The propensity of PUA's in Sydney on a night out

[jellyshots]

I ran into a few PUA's last night whilst out with my gf N and her friend T. There's this hidden sub-culture of PUA's that I keep coming across and I think it's worth describing on our humble punting forum.

A while back I was lent a copy of "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" by Neill Strauss. It was a funny book, outlining the transformation of Neil who in Pick Up Artist (PUA) terms was called an Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) into "Styles", a mPUA (Master Pickup Artist). Most of this book was really about confidence, differentiating yourself and the art of "Negging" which is basically like in primary school - pull the girl's hair in front of you instead of telling her you actually like her. Oh, and coming up with stupid names for very everyday things that people do all the time like phone close and kiss close. Erm… getting someone's number and making out with a girl? It's also about defining terminology and all sorts of really silly stuff. Once you know their ways though, it's a very funny time messing with PUA's. So, I will also henceforth use my own abbreviation, BFD (big f'ing deal). I promptly chuckled at all the the silliness and gave the book back. I hadn't really thought about it until last night.

So, back to the story…

N and T were out on a girl's night out. So I hit the town with a couple of buddies for a blokes night. The night for us started at 10pm so it was going to be a big night. By 12, N was txting me and my mates had bailed and gone home. If you guys are reading this, you are SOFT! So I made my way to them - Hugo's, Bayswater Rd, Kings X. After much txting back and forth, I ended up just sneaking up on them and pretending to crack onto T. The look on her face was priceless.

There was a guy that had just bought the girls some drinks and he was trying to hit on T. Well, he later admitted that he was having a crack at both of them. So in terms of PUA, he was a AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) and he was using all of these techniques like any old aspiring PAW (Pickup Artist Wannabe). I didn't notice it at first but he tried to befriend me early on not realising that about 2 minutes in, it cottoned onto me that I knew what he was up to. So he took my friendliness as a green light and started to kino T. Kino is when they use kinesthesiology or touch early and often to see if there are IOI's, or Indicators Of Interest. Stupid, yeah? BFD, I say.

So T, not knowing any better is hitting him with the IOI's because she's having a good time and is dancing, drinking and happy. N at this point is draped over me and we're busy dancing away and I get to practice some latin dancing moves. N and I have been dating but this was our first night out officially as a couple and dancing the night away. So, our PAW is actually doing quite well until he does something really stupid and thinks I'm on the Game as much as he is.

I actually tell him that N is my gf and I'm not "picking up", for me she's a sure thing. He says, but the girls let me buy them a drink. I say, "listen, if you play things cool, you will have a good time with T but they're European women, go too hard and they have no problem going ice princess on you". So he starts asking how I PUA'd her and by this time, N and T are back and they're starting to ask me to translate. So I play it cool and tell N that he asked how I met her.

How do I explain to this guy that in his PUA lingo, N and T are "hired guns" or in our lingo ML/WL's and that I was just being myself, in PUA lingo, a charismatic natural and I'd basically figure out on my own how to do what PUA's think is the hardest thing to do… Pick up a "hired gun" who is used to dealing with guys that hit on them on a regular basis. BFD.

So it was, ha ha, on the internet - she picked me up… The look on his face was incredulous. Anyway, he goes to kiss N's hand and "kino turn" her away from me and she looks him in the eye and says, "my man is right here and if you do that again, he will take you outside." All in her cute Russian accent. So, T comes back and after some back and forth Russian, N and T box this guy off - backs to him and start talking to me. He tries to manoeuvre around and I have to politely tell him that he's just messed up so I'd quit whilst I was ahead if I was him. Anyway, he sidles up to T, apologises and asks her to dance. "A for the effort." I yell to them. N says, "no, A for asshole". Ouch. But sure enough she's 100% right. They're on the dance floor and he practically grabs her tits and squeezes them. T is back in a flash and grabbing my hand saying. Ok, you are N's man, time to protect us… Yep, guys - Euro girls do expect this from their men so if you guys want one, be prepared to give a few blokes some hard looks.

So PAW comes up to try to intercept me and I smoothly shift the girls behind me, between me and him, pat him on the chest and let him know he's done for the night. He yells over the top, "Why" and T, the cheeky minx that she is says, "Oh, it is time for us to leave. We will go and have threesome now. You are not invited". Wow, talk about a shut-out… So we go down to wait for a taxi.

You'd think our encounter with PUA's was over right? Nope… N is sitting down looking at me, smiling when a tall Aussie bloke comes over and tries to introduce himself to N. She turns to him and says, "This is my MAN, Jellyshots." And then we both look at him and say nothing. He stammers, "oh, you two are a really good looking couple" and then he wanders off. N and I chuckle…

Another guy walks up and lights a cigarette in between us and says, "oh, that was awkward". Ah, interesting "opener". I step between him and N and say, "yes, because neither of us smoke and it's a disgusting habit. You can quit though…" And he mumbles some sob story about his ex-gf cheating on him. I tell him not to worry but not to do silly stuff and try to use pick up techniques on 1. a woman who is taken 2. a guy who knows his tactics better than he does and 3. a woman who is foreign and doesn't understand his lines… So it was pretty funny but he shook my hand after.

And now, PAW number one comes out and he's whining to me about buying a round of drinks for the girls. I tell him BFD, I'll give you $50 for the round if you're that cheap. This just gets T laughing and she says, "I can afford to buy my own drinks but I think very small of man who can't afford to buy a woman one drink". And this is priceless… "You are not getting f*ck for one drink. There were other guys who bought us more drinks than you and they don't get f*ck".

At this point a taxi pulls up so I bundle the girls in and we head to Chinatown… Golden Century at 2:30am in the morning - yum!

We're in GC eating some seriously good scallops and exceptional salt and pepper prawns. In walks a punter from the Casino and he has no less than 3 hired guns, fake tans, fake boobs and all - smiles at me then takes the table next to me. Now this guy was trying to do the "Styles" from The Game. N, T and I had a great chuckle about their conversation. One girl was so drunk she was slurring and her inner westie accent was appearing over her fake posh one. So funny. N kept innocently asking me out loud. "Why is her accent change so much?" "This is normal?" And I'm trying not to giggle, telling her to stop it…

Anyway, this poor bloke thought he had lucked out, bagging 3 x HC (high class) and then finding out that really, he's bagged 3 x LC (low class). I really hope he paid for it and got at least a HJ off one of them. But that's punting, I guess, LOL.

4am, and GC is closed and off to another adventure...

[Travelmate]

Nice story! And good adventure ....
remind me some of mine! haha

[Travelmate]

brother jellyshot ... good on you and should share more

[jellyshots]

A Charismatic Natural such as yourself will trump a mAster PUA every fuck day of the week - well played sir

The thing is the terms they use are really stupid. Charismatic as they describe it is just people liking you. And most people on this forum have friends who like them for some reason or another so everyone is capable of being described as charismatic to some degree. As for the Natural part, I call it laziness, LOL. I am myself because I'm too lazy to make up a facade...

And I think the reason why charismatic naturals will always trump the mPUA is the different goals. mPUA's use their techniques to rack up numbers on a scoreboard. It's like, let's try to screw as many good looking women as I can. Who cares if after you blow your load, you can't stand speaking to them after?

I would rather be in love with one good woman as opposed to screwing vapid, soul sucking women to rack numbers up. And thankfully my gf looks like http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Cold+Souls+2009+Sundance+Party+EDJ7uEa4uG-l.jpg Kathryn Winnick from Vikings but with Keira Knightley's body http://www.allure.com/images/celebrity-trends/2012/12/keira-knightley-allure-december-2012-cover.jpg

[hikhik]

I enjoyed reading your adventure Jellyshots. As a PUA, I have zero skills and a zero track record. That's why I am thankful for the many friendly WL out there. On a side note, can you recommend a good shop with Russian WL?

[jellyshots]

I enjoyed reading your adventure Jellyshots. As a PUA, I have zero skills and a zero track record. That's why I am thankful for the many friendly WL out there. On a side note, can you recommend a good shop with Russian WL?

Hi Hikhik. That's the thing. The whole deal of PUA is rubbish. Everyone just needs to be themselves and find someone that likes them for them... There honestly aren't that many Russian WL's around that I know of. Kings Court has a Ukranian and a Czech ML which is the closest I can recommend. I tend to just pick a hot girl and run with it...

[timido]

good on you bro jellyshots..
nice story!
and if your gf looks like the pictures you share..
no wonders there is lots of guys try to picks her up..

