Whats your Martial Arts?

[8inches]

I know this question is far from punting, pussies, boobs and sex, but I wanna ask you guys opinion as my 13 years old nephew wants to learn Martial Arts for self defence. So many choices out there so if any of you practice whats you style and why?

Thanks in advance

[AHLUNGOR]

I know this question is far from punting, pussies, boobs and sex, but I wanna ask you guys opinion as my 13 years old nephew wants to learn Martial Arts for self defence. So many choices out there so if any of you practice whats you style and why?

Thanks in advance

Not sure what sort of martial arts schools are there in Sydney.

If his aims are self defense and perhaps strengthening his body, I am sure most shops can teach you the basics to achieve that and you should not rule out the Japanese schools of karate and judo!!

Korean style 跆拳道 or 合氣道，the former was at one stage was being taught in the US military academy.

For Chinese martial arts, there are lots of different school, if he is my family I will recommend he learns the 詠春派 and for three main reasons:

1. The aim of 詠春 is self defense

2. The style is suited for persons in a smaller statue, that's why lots of ladies and smaller guy learn from it, other martial you may need more strength in order to fight better.

3. Bruce Lee, enough said

Just my two cents, there may be other brothers who are a real expert in this matter

Good luck

Cheers

[8inches]

Thanks AHlungor, his parents are looking at Karate as a lot of kids are doing it, but I suggested Wing Chun as it seems more practical and as you mentioned Bruce Lee, Ip Man enough said haha

[wilisno]

I know this question is far from punting, pussies, boobs and sex, but I wanna ask you guys opinion as my 13 years old nephew wants to learn Martial Arts for self defence. So many choices out there so if any of you practice whats you style and why?

Thanks in advance
Ok, here's my take :

For good health, self esteem and discipline : look for some good Taekwondo and Hapkido schools.

For practical use, self defense : Muay Thai, Wing Chun.

[cisco]

Bruce lee , jet kun do....

[Divine]

I agree with Willsno. My 2 cents, wing chun and Muay Thai are the way to go. You can also look at Judo, once you're good at that you can move onto BJJ (Brazilian jiu jitsu)

[DeepImpact]

I know this isn't the answer you are looking for but my advice would be to tell him to play a heavy contact sport, either League or Union - I started playing when young and still do as it does toughen you up as their are heavy collisions and also you learn a lot of wrestling and putting people bigger then you to the ground as it is repeated over and over at training and in games, increases real world fitness, is a team sport and he can make a lot of friends that will last since childhood. To supplement he can also try boxing but it depends on if the parents are going to allow their kid to do it or if they prefer more wrestling and martial arts techniques.

As long as he chooses something then he should learn some good things.

One more thing, he should learn to never say he does boxing or martial arts unless he wants to get into a lot of fights and lets face it there is always someone tougher out there.

[wilisno]

Become a sprinter and run like Usain.

Seriously, don't think that a few years of martial arts will defend you against a bunch of thugs armed with knives.

No matter how many years you have trained in martial arts, one must be very silly to confront a bunch of thugs armed with knives ! Self defense is to defend against a bully or a robbery, and if it's not a favourable situation, run !

[splash]

FINALLY I can post in this thread, I saw this thread this morning whilst at work (on phone of course) and couldn't wait to get home to put in my input. I Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuve martial arts and combat sports, I probably watch a professional fight or a highlight of a professional fighter on Youtube like once a day, mainly Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Boxing (I absolutely love boxing) and occasionally UFC (only a selected few fighters, not a huge fan of MMA).

I hope what I am about to type will be helpful for not only the topic starter but also anyone who is interested in looking for a martial arts style. I also hope to provide an interesting insight on my views on Martial arts. It has been a while since a wrote an ultra-long post, let alone those epic reviews that I've done with my honest report, so in the words of Michael Buffer "Leeeeeeeeets get ready to rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!"


Philosophy
So the TS' nephew wants to learn a martial art (M.A.) for self-defense. A lot of people initially start out with learning some sort of M.A. with this attitude of simply fighting, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because the purpose of a punch or a kick is to inflict pain on your opponent in order to prevent yourself from receiving harm yourself, and afterall, "the best defense is office". Those who get fully into it will eventually discover that there's much more to any form of Martial Arts, it is all about bettering oneself, it's not directly told to you, but you discover it, from the dedication required (you can't train a few lessons then stop, you need to keep going, you need to continue to refine the basics), to the physical and mental transformation you experience, this is why Martial Arts is addictive for me, these improvements are merely byproducts, there is no ultimate goal to Martial Arts, otherwise you will have people who would be selling this "goal" in books and commercialising so-called "McDojos" with this idea (more on that later).


Best Style?
Here, I MAY destroy a lot of posts that was posted here in response to the TS' query, DO forgive me, I am merely pointing out weaknesses in martial arts, you will see where I am going here. Keep in mind I do train in Martial Arts - kickboxing, and yes there's weakness in this art too.

