How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

[AHLUNGOR]

How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

Just an observation really:

Tokyo Model Company x 14

45 George x 6

533 Willoughby x 5

5 Star x 3

Ginza x 3

Tarenpoint 64 x 3

316 Central x 1

Newtown x 1

Rydalmere 22 x 1

Snow Lotus x 1

Stanmore x 1

QVB x 1

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your top 40!

Cheers

:cool2:

[ilovefs]

You've got too much time on your hands! :)

Shouldn't you be balls deep in asian pussy?

[AHLUNGOR]

You've got too much time on your hands! :)

Shouldn't you be balls deep in asian pussy?


Well, I had my weekly session at QVB on Monday, so yes, I already had my big tits and bare Asian pussy moment of the week !

I actually would have wanted to see the Posha girl again today, but no more money for the next punt, unless Queensland wins tonight, there will be no more massage this week ................lol

Go Queenslander !!

:shout:

[Escort]

How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

Just an observation really:

Tokyo Model Company x 14

45 George x 6

533 Willoughby x 5

5 Star x 3

Ginza x 3

Tarenpoint 64 x 3

316 Central x 1

Newtown x 1

Rydalmere 22 x 1

Snow Lotus x 1

Stanmore x 1

QVB x 1

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your top 40!

Cheers

:cool2:

Or it would be replaced by MOC X 10 anytime.

[loverboy]

Some managers are just more aggressive at pushing up their reviews up, oh well still better than fake reports, and non stop spam from sunshine~~~

[Max Impact]

How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

Just an observation really:

Tokyo Model Company x 14

45 George x 6

533 Willoughby x 5

5 Star x 3

Ginza x 3

Tarenpoint 64 x 3

316 Central x 1

Newtown x 1

Rydalmere 22 x 1

Snow Lotus x 1

Stanmore x 1

QVB x 1

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your top 40!

Cheers

:cool2:

Yeh, wait till Duncan Wakes up kkkkk!

[Oneonone]

Why don't they have a section for the shops to do their post and leave the after reports section for punters? 40 post and 32 of them by shops sometimes even more!

[IamSam]

You've got too much time on your hands! :)

Shouldn't you be balls deep in asian pussy?

way too much time

[igloo]

How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

Just an observation really:

Tokyo Model Company x 14

45 George x 6

533 Willoughby x 5

5 Star x 3

Ginza x 3

Tarenpoint 64 x 3

316 Central x 1

Newtown x 1

Rydalmere 22 x 1

Snow Lotus x 1

Stanmore x 1

QVB x 1

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your top 40!

Cheers

:cool2:

It actually makes sense to me, it all comes down to relevance and context: using bro AL's numbers
TMC with 14 is equivalent to
45 George, 533 Willoughby, and either (5 star, ginza or Taren point 64) COMBINED.
I am sure shop turnover and punter reviews reflect this.

[CunningLinguist]

Why don't they have a section for the shops to do their post and leave the after reports section for punters? 40 post and 32 of them by shops sometimes even more!

There is a roster section ...

[Punter Poontang]

Why don't they have a section for the shops to do their post and leave the after reports section for punters? 40 post and 32 of them by shops sometimes even more!

Yeah it's annoying, but at the same time the advertisers pay in order to keep the forum free and accessible to the rest of us.

I just don't bother clicking on threads where the last poster is the shop themselves, saves time seeing the same thing bumped on a daily basis.

[wilisno]

You've got too much time on your hands! :)

Shouldn't you be balls deep in asian pussy?
Exactly the sentiment to Ahlungor, I thought he should know better being a God Member !

In case someone doesn't know yet, there's a " Prefix " function on the top of General Talk and After Report sections. If you don't want to see advertisements in General Talk, choose General Talk and click " Show Thread ", not shop girls or anything else, so you won't see any advertisement ! In After Report, just choose the prefix of your shop and click on " Show Thread ", then all you see are reports of your favourite shops !

[wilisno]

Why don't they have a section for the shops to do their post and leave the after reports section for punters? 40 post and 32 of them by shops sometimes even more!
Read my post above !

[IamSam]

Exactly the sentiment to Ahlungor, I thought he should know better being a God Member !
being a God member has nothing to do with knowing better as the OP of this thread is also known for bumping up threads and spamming the forum with rosters and hyped up biased reviews.

ENOUGH SAID!

[wilisno]

being a God member has nothing to do with knowing better as the OP of this thread is also known for bumping up threads and spamming the forum with rosters and hyped up biased reviews.

ENOUGH SAID!
Probably more so than any shop owners too !

[CunningLinguist]

Exactly the sentiment to Ahlungor, I thought he should know better being a God Member !

In case someone doesn't know yet, there's a " Prefix " function on the top of General Talk and After Report sections. If you don't want to see advertisements in General Talk, choose General Talk and click " Show Thread ", not shop girls or anything else, so you won't see any advertisement ! In After Report, just choose the prefix of your shop and click on " Show Thread ", then all you see are reports of your favourite shops !

Note that choosing "(no prefix)" for the prefix dropdown only means you will see threads that don't have a prefix, it does not mean you won't see bumps from shop owners on these no prefix threads, so it helps a little, but doesn't entirely solve the problem.

[wilisno]

Note that choosing "(no prefix)" for the prefix dropdown only means you will see threads that don't have a prefix, it does not mean you won't see bumps from shop owners on these no prefix threads, so it helps a little, but doesn't entirely solve the problem.
I said " choose General Talk " !

Then it will be General Talks only, no ads !

[chris1234]

I think the Admin should not allow shop owners to keep bumping up posts because it's becoming mostly annoying.
Some shop owners are doing it, then the other shop owners feel compelled to keep up and as a result the after report section has become advertisement section. I wanted to post a report this morning and when i saw whats happening i thought, what is the point? I am not gonna spend 30 minutes writing a report that noone will read because mister Yamada and the rest of the gang will send it to the second page within 5 minutes. I am sure many brothers don't write because of the same reasons.
This has to end before we stop using this section all together.

[Max Impact]

being a God member has nothing to do with knowing better as the OP of this thread is also known for bumping up threads and spamming the forum with rosters and hyped up biased reviews.

ENOUGH SAID!

Tell us what you know of the biased and hyped up reviews Bro!
Want to know so bad!!

[IamSam]

Seek and you shall find ;)


Tell us what you know of the biased and hyped up reviews Bro!
Want to know so bad!!

[wilisno]

@ chris1234 & sifu !

Obviously you guys haven't read what I've just said ! It's you who choose to read advertisements by shop owners, you don't have to see them if you follow my advice above !

[CunningLinguist]

I think the Admin should not allow shop owners to keep bumping up posts because it's becoming mostly annoying.
Some shop owners are doing it, then the other shop owners feel compelled to keep up and as a result the after report section has become advertisement section. I wanted to post a report this morning and when i saw whats happening i thought, what is the point? I am not gonna spend 30 minutes writing a report that noone will read because mister Yamada and the rest of the gang will send it to the second page within 5 minutes. I am sure many brothers don't write because of the same reasons.
This has to end before we stop using this section all together.