[Potluck2.0]

By publishing that book the author was cashing (selling) out and having the last laugh on all the guys in this world who can't pick up. I remember a few years ago after the book was published every short ugly insecure dude out there started all pulling exactly the same moves on women, women just thought 'wtf, what an idiot'. If they couldn't see through the act they weren't worth sleeping with anyway.

I remember just being myself and girls would ask me after maybe 5 mins, 'what you're not gonna neg me' or 'you're not running game?'... That was the easiest year of one night stands and all I had to do was 'be normal'

[dannyboy]

If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..

[jellyshots]

Thanks, she is as I call her a smokinghotkova. And frankly, when I was booking her at Kings, I was more than happy to pay for the privilege. I thought I was getting away with it cheaply. Little did I know that I actually had a good chance with dating her :) She has told me that in Russia and the Ukraine the numbers are about 1 guy to 4 girls and the good guys are easily 1 to 10 women...

I was actually trying to help the first guy. Like any charismatic guy, I know and expect that we live in a world of abundance. Good things just come to us because there is plenty to share around. T was initially into this guy and I know for a fact that T is a little tart. Had he just been a pleasant bloke, bought her a couple of drinks, didn't try to grope her, she would have taken him home and blown his mind... She is after all an ML, size 10 with firm D cups... All for the price of a few rounds of drinks - $40 would have done it. Who can get all night sex in Sydney for $40?

[jellyshots]

By publishing that book the author was cashing (selling) out and having the last laugh on all the guys in this world who can't pick up. I remember a few years ago after the book was published every short ugly insecure dude out there started all pulling exactly the same moves on women, women just thought 'wtf, what an idiot'. If they couldn't see through the act they weren't worth sleeping with anyway.

I remember just being myself and girls would ask me after maybe 5 mins, 'what you're not gonna neg me' or 'you're not running game?'... That was the easiest year of one night stands and all I had to do was 'be normal'

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying... And then they did that stupid reality TV show with Mystery and Matador in it. What a bunch of tools. Well, it's made a resurgence and looks like all the young blokes are trying it... along with popping the little blue pill before a punt or a night out.

I had to laugh at a kid who explained that to me recently. I'd be somewhat worried if I had a hot naked chick in front of me doing a HJ and not being able to get it up.

At that time period of the book I was like, "what's a neg?" But then again, I never believed in using BS lines or openers either.


If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..

Yeah, but every guy has something to offer. I've had ML's tell me to my face that there are guys out there better looking, with bigger dicks, blah blah but that they'd take a normal, well mannered gentleman like me any day of the week. Because good blokes are hard to come by.

[MrSeven]

Mmm theres an asian hottie bar girl at hugos with big fake tits. Anyone know her? Shes not a Ml in her spare time?

Yeh i know of the pua community, some of them are douchebags who settle or fuk average girls.

Theres one mate of mine whos really high up in the group. But he picks up hotties all the time. To be honest its pretty hard to compete with him.

[dannyboy]

Sometimes the best way is simply to not try, just be yourself and go with the flow, even not showing you are interested in a girl will make them more curious about you, if you sleaze all over a girl you have no chance..

[Punter Poontang]

Damn straight, women can smell desperation like a cheap cologne.

Best nights ever are when you just go out and have a good time, and aren't even thinking about getting laid. That's always when ladies tend to gravitate of their own accord.

[jellyshots]

Like I mentioned about the book, it really boils down to confidence, being comfortable in your own skin. I have to say though, not playing by the established rules works wonders too. There's this technique that PUA's call AMOG which I find very funny. It apparently stands for Alpha Male Of the Group. Which is pretty much bullshit if you are out with your gf. I mean, what self-respecting bloke lets another dude try to pinch his woman from right in front of him?

Anyway, one of the things they've got wrong in my opinion is how Alpha males behave in a group. Basically, they say that Alpha males beat their chests etc, carry on and try to escalate to violence. The reality is, as in the animal kingdom, Beta males are usually the aggressors, jostling for rank. And the joke is, for all of their vaunted techniques, PUA's are really just that, Beta males jostling for position.

Alpha males on the other hand, when they meet other Alphas pretty much nod and try to ignore each other and leave each other a wide berth... Because they may be so evenly matched that they don't want to test the other one out... So the funny thing is I realise that PAW was trying to run a standard AMOG destroyer on me. First he tried to be friends with me, then when it didn't work, he tried to kino my gf and finally later on in the night he tried to make me look like a tool (tooling).

Well, it was good practice for him on what not to do. So as a bloke out on the town, here are some techniques we can use to get rid of the PUA's.

If the PUA comes up all friendly (Mystery method).
- Get them to buy a few rounds of drinks. If they're going to try to buy favours, might as well get freebies whilst you're there. If they say, "hey man, it's your shout" you can respond very bluntly by saying, "hey man, you're the one trying to get into the girls' pants… isn't that worth a few drinks?" You can then go and buy a round and come back saying, well, clearly he's on a budget (which devalues his social status) or he doesn't think you're worth a drink.
- Call out the technique he's using. PUA's get really weirded out if who they think is another PUA doesn't wing them. They think everyone should be part of their club so when you don't play nice, they freak out a little or move on.
- Pivot off their charisma. I personally used this one. Incidentally, I haven't really known these terms until youtubing PUA. Pivoting is like letting someone else talk you up. If he's being friendly, he's trying to talk you up so he can be part of the group. Agree with him but then you neg him by reducing his social status in your group. e.g. tell him that his jacket sits really well on him. Then comment to the girls that it's probably good that this guy knows how to hunt for bargains in budget brands like Just Jeans. Then say how you can almost make it look like it's been tailored if you didn't have an eye for that kind of thing. Even if it is tailored, defending their position breaks their rhythm.

PUA kinos your gf.
- Yeah, this is a no go zone. I usually deal with this one quickly and brutally. I usually lean in, no matter how big the guy is, grab the skin under their tricep, squeeze hard and say in a firm voice right in their ear, "I understand if you want to try picking up my friend but if you touch my gf again, I have no problems with walking your arse out the door." Then clamp your fingers and pull down and say "understand?" "Good. We really don't need to have this conversation again, do we?" Then give him a little push and smile like the cat that got the cream. Regardless of if you can back it up or not, the PUA's try to steer away from violence. Do what any self respecting bloke does and counter it with a covert threat of violence - and better if you grab him.
- Intercept. Jump in there first and say, "I'm flattered bro." Even better, kino him. Pat him on the upper thigh, lean in and say, "hmmm, you like touching..." For added effect, lick your lips after. It's what they call an IOI or Indicator of Interest. PUA's are notoriously homophobic. Works brilliantly with the gorilla types.
- The other kino is just reach up, move in and go to pat him on the chest. They expect this as one of their AMOG destroyers. My variation is just to step in and give them a good old fashioned nipple cripple. Works even better if they have piercings.
Pivot your gf away from the guy and keep your back to him. He'll look like a tool, get bored and go away on his own.

PUA tries to tool you.
- Just flat out call them out and say, "hey man, no-one's trying to cock block you. you're doing that job all by yourself by being sleazy. I'm just here because the girls have asked me to protect them from blokes like you."
- Confidence is key. Most of these guys did the whole PUA thing precisely because they had issues. I usually just neg them. "hey man, I know you're frustrated. You're a good looking bloke but seriously, making me look like a prick isn't helping your chances. After all, they're MY friends…" or "mate, I've been nice up until now but seriously, you can't punch this far above your weight class and expect to not get knocked back".
- Say nothing and smile. The girls will gravitate towards you.

Anyway, that's a little summary of stuff I've done. Looking forward to other punter's experiences...

[rooter]

Bomb would love this thread!
Where are you bro!
I am not taking sides, I just love the jellyshots v Bomb debates!

[hikhik]

If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..

A mathemetician called John Nash (movie A Beautiful Mind) put it this way:
"If we all go for the blonde, we block each other. Not a single one of us is gonna get her.
So then we go for her friends, but they will all give us the cold shoulder... because nobody likes to be second choice.
Well, what if no one goes for the blonde? We don't get in each other's way, and we don't insult the other girls.
That's the only way we win. That's the only way we all get laid."

[jellyshots]

Bomb would love this thread!
Where are you bro!
I am not taking sides, I just love the jellyshots v Bomb debates!

Got himself banned :) But I wouldn't be surprised if he was guest stalking the forum. The funny thing is, most of his criticisms of me were based on calling bullsh*t just for the sake of it.

