought it from a museum.

[andrewv]

Gotta say I agree with Rooter. I've never been down the SB route (and its not that I'm not curious) but all the extra effort, scams and costs doesn't really sound like fun. It seems just as fraught with problems as regular dating with a $500 additional price tag.

You're right. Organising hotel rooms and trying not to make it too obvious how you meet at the hotel (e.g. she comes a little while after you check-in then waits for you outside the lift,...)
Then some girls on seeking are not reliable. They ghost you and do not show up.

One trick by the sugar babies is to tell us guys that they want to be paid $$ to come for M&G (Meet and Greet -- have coffee or a drink before you proceed to hotel/sex).
Some girls demand anywhere from $50 to $200 to M&G.... and after 20 minutes, they leave and never reply to messages. They keep going around meeting prospective sugar daddies for coffee and collecting cash.

Also, some of those hot-looking 18 to 24-year-old sugar babies are lousy in bed. Seriously so. Unlike ML/WL, some of the seeking.com uni students get undressed and lie on bed and do fuck nothing.

There is definitely an advantage to massage places and brothels -- where the girls know what is expecting of them for the hour.

[andrewv]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
Why not just go to an established brothel or a reputable escort agency.
Stop kidding yourself, it is the same thing, you are paying for sex, you are fucking a young hot girl who if you were not paying would not even look at you.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just pay and have sex with with a young hot chick, cum in her mouth and fuck off.
But you guys want to have coffee and dinner and shopping and the zoo and the aquarium and Luna Park and fuck knows what else.
It seems to me like you are in a lose lose situation - you are paying for sex but there are still strings attached (actually it more like ropes or steel cables attached) and you get all the shit that comes with a relationship but you are paying for it. WTF? It makes no sense at all to me.
Anyway maybe it's just me. Enjoy whatever you are doing bros. We are all punters.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.

I have an answer for you. Sugar babies are often girls you cannot find in a shop. Also, they don't watch the clock so when you are fucking you don't worry about how many minutes you have left in your booking.

Another point that I like is sugar babies do not fuck 10 to 15 guys every day they're on the roster. For some of us, it isn't a great feeling that you are about to start your 45 or 60-minute session in a shop knowing the girl has just washed her pussy 5 minutes ago after the previous guy fucked her, and as soon as you leave, she will have another punter banging her...

But of course so-called sugaring has its down side as I wrote before.

[Riff888]

I guess it's a bit of a rush for me.

Like, meeting a girl for the first time, BBFSCIP straight away. Girls from 19 to 33 who stop traffic walking down the street with you.

Of course they want money, so do 95% of women in any relationship. I've lost more being married then on SBs.

I think it was way more exciting when I was single, living in a city apartment.

I'd love getting a call from a crazy SB at 2am, saying pick me up from a party. Only to end up BBFS in the back of my car at this empty space in North Strathfield next to the M4.

Just made me feel like I was in my 20s, totally spontaneous.

Just don't let them move in with you.

[GoldfishMan]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.


I think it boils down to one thing, on a high level: BBFS.

To be more detailed, it's about removal of inhibitions and BBFS just happens to be the best thing out of the other things you get when that happens.

Sure, you can get that in shops too, but that requires arguably equal if not more effort and money than SB hunting.

[Abracadabra]

Can understand why a lot of punters enjoy SD. I simply don't have the motivation, time or circumstances to take part and revert to WLs.

I wonder if SDs are a few steps closer to "normal" and this provides the attraction??

I spent a lot of time (and$$s) in Asia's escort bars, particularly the hotel variety where the girls circulated, you connected with many over a few hours, flirting, enjoying a drink, some chit chat and sizing them up from the other side of the bar before making a decision and taking one back to your room.

It was fun, expensive and had a manufactured thrill of the chase.

But quite obviously, despite the normal bar environment they were simply WLs in a different form.

[JSteel96]

The best thing of having an SB is you can just text her when you want to meet up. You know its going to be good sex if you have been ongoing with her for a while and your like good friends. Not all SBs sleep with multiple guys like WLs in shops, some SBs are exclusive. With mine she often lets one of her Asian lady friends join in. All I have to do is text a time and head over to her place. Convenient. No bullshit from her. No time watching.

[ditchtheboss]

The best thing of having an SB is you can just text her when you want to meet up. You know its going to be good sex if you have been ongoing with her for a while and your like good friends. Not all SBs sleep with multiple guys like WLs in shops, some SBs are exclusive. With mine she often lets one of her Asian lady friends join in. All I have to do is text a time and head over to her place. Convenient. No bullshit from her. No time watching.

Exactly, it is a completely different ball game from the brothels but as much as they are sleeping with as for sex it is not one after another. With my previous SBs as we got familiar and comfortable with each other the sex got better, more spontaneous and natural, there is no procedure, no buzzer, no next booking and I have always stayed with them for several hours. Quite a few times after sex they would do their thing for a while, I would do my thing and then back to bed, food, more wax, etc. it is different all together from the brothels

[BigPedro666]

It's not as good as it used to be precovid. It's becoming expensive escorts.

[keebab]

It's so funny how motivated we all are here by BBCIP. It's so fucking primal haha.

I fully appreciate the flexibility and not having to watch the clock. Its the one thing I dislike about brothels especially if I have a good connection with the WL. I guess the real challenge to SD/SB is sifting through the bullshit and finding the gems you can build a longer term relationship with.

[JSteel96]

It's not as good as it used to be precovid. It's becoming expensive escorts.

but then so is everything else nowadays expensive. You have to prioritize your wants in life and some extra things you just have to pay up. But you should still be able to find WL escorts or ML with extras etc $150-$300. $500 for an SB is kind of on the high side but if the guy can afford her and she is good then she will take care of his needs.

[sukeong]

Not sure about seeking as I stuck to SD. You get many messages there initiated by sugar babies in the site. But cuz of the system there of credits it's not possible to reply to them all unless you are prepared to spend a fortune. I find most are from Caucasian ladies like close 90%. Maybe seeking is different where there are more asians. Usually it's best to just reply to those verified. As mentioned before many by others the top three issues are still mainly finding a place, the money and just plain chance you happen to find the one you are seeking. Some of them can be pretty desperate. Usually rent is the reason they provide. And they can be very flexible to suit your schedule. Although some working like two or three jobs tend to be less flexible of course.

But I found most much better I terms of spontaneity and gfe than WLs in general. The cost of food, hotel and actual fee per meet can be very straining though.


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[CumShot]

I am surprised that the OP was only sorting through 5-6 profiles. I'm an irregular visitor to Sydney, about a week out from a visit I setup an account, message 20 girls with an offer and overnight stay request. I always end up with enough to keep my bed full.

One thing I suggest for the OP is to lower your quality control from the pics. Many girls will post very modest pic/pics knowing they have body image issues. When you meet them they will be trying so much harder to impress you and to perform.

Personally I don't bother to contact or respond to the stunners. They are going to ask stupid price

[andrewv]

I am surprised that the OP was only sorting through 5-6 profiles. I'm an irregular visitor to Sydney, about a week out from a visit I setup an account, message 20 girls with an offer and overnight stay request. I always end up with enough to keep my bed full.