So we have good ideas such as Wing Chun, TKD, Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, Karate. All good suggestions, so why am I looking to destroy these ideas?

Wing Chun isn't good because Bruce Lee and Ip Man... in fact, Bruce Lee saw flaws in Wing Chun so he developed JKD, which is not really a style, it is a philosophy. Also Ip Man's son has said that you are NOT going to take on 10 guys like Donnie Yen did with the Ip Man movie, but yes! Ip Man did whoop ass in real life, it isn't because of his style, but more on that later.

Someone also suggested BJJ, BJJ is EXCELLENT! On the ground, and only in a one on one battle, you do not want to take down someone and gain the upperhand by applying either a mount, half guard or full guard struggling to reach for a Kimura or an armbar especially in a gang fight. You are exposed to the other guys who can stomp the shit out of you, kick your head in, or worst, stab your back. That said, I won't neglect the importance of ground defense, but you have to access how important it is since MOST street fights are done in a standing position.

Muay Thai is great, there is close range and long range, but it's emphasis is mainly kicks, elbows and knees, and of course, the clinch (which to be is the hardest part of MT). While there is punching, Muay Thai (Thailand version, but the Dutch style, which resembles more kickboxing) isn't too big on boxing because since MT is a combat sport, points are scored higher on kicks, punches don't get scored well unless you do noticeable damage or of course, if you knock the guy out. Also MT is a square stance, foot work isn't as fluent as boxing or kickboxing (which borrows from boxing itself). That said, MT is commonly effective nowdays as a form of fighting because of it's damaging blows and it's simplicity.

So I have dissed a few suggestions, including some of my favorite styles, what am I doing? I am trying to help out the TS right? (Or hoping to help him out). EVERY style has a weakness, and their strengths, every style has an advantage over another, and a disadvantage against another as well. A well Muay Thai fighter can get destroyed by a Wing Chun practitioner (there are Youtube clips of this), it isn't because of the style, it is because of the fighter himself.

The problem with Wing Chun for me is like most Chinese Martial Arts, they do NOT do sparring! Aliveness is important, because you learn learn 10 years of technique work against a choreographed opponent, but once you engage is a REAL (or mock) fight, everything gets thrown out the window because you never get to embrace that fear, the closest to meeting this fear of danger is during sparring sessions, learning to apply your techniques not in a choreographed fashion, but knowing how to react to a jab, or a low kick followed by a jab combo, or even how to move away from a BJJ takedown, or trapping a TKD kick.

Once you get hit in the face, an inexperienced fighter would cower in fear and confusion, you begin to throw random swinging punches, your stance gets destroyed, which is crucial to how you generate power in your attacks in the most economical time and also how you change angles and evade attacks. It is also crucial to remain calm in fights, the reason why people get KO'ed in fights is because of wild swings, and of course, this is what a fight is, but being able to calmly assess the situation during the onslaught of punches is a skill on it's own, it can never be perfected, but you have an advantage in sparring.

There is no ideal style to have your nephew train under for self-defense, what he needs to do is to pick something he enjoys and believes is effective and have him dedicate himself to it. Ensure he somehow gets some kind of REAL-life training too.

What I will advise you is how to chose the right gym, which is more important than choosing a style.


The Right Place
Chose a gym that doesn't grade belts easily, but explain to your nephew that belts NEED to be earned the hard way. Too many Karate gyms grade black belts too easily. In BJJ, it takes 10 years for someone to get to Blackbelt, and this isn't the best belt.

Also I would look for whether the gym has competitors fighting for them. Shows you the gym is serious about fighting. This also allows for the opportunity for your nephew to one day get an experience of the aliveness of fighting.

And I think this is all I had to say. Hope it helps.

[wilisno]

Hehehe, what a long post ! :miao:

It's true that all disciplines have flaws, but if you are better than your opponent, then the flaw is negligible. The main flaw of Chinese martial arts is it has too many forms, and the forms have to be executed completely to be effective, and it takes many years of training to make it a second nature. That's why Bruce Lee invented JKD, that is to do away with forms, to utilise the essence of all forms of martial arts, change to other disciplines as the situation changes, be like water in a cup, my friend ! Hahaha

But to be good at JKD, which was actually the origin of MMA, one has to be trained in all disciplines, and Wing Chun was the father of it all, ask Bruce Lee if you don't believe me ! :miao: And no sparring in the training of Wing Chun is not true either, that depends on where you learn it from. And Muay Thai is the most effective in the shortest time of training, not all your opponents are well trained either, but as I said earlier, no one is invincible, if the situation is not favourable, run !

[8inches]

Wing Chun seems interesting,
I have seen youtube videos of chi sau, at first it just looks like 2 guys making circles with their arms but its much more than that, but how practical is it in a real fight?