Even this thread is basically an account of me on a night out with my gf and her friend and how guys tried to crack onto them and how I handled them. The PUA stuff I realized during the night after it happened so many times. But really, on this forum now, we have you, Rooter, the urban swinger who roots mate's 20 something year old wives whilst their husband watch, Eureka who is publicly dating Sei and chronicling it, and several other members dating/screwing ML's/WL's and generally having a ball. Hard to continue to call bullsh*t on all of us.

[jellyshots]

I heard he got banned.
But since I know him very well , I ' ll say this :
Reality is, when a person is on the internet acting tough all the time - and chances are he is a weak person in real life. (they have a term 'internet/keyboard warrior', )
So what does that make a person who constantly brags about how easy he picks women on a punting forum and feel the need to remind others of it ?

Who are you, the censorship nazi? You see it as bragging, from day one I've said that I treat this forum like having beer with my mates. We share, joke, laugh and generally try to ensure that everyone gets a piece of tail. I'm not the only one on here that dates ML's or WL's.

The real question is, what kind of insecurities do you have that you'd be offended by someone else's success in this area?

[AHLUNGOR]

I got confused!

I thought Bomb = bmoB

Won't you. ?

Please explain !!

[jellyshots]

Grabbing the skin under his tricep ... You dont care how big the guy is ... one day you do this and you WILL wind up in intensive care.

Its usually better to refrain from agro.. De-escalate the situation.. So what if a fuckwit 'kinos' your girl (assuming its not a grope) .. deal with that shit with words, nobody needs drama with a drunken idiot in a bar in the wee hours of the morning ... May find yourself picking shards of schooner glass out of your face yo

Drunk guys are easy to deal with and yes, pain compliance methods don't work if someone's drugged up or drunk.

The PUA was sober an really didn't expect what I did which was use one of many pain compliance techniques I could have used. My other hand was covering his secondary weapon so he couldn't reach for anything and I was stepping in his foot.

[Sextus]

Jellyshots, if I ever book your GF at King's court I hope you won't be bursting through the door to pinch my arm! :shout:

(Ps. Your serials are very entertaining, keep 'em up!)

[jellyshots]

Jellyshots, if I ever book your GF at King's court I hope you won't be bursting through the door to pinch my arm! :shout:

(Ps. Your serials are very entertaining, keep 'em up!)

Lol, I wouldn't do that to another punter anyway. I'd certainly do it to a jerk PUA. I mean, seriously what silly prick is dumb enough to try to game a girl right in front of her bf anyway?

[jellyshots]

IDK bro ... Pinch his arm, stand on his foot ... Whose to say when you let him go he wont return and smack you in the back of the head with a whisky bottle, or wait outside a pop you with a bullet as youre leaving. Resorting to violence to save face in front of a girl is always a bad idea, particularly when alcohol is involved, doesnt matter how tough you are.!

Different things work for different people. It's more about crushing someone's fighting spirit than anything. And Euro girls react differently to that. I've never had a woman get upset with me for getting between them and a guy trying to grope them. It really was a not a big deal.

At one point, my gf had her face buried in my neck and was grinding with me when this twit tried to grind her from behind. Easy enough for me to turn her away but if I hadn't have told him to fuck off, he would have taken it as an invitation to keep going.

[Sextus]

T was initially into this guy and I know for a fact that T is a little tart. Had he just been a pleasant bloke, bought her a couple of drinks, didn't try to grope her, she would have taken him home and blown his mind... She is after all an ML, size 10 with firm D cups... All for the price of a few rounds of drinks - $40 would have done it. Who can get all night sex in Sydney for $40?

You had insider information! It makes me think that ml's out on the town must carry with them the cheerful acceptance of varied types of men they bring to their work. ie, they aren't so judgemental and choosey. But you'd have to have insider information to know this. :cry:


She has told me that in Russia and the Ukraine the numbers are about 1 guy to 4 girls and the good guys are easily 1 to 10 women...

Can you ask her why there is such a man shortage? Chernobyl didn't wipe that many out, and WWII effects would have played out by now.

Sounds like a Caucasion paradise though!


I know and expect that we live in a world of abundance. Good things just come to us because there is plenty to share around.

This is the Findhorn philosophy. It may just prove what George Costanza famously said:

"It's not a lie - if you believe it."

[jellyshots]

You had insider information! It makes me think that ml's out on the town must carry with them the cheerful acceptance of varied types of men they bring to their work. ie, they aren't so judgemental and choosey. But you'd have to have insider information to know this. :cry:


Ugh N and T is grating on my nerves a little. Henceforth, I'm giving my gf the nickname Kova and T is PopTart. So, yes I had insider info but only as much as any bloke out with their gf and a friend has insider info. PopTart was dancing with the guy when Kova and I came around the corner. She introduced me to the guy as Kova's bf. He was apparently a NZ born Indian but he had an Aussie accent. He was well groomed and at first he was pretty pleasant. I'm not a jerk when I go out. I know blokes are going to try to pick up and PopTart seemed into him.

He made a few horrendously bad mistakes though. He said to me that PopTart seemed like a bit of hard work. I said, "no, she's into you. If you're polite, you'll probably go ok tonight." So they go and dance and when PopTart comes back she says she's a little thirsty - friggin' HINT HINT! He says, oh I'm good. So I say, "No worries, I'll grab the drinks". I think he thought with me out of the picture, he could pivot off PopTart and have a crack at Kova. Unfortunately, all that happened was them sitting on stools next to each other speaking in Russian until I came back.

So I get back and PopTart is eying him off because he's approaching a blonde at another table. WTF? Seriously, this guy was a little thick between the ears. He had a guaranteed with PopTart but he was more interested in numbers. So ML's on a night out are just like any other woman. Zero tolerance for assholes.



Can you ask her why there is such a man shortage? Chernobyl didn't wipe that many out, and WWII effects would have played out by now.
Sounds like a Caucasion paradise though!


I have actually asked Kova about this in the past. Since I'm only 2 years older than her, I was perplexed by her saying that she didn't think I would want to have a serious relationship with her. So guys in Russia and the Ukraine up to the age of 50 pretty much screw around. It's also very common for a husband to be 10-15 years older than his wife. So if they're even remotely good looking, they screw around. Just about all of them smoke and drink. The middle class ones are usually married and have one or more mistress.

She said it's not uncommon for the good-ish ones to push a pram around but usually they have a beer in their hand. So men with a different value system definitely have a leg up on their own men. Saying that, if they could find a good man, they'd stay over there with them.

The hardest part with Kova was not just telling her but showing her that 1. I was a good guy. 2. I was in it for the long haul. 3. That I was a strong enough man to say no to her occassionally. They like being treated nice but they don't want a bloke they can walk over either. If you are a push-over, don't be surprised if she goes out with you and screws someone else. Kova is 37 and was dating a guy in his 50's before I came into the picture.

As a Caucasian Aussie male, you would have no major issues pulling a smokinghotkova if you were sincere about it.



This is the Findhorn philosophy. It may just prove what George Costanza famously said:
"It's not a lie - if you believe it."

I'm still not sure what this Findhorn philosophy is about or how George Costanza's quote is relevant. You do get what you look for. If you are after fun, you either end up paying for it or chatting up 22-28 year olds. By the time they're 29 and upwards, women are looking for something different and they're not just after eye candy. There were good looking single girls everywhere at Hugo's. The single guys were too busy getting smashed to approach any of the girls.

[Sextus]

.I'm still not sure what this Findhorn philosophy is about or how George Costanza's quote is relevant.

They had an optimistic belief in the presence of abundance for us all to tap into it, so long as we believed and accepted it was there. Your thinking about this is like theirs. There must be a limited number of philosophies, and you don't need to read about them or know about them to discover them for yourself through your own experience.

While George's pronouncement was made cynically, in this case, belief may just make things come true - as belief guides your whole behaviour and attitudes.

[rooter]

what I did which was use one of many pain compliance techniques I could have used. My other hand was covering his secondary weapon so he couldn't reach for anything and I was stepping in his foot.

A WL pulled used this very technique on me recently. I thought it was some sort of Japanese kinky sex thing and it got me as horny as fuck!!
Now you're telling me it was just a "pain compliance technique" - you sure do know how to take the romance out of things bro.
I thought me and that girl had a special connection. I'm shattered. Next you'll be telling me she faked an orgasm too! ;)

[rooter]

They "Banned the Bomb"

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[jellyshots]

They had an optimistic belief in the presence of abundance for us all to tap into it, so long as we believed and accepted it was there. Your thinking about this is like theirs. There must be a limited number of philosophies, and you don't need to read about them or know about them to discover them for yourself through your own experience.