One thing I suggest for the OP is to lower your quality control from the pics. Many girls will post very modest pic/pics knowing they have body image issues. When you meet them they will be trying so much harder to impress you and to perform.

Personally I don't bother to contact or respond to the stunners. They are going to ask stupid price

I agree 100% with you @CumShot. Spot on. From my own experience, the stunners are usually the dud ones in bed.

[ditchtheboss]

I agree 100% with you @CumShot. Spot on. From my own experience, the stunners are usually the dud ones in bed.

Agree with both. In my experience it is better to go with the ones who look average but are horny in bed. The stunners ask for too much money, often don’t perform and have a sense of entitlement like they are doing us a favour. I see sugaring as I am adding as much value in the arrangement as the girl is. That seems to work for me

[Riff888]

Hahahaha I hear you guys but there's plenty of stunners out there with low self esteem or daddy issues.

Either that or they love money and are easy.

Most will lower the price if you counter offer, just promise them the world and say you want to see them all the time.

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake 🤣

[andrewv]

Hahahaha I hear you guys but there's plenty of stunners out there with low self esteem or daddy issues.

Either that or they love money and are easy.

Most will lower the price if you counter offer, just promise them the world and say you want to see them all the time.

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake ��

:rolleyes: Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...

[Riff888]

:rolleyes: Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...
She did fall for it at first.
These fakes come with everything, box, dust bad, serial number, receipt but no price on it, I didn't give her the receipt.

She probably had it evaluated for authenticity and found out it's fake.

Had a friend bring me three different bags from HK.

Seriously, I can't tell the difference.

[GoldfishMan]

:rolleyes: Hillarious -- good on you for buying a fake YSL handbag because the genuine article must be around $6,000 and that is far too much to get laid. It was worth trying (with a $200 version). She might have fallen for it (or liked it)...

$6k for a YSL bag even for the proper branded one is way too much, bro. That brand goes on sale fairly often. They usually go for price range of AUD 1500 - 5000 RRP, and you'll be a real mug to be paying the full price for the 5k one.

I bought one for my then GF from a YSL shop once, paid some where between 1 - 2k for it, full price. Yep, went home, did some research and just banged my head on the wall for being a stupid dick.

Sure enough, the fricking metal "beard" thing on the bag (nice touch from a design perspective btw) came loose and dropped out within 1 year! Thankfully my ex was very handy with super glue and put it back together. God bless her...

[andrewv]

She did fall for it at first.
These fakes come with everything, box, dust bad, serial number, receipt but no price on it, I didn't give her the receipt.

She probably had it evaluated for authenticity and found out it's fake.

Had a friend bring me three different bags from HK.

Seriously, I can't tell the difference.

Same thing happens with Rolex and other fancy brand watches. The copies have become very very close to the real stuff.

[CumShot]

Like I told one girl I'll buy her a YSL bag for her birthday. I did get her one, but it was a grade A copy from HK that was $200. I lost contact with that one now, she's Taiwanese, so she probably found out it was fake ��

In the SB game there are many promises.

a) Birthday gift promise. First find out when is her birthday. If it's >4 months, chances are she wont be around anyway, so go big. within the next week, be careful on your promises.

b) Ongoing weekly allowance. I am always wiling to discuss this and pay it weekly. Simply paid each time she fucks me each week. If she skips a catch up then the allowance is automatically skipped. This allows me to access the "allowance" seekers while effectively engaging them on PPM. In reality I'm sure most of the SB scene runs on PPM. It so neatly comes to an end when she doesn't make herself available. I avoid all types of 'automated or payment in advance options.

[JSteel96]

In the SB game there are many promises.

a) Birthday gift promise. First find out when is her birthday. If it's >4 months, chances are she wont be around anyway, so go big. within the next week, be careful on your promises.

b) Ongoing weekly allowance. I am always wiling to discuss this and pay it weekly. Simply paid each time she fucks me each week. If she skips a catch up then the allowance is automatically skipped. This allows me to access the "allowance" seekers while effectively engaging them on PPM. In reality I'm sure most of the SB scene runs on PPM. It so neatly comes to an end when she doesn't make herself available. I avoid all types of 'automated or payment in advance options.

Yes most SB run on PPM. On your point A my regular has never revealed her birthday to me. On the plus I save money not buying her a present :)

[BigPedro666]

It's just high end escorts. Some semi pro or it's a sideline, but many full time.

[kaos]

I've sampled both sides of the fence - visiting shops, higher end privates (for my non Asian fixes) and SB.

Each is a great way to enjoy a great shag (or not, if they are a dud), and can send you broke if you aren't disciplined.

It's a bit like cricket - some prefer test matches, some like one dayers, some T20s. Different prices and time commitments for each. I like them all!

[jt82]

It's all fun and games with SBs until you catch feelings.

[JSteel96]

It's all fun and games with SBs until you catch feelings.

No probs if you get the feels for an SB just marry her. At least you should get good daily BJs :)

[andrewv]

There is never any feelings in sugar arrangements. Only fools fall in love or get attached.
The basic reason is the age gap. These SB girls are only in it for the cash, and they just want to choose which man to fuck, rather than work as ML/WL and must take all punters.

Younger men (say under 40) do not need to pay for it using seeking.com and similar sites, because the dating apps like tinder have dozens of women looking to get laid without any payment. Maybe a meal if you go overboard (say $100 to $300 in food and drinks).

[JSteel96]

There seems to be a large number of younger guys these days who fall in love with a WL they seem to get hooked on them and forget the girl just wants the money. Times have changed its no longer fuck and forget but more so can't forget her. Some of these WLs are very good at seducing guys. In reality if you married a WL could you satisfy her ongoing money requirements?

[personaa]

There is never any feelings in sugar arrangements. Only fools fall in love or get attached.
The basic reason is the age gap. These SB girls are only in it for the cash, and they just want to choose which man to fuck, rather than work as ML/WL and must take all punters.

Younger men (say under 40) do not need to pay for it using seeking.com and similar sites, because the dating apps like tinder have dozens of women looking to get laid without any payment. Maybe a meal if you go overboard (say $100 to $300 in food and drinks).

I always see young guys in their 20s in most shops, I'm not sure the claim that young guys do not need to pay for sex is always the case. Have seen plenty of handsome young Asian at 42G and also Caucasians in other shops.

Millenials are very different in their approach to sex, in fact unlike the general assumption that they are having plenty of sex due to rise of Tinder etc, the reality is quite different. If anyone likes to read then this article is quite interesting:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

[ditchtheboss]

There seems to be a large number of younger guys these days who fall in love with a WL they seem to get hooked on them and forget the girl just wants the money. Times have changed its no longer fuck and forget but more so can't forget her. Some of these WLs are very good at seducing guys. In reality if you married a WL could you satisfy her ongoing money requirements?