It is a shame that peoples ARs get pushed back due to shop bumps.
I can see that it could reduce the motivation for some people to write them in the first place.
What would the forum be without these ARs ...

[hoshimoony]

Sshhh, we could get banned if we start criticising advertisers! :P

Joke aside, this is precisely why I only posted the "Ultimate Index" for Ginza only, when I actually had 4 pretty much ready to go at the same time. The other shops already bump up dozens of ARs daily (some from like ages ago), and it didn't seem right for me to potentially contribute to the cause by giving them an easier tool to bump up several ARs of the same girl every time they are rostered to work. Imagine a whole page of the AR section covered with ARs from the same shop... They should realise that it's actually more of a turn off if I see the shop's name as the last poster on all of these threads every single time. One of the reasons why I like Ginza is because Wilson/Yuki puts the right information up regularly (rosters and girl descriptions) instead of spending that time digging up old reviews and burying newer ones from other shops.

Having said that, if the shops are willing to stop this practice and just bump up a single thread and leave the ARs alone to us punters, I'd be more than happy to do my part.

[chris1234]

@ chris1234 & sifu !

Obviously you guys haven't read what I've just said ! It's you who choose to read advertisements by shop owners, you don't have to see them if you follow my advice above !

Hi Wilisno, thank you for the advise. It's better than nothing, but yet defeats the purpose of variety of information if we filter everything out but our favourite shop. *Sigh*......

[wilisno]

Wilson i have read your advice and will adjust my settings. However i still stand by my point that shop owners shouldnt hijack the after reports section.
For example, last week i wrote a AR on Ice from 5*. They have now hijacked my post and use it to advertise when she's working.
I can understand why some ppl are less inclined to bother.
So, if you write a report, nobody's reading it because other shop owners bumps their ads and push your report to the next page, you feel upset for that practice. Now your report is being bumped to the top by shop owner so that more people can read it, you feel upset ???

[chris1234]

Having said that, if the shops are willing to stop this practice and just bump up a single thread and leave the ARs alone to us punters, I'd be more than happy to do my part.

Amen brother, I second that!

[hoshimoony]

Exactly the sentiment to Ahlungor, I thought he should know better being a God Member !

In case someone doesn't know yet, there's a " Prefix " function on the top of General Talk and After Report sections. If you don't want to see advertisements in General Talk, choose General Talk and click " Show Thread ", not shop girls or anything else, so you won't see any advertisement ! In After Report, just choose the prefix of your shop and click on " Show Thread ", then all you see are reports of your favourite shops !

Is there a way to do this from the mobile version? I tend to use it more because I want to shut off banners and other kinds of ads...

[wilisno]

Hi Wilisno, thank you for the advise. It's better than nothing, but yet defeats the purpose of variety of information if we filter everything out but our favourite shop. *Sigh*......
Ha ! So what do you want ? You want to read everything that comes along or you don't ???

[chris1234]

Ha ! So what do you want ? You want to read everything that comes along or you don't ???

Umm....i want to read a variety of actual reviews without spam?

[wilisno]

Is there a way to do this from the mobile version? I tend to use it more because I want to shut off banners and other kinds of ads...
I don't know how to do it, but I suppose you can do it in the full version on your mobile phone then change it back to mobile version !

[wilisno]

Umm....i want to read a variety of actual reviews without spam?
So filter them one at a time !

Don't forget you're on a public forum, you don't control other people's habbit of posting, especially shop owners who pay for this forum to exist.

[chris1234]

Hey, here is an idea: Have you noticed in the roster section the shops write in brackets: (Please do not reply)

How about we write in the title of our reviews: (Shop owner please do not hijack this) :miao::miao:

[wilisno]

Hey, here is an idea: Have you noticed in the roster section the shops write in brackets: (Please do not reply)

How about we write in the title of our reviews: (Shop owner please do not hijack this) :miao::miao:
Do it and your post will disappear ! ;)

[Travelmate]

How the 40 threads on the front page of After Report have been occupied right now !!

Just an observation really:

Tokyo Model Company x 14

45 George x 6

533 Willoughby x 5

5 Star x 3

Ginza x 3

Tarenpoint 64 x 3

316 Central x 1

Newtown x 1

Rydalmere 22 x 1

Snow Lotus x 1

Stanmore x 1

QVB x 1

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your top 40!

Cheers

:cool2:

Hi Ahlungor, so what do you want to advise us??

Key message I have taken is: The shop owner or manager had more time to spend on these activities than most of us brothers here solely because they need to make a living on this business.

This is the nature and reality no matter you (we) like or not.

I am okay with this. You can choose not to read but you can not choose and change the ranking of the thread .....(hahaha)

[hoshimoony]

I don't know how to do it, but I suppose you can do it in the full version on your mobile phone then change it back to mobile version !

Haha yeah thought that would be the only way. Nah that would just defeat the purpose of having it in the mobile version in the first place, I guess I just have to live with it then :P

[wilisno]

Hey, here is an idea: Have you noticed in the roster section the shops write in brackets: (Please do not reply)

How about we write in the title of our reviews: (Shop owner please do not hijack this) :miao::miao:
Think of it this way, you know the content of the post, so you don't want to read it again and again. What about those potential customers who haven't read it before, and those new members looking for information ? Without bringing them up, it defeats the meaning of advertising.

[wilisno]

Shops bumping up posts to let readers know if the reviewed girl is working that day.. But isn t that what the roster section is for?
Roster only shows the names of the girls. For those, especially new customers and new members, who need informations, reports are the only way to go.

Be fair guys ! Just because you don't want to read them, that doesn't mean nobody wants to read them !

[chris1234]

Brother wilisno, there are specific shop owners who do this all the time. It's called spam. The more they do that, and the more each shop owner tries to out-do eachother, the more boring the forum becomes, the less punters will post and the less people will be interested to read this section. Shop owners have enough sections to advertise their shops. We are in fact also advertising their shops with our reviews. Why would they rub into our faces the same thing over and over? I mean, come on. The after report has become a war between shops. If you can't see it, what can i say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[AHLUNGOR]

Hi Ahlungor, so what do you want to advise us??

Key message I have taken is: The shop owner or manager had more time to spend on these activities than most of us brothers here solely because they need to make a living on this business.

This is the nature and reality no matter you (we) like or not.

I am okay with this. You can choose not to read but you can not choose and change the ranking of the thread .....(hahaha)

Well, I always know this kind of topic will generate a lot of interest and debate, so I got nothing better to do but stir things up.......lol, nah, only joking !

It really is, as I said, just an observation, and it was inspired by TMC's 14 posts !!