[wilisno]

Wing Chun seems interesting,
I have seen youtube videos of chi sau, at first it just looks like 2 guys making circles with their arms but its much more than that, but how practical is it in a real fight?

Hehe, have you see the movie Ip Man ? Or Bruce Lee's movie ?

[AHLUNGOR]

Hehe, have you see the movie Ip Man ? Or Bruce Lee's movie ?

詠春以埋身短勁見稱, 三大拳套：
尋橋，標指，小念頭
埋木人樁
以及兵器，八斬刀同六點半棍
功夫易學難精
冇三五七年難登堂入室
Just my two cents

Cheers

[Nejums]

I find it funny that people have taken Bruce Lee's JKD and made establishments off of it, when the very purpose and philosophy of JKD is that it was meant to be against such things. JKD was a tailored art for Bruce Lee. One does not simply learn JKD. They develop their own JKD.

Having said that though, if your nephew is serious about learning any form of Martial Arts, make sure he puts his heart into it and learn the disciplines they teach. You're not there to simply learn techniques to kick arse.

[wilisno]

詠春以埋身短勁見稱, 三大拳套：
尋橋，標指，小念頭
埋木人樁
以及兵器，八斬刀同六點半棍
功夫易學難精
冇三五七年難登堂入室
Just my two cents

Cheers
As with any Chinese martial arts, it takes time and dedication to make it second nature to the practitioner. And to Nejums, whether Bruce Lee wanted it that way or not, it's widely accepted by the MMA community that JKD is the father of MMA !

[dannyboy]

you need to know how to grapple, BJJ or judo, for stand up either boxing, muay thai or JKD..

[AHLUNGOR]

Well said, bro. !!

But I guess for westerners/aussies, "Hung Kuen" maybe more suitable than "Wing Chun" as the chinese martial arts to purue. As you know, "Hung Kuen" is originated from the Shaolin Master "Hung Chi Koon" and the cantonese martial arts master "Wong Fai Hung" had benefitted a lot from learning "Hung Kuen".

Quite a number of the great Martial Arts Masters were from Canton and the father of "Wong Fai Hung" named "Wong Ki Ying" is also one of the great masters known as the "Canton Ten Tigers".

Haha, brother Niceman

You know your Chinese Kung Fu stuff a lot!! Watching too much 少林 Kung fu movie by the director 張徹？

I too had learn a very little bit of Hung Kuen in my teenage years.

And I knew 虎鶴雙形 too!!

我都可以算係洪拳正宗：
祖承洪熙官
至南拳正宗佛山黃祺英傳子黃飛鴻
授徒林世榮及趙教再傅長男趙威就係我師父嘞

所以計番起來當年傅聲，戚冠軍(呀財哥）都算係我師兄

Cheers

[Mozilla]

nothing beats the School of the Dragon Claws...

can be used against all foes... including the opponents during a punt

[hell no]

Haha, brother Niceman

You know your Chinese Kung Fu stuff a lot!! Watching too much 少林 Kung fu movie by the director 張徹？

I too had learn a very little bit of Hung Kuen in my teenage years.

And I knew 虎鶴雙形 too!!

我都可以算係洪拳正宗：
祖承洪熙官
至南拳正宗佛山黃祺英傳子黃飛鴻
授徒林世榮及趙教再傅長男趙威就係我師父嘞

所以計番起來當年傅聲，戚冠軍(呀財哥）都算係我師兄

Cheers

Can any bros plz translate these chinese writing??

I'm chinese, but i cannot read chinese at all, not sure whether if that is sick or have i just taken myself to the next level..........

It reads something like Hung Hei Goon having a hunng lun ( red dick ).... Am i right?? Plz help a bro out!!.......:cry:

[AHLUNGOR]

Can any bros plz translate these chinese writing??

I'm chinese, but i cannot read chinese at all, not sure whether if that is sick or have i just taken myself to the next level..........

It reads something like Hung Hei Goon having a hunng lun ( red dick ).... Am i right?? Plz help a bro out!!.......:cry:

Well, google translate does it again:

I can be counted as from the Department of Fist authentic:

Once Upon a Time in China from Shaolin to authentic Foshan Huang Qi Ying to son Huang Fai Hung who taught
The apprentices Magnificent Butcher (Lin Si Wing) and Zhao Chao who then taught his eldest son Zhao Wei who was the master of Ahlungor back in the 70's

So counting all of Zhao Wei's pupils the then Kung Fu stars Fu Sheng and Qi Guanjun (ah Choi brother) are considered, My Brother at school !!

You all got that ??

Cheers

[Chucky]

I studied Wing Chun for over 7 years with Jim Fung & taught at 2 of his schools for 5 years. His style is very practical for the street, but since he died, the quality of the Senior Instructors is poor and the system is being watered down. I also trained at Rick spain's school for 2 years - Rick now is a brown belt in BJJ so incorporates alot of kickboxing and MMA into his training - it depends if you want some street practical self defence, or some ring fighting.