There is another perspective which from my perspective has been worse from falling for a WL, it is being close friends with one. I am close friends with a WL, it started after a while of being her regular, we always got along, and she offered to go clothes shopping with me because apparently I have no style. I was taken aback as at that time it never occurred to me to met them outside the shop. I also thought that was just a customer engagement strategy to keep me as a regular. Long story short we became friends, good friends. The problem with that is that good friends share and she shares her mental and physical struggles with me. Now i am a sensitive kind of guy and I care for my friends so when she shares things it breaks my heart. It is hard to hear the things they go through. The other side of the coin one can say is that it is her choice. She could find another job and she chooses not to. Whatever the reason is we are not to judge our friends we are to support each other.

In my experience being friends, close friends, with these WLs is worse than being in a relationship having been there.

Before anyone asks I don’t get sex with her for free and whilst I haven’t seen her in the brothel for s few months we are still a friends.

[grant]

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.


Potentials:

21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.


Meet:


29yo Asian (could get a straight answer on her ethnicity). Petite with a cute little nose and skinny thighs. The only one I've met irl and is new to sugaring, has had three bf's and only met with two other SD's who both turned out to be creeps. This sweet little thing offered to pay for my beer at the pub because I got dinner. We got to talking about intimacy and I get the feeling she has not climaxed before. May hit the jackpot if I give her the most romantic and passionate fuck of her life. Looking to meet later this week and excited despite her insisting on CFS. To be continued.


This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

[personaa]

There is another perspective which from my perspective has been worse from falling for a WL, it is being close friends with one. I am close friends with a WL, it started after a while of being her regular, we always got along, and she offered to go clothes shopping with me because apparently I have no style. I was taken aback as at that time it never occurred to me to met them outside the shop. I also thought that was just a customer engagement strategy to keep me as a regular. Long story short we became friends, good friends. The problem with that is that good friends share and she shares her mental and physical struggles with me. Now i am a sensitive kind of guy and I care for my friends so when she shares things it breaks my heart. It is hard to hear the things they go through. The other side of the coin one can say is that it is her choice. She could find another job and she chooses not to. Whatever the reason is we are not to judge our friends we are to support each other.

In my experience being friends, close friends, with these WLs is worse than being in a relationship having been there.

Before anyone asks I don’t get sex with her for free and whilst I haven’t seen her in the brothel for s few months we are still a friends.

I know they all go through phases and the work is very taxing on their mind, but what are their mental struggles like? Is it about the way some guys treat them in the room or questioning their status etc?

I never dared to ask this question from them.

[JSteel96]

There is another perspective which from my perspective has been worse from falling for a WL, it is being close friends with one. I am close friends with a WL, it started after a while of being her regular, we always got along, and she offered to go clothes shopping with me because apparently I have no style. I was taken aback as at that time it never occurred to me to met them outside the shop. I also thought that was just a customer engagement strategy to keep me as a regular. Long story short we became friends, good friends. The problem with that is that good friends share and she shares her mental and physical struggles with me. Now i am a sensitive kind of guy and I care for my friends so when she shares things it breaks my heart. It is hard to hear the things they go through. The other side of the coin one can say is that it is her choice. She could find another job and she chooses not to. Whatever the reason is we are not to judge our friends we are to support each other.

In my experience being friends, close friends, with these WLs is worse than being in a relationship having been there.

Before anyone asks I don’t get sex with her for free and whilst I haven’t seen her in the brothel for s few months we are still a friends.

Mine used to be a ML years back we became close friends and lovers still are to this day. She left ML work years ago and learned from me to do online selling. She does not want to have a relationship she just wants the ongoing sex with me. I'm married and will take the extra sex and secret friendship with her. Whilst we are friends I feel its okay to keep being with her since she quit ML years ago. But being friends with one still in a shop that would be another issue. That's the problem to you go to a shop and suddenly find a girl that you get on really well with. Its not as easy as fuck and forget anymore. You must have heard some sad stories from her about what shes been through in the shop care to share some of the stories you heard? Its hard for these ladies to deal with some of the bad guys about. Always treat a WL with respect. They are there to enjoy pleasure with us.

[ditchtheboss]

Mine used to be a ML years back we became close friends and lovers still are to this day. She left ML work years ago and learned from me to do online selling. She does not want to have a relationship she just wants the ongoing sex with me. I'm married and will take the extra sex and secret friendship with her. Whilst we are friends I feel it’s okay to keep being with her since she quit ML years ago. But being friends with one still in a shop that would be another issue. That's the problem to you go to a shop and suddenly find a girl that you get on really well with. It’s not as easy as fuck and forget anymore. You must have heard some sad stories from her about what shes been through in the shop care to share some of the stories you heard? It’s hard for these ladies to deal with some of the bad guys about. Always treat a WL with respect. They are there to enjoy pleasure with us.

I think what she’s told me is the standard experience these girls go through but things such as guys pulling out the condom whilst in doggie hoping she won’t notice, getting farted on her face while rimming, guys going for the ass and she doesn’t do that, I told her that that qualifies as rape but they don’t do anything about it. Guys taking drugs during the session, getting slapped and chocked hard, she doesn’t go for those, getting called names that only devalues her further. Her own insecurities about her future, in her opinion that’s the only job she can do here in Aus despite being a professional in her country of origin. Her thinking that she is running out of time as she ages and she won’t have enough money to support her through retirement. Guy holding her head down and cumming all over her face and hair. All the STIs she contracted over the years. Guys with incredibly low hygiene and despite the show the BO doesn’t go away. Face fuck without permission and excessive force by the guy.

Having said all that she does say that the overwhelming majority of the guys are nice to her and her days are tolerable. I learned from her that despite all we think It is incredibly rare for them to cum and if they get wet during daty it is because they are thinking of someone else and not us. They hate big dicks and their pussy is constantly sore. She doesn’t like daty or guys rimming her despite pretending she does.

They talk amongst themselves how to get us to cum during the shower as they all hope not to have to fuck us. They hate rimming us, THEY ABSOLUTELY HATE RIMMING US AND THEY ALSO HATE CIM despite doing it very well. She has to do it but she doesn’t offer it, if the guy asks she has to do it as part of the service but she hates it. If you do CIM she will despise you forever.

Seeing guys outside the shop is just reserved for the frequent guys who give her the most amount of sessions and the longer the sessions the better as there is often less sex and more talk. Seeing guys outside the shop is to keep the good ones coming back. We are not special, none of us are and our friendship is rare but it happens as we all know.

The above is just a brain download.

[Riff888]

I think what she’s told me is the standard experience these girls go through but things such as guys pulling out the condom whilst in doggie hoping she won’t notice, getting farted on her face while rimming, guys going for the ass and she doesn’t do that, I told her that that qualifies as rape but they don’t do anything about it. Guys taking drugs during the session, getting slapped and chocked hard, she doesn’t go for those, getting called names that only devalues her further. Her own insecurities about her future, in her opinion that’s the only job she can do here in Aus despite being a professional in her country of origin. Her thinking that she is running out of time as she ages and she won’t have enough money to support her through retirement. Guy holding her head down and cumming all over her face and hair. All the STIs she contracted over the years. Guys with incredibly low hygiene and despite the show the BO doesn’t go away. Face fuck without permission and excessive force by the guy.