Look, we all know how important advertisers are to the on going success/survival/sustainability of the forum, without the advertisers, there ain't no forum !!

So to a certain extend, we need to accept the advertisers have a right to promote their shops and their girls.

Now, people may say there is a roster section, why don't we restrict the shop owners to post their stuff in the roster section only.

The problem is, unless you actually want to know who's working in which shop and on what day, you won't even go into the roster section. And if you do, you are already a customer, so the target readers are not those who wants to check the roster, it's on to you guys who are just lurking and browsing !!

Every member and guest want to read the AR and GT, so the shop owners want to have as much presence as possible .

And in the case of TMC, MOC , Ginza, tp64, 533 etc. to bring up the review threads on their girls working today will be the best way to promote and generate interest to the potential punters, same way I bring up Mimi, Jojo, Yoyo and Eva etc

I don't have a solution for this issue, I used to restrict myself to just one thread for each one of my friends shop like Snow Lotus, Silver Fox and Stanmore, and since they are paying customers to the forum, I was just simply helping them exercising their rights.

Then I realised that everyone else is bringing up multiple threads to occupy more space on the front page then I thought, why not, seems like a good idea to gain more exposures!!

Rest assured, you won't be seeing me posting more than 4 threads for each of my friendly Massage shops as they only have 4 girls on each day.......lol, so there won't be 14 threads from Ahlungor on page one for Stanmore or Snow Lotus that's for sure!

So, after all the debates , we are back to square one!

I am not smart enough to work out and recommend a workable solution to this issue, Do You ??

How do they do it in the other websites and forums suck as hooker lookers, punters planet and auxxxxreview ??

Anyone knows ???

Cheers

[Punter Poontang]

How do they do it in the other websites and forums suck as hooker lookers, punters planet and auxxxxreview ??

Anyone knows ???

Cheers

Ultimately it's up to the Admins here to decide how they want to run the site, hopefully they can do that by balancing advertisers needs with the feedback of us users posted here. As for other sites, I'm only a member of HL and PP (same username).

Haven't been on HL in ages for a variety of reasons, but rosters really weren't regularly posted by shops there. The forum has a different setup in that each shop has it's own "folder" you can go to without filtering, and within that was a "sticky" thread for rosters .... so shop input is largely confined to one thread, but as I said hardly any of their advertisers bothered to use it anyways. Quality and authenticity of reviews is also debatable.

Imo, PP caters to a totally different end of the market, mainly Private WL's and Agencies who are the main advertisers. There's a section for shop reviews too, which are usually very detailed due to their excellent templates, but I can't think of a single Sydney shop who's a paid-up advertiser there. So, zero input from the shops, and zero interference in the quality of their content.

No idea about the third one, only knew it existed from Sextus' exploits with Lily & Ayumi being linked via satellite to here. :-)

[AHLUNGOR]

Ultimately it's up to the Admins here to decide how they want to run the site, hopefully they can do that by balancing advertisers needs with the feedback of us users posted here. As for other sites, I'm only a member of HL and PP (same username).

Haven't been on HL in ages for a variety of reasons, but rosters really weren't regularly posted by shops there. The forum has a different setup in that each shop has it's own "folder" you can go to without filtering, and within that was a "sticky" thread for rosters .... so shop input is largely confined to one thread, but as I said hardly any of their advertisers bothered to use it anyways. Quality and authenticity of reviews is also debatable.

Imo, PP caters to a totally different end of the market, mainly Private WL's and Agencies who are the main advertisers. There's a section for shop reviews too, which are usually very detailed due to their excellent templates, but I can't think of a single Sydney shop who's a paid-up advertiser there. So, zero input from the shops, and zero interference in the quality of their content.

No idea about the third one, only knew it existed from Sextus' exploits with Lily & Ayumi being linked via satellite to here. :-)

Haha, brother Poontang I think you just gave me a great idea, I think I have a solution to the problem:

Each paying advertiser should be given their own directory!!

Just imagine this:

All of current threads from TMC, MOC, 5 star, Ginza , tp64, 22 Brodie, 45 George etc etc will be grouped into the same folder, so if the forum has 100 paying customers, there will be 100 directories plus one for others - for example the odd one non-paying advertisers such as Newtown, Bondi junction etc. or they can set up one for FS, one for RnT and one for outcalls .

The ranking or the position for each directory will depend on the most recent post within that directory , so as soon as Yamada post something, the TMC directory will go on top, until Duncan and Wilson or Roger goes to work !

If any brother posted a Ginza review inside the 5 star directory , admin will move that back to the right place.

This way, the forum front page for the AR will be a lot neater, you won't see 14 threads from TMC and 10 from Bluemoon any more, and the shop owner can do whatever bloody hell they want inside their own directory .

Punters and members and guests can go into the directory of the shops they are interested, and all the owners and managers and friends can continue to work hard to make sure your respective shop stay on page one !!

This is it, lets do it man ! and tidy up the forum, what do you guys think??

Just my one cent inspired by brother PT !!

Cheers

[wilisno]

Brother wilisno, there are specific shop owners who do this all the time. It's called spam. The more they do that, and the more each shop owner tries to out-do eachother, the more boring the forum becomes, the less punters will post and the less people will be interested to read this section. Shop owners have enough sections to advertise their shops. We are in fact also advertising their shops with our reviews. Why would they rub into our faces the same thing over and over? I mean, come on. The after report has become a war between shops. If you can't see it, what can i say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Sigh ! You still haven't got it ??? If you don't want that to happen, use " Prefix ", as simple as that !!!

[wilisno]

Haha, brother Poontang I think you just gave me a great idea, I think I have a solution to the problem:

Each paying advertiser should be given their own directory!!

Just imagine this:

All of current threads from TMC, MOC, 5 star, Ginza , tp64, 22 Brodie, 45 George etc etc will be grouped into the same folder, so if the forum has 100 paying customers, there will be 100 directories plus one for others - for example the odd one non-paying advertisers such as Newtown, Bondi junction etc. or they can set up one for FS, one for RnT and one for outcalls .

The ranking or the position for each directory will depend on the most recent post within that directory , so as soon as Yamada post something, the TMC directory will go on top, until Duncan and Wilson or Roger goes to work !

If any brother posted a Ginza review inside the 5 star directory , admin will move that back to the right place.

This way, the forum front page for the AR will be a lot neater, you won't see 14 threads from TMC and 10 from Bluemoon any more, and the shop owner can do whatever bloody hell they want inside their own directory .

Punters and members and guests can go into the directory of the shops they are interested, and all the owners and managers and friends can continue to work hard to make sure your respective shop stay on page one !!

This is it, lets do it man ! and tidy up the forum, what do you guys think??

Just my one cent inspired by brother PT !!

Cheers
Sigh ! What solution is this ? In the end, just use prefix if you only want to read a particular shop, then change prefix for another shop, same trouble as opening up a shop directory then look for the girl you want to read about !