Put it this way, you won't get fit doing wing chun in the schools in Sydney (there are many people teaching watered down versions of it now, especially since Jim Fung died - but Leung Ting descendants, Wong Shun Leong, William Cheung and even Jim Fung students) - IMO none are much chop for the pure wing chun that a grandmaster like Tsui Sheng Tin teachers. I know a guy called Mark Spence teaches it, but his classes are so unorganised and not structured, plus he tries to belt his students right away, which in many cases can put you right off.

[hell no]

Well, google translate does it again:

I can be counted as from the Department of Fist authentic:

Once Upon a Time in China from Shaolin to authentic Foshan Huang Qi Ying to son Huang Fai Hung who taught
The apprentices Magnificent Butcher (Lin Si Wing) and Zhao Chao who then taught his eldest son Zhao Wei who was the master of Ahlungor back in the 70's

So counting all of Zhao Wei's pupils the then Kung Fu stars Fu Sheng and Qi Guanjun (ah Choi brother) are considered, My Brother at school !!

You all got that ??

Cheers

Thanks Ahlungor!!!

Papa is in love with you again.....




To me, i reckon Ip Man wasn't that good all he did was taught Bruce Lee a bit of wing chun and that's it....... Ip Man looks more like a faggot, good knob gobbler rather than a wing chun master, Bruce Lee made him famous!! Ip Man's master and grandmaster was the sick cunts, Chan Wah Shun ( master ) and Leung Jan ( grandmaster )..........

After the fight with Wong Jack Man, Bruce Lee decided not to believe in styles anymore, the cunt dropped JKD and Wing Chun and instead chose to be formless like water, making movies in hong Kong and eating all the pussies behind his wife's back!!......

[8inches]

Apparently Ip Mans best student is still alive teaching in hong kong
Sigung Chu Shong Ting
Is this for real or a marketing strategy?

[hell no]

Hehe, have you see the movie Ip Man ? Or Bruce Lee's movie ?

Ip Man movie was really good, i think Donnie Yen will be starring in Ip Man 3, first things first, he'll be in Monkey King releasing later this year or early next year!!...

[hell no]

Apparently Ip Mans best student is still alive teaching in hong kong
Sigung Chu Shong Ting
Is this for real or a marketing strategy?

they're just a bunch of spastics, put them in the cage with the UFC fighters and they'll be knob gobbling rather than fighting!!

[wilisno]

Ip Man movie was really good, i think Donnie Yen will be starring in Ip Man 3, first things first, he'll be in Monkey King releasing later this year or early next year!!...
Haha, you do follow Donnie Yen !

[hell no]

Haha, you do follow Donnie Yen !

I do bro!!! To me, he's better than Jet Li and Jackie Chan!!.... I also like Sammo Hung, bit of meat for the pushing, come here Fatboy!!...

[wilisno]

I do bro!!! To me, he's better than Jet Li and Jackie Chan!!.... I also like Sammo Hung, bit of meat for the pushing, come here Fatboy!!...
Yeah, Donnie's moves are very believable, he even played some BJJ in one of the movies ...

[hell no]

Yeah, Donnie's moves are very believable, he even played some BJJ in one of the movies ...

Yeah, Flash Point and SPL a.k.a Killzone, I'm glad it was BJJ moves and not BBBJ!! LOL........

[wilisno]

Yeah, Flash Point and SPL a.k.a Killzone, I'm glad it was BJJ moves and not BBBJ!! LOL........
Something could break if you let him do that ! ;)

[PhoBot]

For defense and getting out quick.... Krav Magar

[AHLUNGOR]

Good to know that you learnt "Hung Kuen" before. There is, in fact, a lot of overseas chinese pursuing chinese martial arts while studying or working overseas. Do you know that the current Financial Secretary in Hong Kong, Mr. Tsang Chun Wah is also a Kung Fu Master ? He has taught a lot of high ranking government officials in Hong Kong "Hung Kuen" while they were still junior administrative officers and in terms of seniority, Mr. Tsang is one level higher than Bruce Lee who has learnt a lot of chinese kung fu in addition to "Wing Chun". Tsang learnt chinese kung fu in USA while studying in Harvard and continued his pursuits of chinese martial arts while working in USA.

You and Tsang may be "Hung Kuen" brothers though Tsang has later specialised in Tee Sin Kuen.

Cheers

Mr TSANG is quite a few years older than me, so if he would have learn some Hung Chuen in HK, he was definitely a big brother 師兄。

[wannabe]

kung fu is good for making movies..

[DeepImpact]

kung fu is good for making movies..

Steady on Bro. Have a look at this Kung Fu master in action ..... or at least until he faced someone that wasn't a student of his

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

[8inches]

Krav Maga is awesome!