Having said all that she does say that the overwhelming majority of the guys are nice to her and her days are tolerable. I learned from her that despite all we think It is incredibly rare for them to cum and if they get wet during daty it is because they are thinking of someone else and not us. They hate big dicks and their pussy is constantly sore. She doesn’t like daty or guys rimming her despite pretending she does.

They talk amongst themselves how to get us to cum during the shower as they all hope not to have to fuck us. They hate rimming us, THEY ABSOLUTELY HATE RIMMING US AND THEY ALSO HATE CIM despite doing it very well. She has to do it but she doesn’t offer it, if the guy asks she has to do it as part of the service but she hates it. If you do CIM she will despise you forever.

Seeing guys outside the shop is just reserved for the frequent guys who give her the most amount of sessions and the longer the sessions the better as there is often less sex and more talk. Seeing guys outside the shop is to keep the good ones coming back. We are not special, none of us are and our friendship is rare but it happens as we all know.

The above is just a brain download.
Justification for the money they earn. A close friend now ex WL told me virtually the same stuff as above. She said it's a dirty job and the money was grey. The always went to the temple and donated to gain virtue.

One thing for, it changes girls forever, even if they do one job.

Having a WL as a close friend changed me forever as well. Still I do it because the need to put my dick into as many women as possible is stronger.

[ditchtheboss]

Justification for the money they earn. A close friend now ex WL told me virtually the same stuff as above. She said it's a dirty job and the money was grey. The always went to the temple and donated to gain virtue.

One thing for, it changes girls forever, even if they do one job.

Having a WL as a close friend changed me forever as well. Still I do it because the need to put my dick into as many women as possible is stronger.

Same here mate, the things she shared with me changed me and made me angry and sad

[Riff888]

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

You should tell when you reach a girls limit and not go in that deep yeah? Some girls limit depth themselves by their positions so it doesn't go in that deep.

But in my experience, if size is an issue, wearing a condom does not help the situation.

If size turns it into a dud punt and it's the same on the second visit, I just stop seeing them. It's my time and money. It's not a relationship where she can get used to it slowly.

As far as PPM reduction. This usually happens over longer term arrangements and initiated by the girls. Especially if you go for movies, dinners and sleep overs etc. A few times I didn't pay anything if I saw a girl a second or third time in a week. Car sex is usually around $100 to $200 but mainly with young caucasian/European girls.

[Riff888]

Same here mate, the things she shared with me changed me and made me angry and sad
One of the reasons I'm not into getting rimmed.

[peripel]

I think what she’s told me is the standard experience these girls go through but things such as guys pulling out the condom whilst in doggie hoping she won’t notice, getting farted on her face while rimming, guys going for the ass and she doesn’t do that, I told her that that qualifies as rape but they don’t do anything about it. Guys taking drugs during the session, getting slapped and chocked hard, she doesn’t go for those, getting called names that only devalues her further. Her own insecurities about her future, in her opinion that’s the only job she can do here in Aus despite being a professional in her country of origin. Her thinking that she is running out of time as she ages and she won’t have enough money to support her through retirement. Guy holding her head down and cumming all over her face and hair. All the STIs she contracted over the years. Guys with incredibly low hygiene and despite the show the BO doesn’t go away. Face fuck without permission and excessive force by the guy.

Having said all that she does say that the overwhelming majority of the guys are nice to her and her days are tolerable. I learned from her that despite all we think It is incredibly rare for them to cum and if they get wet during daty it is because they are thinking of someone else and not us. They hate big dicks and their pussy is constantly sore. She doesn’t like daty or guys rimming her despite pretending she does.

They talk amongst themselves how to get us to cum during the shower as they all hope not to have to fuck us. They hate rimming us, THEY ABSOLUTELY HATE RIMMING US AND THEY ALSO HATE CIM despite doing it very well. She has to do it but she doesn’t offer it, if the guy asks she has to do it as part of the service but she hates it. If you do CIM she will despise you forever.

Seeing guys outside the shop is just reserved for the frequent guys who give her the most amount of sessions and the longer the sessions the better as there is often less sex and more talk. Seeing guys outside the shop is to keep the good ones coming back. We are not special, none of us are and our friendship is rare but it happens as we all know.

The above is just a brain download.

Great insight, thanks for the share.

I would say that it's not only the punters causing such troubles but also the shop giving punters certain expectations that they can receive every service advertised. I think that's why Aussie/European WLs tend to advertise standard service with extras discussed in private although it will diminish their client numbers.

Normally my punting experience in the past have been the same as how I treated gfs in the past - some may not like DATY or BJ so I don't force it on them. Even CIM is something I let them decide on whether they want to do it or not. I know a shop that asks customers for feedback immediately after the punt and ask if the girl had delivered every service including shower BJ and CIM - this form of "quality control" in my opinion is very degrading yet I never understood why many new girls are attracted to working in that shop.

There are people out there, especially a certain race that still have strong BO after several showers, that think in a primitive way - $300 can feed a whole family back home so they justify doing all kinds of unthinkable stuff to WLs mainly because of how they value the amount paid and how they view WLs (or women in general) back home.

[GoldfishMan]

Great insight, thanks for the share.

I would say that it's not only the punters causing such troubles but also the shop giving punters certain expectations that they can receive every service advertised. I think that's why Aussie/European WLs tend to advertise standard service with extras discussed in private although it will diminish their client numbers.

Normally my punting experience in the past have been the same as how I treated gfs in the past - some may not like DATY or BJ so I don't force it on them. Even CIM is something I let them decide on whether they want to do it or not. I know a shop that asks customers for feedback immediately after the punt and ask if the girl had delivered every service including shower BJ and CIM - this form of "quality control" in my opinion is very degrading yet I never understood why many new girls are attracted to working in that shop.

There are people out there, especially a certain race that still have strong BO after several showers, that think in a primitive way - $300 can feed a whole family back home so they justify doing all kinds of unthinkable stuff to WLs mainly because of how they value the amount paid and how they view WLs (or women in general) back home.

Nope, no point shifting the blame to the shop. So what if the shop advertised that a girl did rimming, I can always choose not to get that. I despise that act. Or CIM, etc. the ball is always in your court whether you go for something advertised.

I also often get asked about how a girl performed in a sesh by the shop. I didn't go into detail about if she did CIM, rimming or whatever. All I did was say "she was great, did everything I wanted". You're not on the stand in a trial. Just say what you feel is right.

[Abracadabra]

I know they all go through phases and the work is very taxing on their mind, but what are their mental struggles like? Is it about the way some guys treat them in the room or questioning their status etc?

I never dared to ask this question from them.

I've asked the question to a regular, who on the surface was balanced and composed and she simply said : "it's my job"

I've been at this game for 30+ yrs and have never been able to comprehend how the brothel based WL deal with the emotional, physical and mental impact of seeing not just10 guys a day, but 10 vastly different guys.

They open the door not knowing what they will confront on the other side and within minutes they are into shower play, bbbj, daty, rimming, DFK, sex in multiple posns,..etc.