Secondly, to educate members to use " Prefix " is already such a hard task, to educate shop owners to post only in their directories is just as hard !

Thirdly, it defeats the meaning of advertising. Sometimes a punter just stumble on a review that triggers his imagination without deliberately looking for it, because it's pushed in front of his eyes ! All the rules are not helping their causes !

Use Prefix ! Use Prefix ! Use Prefix !

[World citizen]

A lot of people are complaining about posts from shop owners. Personally, i think this is like watching TV and then writing a letter to the TV network complaining about the existence of commercials. This is how site revenue is generated.

Also, yeh theres a small hardcore group of regulars who like to post threads about football, federal politics and their favorite sex positions etc. But I do suspect 90% of this site's customer base (the silent majority) scroll over that stuff and are far more interested in information from the shops themselves

[PhoBot]

A lot of people are complaining about posts from shop owners. Personally, i think this is like watching TV and then writing a letter to the TV network complaining about the existence of commercials. This is how site revenue is generated.

Also, yeh theres a small hardcore group of regulars who like to post threads about football, federal politics and their favorite sex positions etc. But I do suspect 90% of this site's customer base (the silent majority) scroll over that stuff and are far more interested in information from the shops themselves

This is a terrible analogy because it is WE the punter who generates the content and then the shops hijack it.
There is one shop who bumps threads so repeatedly there is one single AR with 10!!! pages of bumps.

I'm currently considering if I actually want to post ARs here any more.

[wilisno]

This is a terrible analogy because it is WE the punter who generates the content and then the shops hijack it.
There is one shop who bumps threads so repeatedly there is one single AR with 10!!! pages of bumps.

I'm currently considering if I actually want to post ARs here any more.
It's been like this since the day you joined !

[Gucci2012]

Just an observation but if this thread is about shop owners bumping up threads.....Ginza's name shouldn't even been mentioned.... when is the last time you saw Ginza bump up an AR.....the answer is never. Unless someone can prove me wrong...... highly unlikely though.

[CunningLinguist]

Just an observation but if this thread is about shop owners bumping up threads.....Ginza's name shouldn't even been mentioned.... when is the last time you saw Ginza bump up an AR.....the answer is never. Unless someone can prove me wrong...... highly unlikely though.

I think Ginza is one of the best behaved shops on the forum.
They have a comprehensive roster and description and don't bump.
Basically if you have too many choices and don't know what to do, go with Ginza!
Wouldn't it be nice if all the shops were like Ginza ...
Disclaimer: No I don't have any arrangement with them.

[World citizen]

User generated content makes zero revenue for this site in the absence of paid advertising

Perhaps a better example is youtube - content is user generated but the site makes money through the sale of advertising space


This is a terrible analogy because it is WE the punter who generates the content and then the shops hijack it.
There is one shop who bumps threads so repeatedly there is one single AR with 10!!! pages of bumps.

I'm currently considering if I actually want to post ARs here any more.

[AHLUNGOR]

Use Prefix ! Use Prefix ! Use Prefix !

Haha, Brother Wil,

I tried the Prefix and I like it !!

And it works exactly as I have pictured with giving each shop a separate directory, same effect, I'm happy with what I see.

So Yes, I will second to that - Use Prefix !!

BTW, can the Admin please give Snow Lotus a Prefix now - rather than staying as a "Others"

Cheers

:smile:

[PhoBot]

User generated content makes zero revenue for this site in the absence of paid advertising

Perhaps a better example is youtube - content is user generated but the site makes money through the sale of advertising space

And without user content (reviews), this site is what, some gaudy pink banners with elliptic fit causing flashing banners that looked like they were made on a Commodore 64 :)
IMHO Willoughby 533 has been doing it right, posting links to reviews in their roster, nice photos. I do hope they stop bumping AR's tho.

If the admin doesn't realise eventually the way it's going, spam will outnumber content people will stop reading then it's all gone/

[Punter Poontang]

I think Ginza is one of the best behaved shops on the forum.
They have a comprehensive roster and description and don't bump.
Basically if you have too many choices and don't know what to do, go with Ginza!
Wouldn't it be nice if all the shops were like Ginza ...
Disclaimer: No I don't have any arrangement with them.

They're too busy answering the phones and shuffling all those punters into waiting rooms to be on here "marketing".

Note to other shops, maybe they're doing something else right?? :-P

[wilisno]

Judging from the feedback in this thread, I highly doubt it lol.
Doubting what ? Nobody wants to read them ? Like you ?

If that's what you think, you're very wrong, just count how many responses here on this thread and how many hit counts on those threads, then you'll see the difference !

[wilisno]

And without user content (reviews), this site is what, some gaudy pink banners with elliptic fit causing flashing banners that looked like they were made on a Commodore 64 :)
IMHO Willoughby 533 has been doing it right, posting links to reviews in their roster, nice photos. I do hope they stop bumping AR's tho.

If the admin doesn't realise eventually the way it's going, spam will outnumber content people will stop reading then it's all gone/
You've been saying this for the last 2-3 years, this forum has grown tremendously since your first comment !

[Gucci2012]

Commodore 64 lol classic machine

[hoshimoony]

Here's my solution after thinking about this for a while. Instead of using the prefix, you can just sort threads by the "Thread Start Time" (next to where you select Prefix), and in settings make sure you automatically subscribe to threads where you have commented. That way you can see which threads are definitely new, and you can still keep track of threads you're interested in by clicking on "Settings" on the top to see all of your subscribed threads with new posts. If you want to follow a thread but you don't want to comment, all you do is just manually subscribe to those too. If advertisers start bumping up any of your subscribed threads every single day after a while, all you got to do is unsubscribe from them. Problem solved!

[wilisno]

Here's my solution after thinking about this for a while. Instead of using the prefix, you can just sort threads by the "Thread Start Time" (next to where you select Prefix), and in settings make sure you automatically subscribe to threads where you have commented. That way you can see which threads are definitely new, and you can still keep track of threads you're interested in by clicking on "Settings" on the top to see all of your subscribed threads with new posts. If you want to follow a thread but you don't want to comment, all you do is just manually subscribe to those too. If advertisers start bumping up any of your subscribed threads every single day after a while, all you got to do is unsubscribe from them. Problem solved!
Good advice but too complicated for some !

[rooter]

Thank god (or bill gates) for the scroll button!

[BlueBirdDuke]

Funny, I was just thinking today that 533, TP64 and Ginza should expand ad infinitum. With the kind of value-for-money they provide, they won't stop being viable. Eventually, they'd have to list in the ASX.:cool2:

[wilisno]

Maybe we can do a poll asking members : "Should shop owners be allowed to bump old reports to the first page?"

Then see how very wrong I was?

Anyone care to volunteer? Hehe
Your idea of a poll is so futile it makes me laugh, because it won't prove anything !