For defense and getting out quick.... Krav Magar

[tpol]

Instead of tkd, wc, go for daty, bbbj

[8inches]

Instead of tkd, wc, go for daty, bbbj

Just when i thot the forum was missing a comedian/clown
Tpol saves the day!

[Jerome]

I began enjoying when younger and still do as it does strengthen you up as their are large crashes and also you learn a lot of struggling and placing people larger then you to the floor as it is recurring over and over at training and in activities, improves real life health and health and fitness, is a group game and he can make a lot of buddies that will last since child years.

[hell no]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKl9vp2PIyU

This is what wing chun is all about!! Watch it bros...

I'll back any ufc fighters up over these two so called wing chun rice eaters!!...

[uber]

You can do far worse than learn two styles at once.

Knowing the basics of two or more different styles of martial arts helps you understand that fundamentally, many of the movements required are common to fighting systems the world over, whether Japanese, Chinese, Indian, or even Renaissance Italian or German. Understanding this will make learning any martial art easier, and helps one appreciate the fact that no matter where you go, there will always be someone who knows how to beat the shit out of you, thus encouraging humility.

While people have recommended mainly Eastern martial arts, with the exceptions of BJJ and Krav Maga, don't neglect the growing community of Western MA practitioners. There are at least two groups in Sydney that I know of who do that sort of thing, but if you do decide to go that route, stay away from re-enactors - these groups tend to avoid the martial arts side of traditional Western combat, and severely restrict where and how you can hit. A WMA group will generally focus more on the science and art of shoving sharp things into other people, or killing them with your bare hands, while avoiding the same being done to you.

[splash]

Knowing the basics of two or more different styles of martial arts helps you understand that fundamentally, many of the movements required are common to fighting systems the world over, whether Japanese, Chinese, Indian, or even Renaissance Italian or German. Understanding this will make learning any martial art easier, and helps one appreciate the fact that no matter where you go, there will always be someone who knows how to beat the shit out of you, thus encouraging humility.
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I like this a lot!

You have...
A jab
A Cross
Uppercuts
Hooks

For your hand techniques (of course elbows, but very few people use those except for Thai fighters)

You have
left low
left mid
left high
right low
right mid
right high
left knee
right knee
front left push kick
front right push kick

Lets not go into the whole Chinese style "dragon tail" sweep kick, that shit works, but not 100%. But yes, all martial arts (striking arts) teach you the majority or all of the above movements, just in variations that make their respective arts... theirs.

Focus on the fundamentals, I never worry about learning fancy moves. Keep it simple. That's what I always go by

[uber]

I would also like to add that virtually every grappling art uses the same locks and holds, with very few variations.

This is because there is only a finite number of ways one can bend the human body under normal circumstances before things start to break.

[wilisno]

But Royce Gracie's grappling techniques are real eyes opener !

[Steven Seagal]

Mine is Aikido.

[Onthebeach]

Oragami for the pacifist

[guailo]

What a cracker. Here is my preferred progression. Start early with good old sweet art of boxing. Then move to kick boxing/muay thai. The BJJ or wrestling or grappling.
Boxing gives an early grounding in the fighting arts.

[fatpork]

thai kick boxing is pretty kewl :D

[Chucky]

Just get a gun - anyone messes with you then BANG! Smoke that mo-fo's ass!!

[Cracker38]

I've never trained in any chinese styles, have done karate and judo but I was really into joint locks and throws. BJJ is greta aswell and have tried some training in this aswell. I believe most martial arts train in a variety of styles to gain different techniques.

[icecream]

The shadow..

Dark is light.. Light is dark..

[PunterBoy]

Good question. Really a matter of taste. Why don't you take him to a few trial sessions to see what he likes?
When you're 13 it is not just a matter of what combat style suits you the best. The environment, instructors and mates are equally important.

[jellyshots]

Best thing to do is look at a few places. Training is as much about the student/teacher, student/student relationship as it is about the style. Look for one that is non-competitive. Reason why is because sports based arts encourage you to slog it out with the opponent as opposed to trying to remove yourself from conflict. There are a number of non-competitive jujutsu schools in Sydney which will teach your nephew situational awareness, distracting strikes and above all, the attitude of non-conflict. He would also be exposed to some pretty cool history and some pretty cool traditional weapons. In those schools, you train with a partner so it's co-operative learning. With kung fu, most of it is not partner based.

In a pinch, the arm bars and locks allow you to control someone so that you can escape. At no time does he want to be using the ridiculously stupid techniques of women's self defense. One of their main defenses happens to be scratching a guy's eyes. If you do stuff like that, you become the aggressor and are more likely to get locked up.

I'd seriously steer clear of BJJ and kickboxing unless he wants to be in fights every weekend. For some reason young bucks sense that competitiveness on you and constantly try to test themselves. Boxing is also very good but breaking someone's jaw isn't the best feeling in the world. Better off finding an art that can teach some sort of control.