Sure, some are duds, some average, but we all know some WL that do it all oh so well that we return and return.

Not sure how they do it week after week and maintain well being and sanity?

[ditchtheboss]

I've asked the question to a regular, who on the surface was balanced and composed and she simply said : "it's my job"

I've been at this game for 30+ yrs and have never been able to comprehend how the brothel based WL deal with the emotional, physical and mental impact of seeing not just10 guys a day, but 10 vastly different guys.

They open the door not knowing what they will confront on the other side and within minutes they are into shower play, bbbj, daty, rimming, DFK, sex in multiple posns,..etc.

Sure, some are duds, some average, but we all know some WL that do it all oh so well that we return and return.

Not sure how they do it week after week and maintain well being and sanity?

Unfortunately the damage is deep I believe. I am quite sure my friend suffers from functional depression but she also has incredibly low self esteem. I don’t know if you guys have noticed but some of the girls go through their routine in such an automatic way that it is like you are not even there. That’s a way of self preservation and coping mechanism. I once had a regular who if she was just going through the motions of her routine she would always say certain words at certain times in automatic mode. Like when she jumped on top she would always say “oh fuck”, or some such.

What I always say to my friend is that she has an incredible perseverance or grit because they keep on going in such a difficult job for many years. If they could channel their grit towards something else they would be successful. We know that some girls use alcohol and drugs as a coping mechanism.

I for one think the damage is quite deep for the ones who do it for such a long time

[Abracadabra]

Unfortunately the damage is deep I believe. I am quite sure my friend suffers from functional depression but she also has incredibly low self esteem. I don’t know if you guys have noticed but some of the girls go through their routine in such an automatic way that it is like you are not even there. That’s a way of self preservation and coping mechanism. I once had a regular who if she was just going through the motions of her routine she would always say certain words at certain times in automatic mode. Like when she jumped on top she would always say “oh fuck”, or some such.

What I always say to my friend is that she has an incredible perseverance or grit because they keep on going in such a difficult job for many years. If they could channel their grit towards something else they would be successful. We know that some girls use alcohol and drugs as a coping mechanism.

I for one think the damage is quite deep for the ones who do it for such a long time

You twigged a memory.
A Korean escort I knew quite well from the Seoul juicy bars once told me when she'd arrive at the bar to work, she'd leave herself outside...

Same girl said : they can have my body but not me.

I enjoy punting but you wonder about the unseen effects.

[dotcumdotinyou]

What you also need to remember is that the girls have a choice, they chose to do this line of work to get the big dollars quickly. They could easily choose to leave the industry but they don't want check out chick wages.

[personaa]

She may prefer to think that it's just her body that is doing the work , she is using this argument to calm herself but deep down it's quite different, me thinks. The whole idea of being in a room and funking for money is something that stays with her forever. As someone said the damages are much deeper, hence all the reason they get into drugs, gambling and alcohol. I guess the most significant damage is on self-esteem and questioning self-worth.

[Abracadabra]

What you also need to remember is that the girls have a choice, they chose to do this line of work to get the big dollars quickly. They could easily choose to leave the industry but they don't want check out chick wages.

You're absolutely right.
They do take the lucrative route instead of say, Bunnings, Macca's, Woolies....
They had a choice.

[personaa]

You're absolutely right.
They do take the lucrative route instead of say, Bunnings, Macca's, Woolies....
They had a choice.


I remember I took a young 21yo girl out for dinner once and in the car she started crying and she said she really hates working as a WL etc. She was crying for good 10 minutes and I told her if you are not happy then you need to start working in a different industry, go to college, learn a skill so you can make money based on your skills and not your body and guess what was her response? I love my nails, I don't want to damage my nails.

[Riff888]

I remember I took a young 21yo girl out for dinner once and in the car she started crying and she said she really hates working as a WL etc. She was crying for good 10 minutes and I told her if you are not happy then you need to start working in a different industry, go to college, learn a skill so you can make money based on your skills and not your body and guess what was her response? I love my nails, I don't want to damage my nails.
Most want a knight in shining armour to save them.
Everything is good while the finances are good, if something happens and the husband/partner has money issues, she knows exactly where to make easy money.
This is why you might see a long lost WL, back at work after years, works short hours for a few days a week. That's why it's never a good idea to be in a long term relationship with a WL/ex-WL.
Plus, career WLs (say 10 years+) end up hating, not trusting men. Most end up lesbian or long time single with a dog or cat.

[peripel]

Nope, no point shifting the blame to the shop. So what if the shop advertised that a girl did rimming, I can always choose not to get that. I despise that act. Or CIM, etc. the ball is always in your court whether you go for something advertised.

I also often get asked about how a girl performed in a sesh by the shop. I didn't go into detail about if she did CIM, rimming or whatever. All I did was say "she was great, did everything I wanted". You're not on the stand in a trial. Just say what you feel is right.

As much as I agree on that statement, it's hard to enforce punter's ethics on every punter that walks into a shop. It's like asking retail customers to show respect and not abuse cashiers and shelve stackers, they're still gonna do it knowing they'll get away with it one way or another. The population of Australia in general are what I call "entitled". Even in the trades industry when fixing stuff for government owned properties, the government staff will scrutinize your work and question your invoices as if they're paying for it from their own pockets rather than understand the fact that many government properties are so old that some repairs can literally cost a kidney or two. The international students who are here for less than a year are even worse than locals when it comes to entitlement.

Rimming isn't my favourite either. There's nothing good about receiving or giving rim or anal sex. CIM is fun if the girl consents but it's not necessary as I find that some girls are not good at receiving proper CIM. CIM is usually an alternative to BBCIP as your dick is enveloped in a similar environment to a raw pussy as you cum, but with lack of technique it feels as if you're pulling out and cumming on the labia instead which similar to cumming on belly.

When it comes to shop asking for feedback, I like it better during the time Jesse managed 42G. His team never asked for details on what services the girl had performed, they only care about the satisfaction of customers. That one other shop was the only one that caught me off guard as you can't bypass the reception desk. I wanted to lie about my experience (which wasn't too bad) but when they queried in detail I couldn't make up a response and that's where they knew the girl didn't provide shower BJ and CIM. Honestly I don't think shops should probe that deep as whatever happens behind closed doors is a private thing. That was my first and last time visiting that shop.

[peripel]

She may prefer to think that it's just her body that is doing the work , she is using this argument to calm herself but deep down it's quite different, me thinks. The whole idea of being in a room and funking for money is something that stays with her forever. As someone said the damages are much deeper, hence all the reason they get into drugs, gambling and alcohol. I guess the most significant damage is on self-esteem and questioning self-worth.

Almost a decade back I had this crazy idea to try out becoming a male sex worker myself because I couldn't get any decent jobs. Submitted my phone number with a fake name to an agency and got a call back almost immediately. Didn't ask the price but I did ask what's the catch - they told it's flexible and they don't care about looks. No money discussed but they say it pays better than average wages. Told them I'd think about it.