Unless it's a compulsory poll, those that are silent now will remain silent and will not vote. So the best way to find out is as I've told you, count how many responses you've found on this thread, and have a look at the number of views of any bumped threads, the difference could be hundreds of times, and that how very wrong you are !

And it amazes me that you still think you can have a say in whether shop owners are allowed to advertise, hehe !

[Gucci2012]

I think Ginza is one of the best behaved shops on the forum.
They have a comprehensive roster and description and don't bump.
Basically if you have too many choices and don't know what to do, go with Ginza!
Wouldn't it be nice if all the shops were like Ginza ...
Disclaimer: No I don't have any arrangement with them.

No need to bump AR's or chase customers when they have huge return customer base, and even banned customers who go through the effort of getting new sim cards to hide their identity because their old number is black listed.....

[the wizard]

They're too busy answering the phones and shuffling all those punters into waiting rooms to be on here "marketing".

Note to other shops, maybe they're doing something else right?? :-P
Even though Wilson is busy- he answers my texts normally with in a minute- some times in 10 secs.
I agree other shops should learn from Ginza..

[AHLUNGOR]

Use prefix!

Use prefix !

Use prefix. !

Have an open mind !!

Cheers

[PhoBot]

Your idea of a poll is so futile it makes me laugh, because it won't prove anything !

Unless it's a compulsory poll, those that are silent now will remain silent and will not vote. So the best way to find out is as I've told you, count how many responses you've found on this thread, and have a look at the number of views of any bumped threads, the difference could be hundreds of times, and that how very wrong you are !

And it amazes me that you still think you can have a say in whether shop owners are allowed to advertise, hehe !

I don't think anybody is suggesting shops shouldn't advertise, but it's pretty obvious people are annoyed with the way they are doing it.

[IamSam]

Seems like he has the winning formula.
No need for bumping threads, or creating nonsense threads.


Even though Wilson is busy- he answers my texts normally with in a minute- some times in 10 secs.
I agree other shops should learn from Ginza..

[AHLUNGOR]

Even though Wilson is busy- he answers my texts normally with in a minute- some times in 10 secs.
I agree other shops should learn from Ginza..

May be the current observation has the answer:

There are currently 10 threads on page 1 of AR from TMC, 9 are from Yamada San and 1 from Rooter!!

At the same time , on top of page 1 there are 9 threads from Ginza, and the last posters were 9 different members!

Food for thought !!

Cheers

[PhoBot]

I disagree. In my opinion the the best way to find out what the forum members want or don't want is simple: ask them.

The opinions of the silent members are not any more or less valid than oyhers, and by the way they include people are both for AND against spamming.

And finally, no one in this thread have anything against shop owners advertising here, it's how they do it.

At this point, they are borderline spamming the forum, and that s a big difference when you consider that they ve got sections already dedicated to place their banners, rosters, girls, etc..

So to me, one side is saying that they should use the avenues mentioned above, and one side (or maybe one person) is saying that the readers must take the time and effort to specifically filter out to see what they want to see and shops can do whatever they want and no one here can say anything about it.

Borderline spamming? Check out G-Pip thread. 108 replies, 100 of which are from Yamada.

If I was Yamada, I'd have one thread with links to the AR's of all active girls and bump that one 3 times a day.

[CunningLinguist]

May be the current observation has the answer:

There are currently 10 threads on page 1 of AR from TMC, 9 are from Yamada San and 1 from Rooter!!

At the same time , on top of page 1 there are 9 threads from Ginza, and the last posters were 9 different members!

Food for thought !!

Cheers

Those stats make quite a compelling case ...

[AHLUNGOR]

Borderline spamming? Check out G-Pip thread . 108 replies, 100 of which are from Yamada.

If I was Yamada, I'd have one thread with links to the AR's of all active girls and bump that one 3 times a day.

Well, it's a matter of whether there will be changes or No changes will be or can be made. And at the same time how do you balance the right of the paying advertisers to market and promote their shops vs the general discontent from the members.

If Nothing can be changed, I am happy to do the prefix thing and filter out all threads and only look at say 5 Star or Ginza or 45 George to see what's new?

But if changes can be made, I would stand by my earlier suggestion that every paying shop will have their own directory which contains all their threads and ARs.

This will be the most level playing field and its fair to all the paying advertisers who I believe are playing the same advertising cost. and this will help Admin to expand the Forum's push for bigger marketing share.

And the shops still have to constantly post new stuff to maintain their respective position among the directories! So the push game is still on, but instead of pushing 14 threads, you only need to push one because the directory or folder that contains the latest post, will go to the top!

Just my one cent

Cheers

[Beancounter]

I think Ahlungor's suggestion is the structure that auxxxreviews uses. Pros and cons of all structures but having seen that structure I prefer the structure here. Whilst the aucxxxreviews structure may reduce the number of bumped threads, dedicated threads on a particular WL is actually easier to follow. It's a matter of personal choice really.

[CunningLinguist]

Well, it's a matter of whether there will be changes or No changes will be or can be made. And at the same time how do you balance the right of the paying advertisers to market and promote their shops vs the general discontent from the members.

If Nothing can be changed, I am happy to do the prefix thing and filter out all threads and only look at say 5 Star or Ginza or 45 George to see what's new?

But if changes can be made, I would stand by my earlier suggestion that every paying shop will have their own directory which contains all their threads and ARs.

This will be the most level playing field and its fair to all the paying advertisers who I believe are playing the same advertising cost. and this will help Admin to expand the Forum's push for bigger marketing share.

And the shops still have to constantly post new stuff to maintain their respective position among the directories! So the push game is still on, but instead of pushing 14 threads, you only need to push one because the directory or folder that contains the latest post, will go to the top!

Just my one cent

Cheers

Good idea, this sounds similar if not the same as the AUXXX site (http://auxxxreviews.com/forum/forum.php)
They have an "Affiliates" section where all the presumably paid up shops post rosters and descriptions.
Then they have "General Reviews" section which is broken up into massage/escort/brothel and geographic location.
I have not noticed any shop posts in the "General Reviews" section.
They have about the same number of members and visitors as this forum per day.

[AHLUNGOR]

Good idea, this sounds similar if not the same as the AUXXX site (http://auxxxreviews.com/forum/forum.php)
They have an "Affiliates" section where all the presumably paid up shops post rosters and descriptions.
Then they have "General Reviews" section which is broken up into massage/escort/brothel and geographic location.
I have not noticed any shop posts in the "General Reviews" section.
They have about the same number of members and visitors as this forum per day.

Yeah, there are definitely pros and cons between the AUxxxx and us here at AUS99.

Personally and I think I can speak on behalf of most visitors to both sites, that AUS99 is totally user friendly, the only restriction they imposed on to visitors is the no access to Private Massage which is totally understandably, unlike AUxxxx where they either charge for membership fees or force to you post reviews in order to become a bronze member and even if you did post the two required reviews, you must use their review template which I absolutely hated.