While George's pronouncement was made cynically, in this case, belief may just make things come true - as belief guides your whole behaviour and attitudes.

Yeah, I can see how some of the philosophy fits. I tend to be a little more pragmatic than philosophical. I am an optimist. At Hugo's, I saw a lot of good looking people in general. If they saw what I saw, more of them would have hooked up I think.

[jellyshots]

A WL pulled used this very technique on me recently. I thought it was some sort of Japanese kinky sex thing and it got me as horny as fuck!!
Now you're telling me it was just a "pain compliance technique" - you sure do know how to take the romance out of things bro.
I thought me and that girl had a special connection. I'm shattered. Next you'll be telling me she faked an orgasm too! ;)

It probably was with her. Have you tried the whole rope tying thing with any Japanese girls? It can be pretty hot stuff.

[jellyshots]

Really ? I am the one who got banned and I am the censorship Nazi ?

Whatever, dude.

And all that crap about insecurities - spare me - I am not the one who posts a million stories on an internet forum showing off how I am getting freebies left, right, and centre.

And on the same breath, bragging on how much you spend on punting ?:confused2:

I'm sure I'll get that someday.

See, whether you lying or not doesn't even matter , cause who or however many women, ML, WL, whatever you had sex really doesn't affect anyone here.

Yeah, I put your credibility in a coffin when I caught your BS that time. But even then it was just funny to me.

Funny as in when I read posts like yours, I get a mental picture of a cat licking its own balls.

And I get it - bragging just comes naturally when you gather with guys and talk about chicks. If that's how you get your rocks off, good for you.

But when that's all that seems to come out of your mouth, you come across as annoying, silly little sod crying for attention. What am I supposed to do ? Not look at it?

Anyone that click on that link on your user that shows your posts can read what you write and decide for themselves.

Seriously, guys like you aren't that hard to figure out.

Envy is bad for your soul :cry:. Saying the same things over and over again doesn't make you right. But when that's all that seems to come out of your mouth, you come across as annoying, silly little sod crying for attention.:cry::cry::cry:

Maybe you should cry somewhere else if you can't handle it.

[CunningLinguist]

IDK bro ... Pinch his arm, stand on his foot ... Whose to say when you let him go he wont return and smack you in the back of the head with a whisky bottle, or wait outside a pop you with a bullet as youre leaving. Resorting to violence to save face in front of a girl is always a bad idea, particularly when alcohol is involved, doesnt matter how tough you are.!

My policy is not to escalate, but to diffuse. You are right Animus you never know when someone will get their nose out of joint and plan a revenge attack.

[Gucci2012]

Not all PUA's are clueless assholes. I had a similar experience recently where my f-buddy and her soon to be married best friend had just finished a night out in the city and wanted meet up for a 3am coffee @ the French Cafe on the corner of George and Goulburn St.

So I said sure as I had been up all night on my ps3.

Anyway I'm a 1 minute walk from the cafe so I head down in my pjamas pants, singlet and slippers. When I get there my f-buddy and her friend were covered in reasonably good looking, well dressed young men and conversations were in full swing. I push through the crowd and kiss both of them and sit down. Then with a great big friendly smile I say "who are your friends?" and scan the eyes of every guy at the table who were also scanning me a middle aged guy with a 2 day beard growth/messy hair in a singlet, pajamas and slippers...they probably also saw that I'm a big guy covered in Irezumi(thank you singlet) and not kind of the guy you want to mess with (true story) needless to say the group of PUA's quickly evaporated leaving just one.

I invited him to sit at our table. After 5 minutes of friendly conversation and his Inquisition into my relationship with his intended target (my f-buddy) he politely excused himself and he and his boys left the cafe. 2 minutes later the waitress brought over toasted banana breads and ham and cheese croissants paid for by the PUA before he left. Who ever you are nice touch buddy.

[jellyshots]

Not all PUA's are clueless assholes. I had a similar experience recently where my f-buddy and her soon to be married best friend had just finished a night out in the city and wanted meet up for a 3am coffee @ the French Cafe on the corner of George and Goulburn St.

So I said sure as I had been up all night on my ps3.

Anyway I'm a 1 minute walk from the cafe so I head down in my pjamas pants, singlet and slippers. When I get there my f-buddy and her friend were covered in reasonably good looking, well dressed young men and conversations were in full swing. I push through the crowd and kiss both of them and sit down. Then with a great big friendly smile I say "who are your friends?" and scan the eyes of every guy at the table who were also scanning me a middle aged guy with a 2 day beard growth/messy hair in a singlet, pajamas and slippers...they probably also saw that I'm a big guy covered in Irezumi(thank you singlet) and not kind of the guy you want to mess with (true story) needless to say the group of PUA's quickly evaporated leaving just one.

I invited him to sit at our table. After 5 minutes of friendly conversation and his Inquisition into my relationship with his intended target (my f-buddy) he politely excused himself and he and his boys left the cafe. 2 minutes later the waitress brought over toasted banana breads and ham and cheese croissants paid for by the PUA before he left. Who ever you are nice touch buddy.

True, not all of them. The last two guys quickly bailed. The first guy was probably very inexperienced at the whole PUA thing.

It's still funny that the last guy tried to befriend you and then get info out of you that he could try to use in his little pickup spiel.

[jellyshots]

Nah, I deal with insecure people quite fine I think.

Of course you do. All you have to do is look in the mirror and pretend you're someone else :)

[CunningLinguist]

*Ok its story time
*
So there I was chilling at the Ivy Bar the weekend before last with two of my fuckbuddies (one a 9/10 Ukrainian ballerina, the other a 9/10 JAV actress - my main squeeze is a 10/10 swimsuit model but she was in the Bahamas on a bikini shoot so I was making do). Anyway, I’m relaxing with these ladies, showing them photos of my new Maserati and discussing the detail of a multi-million dollar corporate merger deal I had finalised at work on the previous day, when out of the blue two master pick up artists eye my girls (I shouldn’t be surprised, they were easily the best looking women in the club that night), approach our table and start doing their thing
*
So, m-PUA#1 sits next to me, acting all chummy and shit like he's my bro as a way to ingratiate himself to the girls and join our little group. I just sort of give him the cold-shoulder like I don't even notice him (at this point I should mention I'm a 6"4 gym rat, built like a tank and jacked to the max. Also, I’ve got crazy tatts all over my arms, neck, face and hands (sounds nasty but actually very classy) so you get the message, I can be an intimidating hombre when I want to be lol. In any case, master PUA #1 gets the message and pisses off back into the crowd.
*
Then m-PUA#2 sidles up next to my blonde ballerina girl. He obviously wants to act like Mr Moneybags and orders the table a round of cocktails, making a real show of pulling a c-note out of his wallet to pay lol. Well.. there’s no way I’m gonna let this fucker take the high ground, so I pull a wad of cash out of my trouser pocket (I never leave my penthouse without at least a few grand in my billfold, its just how I roll yo) and order the entire club a round of drinks (there must be several hundred people clambering to the bar at this point to avail themselves of my generosity). I tip the bartender a hundred just to underline the point. Needless to say, PUA#2 scuttles off very quickly after that. My two girls think this is hilarious, draping themselves over me and laughing at the dude as the poor geezer leaves the table, utterly humbled and humiliated.
*
Suddenly m-PUA#3 grabs the brunette airline hostess and starts groping her, putting his arm around her waste and leaning in for a kiss. Well, there’s no way I’m gonna stand for that sh!t. When people see me for the first time their first impression is usually ‘wow – this guy is incredibly handsome and also incredibly muscular’. But what isn’t so apparent is that I’m also an incredibly skilled brazilian jiu jitsu, MMA and Jeet Kune Do material artist. Anyway, I confront this guy, and politely ask him to refrain from touching my female companion and also to apologise and seek her forgiveness. Well, the punk grabs a bottle from the bar and swings it at me. Needless to say, I easily dodge the attack, crane kick the bottle from his hand, and then restrain him with a carotid hold. He instantly apologises to the girl, and the entire bar erupts in a round of applause!

Wake up, you are gonna be late for work :)

[dannyboy]

These stories are absolutely ridiculous, get out of fantasy land

[Gucci2012]

These stories are absolutely ridiculous, get out of fantasy land

Ahahaha Whose story mine? A guy walking to meet 2 girls in his pajamas isn't too ridiculous.

[BigBoy]

ROFL, you guys are too funny.. makes for an interesting read tho.