A week later I got a job offer for a proper job as a traffic controller, and after thinking hard about the type of clients I might have to service as a gigolo I decided not to go ahead with it. Can't remember the name of the agency now, might be My Best Gigolo or My Male Companion.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Most end up lesbian

Lol, do you have a reputable source for this? How big is your data set?

[ReginaldBubbles]

They open the door not knowing what they will confront on the other side

That moment before opening the door must be incredibly anxiety inducing.

[kaos]

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.


Potentials:

21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.


Meet:


This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

Thanks for sharing your experiences OP, it sounds like you've been pretty active and enjoying some success.

I have a regular SB who i've seen for a couple of years - we only meet sparodically because i'm time poor (~monthly/6 weekly). I arrange a hotel and we do $450ppm. Outside of our messages to arrange our next meet, we have no interaction. We both value discretion and NSA.

When I decide to have a look around - In terms of PPM rates, my arrangements have typically fallen in the $400-$550 range. I usually don't go above that as other options become better at that price point (that's how i see it...each to their own). I normally start with $500 if they can host, $400 if i have to arrange a place. The rationale being that if I don't have to fork out $ for a place, then that $$ goes to them.

But then most will respond "oh i can't host". "OK then i'll arrange a place" "oh, i'm looking for <some rate between $600-800>"

So then I ask if they're open to meeting in the middle, i.e. i arrange a place + $500. If they agree, then i thank them for being flexible, and we're off to a good start. If they don't budge, then "thank you, good luck with your search, hope you find what you're looking for". I had a recent meet when i was travelling interstate for work where the SB was looking for $650. We agreed on $550 as she could host, and she was fun to hang out with. Amazing tits, feels amazing when she rides me and I came like a freight train

At the end of the day, it's my money - and my decision as to who i choose to spend it on. I don't need pussy, but if i can find something at a price point that both parties are comfortable with, then winning. It always helps when you are polite and respectful - don't treat me like an ATM, and i won't treat you like a hole (or at least let's be subtle about it LOL), as these girls are human at the end of the day, WL or otherwise. It also helps you stand out more as these girls put up with a lot of silly antics in their inbox. At the end of the day, i've got my regular SB that i can arrange to meet for a guaranteed fun time, or I can hit up a shop if my favourite(s) are working

[JSteel96]

At the end of the day, it's my money - and my decision as to who i choose to spend it on. I don't need pussy, but if i can find something at a price point that both parties are comfortable with, then winning. It always helps when you are polite and respectful - don't treat me like an ATM, and i won't treat you like a hole (or at least let's be subtle about it LOL), as these girls are human at the end of the day, WL or otherwise. It also helps you stand out more as these girls put up with a lot of silly antics in their inbox. At the end of the day, i've got my regular SB that i can arrange to meet for a guaranteed fun time, or I can hit up a shop if my favourite(s) are working

Good response and you just can't beat having a regular SB you can arrange PPM with any time you want. I'm so pleased with mine I hook up every week with her.

[dotcumdotinyou]

Why is every reply you give jsteel about your sb. Are you after a medal?

[CumShot]

This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.

My thoughts on her and in no particular order:

Any talk about "booking" time limit implies the girl knows what she is doing. For me, any relationship between sugar dating and a time limit implies that the girl is more professional than we know.

As a SD we should limit any asian girls alcohol intake, especially as you indicated she already knows she can't handle it.

The shower ploy is a time wasting exercise. see my first point.

We don't have to pander. remember she is wanting to be a SB, she should be motivated to be performing also.

so, when I invariably end up in my hotel room with a sweet new SB, it's max 1 glass of wine, seating next to each other watching movie or talking, holding hands. Some small talk About her lips looks great for a small kiss and just start with a light kiss. Expect things to happen from here. Remember she has voluntarily come to your room/apartment so she is expecting also.

Now down to your methodology of working into a small girl. you are just going to have to improve your techniques and range of ideas. Consider that a vagina can give expand to deliver a baby's head so hopefully your dick is nowhere near that. It's just going to come from practice. Switching to cow girl was good and allowed her to control.

That she wanted to make a fast escape also brings me back to more pro than SB, inspite of her 'innocence'

[CumShot]

this is a good thread. I'm in Sydney this week and it seems I'm also working through the same limited pool of asian SBs. I am looking for girls that will meet about 6pm and stay over, then leaving when I go to work.

I'm contrasting this with a few Date In Asia type girls that have some inherent unreliability built into the mix.

I know that shops and brothels are more reliable, I just like the feel of a sweet body staying overnight and being around for morning sex.

[T1ooo]

honesty seems like quite a bit of work tbh and also hit and miss plus expensive outlay, but i guess it works for some.
you can find amazing girls in parlours charging just $90 a hour, and if you put in a bit of graft and see them a few times you can get their details and get them to your place no worries and get some bbfs and cip, the only difference is the difference avenue an vector to the women, i need it cheap coz i like to do it 2-3 times a week so $500-600 aint gona work but each to their owns.

[Meng]

Firstly can we please not acknowledge the bait posts by rooter? All due respect for his tenure and regular reports on Aus99 but in every sugar thread, he will inevitably make a post (multiple sometimes) about how he doesn't understand why we all don't just head to a shop for a punt. We all know why we're looking for a sugar arrangement and anyone who is curious about it can use the search function or google. Let's not clog up the thread.

Further general obs:

A 27yo asian SB mentioned that she was having a rough time finding decent men. Apparently 90% of profiles don't have photos and are super vague about what they want, preferring to hide their cards and suss out what the SB wants. So the way to stand out is clear: upload some decent photos (blur or crop your face if needed) and be forward about what you're looking for. Regardless of what you want to call them - sugarbabies, escorts, normal girls looking to be paid for dates and sex, whatever - these women are selective about the men they fuck so you need to be convincing by being good looking, charming and/or generous.
Vast majority of these girls are not very responsive. They will take half a day to a day to respond to messages so progress is slow.
More a personal observation: I seem to tend to reach out to asian SB's (in the minority) than cauc or latina SB's. Partially a preference in sexual partner, but I suspect also a bias developed from punting that caucs and latinas would ask for more so I don't bother engaging. I should make a more concerted effort to properly engage caucs and latinas to see how it develops.


Potentials:

21yo Jap girl from Tokyo (continued) - she cancelled our initial meet 1hr beforehand as her family apparently arranged a surprise bday party. Supposedly available all of next week but we'll see.
27yo asian local (referred to above) - comes across cultured and intelligent, but very plain in the face department: narrow eyes, no double eyelids, freckles (I suspect ABK). Was looking for a voyeur to pay to watch her fuck another guy (no thank you)
24yo petite asian, I suspect local 9-5'er. Lives with her family so unable to host but down for $500ppm. Have arranged a drink to check the vibe and see how we go.
19yo tall alt-looking pinay. Despite 'doing 600 in the past... 500 seems reasonable' (definitely following a SB script she found online). Currently trying to arrange a drink with her but slow to respond.
27yo westie asian who hits all the physical notes for me: slim, A-B cups and an ass with some meat! Profile suggests she's mainly looking for interesting conversations but when I mentioned I was looking for intimacy she responded with "the way to the heart is always food". Still only looking for a coffee to check the vibe first, then possibility of dinner and maybe more.