That's why shame, shame, shame to me, eventhough I have been a registered user since August 2011 over there, I am still not a Bronze Member, I have no right to view other threads, I can't even view my own PM or look at my own profile !!

I think all the people and visitors should appreciate the freedom we all enjoy over here at AUS99 !!

What if they had a more open policy and treated their users better, may be I would have posted 10,000 times over there by now and still a Baby Member here, won't that be something !! Just saying it as I see it.

May be we should all be happy with what we have got here !!

Cheers

:smile:

[Beancounter]

I agree we have a good thing here. Though that shouldn't stop us from making suggestions to make it even better :)

[wilisno]

Well, it's a matter of whether there will be changes or No changes will be or can be made. And at the same time how do you balance the right of the paying advertisers to market and promote their shops vs the general discontent from the members.

If Nothing can be changed, I am happy to do the prefix thing and filter out all threads and only look at say 5 Star or Ginza or 45 George to see what's new?

But if changes can be made, I would stand by my earlier suggestion that every paying shop will have their own directory which contains all their threads and ARs.

Cheers
See how hard it is to educate people to use " prefix " ? Instead they prefer to complain no end !

Directories for shops is a bad idea, just look at Hookerlooker, the forum looks dead ! You should know it you've been there !

And go to PunterPlanet and post a report, see how many views you can get in a month. You'll be lucky to get over 300 !

I just found one of our member Brother Bracket posted a review of FeiFei from 5* on the 18 of June, 10 days ago, up until now he's got 111 views. A hot review here you can reach that in 2 hours !

[wilisno]

I don't think anybody is suggesting shops shouldn't advertise, but it's pretty obvious people are annoyed with the way they are doing it.
You don't have to be annoyed if you choose not to : USE PREFIX !

[World citizen]

I think some of the hardcore users of the site see this forum as their secret little clubhouse. They would like shop threads taken off the front page, so they can have the floor and chatter away amongst themselves without interruption!

But this is the view of a vocal minority. I suspect most users are more interested in information from the shop, rather than threads about football, or politcs, or what you would do if you saw an ML outside the shop.

At the end of the day the proof of this is in the pudding - membership of thia forum is thriving with the current structure and format!

[IamSam]

Good points that you raise.
The main reason for the forum views is shop info!
Not sports updates, whats on tv or nonsense threads about who is online at what time!!


I think some of the hardcore users of the site see this forum as their secret little clubhouse. They would like shop threads taken off the front page, so they can have the floor and chatter away amongst themselves without interruption!

But this is the view of a vocal minority. I suspect most users are more interested in information from the shop, rather than threads about football, or politcs, or what you would do if you saw an ML outside the shop.

At the end of the day the proof of this is in the pudding - membership of thia forum is thriving with the current structure and format!

[wilisno]

I think some of the hardcore users of the site see this forum as their secret little clubhouse. They would like shop threads taken off the front page, so they can have the floor and chatter away amongst themselves without interruption!

They can achieve this simply by using " Prefix ", click on " Prefix " then " General Talk " then " Show Threads ".

[IamSam]

If it aint broke then dont fix it !!

[Punter Poontang]

Even though Wilson is busy- he answers my texts normally with in a minute- some times in 10 secs.
I agree other shops should learn from Ginza..

While that's admirable, and there's another example of Wilson's great customer service posted elsewhere today, I was more getting at the attitude and consistent delivery of the girls. ;-)

I'm unashamedly becoming a fanboy of the place, imo their success can only make other shops lift their game in order to compete, then we all win!!

[hoshimoony]

Sorry to bring this thread up again, but I'm just going to say that the actions of two shops in particular have turned me off so much that they will never see me on their premises, even if they're really good. One of them was actually going in the right direction - vouchers to entice punters to write ARs to create a hype, but they've pretty much negated the effect by bumping each and every one of them every few hours. A few is forgivable, but not when it starts filling up the entire page... I wish the shops can be a bit more sensible, it just looks too desperate when they are excessive. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm actually more likely to read one of those threads if they're a bit more spaced out, not in blocks. Too bad it's their loss - I'm pretty loyal once I find something good, when I know something's genuine.

What we really need is a way to turn OFF certain prefixes, or multiple select option for prefixes...

[CunningLinguist]

Sorry to bring this thread up again, but I'm just going to say that the actions of two shops in particular have turned me off so much that they will never see me on their premises, even if they're really good. One of them was actually going in the right direction - vouchers to entice punters to write ARs to create a hype, but they've pretty much negated the effect by bumping each and every one of them every few hours. A few is forgivable, but not when it starts filling up the entire page... I wish the shops can be a bit more sensible, it just looks too desperate when they are excessive. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm actually more likely to read one of those threads if they're a bit more spaced out, not in blocks. Too bad it's their loss - I'm pretty loyal once I find something good, when I know something's genuine.

What we really need is a way to turn OFF certain prefixes, or multiple select option for prefixes...

I wonder if you are talking about 45 george ...
Cos if you aint you should :)
I am sick of their spam ...

[wilisno]

What we really need is a way to turn OFF certain prefixes, or multiple select option for prefixes...Umm... multiselect prefixes option is indeed a very good suggestion that Admin should look at !

[AHLUNGOR]

I wonder if you are talking about 45 george ...
Cos if you aint you should :)
I am sick of their spam ...

Unfortunately, it was a planned strategy by Roger right from the beginning! He specifically asked the punter to start a new thread for each girl every time, even if you are seeing the same girl the second time you are to start a new thread! So it was his intention to have all these individual new ARs to flood the front page and as he reply to thank the punter and confirm the voucher, the thread is refreshed again !

The guy is very smart, what can you do ??

Cheers

[wilisno]

Unfortunately, it was a planned strategy by Roger right from the beginning! He specifically asked the punter to start a new thread for each girl every time, even if you are seeing the same girl the second time you are to start a new thread! So it was his intention to have all these individual new ARs to flood the front page and as he reply to thank the punter and confirm the voucher, the thread is refreshed again !

The guy is very smart, what can you do ??

CheersTo encourage people to write reports is smart, but to annoy people by over bumping them is not smart at all as you should know well by now !

Roger should just bump one thread per girl at any one time, several times a day, not all 10 threads of the same girl at the same time, that would be annoying and receive the opposite effect !

[hoshimoony]

Unfortunately, it was a planned strategy by Roger right from the beginning! He specifically asked the punter to start a new thread for each girl every time, even if you are seeing the same girl the second time you are to start a new thread! So it was his intention to have all these individual new ARs to flood the front page and as he reply to thank the punter and confirm the voucher, the thread is refreshed again !

The guy is very smart, what can you do ??

Cheers


Well, new threads started by each punter, and the shop thanking them in return and confirming the voucher is ok. After all it's separate reviews by separate punters, that's legitimate.