[asiafever]

A couple of mates of mine are alleged pua's. Truth be told they are no more successful than most, they just go out more often and get rejected more but it's sheer weight of numbers. Anyhow one of them even started doing seminars, people paid this bozo money to hear some of the nonsense they promote. Funniest part of the three of us I'm the only one to sleep with a stripper, a model and have to slowly made my way through our target of having slept with a girl from every continent, unpaid. The only continent now I've failed to touch down in is North America..

[jellyshots]

How did i not see this earlier?

The ducktales aren t your fantasies. You re just telling stories that happen to someone you know !

It's quite fun making you jealous. The fact that I have real people who can verify what I write really is inconsequential isn't it? You just like being a troll...

[jellyshots]

A couple of mates of mine are alleged pua's. Truth be told they are no more successful than most, they just go out more often and get rejected more but it's sheer weight of numbers. Anyhow one of them even started doing seminars, people paid this bozo money to hear some of the nonsense they promote. Funniest part of the three of us I'm the only one to sleep with a stripper, a model and have to slowly made my way through our target of having slept with a girl from every continent, unpaid. The only continent now I've failed to touch down in is North America..

I'm sure there are some really smooth operators out there but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't even call themselves PUAs in the first place.

All of these PUAs remind me of blokes that started out too scared to approach anyone, much less women. They go to these workshops and get a few openers and a few other techniques to compensate for their lack of confidence, looks, height or whatever.

North America isn't really going to be much of a challenge for you Asiafever. Just a matter if time I guess.

In any case, my thread was a part AR, part discussion on PUAs and apart from the usual silliness by a troll, it's certainly been a fun discussion.

[jellyshots]

Dude how can anyone verify anything on an anonymous discussion board??

By removing the anonymity. What exactly do people want to know anyway? If I'm Asian? If I have a GF? If what happened on Sat happened?

I was happy for this random guy to pick up PopTart and I even told him that if he played his cards right, he'd get laid. If you had been there and I knew you from the punting forum, enjoyed reading a few of your threads I would have talked you up. Because I certainly have my hands full with my own GF.

But, I'm not in the habit of proving anything to bullies. I have my own way of dealing with them...

[Punter Poontang]

The only continent now I've failed to touch down in is North America..

Saving the easiest for last?? :cool2:

[Sextus]

Dude how can anyone verify anything on an anonymous discussion board??

I enjoyed your satire piece above, animus and it took imagination and effort to write. So you can imagine that it is easier to write from real life the way jellyshots is, especially when it is thousands and thousands of words! He's a good chronicler with a consistent tone and vice (he he.. I meant to write "voice" and mistyped it, but that word works much better!)

[Sextus]

This is easy Jellyshots. Next time you are out with Kova and Poptart, get someone to take a photo of you three cropped off neck to knee. Have Kova grab your crutch and post the photo here. Simple!
I'll take it for you if you give me some more tips about Poptart! :question:

[jellyshots]

This is easy Jellyshots. Next time you are out with Kova and Poptart, get someone to take a photo of you three cropped off neck to knee. Have Kova grab your crutch and post the photo here. Simple!
I'll take it for you if you give me some more tips about Poptart! :question:

Ah Sextus, we're on the same wavelength here but I wouldn't do anything as crude as a crotch shot. I will PM you...

[asiafever]

North America has been a barren wasteland of despair and blueballery. Canadian girls in particular are on my black list now.

[jellyshots]

North America has been a barren wasteland of despair and blueballery. Canadian girls in particular are on my black list now.

Man, that sucks. Megan(Canadian) from Kings would probably blow you for $50 though. She's a busty redhead. Lesbo - kinda, so she probably won't go FS. Not sure if Bernadette would do extras but shes a lean light brown haired Canadian...

[asiafever]

I had a Canadian at Cocos milsons point a few years back, she was hot, but out in the real world they've given me donuts..m

[jellyshots]

I had a Canadian at Cocos milsons point a few years back, she was hot, but out in the real world they've given me donuts..m

Mate, that sucks but I'm sure you'll crack it ;)

[Punter Poontang]

North America has been a barren wasteland of despair and blueballery. Canadian girls in particular are on my black list now.

Oh, wow. When you said you'd "failed to touch down" there, I figured you'd actually yet to travel there.

American girls are dumb, and they love Aussie's. Over there, it's a piece of piss to pull the local girls.

[rooter]

... Anyway I'm a 1 minute walk from the cafe so I head down in my pjamas pants, singlet and slippers ....

Gucci bro in my minds eye I pictured you as a classy well dressed guy. I am shattered ;)
Please tell me they were all designer label silk pyjamas, singlet, and slippers at least ...

[Gucci2012]

Gucci bro in my minds eye I pictured you as a classy well dressed guy. I am shattered ;)
Please tell me they were all designer label silk pyjamas, singlet, and slippers at least ...

"Classy and well dressed" is me Monday to Friday...yes, weekends... no chance especially 3 in the morning.

[asiafever]

Oh, wow. When you said you'd "failed to touch down" there, I figured you'd actually yet to travel there.

American girls are dumb, and they love Aussie's. Over there, it's a piece of piss to pull the local girls.

Well you're right, I've never been, but yeah when travelling or when I met them here they gave me no love. I'll get there eventually.

[jellyshots]

So I've confirmed a couple of things with Sextus. I'm sure he can see why these guys were trying to pick Kova and PopTart up and he knows what I look like too. It's not really the point though. I'm on here to have a chat with people, share some good times, have a laugh. Sextus can confirm that I look like a pretty happy go lucky, down to earth bloke and that is accentuated in person.

I'm a little disappointed though that I've gotten so much flack. Like I've said in the past, just because someone isn't talking about something, doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. I hope for the rest of you guys, I've been able to give you some good tips on the girls, shops and for those of you inclined, a few tips on other things.

Good luck on the punt and see you on the flip side...

[x11]

"Classy and well dressed" is me Monday to Friday...yes, weekends... no chance especially 3 in the morning.

now I just can't stop picturing you as one of the bananas in pajamas! are you b1 or b2?

[Sextus]

As per my previous posts above, I could already tell from Jellyshot's writing style and its documentary nature that he is writing from real life, so he didn't need to send me any photos.

But he sent them anyway, and I was a bit shocked to get them! But he is a trusting and open guy - and with me at least (and almost everyone probably) that is justified. The pics stop with me obviously!

He is as he describes himself, he may not quite be model material, but nevertheless he has a winning look to him, with a sense of optimism that comes through in his writing too.

He's got a TinTin Herge'-like tuft of black hair (which I can see the girls would find kind of cute) and he is also one of these lucky guys who can grow a set of well cut sidelevers - they'd like those too. If you were in Charlie company in WWII he'd be the Asian-American wit and wag of the platoon that everyone likes - and to give the film a bit of an emotional kick, he would therefore be unlikely to make it to the end of the movie. In fact I'm sure he wouldn't! Sorry mate!

He dresses well, as he says. (I wish I could dress well - but I feel the heat of Sydney too much to ever be a suit jacketed man.) Jellyshots may also be visiting Golden Century at 3am a bit too often, because there is a little bit of softness to his belly, but I'm sure he has had a lot of fun getting it.

Let me talk about Poptart now. Wow! I really like her. (I don't know what I like more, her nickname, or her!) She is a true caucasian, born not too far, in geographical terms, from the mountains that gave us our name - the Caucasus in southern Russia. And you just can't get any more caucasian than that! Ironically though, she has that white asiatic look that Russki's / Ukranians can often have. She has a voluptous white skinned body that I've realised I can have my hands on at a moments notice just by a visit to King's court. Ok, it may not be fs there, but it has been a long while since I've enjoyed a cauc, and you just can't get any more caucasian than her, as I said. I think I could come if she jerked me off while murmuring filth into my ear in her horny James Bond movie accent. :slobber:

[jellyshots]

He is as he describes himself, he may not quite be model material, but nevertheless he has a winning look to him, with a sense of optimism that comes through in his writing too.
When Sextus suggested a photo, I had been thinking of who could verify this for me. The names on my list were Ahlungor (so we could have a chat to Foxy together), Travelmate (whose punting thread has helped me immensely), x11 (who I share similar taste in women) and Sextus (whose writing style I like), Eureka and Sei. Sextus, by virtue of being a punter that posted a pic of himself won out.

LOL, never said I was a model. I've said that I'm a pretty average looking guy. I don't think I look to bad a few months short of 40. Yes, I am a positive person and frankly, the ladies respond better to that than cynicism.