Meet:


This one turned out to be mixed Korean/Jap with pale skin and a slim/petite - though not toned - body. Did my best to put on the charms for this one and it paid off as I came off very sweet and caring. I may have done more than was needed but this one turned out to be driven by impulse and had very basic wants: bagged popcorn and sugar (lmao). Got to the hotel early and brought along a bottle of moscato and popcorn from Woolies.

The girl couldn't stop herself throwing the moscato back despite not having lunch and despite being allergic to alcohol. She soon got tipsy and flushed super red as we were chatting and decided to go for a shower 1.5hours into our 3.5hr booking. I probably let the conversation run too long and should steer toward sex earlier. It was a judgement call though, as this was her first sugar meet and didn't want to seem pushy. In saying that we WERE there to fuck, I just need to keep this front of mind.

As for the sex, we warmed up with a lot of passionate kissing (which she's great at). Seduced her with kisses down her neck and onto her B cup tits were met with very positive vocal affirmation. Went down on her absolutely TINY shaved pussy which she was very into. She was concerned about my size when we met for dinner as I'm a tall guy and she was apparently 'small' (Confirmed!). She was very tight, as getting two fingers in was a struggle. As she was about to climax she pushed me off as she was getting 'sensitive'. Unsure if this girl knows what an orgasm is and I was pretty disappointed she wanted me to stop early.

I put the dom on and lubed her up and struggled to get in in missionary. She really struggled initially with my size but did get kind of used to it eventually, as she started thrusting to match my shallow strokes. As she was so keen on thrusting I got her to into CG where I finished in the dom soon after (she is so tight).

Unfortunately that was the end of it, as she had some abdominal pain (I may have bruised her cervix). I asked her about a second round and she wasn't into it so we left it at that. I did notice some blood on the dom but unsure if she was on her period or if I may have hurt her with my size. A little frustrated she didn't let me warm her up properly to give penetrative sex a better chance.

Overall could have gone better if we both weren't so green (me to sugaring and her to sex apparently). I plan to check in on her to see if she is feeling ok but what do the more experienced SD's reckon? Should I tell this one clearly what I expect in a meeting and give her another chance if she's open to it? Leaning towards it not being worth the chase, as it might take quite a few sessions for her to get used to my girth, but I think I'll always be hitting her cervix with my length. She's also a bit of a germaphobe and wouldn't even let me kiss her without her showering first so that was annoying.

Also tips for convincing SB's to meet at lower PPM rates appreciated.


Motels and Woolies popcorn. Didn't realise SBs are that cheap. I always assumed they're looking for rich daddy's but I guess you can also get away with motels.

Changes my reevaluation of how much money you need to spend on SB

[frisson]

Don't single out rooter.
I'm another voice against the practice.
This sugar baby scene is not value for money or time

Lots and lots of red flags with these sugarbaby stories

To those who haven't tried, I suggest you don't

Easily can meet the wrong women who wants to ruin your life
Also don't waste time spending ridiculous amounts of money on sex and at the same time she is also weighing up her options with other men and f_cking them without a condom for the right price

I'm just getting started. Waste of your time

Go to a brothel, have great sex, then get on with your life

Don't be a white knight saving women from the rent hell that is Sydney

[frisson]

Good response and you just can't beat having a regular SB you can arrange PPM with any time you want. I'm so pleased with mine I hook up every week with her.
Do you do unprotected sex? She is definitely doing that with her other clients as well

[frisson]

this is a good thread. I'm in Sydney this week and it seems I'm also working through the same limited pool of asian SBs. I am looking for girls that will meet about 6pm and stay over, then leaving when I go to work.

I'm contrasting this with a few Date In Asia type girls that have some inherent unreliability built into the mix.

I know that shops and brothels are more reliable, I just like the feel of a sweet body staying overnight and being around for morning sex.

Yes but what is the charge for a stranger in your room. See how much she likes you without the money you pay her

What is the overnight cost?

[frisson]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.
Agree bro 1000%
Wise words for those who care to listen

If I was 25 again, I would definitely focus on my career, go to brothel to let off steam, and if available look for an actual decent gf but not date unless she was a good catch

Better to be free and single when young, don't waste time in dud relationships or waste time with money hungry people

It must damage your soul being with people who charge you to be in their company for dates, and you paying for their wasteful designer goods just so you can get in a woman's pussy

Sugarbaby sounds like a bad option and bad karma.
I have written about all the downsides many times and noone can deny the points made

Sounds like some men like women's company so much they are happy to overpay to get that interaction. If that's your life, best have have a reset

Just as in relationships, you better learn fast when a woman is just seeing you as a blank cheque, and get out as soon as you can, as she is using you

The most important question of all. Just how valuable is your time?

[peripel]

Sugarbaby sounds like a bad option and bad karma.
I have written about all the downsides many times and noone can deny the points made

Sounds like some men like women's company so much they are happy to overpay to get that interaction. If that's your life, best have have a reset

If it comes, it comes like a storm. If it doesn't you'll be like a hopeful farmer hoping for the drought to end.

Bad karma can also manifest in a "positive" form like winning the lotto. As many people know, the more money you have and you announce it to the world, the more bad people you attract into your life.

If you're paying a lot just for a single ejaculation then you're basically attracting bad news into your life. An untrained mind has no gratitude, and a sugar baby is thinking of you as easy income while wanting more in the future.

[GoldfishMan]

I don't see the point of being biased toward any "side", whether to see WL/MLs or SBs. They're both ways for you to get your rocks off by flexing your financial muscles, just that 1 way is newer than the other and the experiences differ between the 2.

What's even the point of being biased? Surely you aren't profiting from making the masses go one way or the other. It's silly, really.

It would be like you've never tasted oysters in your life yet you vehemently say that oysters taste like shit. You're fanatically telling everyone not to eat it. Then one day you do try it and you realise that you love the taste. Then what are you gonna do?

[grant]

Why the fuck do people get so evangelical about this shit. Karma? Really?

You don't see me going into the AR section ripping into punters for going to a brothel and suggesting they try sugaring instead.

If you don't like it feel free to make another thread. Kindly stay on topic or fuck off.

[peripel]

Why the fuck do people get so evangelical about this shit. Karma? Really?

You don't see me going into the AR section ripping into punters for going to a brothel and suggesting they try sugaring instead.

If you don't like it feel free to make another thread. Kindly stay on topic or fuck off.

Sorry mate we tend to digress but telling people to be kind while you're on the F word rampage isn't going to make anyone show you the respect you're demanding.

Karma isn't an evangelical thing, in fact Christians in general don't believe in karma. In recent times the word karma has been used outside religious context because more and more people are seeing karma as if it was the sun and moon in the sky - you can't touch it but you know it's real.

People are expressing an opinion, they're sticking to the topic by saying what they think about SBs just that not all would be validating the experience. Some users also rip into the massage scene saying that brothels are better than massage shops but you don't see the massage lovers protesting in front of a brothel. Everyone to their own cup of tea.