It's when he keeps on bumping every one of them simultaneously every few hours - that's when it becomes annoying and look staged. It would actually do the shop a lot of good if he just leaves them alone, or at least space out the bumping. The reviews are going to keep coming as long as he keeps offering the vouchers and the girls are genuinely good, and if it doesn't have "45George" as the last poster in every one of them, that's when I might start reading them.

[hoshimoony]

To encourage people to write reports is smart, but to annoy people by over bumping them is not smart at all as you should know well by now !

Roger should just bump one thread per girl at any one time, several times a day, not all 10 threads of the same girl at the same time, that would be annoying and receive the opposite effect !

That's exactly what they should do, hope they're reading this and take it on board... I'll really respect them if they can take a criticism and put it into action.

[wilisno]

That's exactly what they should do, hope they're reading this and take it on board... I'll really respect them if they can take a criticism and put it into action.

Roger has always been a sensible person in taking on criticism and acted on it !

[AHLUNGOR]

To encourage people to write reports is smart, but to annoy people by over bumping them is not smart at all as you should know well by now !

Roger should just bump one thread per girl at any one time, several times a day, not all 10 threads of the same girl at the same time, that would be annoying and receive the opposite effect !

Exactly, but even if i only just do one each for SL, SF, Stanmore, QVB, 316 and thats not OK for some people !

5 threads for 5 different shops and people are still complaining mate!! And those same people say nothing about the 10/15 threads per 1 shop !

Just my five cents

Cheers

[wilisno]

Exactly, but even if i only just do one each for SL, SF, Stanmore, QVB, 316 and thats not OK for some people !

5 threads for 5 different shops and people are still complaining mate!! And those same people say nothing about the 10/15 threads per 1 shop !

Just my five cents

CheersOf course ! That is because you shouldn't be the one doing the bumping ! Leave it to the shop owners, the paying advertisers !

[hoshimoony]

Roger has always been a sensible person in taking on criticism and acted on it !

Well, hope he's smart enough to take this on board :)



Exactly, but even if i only just do one each for SL, SF, Stanmore, QVB, 316 and thats not OK for some people !

5 threads for 5 different shops and people are still complaining mate!! And those same people say nothing about the 10/15 threads per 1 shop !

Just my five cents

Cheers


I think what you're doing is fine, it's just certain people that are trolling you that is the problem in your case...

[hoshimoony]

Of course ! That is because you shouldn't be the one doing the bumping ! Leave it to the shop owners, the paying advertisers !


I would rather see actual punters do the bumping through meaningful comments! Shop owners should stay out of as much as possible if there are punters that are keeping it active...

[wilisno]

I would rather see actual punters do the bumping through meaningful comments! Shop owners should stay out of as much as possible if there are punters that are keeping it active...
Meaningful comments are always welcome, even cheeky ones are much liked too. Just keep it that way and he'll be fine !

Bumping for the sake of bumping or increase post count is a different thing !

[the wizard]

It getting quite clogged now with two players actively doing this...

[CunningLinguist]

Unfortunately, it was a planned strategy by Roger right from the beginning! He specifically asked the punter to start a new thread for each girl every time, even if you are seeing the same girl the second time you are to start a new thread! So it was his intention to have all these individual new ARs to flood the front page and as he reply to thank the punter and confirm the voucher, the thread is refreshed again !

The guy is very smart, what can you do ??

Cheers

I don't think it is smart.
Because there are so many bumped 45 george threads now I don't read any of them.

[Encd16f3]

I don't think it is smart.
Because there are so many bumped 45 george threads now I don't read any of them.

I am in the same camp.... Ignoring all the 45 George threads now...and also started to kill off my interest to see Bonny. TMC Yamada did that for a while but lots less now... I like it. Started reading the TMC AR again...oh Penne, oh saliva!

[hoshimoony]

Meaningful comments are always welcome, even cheeky ones are much liked too. Just keep it that way and he'll be fine !

Bumping for the sake of bumping or increase post count is a different thing !

True, 5 star's comments are sometimes fun, which I don't mind as long as they don't bump in blocks :)

I don't get why some people are so obsessed with increasing post counts...



It getting quite clogged now with two players actively doing this...

There's like 5 or 6 that are always doing this, but 2 of them are just plain excessive. Especially if they're all on the same girls. They're also probably making the others bump more than usual due to their excessiveness, it's like the prisoner's dilemma...

[45George]

hi bros,

thanks for advice about 45george

i have received ur comments about us

wish all have a nice weekend


for all after reports, pls see in our directory of all girls after report
thanks
roger

[hoshimoony]

hi bros,

thanks for advice about 45george

i have received ur comments about us

wish all have a nice weekend


for all after reports, pls see in our directory of all girls after report
thanks
roger


Roger, looks like bro wilisno wasn't wrong about you!
If you can keep it up, I'll definitely stop by when I'm in the area, if you're not too busy already that is :P

Hopefully the others are smart too and can follow suit!

[hoshimoony]

I am in the same camp.... Ignoring all the 45 George threads now...and also started to kill off my interest to see Bonny. TMC Yamada did that for a while but lots less now... I like it. Started reading the TMC AR again...oh Penne, oh saliva!


Don't think so, Mr yamada is officially offender number one right now. He's just bumped 8 ARs on 4 girls...

[Encd16f3]

Don't think so, Mr yamada is officially offender number one right now. He's just bumped 8 ARs on 4 girls...

you are right!

[rooter]

As I have said on other occasions this topic has come up, the shops will always continue to bump up their threads/ARs.
Its free advertising and so of course they will take advantage of it.
These bumped up threads are annoying to us regular forum users and ineffective too, as we just ignore them.
but we are not the target audience; they are aimed at the 100s of newbies and guests who log in every day and are seeing the post for the first time.

[CunningLinguist]

hi bros,

thanks for advice about 45george

i have received ur comments about us

wish all have a nice weekend


for all after reports, pls see in our directory of all girls after report
thanks
roger

Good one!
It takes a real man to accept criticism and respond constructively in a public forum!
It's also good for business!
Now if only some of the other shop owners could learn from this ...

[CunningLinguist]

As I have said on other occasions this topic has come up, the shops will always continue to bump up their threads/ARs.
Its free advertising and so of course they will take advantage of it.
These bumped up threads are annoying to us regular forum users and ineffective too, as we just ignore them.
but we are not the target audience; they are aimed at the 100s of newbies and guests who log in every day and are seeing the post for the first time.

There is no need to encourage them though ...
Ginza seems to be doing ok without resorting this ...

[bill_100]

Most of us agree that shops spamming is very annoying, like most of us, I never read their rubbish and will not visit them on principle. That is the best way to stop them.

As CL states good places like Ginza do not have to resort to this.

[Sextus]

These bumped up threads are annoying to us regular forum users and ineffective too, as we just ignore them.

But we are not the target audience; they are aimed at the 100s of newbies and guests who log in every day and are seeing the post for the first time.