[uber]

I was going to suggest looking for someone who can teach the Fairbairn-Sykes-Applegate method, but since the last time that style was used in a serious manner, a whole bunch of Nazis died, I'm not sure that it qualifies as self-defence.

[jellyshots]

I was going to suggest looking for someone who can teach the Fairbairn-Sykes-Applegate method, but since the last time that style was used in a serious manner, a whole bunch of Nazis died, I'm not sure that it qualifies as self-defence.

Or learn to cum on command so if someone was trying to mug you, you could blow a load right in their eye to distract them and escape.

[yamada]

Army style^^

[uber]

Or learn to cum on command so if someone was trying to mug you, you could blow a load right in their eye to distract them and escape.

Ah, the infamous squid defence.

Only a true master can channel Louis CK in such a manner.

[jellyshots]

Jelly shots can mean a lot of things, lol.

[17012430]

Just finished reading The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, a must read for anyone looking to better themselves mentally, physically or spiritually :)

[uber]

I am 23, is it too late to learn? always want to do takwondo. but always think that to start from the beginning u have to train with kids.

It's not too late, but if you want to learn a martial art, do something else.

Taekwondo is a martial art in the same way that golf is a martial art.

[8inches]

Just finished reading The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, a must read for anyone looking to better themselves mentally, physically or spiritually :)

I've heard many great things about that book.

[8inches]

My nephew started Wing Chun sometimes I pick him up and watch 1 of the Instructors do a form on a wooden dummy.

[uber]

what do u suggest?

Start with Krav Maga and go from there.

[hell no]

I am 23, is it too late to learn? always want to do takwondo. but always think that to start from the beginning u have to train with kids.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uG2hBcfVTQ

No good to learn martial arts, here is another video of a wing chun master up against a tkd master, all the techniques and stance was thrown out the door when they made contact with each other, what's worst is that the tkd fighter was trip down and the wing chun master still happen to put a foot in his face after giving him so many punches in da face and he still felt proud of winning the fight, giving out that honourable chinese gesture, you know what, he can go fuck himself what a disgrace he is, if i was him i would be putting a paper bag over my face and walked away, that is not wing chun at all..........

You're better off playing video games like me, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Oni Musha and Final Fantasy they all have good fighting moves..
Papa luvs it.... LOL!!!

[8inches]

Technique doesn't mean much if you can't control nerves or if you act like a bitch when you get hit.
Keep playing video games Papa safety comes first!

[gimpy]

I don't know karate, but I know ka-razy.

[wilisno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uG2hBcfVTQ

No good to learn martial arts, here is another video of a wing chun master up against a tkd master, all the techniques and stance was thrown out the door when they made contact with each other, what's worst is that the tkd fighter was trip down and the wing chun master still happen to put a foot in his face after giving him so many punches in da face and he still felt proud of winning the fight, giving out that honourable chinese gesture, you know what, he can go fuck himself what a disgrace he is, if i was him i would be putting a paper bag over my face and walked away, that is not wing chun at all..........

You're better off playing video games like me, Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Oni Musha and Final Fantasy they all have good fighting moves..
Papa luvs it.... LOL!!!
Hahaha, the problem is, you're probably watching random guys who claimed to be masters !

[hell no]

Hahaha, the problem is, you're probably watching random guys who claimed to be masters !

Hehe, i was trying to talk the bros into playing video games with me, i'm glad you picked it... I GIVE UP!!

This video is for 8inches bro.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Cb2d0ZUVs

A genuime wing chun master should be fighting like this!!.....

[takeway8]

Anyone know where to learn TKD in sydney?

[uber]

Anyone know where to learn TKD in sydney?

Literally took one and a half seconds on Google to find out. (https://www.google.com/search?q=sydney+taekwondo)

[takeway8]

Literally took one and a half seconds on Google to find out. (https://www.google.com/search?q=sydney+taekwondo)

Typo, I mean Jeet Kune Do (JKD)

[RampantLove]

From my experience, it's Tai Chi and Wing Chun. Good Wing chun has sparring and hand to hand. BJJ is a good compliment as well.
also go to Thailand and do the muay thai 3 month training. That will get you in good stead.

On the other hand. It's all too much and I also just use psychology and common sense to not be in bad situations.

[8inches]

From my experience, it's Tai Chi and Wing Chun. Good Wing chun has sparring and hand to hand. BJJ is a good compliment as well.
also go to Thailand and do the muay thai 3 month training. That will get you in good stead.

On the other hand. It's all too much and I also just use psychology and common sense to not be in bad situations.

You have a very good understanding of martial arts.
Where do you train?

[jellyshots]

Good Wing Chun period is enough or any style that is very focused. No need to go to Thailand or do BJJ. BJJ only makes you better on the ground, which is ok for competition but not for self defense. Horrible if there is more than one attacker. Boxing is good to teach you how to take a hit and keep your wits. For common sense stuff, I tend to adhere to stuff that Marc "The Animal" MacYoung side of things.