You need to learn how to accept other people's opinions and ignore them if it doesn't align with yours. This is how you garner respect as a real man.

[thelastdance]

Guys with SBs and guys without SBs both don’t understand each other.

I’ve been sugardating for a while. Myregulars come in around $400 PPM. One of them is a tall euro blonde state level swimmer and medical student. Fucking hot. I pay her $1.2k a month and tell her she can see me as often as she likes. Usually works out at 5-6 meets a month. Sex usually at her place.

Inbetween the gems there is a lot of time wasting. But hey, I’ll kiss a few frogs in order to find a spanking hot princess .

[ReginaldBubbles]

Sorry mate we tend to digress but telling people to be kind while you're on the F word rampage isn't going to make anyone show you the respect you're demanding.

Karma isn't an evangelical thing, in fact Christians in general don't believe in karma. In recent times the word karma has been used outside religious context because more and more people are seeing karma as if it was the sun and moon in the sky - you can't touch it but you know it's real.

People are expressing an opinion, they're sticking to the topic by saying what they think about SBs just that not all would be validating the experience. Some users also rip into the massage scene saying that brothels are better than massage shops but you don't see the massage lovers protesting in front of a brothel. Everyone to their own cup of tea.

You need to learn how to accept other people's opinions and ignore them if it doesn't align with yours. This is how you garner respect as a real man.

You are fucking hilarious

[peripel]

You are fucking hilarious

I can see why you're obsessed with Vincent now. Working 17-18 hours daily and being able to fund his daily fantasy punts is insane, although I'd rather be doing only 1/3 of his work beside my day job and put the money towards better things in life. And it's fun being able to vacuum and tidy the house while you're working. The biggest perks for me would be the ability to practice mantra recitations while handling work.

[GoldfishMan]

I can see why you're obsessed with Vincent now. Working 17-18 hours daily and being able to fund his daily fantasy punts is insane, although I'd rather be doing only 1/3 of his work beside my day job and put the money towards better things in life. And it's fun being able to vacuum and tidy the house while you're working. The biggest perks for me would be the ability to practice mantra recitations while handling work.

You're mistaking ridicule for obsession. Instead, what really is an obsession is yourself with this forum. That's plain for everyone to see but yourself. Think hard on that, my fellow.

[peripel]

You're mistaking ridicule for obsession. Instead, what really is an obsession is yourself with this forum. That's plain for everyone to see but yourself. Think hard on that, my fellow.

Sorry, my phone screen brightness is set to the lowest to save battery so I can't really read all that. Been working 2hrs 30 mins and my battery has only drained about 15% which is not bad.

[thelastdance]

What does any of this have to do with SBs? Who needs ad breaks with you boys around 😝

[Anonymous Stranger]

Thanks to the OP for this thread! Always been a customer of shops and WL for the ease and anonymity but this thread got me interested so will share my experience.

Created an account and started exchanging messages with women. After a week of various exchanges (lots of pros and scammers) I managed to arrange a meet with a 22 year old.

No expectations for the meet (bar somewhere in the city) and she walked in - my lord she was a stunner! If you know French Chloe from Ginza, it's that level of beauty in a smaller frame.

Had some drinks, and it was clear we were aligned in a lot of things so it was her who asked if we should go somewhere quiet. Who am I to say no?

In the hotel more chat until she actually started kissing me - obviously that led to other things 😊

Very happy. I didn't even pay her anything although I did get her her fav perfume as a gift ( which is way less than a punt). Will be meeting with this young thing more of course, so the shops will have to take a backseat 😂

[thelastdance]

Thanks to the OP for this thread! Always been a customer of shops and WL for the ease and anonymity but this thread got me interested so will share my experience.

Created an account and started exchanging messages with women. After a week of various exchanges (lots of pros and scammers) I managed to arrange a meet with a 22 year old.

No expectations for the meet (bar somewhere in the city) and she walked in - my lord she was a stunner! If you know French Chloe from Ginza, it's that level of beauty in a smaller frame.

Had some drinks, and it was clear we were aligned in a lot of things so it was her who asked if we should go somewhere quiet. Who am I to say no?

In the hotel more chat until she actually started kissing me - obviously that led to other things ��

Very happy. I didn't even pay her anything although I did get her her fav perfume as a gift ( which is way less than a punt). Will be meeting with this young thing more of course, so the shops will have to take a backseat ��

Fantastic story AS. Can you provide a bit more detail - was she an in and out on the sex, or did she stay for the night and do multiple rounds? When did you get her the perfume, before or after the date? Could be risky buying expensive perfume upfront

[Anonymous Stranger]

Nah mate, can't do evenings so this was a day meet. After the bar we were at the hotel for 3 hours before I had to go. We went twice with lots of chatting and cuddles in between. There was a Myer close by so we went there to get her a gift before we went our separate ways. Just to be clear, the perfume was my idea, not her suggestion at all.

For full disclose I wouldn't call myself a handsome man, but I do have a lot of things I can talk about, which is what I felt closed the deal.

[Aussieguyinsf]

Hey, if you are active on Seeking Arrangement with a paid account and willing to swap tips please dm me.

[andrewv]

I wish Australia had the "Love Hotel" culture of Japan, where people pay by the hour.

Even with dayuse.com it is becoming expensive with nice hotels in the CBD charging around $200 and there is a limited number of options.

[dotcumdotinyou]

They also have love hotels in Korea, basically one on every corner

[andrewv]

I am really struggling to understand why you guys go through all this stress and research and disappointment and scams just to get a fuck.
Why not just go to an established brothel or a reputable escort agency.
Stop kidding yourself, it is the same thing, you are paying for sex, you are fucking a young hot girl who if you were not paying would not even look at you.
I thought the whole point of paying for sex was to not have all these complications and stress.
Just pay and have sex with with a young hot chick, cum in her mouth and fuck off.
But you guys want to have coffee and dinner and shopping and the zoo and the aquarium and Luna Park and fuck knows what else.
It seems to me like you are in a lose lose situation - you are paying for sex but there are still strings attached (actually it more like ropes or steel cables attached) and you get all the shit that comes with a relationship but you are paying for it. WTF? It makes no sense at all to me.
Anyway maybe it's just me. Enjoy whatever you are doing bros. We are all punters.
Just maybe take time out to think about what you are doing.

I have been through both avenues for sex. Sugaring and going to brothels and massage shops.
Question: Why choose the $700 sugarbaby option ($500 for the girl plus $200 for hotel)???
Answer: because for some psychological reason I don't like the idea of going to a shop and having sex with a girl, knowing that in the previous 4+ hours she had sex with 4+ other guys, and in the next 4+ hours she will fuck 4+ other guys --- all on the same day.

You see, with a sugarbaby, there is no clock ticking (60 minutes, 59 minutes, .... 15 minutes, 14 minutes...) and it feels as close as a couple/boyfriend+girlfriend hooking up as possible.

Having said the above, there is room for each of us punters to choose what we like, and what we can afford.