He's got a TinTin Herge'-like tuft of black hair (which I can see the girls would find kind of cute) and he is also one of these lucky guys who can grow a set of well cut sidelevers - they'd like those too. If you were in Charlie company in WWII he'd be the Asian-American wit and wag of the platoon that everyone likes - and to give the film a bit of an emotional kick, he would therefore be unlikely to make it to the end of the movie. In fact I'm sure he wouldn't! Sorry mate!
Hahaha! Some days I feel like Harry Connick Jr. when he was in Memphis Belle or the musicians at the end of Titanic. If we're gonna go, let's go with a bang!



He dresses well, as he says. (I wish I could dress well - but I feel the heat of Sydney too much to ever be a suit jacketed man.) Jellyshots may also be visiting Golden Century at 3am a bit too often, because there is a little bit of softness to his belly, but I'm sure he has had a lot of fun getting it.
My photo was taken prior to me doing some Spartacus bodyweight workouts. I've gone down a size since then but I can't tell if it's from the training or from seeing Kova :)



Let me talk about Poptart now. Wow! I really like her. (I don't know what I like more, her nickname, or her!) She is a true caucasian, born not too far, in geographical terms, from the mountains that gave us our name - the Caucasus in southern Russia. And you just can't get any more caucasian than that! Ironically though, she has that white asiatic look that Russki's / Ukranians can often have. She has a voluptous white skinned body that I've realised I can have my hands on at a moments notice just by a visit to King's court. Ok, it may not be fs there, but it has been a long while since I've enjoyed a cauc, and you just can't get any more caucasian than her, as I said. I think I could come if she jerked me off while murmuring filth into my ear in her horny James Bond movie accent.
I'm glad you liked the nickname I decided to give her. Suits her well, doesn't it? Now, just picture last week, her body in a painted on little black dress. and she's a very bouncy, energetic little bunny. I've never booked her so I don't know what she's like on the table but she's big on personality.

Now, as I have suggested to Sextus. The invitation was NOT just a picture of this girl. The invitation was a punt in the party spa where I would personally introduce him to PopTart in the common room. So, he could verify how well known I was in there - from how the managers treated me and the girls engaged with me. Then he would have the opportunity to verify if 1. the PopTart in the photo was working at Kings and 2. If she knew me 3. If I was with her on Saturday night and 4. If some guys were cracking onto her etc. etc.

I've been considering just leaving the forum for a little while and this to me is a great parting gift to Sextus who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Which also proves that yes, people can be lucky and have good things happen to them occasionally.

[Gucci2012]

now I just can't stop picturing you as one of the bananas in pajamas! are you b1 or b2?

I see myself as more of a B1 than a B2, and I won't be "coming down the stairs" I'll be cumming on your hairs.

[jellyshots]

Obviously Sextus can vouch for all that from a photograph of two girls and a guy.
I'm prepared to validate what I've said. I picked Sextus to meet PopTart in Kings and he can also meet Kova and I outside prior to going inside. It would be pretty clear if she was with me or not. Like SMS's between her and I, how she was with me in public, what she says about last week. And I'd happily talk him up to a cute little Ukranian PopTart just because I like the guy's writing style.

Clearly, you'd find something to pick apart even if Sextus did go and collect his prize. That's the point though. You, like the PUA on Saturday are such a broken, petty little insecure men that you need to run others down to make yourself feel better. And then go and brag about how many times you've been banned!

So I'll toast to c*nts like you - thanks mate, if it wasn't for cynical negative pricks like you, average nice guys like me would never have a chance with women like Kova or PopTart.

[Sextus]

Pop Tart Pop Art!

From Russia, with love.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/waveflow/poptart1_zps65c404c5.jpg (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/waveflow/media/poptart1_zps65c404c5.jpg.html)


http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag116/waveflow/poptart2_zps568cec52.jpg (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/waveflow/media/poptart2_zps568cec52.jpg.html)

[Sextus]

even if Sextus did go and collect his prize.

I didn't know there was a prize Jellyshots!

Everyone is giving out sex prizes these days - like Eureka for example.

Hang on, Sei won that prize didn't she? And she isn't likely to collect it (unless it is delivered by his own hands that is.) So that is one sex prize bit the dust.

64's second prize wasn't even awarded for February's review competition, so lousy were the sub-standard pickings to award it too. So that is two prizes bit the dust.

And now Jellyshots is offering me a King's Court massage prize! But mate, I didn't do anything for it. I solved no riddle, I wrote no review: all I did was look at a couple of saucy photos of some hot chicks - and I do that all the time. So that is three prizes bit the dust!

That doesn't mean I won't go to King's court though, off my own bat - for a bit of Russian with love.

[jellyshots]

I didn't know there was a prize Jellyshots!

Everyone is giving out sex prizes these days - like Eureka for example.

Hang on, Sei won that prize didn't she? And she isn't likely to collect it (unless it is delivered by his own hands that is.) So that is one sex prize bit the dust.

64's second prize wasn't even awarded for February's review competition, so lousy were the sub-standard pickings to award it too. So that is two prizes bit the dust.

And now Jellyshots is offering me a King's Court massage prize! But mate, I didn't do anything for it. I solved no riddle, I wrote no review: all I did was look at a couple of saucy photos of some hot chicks - and I do that all the time. So that is three prizes bit the dust!

That doesn't mean I won't go to King's court though, off my own bat - for a bit of Russian with love.

The prize was a personal intro rather than just a lineup intro. Sorry, I wasn't going to throw an 85 min private around...

[Sextus]

The prize was a personal intro rather than just a lineup intro. Sorry, I wasn't going to throw an 85 min private around...

Of course! How could I be so dumb! (We need an emoticon for hitting your hand onto your forehead.) The prize was for me to leverage your first class influence with Poptart at Kings court into my sweet talking Poptart into us seeing each other out in civvie street for fun and recreation.

I'm so used to seeing things in mere punting terms that that is how I defined your unexpected talk of a prize. But truly, you are talking of a much greater prize than a mere punt! Maybe I should have an anonymous session there first with her, I'd sure love to hear her accent. She a biggish, well rounded girl too - cor :slobber:

[rooter]

What a bizarre thread !!

[jellyshots]

Of course! How could I be so dumb! (We need an emoticon for hitting your hand onto your forehead.) The prize was for me to leverage your first class influence with Poptart at Kings court into my sweet talking Poptart into us seeing each other out in civvie street for fun and recreation.

I'm so used to seeing things in mere punting terms that that is how I defined your unexpected talk of a prize. But truly, you are talking of a much greater prize than a mere punt! Maybe I should have an anonymous session there first with her, I'd sure love to hear her accent. She a biggish, well rounded girl too - cor :slobber:

Yes, of course you should try her first. It's funny, they speak English as poorly as Asian ML's but the different enunciation is hot. And PopTart does have slight asiatic features that I've seen Hungarian girls have.

Bro Ahlungor would LOVE her...

I've given you her stage name. If you get nowhere, then you can leverage off a personal intro from me. It still may not lead to extras but it's like a guaranteed good time. Half the battle is building a rep in a shop...

[BigBoy]

What a bizarre thread !!

I totally agree Rooter...

[jellyshots]

Yes, after all that. Let's get back on track then. I had this experience on the weekend where I encountered some PUA's. I managed to do a few things to get rid of them. Gucci's encountered them as well and Animus has sarcastically encountered them.

Anyone else? And how did you figure out they were PUA's, how did you deal with them?

[rooter]

I really don't understand the central premise of this thread which is a hostility towards pick up artists.
They are just guys going out to pick up a root. What is wrong with that? Its what guys do isnt it?
And if some guys are better at it than others then good luck to them - we should admire them the same way we admire someone who is a great footballer, or chef, or mathematician.
Isn't every guy who goes out without a girlfriend on a saturday trying to pick up a root - why all the aggro toward them?
Maybe I have missed something, please enlighten me. i have a very short attention span (probably undiagnosed ADHD) so I haven't read all the post so someone please tell me what the point of all this is.
I am always learning.
but very briefly please !!!

[jellyshots]

I really don't understand the central premise of this thread which is a hostility towards pick up artists.
They are just guys going out to pick up a root. What is wrong with that? Its what guys do isnt it?
And if some guys are better at it than others then good luck to them - we should admire them the same way we admire someone who is a great footballer, or chef, or mathematician.
Isn't every guy who goes out without a girlfriend on a saturday trying to pick up a root - why all the aggro toward them?
Maybe I have missed something, please enlighten me. i have a very short attention span (probably undiagnosed ADHD) so I haven't read all the post so someone please tell me what the point of all this is.
I am always learning.
but very briefly please !!!