[guailo]

Agree with you there jellyshots that boxing is a good foundation skill. One learns to give and take hits. I would add kick boxing to learn to use kicks as well. BJJ or ju-jitsu or wrestling is a good addition - street fights can end up on the ground. But you are a fool if you wrestle a guy only to have another four kicking your ass at the same time.

[uber]

Generally speaking, you want to avoid going to ground, because at that point, it's no longer self-defence - it's assault. Whenever possible, you want to get out of the situation as quickly as possible, because you're going to have a hard time explaining to a judge that you were just trying to defend yourself when Bob the Drunk Guy pushed you and you exploded his fucking elbow.

Yes, knowing what to do when the fight goes to ground is good, but having that knowledge will also make it more likely that you'll be tempted to take a fight to the ground when a situation does arise - and it's very easy to argue that if you knew how to fight on the ground, you also knew how to get out of a grapple better than others. You need to be careful, because it's a shitload easier to break someone's body while grappling than when striking.

[wilisno]

Generally speaking, you want to avoid going to ground, because at that point, it's no longer self-defence - it's assault. Whenever possible, you want to get out of the situation as quickly as possible, because you're going to have a hard time explaining to a judge that you were just trying to defend yourself when Bob the Drunk Guy pushed you and you exploded his fucking elbow.



Yep, I think you're right. You have to know how to do it to break somebody's arm and you have to execute it deliberately, so it's assault, not self defence !

[jellyshots]

Yep, I think you're right. You have to know how to do it to break somebody's arm and you have to execute it deliberately, so it's assault, not self defence !

You have to train a lot to learn the control necessary. It is the same issue with striking and kicking arts. Breaking someone's jaw is assault so purely from a self defense standpoint, arm locks from traditional jujutsu are handy or hapkido if you want the Korean interpretation of Aikijujutsu. This is why our cops learn arm bars as part of basic training. Krav Maga and kickboxing are more militant where they don't really care about assaulting someone - in war, that's their job.

[dannyboy]

Nothing against Wing Chun its a great style but you put a Wing Chin guy against a Muay Thai guy on the street and the Wing Chun guy would be KO'd within seconds, Muay Thai is just a much more brutal real world martial art, alot of martial arts look good when they practice but they don't train for real fights like Muay Thai and BJJ guys do, look at the UFC and who dominates, real world martial arts dominate..

[uber]

I would hesitate to say that any martial art that isn't taught as part of a military combatives system trains for "real world fights."

Yes, Muay Thai is a very good striking art - until the other fucker shows up with a knife.
Yes, BJJ is a very good grappling system - until the other fucker shows up with a knife.
Yes, Wing Chun is a very good... you see the pattern.
Nobody shows up to a UFC fight with a knife, or a broken bottle, or a lead pipe, or a brain melted to hyper-aggressive slush with drugs, or any number of all the other things you might conceivably encounter in a "real" fight. Don't even compare it to a "real" fight, because the people who would actually, willingly, fight you on the street generally won't bother putting on gloves and stepping into an octagon before trying to wreck you.

"Real world fights" are best avoided, because no matter what system you've studied, the vast majority of people will have no defence against a meth head with a broken bottle, because nobody spars like this. Even if you do, it won't help that the majority of defences prescribed against such attacks, in any recorded system between the Renaissance (Fiore, Silver, Ringeck, etc) and the modern period (Defendu, Krav Maga, Sambo, etc) involve breaking some poor fucker's arm and stabbing them in the throat with their own weapon. Escalation is never your friend, because once a fight gets that serious - and you can never predict when it will or won't happen - it's pretty fucking difficult to stop it without any or all of the participants on assault charges.

tl;dr: Don't judge martial arts by their "real world" applications, because real world applications usually involve doing shit that you could probably never stomach doing to another person, even if the law would let you get away with it.

[dannyboy]

Jiu Jitsu is not just a grappling art, in most BJJ schools there main focus is on grappling, but Jiu Jitsu does have self defense aspects you mentioned above its just that most schools don't emphasis it, you have to remember BJJ comes from Japan originally and Mitsuyo Maeda taught the deadly art form to the Gracie's. Gracie Jiu Jtsu does teach knife defense multiple attackers and everything you have mentioned above, its just most schools choose not to focus on that, they are more focused on sport grappling, Jiu Jitsu was the art form of the Samurai its a very brutal and deadly self defense system, don't kid your self with Wing Chun is more well rounded, what happens to Wing Chun guys when they get put on there back on the street??? goodnight irene..

[jellyshots]

Jiu Jitsu is not just a grappling art, in most BJJ schools there main focus is on grappling, but Jiu Jitsu does have self defense aspects you mentioned above its just that most schools don't emphasis it, you have to remember BJJ comes from Japan originally and Mitsuyo Maeda taught the deadly art form to the Gracie's. Gracie Jiu Jtsu does teach knife defense multiple attackers and everything you have mentioned above, its just most schools choose not to focus on that, they are more focused on sport grappling, Jiu Jitsu was the art form of the Samurai its a very brutal and deadly self defense system, don't kid your self with Wing Chun is more well rounded, what happens to Wing Chun guys when they get put on there back on the street??? goodnight irene..