There's no aggro towards other guys trying to pick up a root. We all do it.

I was illustrating that there's this whole subculture of blokes going around calling themselves PUA's. wonering if others had encountered them and if their techniques were crap as I observed or I there was something to it.

I'd also happily discuss the harajuku or cosplay bar culture from Japan if this topic isn't kawaii ne! enough...

[Licker]

I was illustrating that there's this whole subculture of blokes going around calling themselves PUA's. wonering if others had encountered them and if their techniques were crap as I observed or I there was something to it.

While you were illustrating this PUA subculture with your story, I was just left wondering...

Did any of these blokes you encountered on that night say or otherwise identify themselves as belonging (or hoping to belong) to said subculture?

If you define every drunken horny bloke that's trying to come on to a girl at bar as PUA, then the world is full of PUA's (give them enough alcohol).

The first, and the second bloke rather than PUA's sounded like LWH's to me (Looser Without Hope - of scoring).
The third one was just trying to be funny, are you sure your previous encounters did not affect your judgement of him?

[spitzer]

There's no aggro towards other guys trying to pick up a root. We all do it.

I was illustrating that there's this whole subculture of blokes going around calling themselves PUA's. wonering if others had encountered them and if their techniques were crap as I observed or I there was something to it.

I'd also happily discuss the harajuku or cosplay bar culture from Japan if this topic isn't kawaii ne! enough...

Short answer is I have yet to knowingly encounter the PUA in person. Thinking back the best was Tom cruise and the goose in top gun.

I am posting to thank jelly bro for initiating what IMO has turned into quite an entertaining and enlightening thread, which led to much self revelation for him and I suspect he has gained respect and cred. from many by standing up and putting his identity where his keyboard was..( there was no tradional money or mouth involved) when he was called out. If I am wrong about the " many" then he certainly has mine.
Newman , I mean Sextus, U r 2 lucky, make something of the opportunity and keep us informed sir.

[Sextus]

Thinking back the best was Tom cruise and the goose in top gun.

Still has the best air to air aviation photography I've ever seen.



Newman , I mean Sextus, U r 2 lucky, make something of the opportunity and keep us informed sir.

Newman???! sheessh! Give me a break!

Mind you, it has been a long while since I have been in the scene that Jellyshots describes. I was going to sketch a picture of my regular wingman at the time that I was in the scene and post it, and you will see why we didn't enjoy much success - both equally at fault I think. So I'm chuckling a bit at the fate of some of the guys that Jellyshots describes.

I printed out the picture of Poptart on some nice glossy paper and I've been admiring it. She is reclining in a rock pool and her tits are straning to be free of what looks like a one size too small bikini.

[rooter]

Look. I don't know where i really stand on this whole thread, actually i don't really stand; I kneel, I sit, I lay down, I salute to the sun, I try to do a handstand to clear out the toxins, and fucking hell there are enough of them in my system right now .. I'm out .. argue amongst yourselves. i am over it, I am already into the friday night footy, and a bottle of bundy with ice, and I've got a fuckbuddy arriving at 1am but she doesn't really exist because sextus has pontificated fuckbuddies don't exist, so when she arrives I will pretend she's not really there (even though she's sucking my tongue and spitting on her hand and stroking my cock!) good night !!

[jellyshots]

While you were illustrating this PUA subculture with your story, I was just left wondering...

Did any of these blokes you encountered on that night say or otherwise identify themselves as belonging (or hoping to belong) to said subculture?

If you define every drunken horny bloke that's trying to come on to a girl at bar as PUA, then the world is full of PUA's (give them enough alcohol).

The first, and the second bloke rather than PUA's sounded like LWH's to me (Looser Without Hope - of scoring).
The third one was just trying to be funny, are you sure your previous encounters did not affect your judgement of him?
The first bloke asked me if I was a PUA (pronouncing it poo-ah) and the last bloke told me he was trying a move from a book he'd ready. The last guy was ok, he was very classy about his apology.

After I saw a few vids on YouTube, all three if then were definitely running game. 1 was using Mystery Method but he was dressed like Styles. 2 was I think way more experienced. He came in to divide and conquer and backed off when he realised he was in a no-fly zone and his recivery/exit was very slick.

I'm not including the guys that walked up to them in my way in, they looked more the norm.

You an pretty much tell - they look too practiced if that makes sense.

[Sillyboy]

Personally I would be happy that guys would wanna try pick up my GF since that would mean that she has a degree of attractiveness to others. For sure you wouldn't be happy if you were cuckolded but that then depends on how good you are that your girl wouldn't even bother about others!

[Sextus]

I've got a fuckbuddy arriving at 1am but she doesn't really exist because sextus has pontificated fuckbuddies don't exist,

Rooter says I think it is a load of Papal Bull !

(Some of you will get the gag there he he)

[jellyshots]

Yeah, I'm doing that meandering retirement thing... Glad you're still reading the thread Bomb and getting fired up enough to comment. You still see these as boast threads, that's entirely up to you, but there's obviously a reason why you have to pay for it rather than most of the rest of us that choose to pay for it. Thanks for racking up the view count too :)

And SillyBoy, I agree - I have no problem with guys cracking into my girl. I was curious though that PUA's don't really care if girls are with guys when they do their approach. Most other guys wait until the girls are on the dance flirt by themselves.

[spitzer]

Still has the best air to air aviation photography I've ever seen.



"Newman???! sheessh! Give me a break!"

Newman said in the tone used when Jerry realizes he has been beaten to the punch..

"Mind you, it has been a long while since I have been in the scene that Jellyshots describes. I was going to sketch a picture of my regular wingman at the time that I was in the scene and post it, and you will see why we didn't enjoy much success - both equally at fault I think. "

I can promise u were not Robinson Crusoe

I printed out the picture of Poptart on some nice glossy paper and I've been admiring it. She is reclining in a rock pool and her tits are straning to be free of what looks like a one size too small bikini.
Double Newman

[Sextus]

When I read this post I must admit I also thought jellyshot was offering sextus a free punt!!!

Am I missing something here - arent introductions with prostitutes included in the price of admission anyway? Or is it being suggested that a personal introduction by jellyshots will result in this girl providing sextus with extra special services?

I must admit, it is a rather thin line for me to hang my washing on. :question: :D But Jellyshots urges us to be the best we can, and that is a good message.

Humbleness is over-rated I think, particularly here in Australia. I mean, think for a moment about Jesus, supposedly the most humble guy of all. But then you think of the huge amount of ego he must have had (read: his self-belief) to sustain such drive and vision and accomplishments.

I reckon if you are too humble, or if you rate being humble too highly, all you are doing is giving yourself ready made excuses to fail. (Though in the spirit of humbleness, I am open to argument.)

[the wizard]

blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. mathew 5.5

[Licker]

Rooter says I think it is a load of Papal Bull !

(Some of you will get the gag there he he)

I do and the Pontiff certainly would too. Apparently he and his ancestors were big on gagging people :vomit:
Somehow I think he's (who ever he might be at the time) got some fuckbuddies.
Whether his FB's belong to the choir singing praise at the Sistine Chapel on Sundays is beside the point :)

[Sextus]

That's a bit harsh licker! Not the Pope! Maybe some of his underlings, but that is all well in the past now, far too much bad press.

[jellyshots]

And theres a reason why you re dodging the subjects :)

Remind me, how many pages did it take freelancer to back his claim with Tiny's thread?

Dance away, Romeo :)

Dodging what subjects? Are you seriously THAT thick? A few of you focused on trying to call me out so I sent Sextus pictures of me and the girls. He's verified that the pictures are personal photos and he's told everyone on the forum how hot he thinks PopTart is. So it's not a big fucking stretch to see that if one punter who regularly pays for FS and is tempted to try a Cauc after a long time, that some blokes would try to pick her up on a night out.

I even took this a step further and offered to introduce him to both Kova and PopTart. Now I'm sure for pretty much everyone else who had doubts, they could verify that with Sextus themselves.

You certainly haven't added anything useful to the thread except rack up the view count and being a general troll as usual.

[jellyshots]

When I read this post I must admit I also thought jellyshot was offering sextus a free punt!!!