Like I originally suggested, traditional Japanese jujutsu. You will learn a curriculum which is well rounded. It will take longer to be proficient but it is definitely worth it.

[dannyboy]

True but the problem with Japanese Ju Jitsu is there ground game, compared to BJJ and Judo they are a much lower level,not all but mostly, if you could do both you would be very well rounded fighter, Mitsuyo Maeda was a ground fighting specialist and thus why the Gracies are so good at it.

[jellyshots]

True but the problem with Japanese Ju Jitsu is there ground game, compared to BJJ and Judo they are a much lower level,not all but mostly, if you could do both you would be very well rounded fighter, Mitsuyo Maeda was a ground fighting specialist and thus why the Gracies are so good at it.

You're comparing modern jujutsu to BJJ. In traditional jujutsu you typically do judo until shodan then you can train jujutsu. If people wonder how effective traditional forms are against the BJJ system, remember that one if the founders Helio has a lot of respect for Kimura who used traditional judo and jujutsu to consistently beat him.

[dannyboy]

Kimura was a Judoka, Matsuyo Maeda was sent to Brazil to teach Judo/Jiu Jitsu by Jigoro Kano the founder of modern Judo, at that time in the founding stages of Judo there was no distinction between the terminology Judo and Jujutsu as there were many forms of Jujutsu.. Judo is a modern form of Jujutsu, Kimura was a Judoka not a traditional jujutsu stylist..
Maeda taught Judo to the Gracies, he was a Judoka with extremely good ground fighting, thus Gracies Jiu Jitsu was developed..

[Steven Seagal]

I am an Aikido master.

[jellyshots]

Kimura was a Judoka, Matsuyo Maeda was sent to Brazil to teach Judo/Jiu Jitsu by Jigoro Kano the founder of modern Judo, at that time in the founding stages of Judo there was no distinction between the terminology Judo and Jujutsu as there were many forms of Jujutsu.. Judo is a modern form of Jujutsu, Kimura was a Judoka not a traditional jujutsu stylist..
Maeda taught Judo to the Gracies, he was a Judoka with extremely good ground fighting, thus Gracies Jiu Jitsu was developed..

Judoka usually get famous for their tournament prowess - it's one way you get ranked. In Japan, it is common to start learning a koryu school if you have access to one through your family's lineage. Kimura certainly did. Kano formed judo from a few koryu jujutsu schools. There are about 85 waza in judo but closer to 300 in jujutsu. BJJ would have taken the 85 and refined them to an interpretation of the original forms and later added their own variations.

In practice, I train with a lot of people in security so when they take someone down, often they get 3 or 4 guys to do crowd control and one of them takes one guy to the ground. On the flip side, they have lots of stories about being jumped by 2-3 guys and having to cop it until their detail arrived. Compared to the guys that do jujutsu, and I happened to be one of them through uni, and we were able to use joint locks on a guy and use him as a shield for the other one. Very commonly taught and sparred.

I don't really want to compare judo and jujutsu because I do both and love both but some of the techniques we do in jujutsu are illegal in judo and therefore illegal in BJJ.

[jellyshots]

Anyway, not really a big deal. Like ML's and WL's, different people are attracted to different things. There are positives and negatives about all styles. Doing some sort of physical activity is a lot better than doing none. And that includes punting. To cum a day keeps the doctor away :D

[dannyboy]

When it comes to BJJ and the self defense aspects it all come to too who you train with, some schools teach street defense most don't..
In regards to physical activity you are spot on, "a body in motion stays in motion".

[8inches]

Lyoto Machida vs Dan Henderson yesterday
anybody watch?

[wilisno]

Lyoto Machida vs Dan Henderson yesterday
anybody watch?

Machida on points, not an exciting fight !

[8inches]

Not exciting at times even boring, but his trip of hendo (R1) evasive footwork and speed got him over the line.
Not many fighters that stand toe to toe with Henderson walk away victorious.

[wilisno]

Machida is not usually exciting in MMA sense, but he produces results !

[jellyshots]

I preferred the Ronda Rousey vs Liz Carmouche fight.

[jellyshots]

Just bandaged up a woman who had rolled her ankle in the carpark of the shopping centre. Reminds me - if you are thinking of studying a martial art, make sure the instructor has a current Senior First Aid certificate or a current Applied First Aid card as a minimum. They should have one, otherwise it is unsafe for them to be teaching.

[8inches]

I preferred the Ronda Rousey vs Liz Carmouche fight.

I agree
Those girls went at it and left nothing to the judges, action packed with both girls looking for ko or sub.