So - the 'prize' is actually a personal introduction by jellyshot to this prostitute 'poptart' - but sextus needs to pay for the actual punt himself? Am I missing something here - arent introductions with prostitutes included in the price of admission anyway? Or is it being suggested that a personal introduction by jellyshots will result in this girl providing sextus with extra special services?
I've racked up a lot of time at Kings and have a good reputation. I get better service than the average punter there. So yes, if I intro Sextus to PopTart and a few of the managers, he will have a better time than if he just walked in off the street. And these girls aren't prostitutes. They only do massage with HJ.

[rooter]

blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. mathew 5.5

Well i am not the Mesiah, despite the rumours but I can tell you for sure that this is just a typo in the bible.
It should read "blessed are the meerkats for they will inherit the earth"
Have you noticed those little fuckers are always up on their hind legs looking left and right? They are looking for the signal for when they can take over the planet.

[Gucci2012]

Well i am not the Mesiah, despite the rumours but I can tell you for sure that this is just a typo in the bible.
It should read "blessed are the meerkats for they will inherit the earth"
Have you noticed those little fuckers are always up on their hind legs looking left and right? They are looking for the signal for when they can take over the planet.

Compare the meerkat.com.au

[rooter]

Compare the meerkat.com.au

Exactly bro,
They have their own website, their own TV show Meercat Manor, but most importantly they are strategically positioned in a Zoo in every major city in the world !! Up on those hind legs, constant state of readiness !

[Gucci2012]

'Blessed are the greeks' right?

"OPPA!" the Greek version, not the Korean

And now smash some plate's

[jellyshots]

Ah I see, fair enough

Originally it was to verify the story. Didn't know he'd be that into her. But since he was, I'd happily talk him up to guarantee a good time - as I would do for pretty much anyone who had a pleasant demeanour. I like good things happening to good people.

[the wizard]

Well i am not the Mesiah, despite the rumours but I can tell you for sure that this is just a typo in the bible.
It should read "blessed are the meerkats for they will inherit the earth"
Have you noticed those little fuckers are always up on their hind legs looking left and right? They are looking for the signal for when they can take over the planet.
Rooter did you see them in the life of Pi- they will take over the world

But it should be
"Blessed are the cheese makers
Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products."

[jellyshots]

Verified it from a photo of two girls and a guy? Really?

Do you think that 'tell a big lie, wrap in some truths, and people will swallow it' tactic works on me?

Please...

And yep, i want as many views as possible on this thread and keep it on the first page lol
If you want to continue making a fool out of yourself, by all means, continue...

[hikhik]

Holy Crap Batman, after all this talk of foot stomps, pins, holds, grabs and pain compliance I might never go out again!

[jellyshots]

Holy Crap Batman, after all this talk of foot stomps, pins, holds, grabs and pain compliance I might never go out again!

You would have missed picking up all of the women there that didn't have boyfriends. I have to say, I didn't see any ugly people at Hugo's on Sat night. Everyone was dressed up nice. No-one was out of control drunk. It was a group more like late 20's to mid 40's. It was pretty even numbers between small groups of guys, small groups of women and mixed groups.

Downstairs, in the other bar, it was quite different.

[jellyshots]

I don t think you re far off the mark there.

The best poor Sextus is probably going to get from him, and I doubt that that's even going to happen, is a point of a finger to an ML during the intro who he has paid to see enough times to ask to meet outside.

Lets see what Sextus decides but for now I am not sure if his comment about printing the photo he got on a glossy paper and admiring it should be interpreted as a good or bad sign.

Now that's just ridiculous. Why the fuck would anyone pay an ML to lie to a punter for them when they could just spend it punting. It's the same reason I'm not paying for his punt. What for? So you can claim I paid him off too?

It's up to Sextus if he wants to meet. I fully respect his right to his anonymity but he's confirmed that I had no problem giving him some photo evidence. I don't give a rat's arse if that isn't proof enough. You called me out, I responded.

So, FUCK YOU. All you've ever done on this forum is have a go at me and try to derail my posts. Sit behind your keyboard, little keyboard warrior because I have you pegged. You are a gutless piece of trash and this forum is way better off for not having dickheads like you in it.

[Sextus]

Don t need to be a genius to know the reason why you picked Sextus as "the winner" lol.

There is only one thing worse than being talked about.
And that is NOT being talked about! :shout:

[spitzer]

Good riddance Scarecrow, you wont be missed, except on this thread which seems to be the sole focus of your posting history.
I am yet to see anyone back up claims, or offer to back them up the way Jelly has.
Rather than others not acknowledging the qualities you applied to him, his "outrage" seems to be at the lack of recognition, or perhaps the stoic blinkered views, even after an independent third party verifies the relationship.

What bothers me is you being bothered by bragging narcissists, why would you expect to find anything else on a site created for men to recount their exploits with a variety of beauties of the fairer sex.... or as you so prudishly put it " these prostitutes"... Send my regards to Reverend Nile and go a bit further down the bar.



Ive been biting my tongue on this thread but ive now decided to just come out and say it.

Jelly shot - I dont doubt that you are dating this prostitute poptart. I also dont doubt that you are charasmatic, charming, wealthy, brave and a lady's man - all of which are implied in your posts.

What bothers me the most is the constant bragging and narcissitic undertones, and also your outrage when others refuse to acknowledge these same qualities about yourself.

You said in another thread that you behave in this forum in the same way you would over a beer with mates. Well sir, im taking my beverage and moving to a stool further down the bar. Good day to you!

* signing out of this thread *

[jellyshots]

Firstly, I'm dating Kova not PopTart. Now, if someone has a go at you on the forum, any bloke would have a crack back. I've been open enough to provide some proof which is way more than others have offered. I'm not going to publicly publish photos of my GF. Like many of you wouldn't.

If you look through Bomb and now bmoB's history you'll see that most of his posting history is a direct criticism of me or him derailing my threads.

Notice that he's now trying to attack an independent punter like Sextus because Sextus doesn't agree with him. Wow... such class.

People are focusing more on me than the topic which is in my opinion, extremely close minded. And frankly, I'm surprised at how close minded some people have been since this forum is about punting and After Reports!

And Scarecrow, they're not prostitutes. If some of the blokes are treating them that way then I wouldn't be surprised at why they're not getting offers.

[Sextus]

And Scarecrow, they're not prostitutes. If some of the blokes are treating them that way then I wouldn't be surprised at why they're not getting offers.

Jellyshots if "treating them like prostitutes" means treating them very well, then that is what we all do, from my reading over months on this forum. We treat them like we do any women. They look after us, appreciate us and understand our needs, and we love the service they give us, which could not be any more intimate.

Scarecrow tried to use the word prostitute in a pejorative way. At the least, I think that thinking is very old fashioned, like 19th century thinking. It is a form of misogyny, and as I've said before, all the evidence I've seen on the forum is that we are just the opposite - we are philogynists, and that includes you. You are the last one to worry about the fact that these ladies make men come. :smile: There are no doubt blokes around that are like you describe though., but I haven't really seen them on the forum.

[jellyshots]

Jellyshots if "treating them like prostitutes" means treating them very well, then that is what we all do, from my reading over months on this forum. We treat them like we do any women. They look after us, appreciate us and understand our needs, and we love the service they give us, which could not be any more intimate.

Scarecrow tried to use the word prostitute in a pejorative way. At the least, I think that thinking is very old fashioned, like 19th century thinking. It is a form of misogyny, and as I've said before, all the evidence I've seen on the forum is that we are just the opposite - we are philogynists, and that includes you. You are the last one to worry about the fact that these ladies make men come. I'm not worried about it - I love 'em! :smile:

My apologies then, I thought he was using the term prostitute as a replacement for "whore".

I have to completely agree with you - I absolutely adore women.

[Sextus]

I've never really used the term "whore." but I've always found the term "slut" pretty exciting!

[Sextus]

.Sextus - my use of the term 'prostitute' wasnt meant to be pejorative

Ok, understood - I was too hasty. Yes, we are all influenced by their wiles and professional charms!

[jellyshots]

Anyway, I did a bit of research after Sat night before I wrote my AR. I thought it would be a fun topic. I don't think it's fair to have a go at me for my personality but that's what happens on an open forum. I spend a bit of time researching PUA's on Sun so I could use those terms and give an otherwise boring story some life. After all, I was out with my gf and her friend and some guys who seemed to know what they were doing tried to pick them up and we shut them down.

I'm absolutely convinced that they were PUA's but hey, maybe they weren't. I don't really care anymore.

I'm sure no matter what I wrote, it wouldn't have made a difference. I'd still cop flack anyway... I think I will just leave you guys to it. Happy to answer PM's from the guys and for the rest of you guys, thanks for the support and ciao for now...