Before the power of this truth all the wingeing and complaining of the chattering classes is just smoke in the wind. The chatter of we chattering classes gives us the illusion that we ARE the forum, but we aren't. At best we are a rudder that never knows quite what direction it is going in. This always ends up describing a circle, as many have observed!

I do wonder about the hundreds of casual viewers though, who still manage to take monk-like vows of silence before the provocation of all the comments we do make.

[MyOutCall Australia]

REASONS FOR BUMPING UP 5* THREADS

a) We do not have any other user names to BUMP our threads up

b) For all NEWBIES to read

c) 30% of our customers READ Ars but less than 1% writes

d) To make SYD99 more colourfull

e) To keep up with BROS...Sext...Cunning...Root...Hoshi... Tailow Lun... Bruce Willis

f) Last but not least... To Keep MOC Happy :miao:

PEACE BROS

You welcome. I am happy. :slobber:

[CunningLinguist]

If you take a look at the After report and General talk sections you will see that the threads with the most views are the ones about rosters and good review collections.
These are the most viewed by far, so bumping individual ARs is a waste of time, time that could be better spent organising the roster, training girls, and updating the roster and good review collections threads. Then the shops just need to bump these important threads and everyone will be happier: casual viewers, shop owners, and the unimportant regular forum contributors ...

Note also that for people just doing random web searches the bumps mean nothing.

[wilisno]

Hahaha ! Everybody thinks he's an expert ! Don't you think the shops know better whether the bumps generate more business or the other way round ? Otherwise why they keep doing it ! :miao:

[CunningLinguist]

Hahaha ! Everybody thinks he's an expert ! Don't you think the shops know better whether the bumps generate more business or the other way round ? Otherwise why they keep doing it ! :miao:

Re the expert comment: more true than you think ...

I am not so sure that the shops know this. I think there may be a school of thought that some blindly follow that says the more advertising you can generate the better no matter what, and that some just follow what others are doing without putting too much thought into it. However if you look at where the views are you will see that the roster and review collection threads are the ones that are most popular. So the smart shops will know they can better target their advertising if they do a bit of research. Eg. Ginza.

I think Ginza could easily serve as a case study in a marketing or business course. They are humble, have genuinely good services and girls, give good value. These attributes are noticed by people and this generates alot of goodwill to them and forum contributors give them free publicitly by doing ARs and commenting on how good they are in other ways, just like I am doing now, and no I don't have any arrangements with them.

[wilisno]

Re the expert comment: more true than you think ...

I am not so sure that the shops know this. I think there may be a school of thought that some blindly follow that says the more advertising you can generate the better no matter what, and that some just follow what others are doing without putting too much thought into it. However if you look at where the views are you will see that the roster and review collection threads are the ones that are most popular. So the smart shops will know they can better target their advertising if they do a bit of research. Eg. Ginza.

I think Ginza could easily serve as a case study in a marketing or business course. They are humble, have genuinely good services and girls, give good value. These attributes are noticed by people and this generates alot of goodwill to them and forum contributors give them free publicitly by doing ARs and commenting on how good they are in other ways, just like I am doing now, and no I don't have any arrangements with them.I'm talking about money, turnover, number of customers before and after the bumps, the facts, not theory or assumption, so the shops don't have to blindly follow any school of thoughts !

[CunningLinguist]

I'm talking about money, turnover, number of customers before and after the bumps, the facts, not theory or assumption, so the shops don't have to blindly follow any school of thoughts !

Do you know these details about the shops then ?

[wilisno]

Do you know these details about the shops then ?Not details, I'm not silly enough to ask for details of other's business. But I was told it's worth it !

[hoshimoony]

rooter's got a good point - we're not their primary target base for advertising and that's fair enough. But I really think they're chasing short term gains at the expense of long term gains - and if they just bump thoughtlessly, they would not be able to ever see this. It doesn't mean they know better. They might even end up in a cycle where if they don't bump, they can't draw in the new client base because the regulars on this forum don't want to read the reviews. Seriously, instead of alienating the people that regularly visit this forum, wouldn't it be better to win loyal supporters who will actually create content and keep the discussion going without the shop intervening every day? Like, if they win the regulars on this forum instead of the newbies, wouldn't they be more likely to get more ARs written, and the more there is, isn't that better for business in the end?

I'm not saying don't bump threads at all, I'm just saying there must be better ways than bumping multiple threads for every single girl that are working every single day, especially reviews that have been around for months. If shops really want to get the 99% that never writes ARs to write - I think what shops like 45 George and TP 64 does is a great way to get people to write ARs and keep things fresh - and promos like this will also a win new client base that will potentially end up as repeaters if the quality and value for money is really there. It's a win-win situation, really. It can win them a genuine loyal fan base like Ginza have been able to do - they've lured people like me through prices that were ridiculously low to their amazing girls, as well as good humble customer service, not through excessive advertising. And even now that the prices have increased, we still want more, and what's more we want to share our experiences. After all if the girls are good, and there is value for money, someone will surely write about them, and if there's a loyal fan base that keeps the discussion going, there'll be no need for shops to keep bumping.

[wilisno]

One thing you guys haven't considered is bumped threads are not targeting only on customers, they are targeting potential new recruits too ! When a girl wants to get a job in the industry, very likely she would browse through the forum to see which shop is busier and pays better, that's another reason why shops want to stay visible all the time !

[Punter Poontang]

One thing you guys haven't considered is bumped threads are not targeting only on customers, they are targeting potential new recruits too ! When a girl wants to get a job in the industry, very likely she would browse through the forum to see which shop is busier and pays better, that's another reason why shops want to stay visible all the time !

Someone better tell Dolly to start bumping the fuck outta his thread then. :-P

[wilisno]

Someone better tell Dolly to start bumping the fuck outta his thread then. :-PDolly doesn't have any reports to bump nor any track record to boast, so he has to resort to other means for now !

[AHLUNGOR]

Haha, after 4 pages and 126 posts, we are still where we started !!

Nothing is gonna to change if the shop owners don't want to come to the party!

I guess first and forth most everyone must acknowledge the importance of paying advertisers and their rights to market = bumping their threads onto the front page, preferably up the top which is the most prominent (try google!)

But I just have one question, would a maximum of five threads per shop or per paying customer be an acceptable amount of "Spams" that everyone can live with!

I think people are annoyed when they see 10,11,12,13,14,15 ....threads from the same shop on the front page and they were all refreshed by the shop owner so there were nothing new there.

BTW, if certain shops actually pay 3/4 times more money for their ads in the forum then I suppose they are entitled to post more, but if everyone pay the same fees, then it's a bit unfair that the few shops who bumped all the times occupied most of the first couple of pages, if these threads were posted by members. Then of course we don't have any issue with that!

Another question, and sorry if I put 45 George on the spot here, I don't mind seeing say Bonny's ? Reviews got bumped up regularly, I did that for Mimi all the times too, but do you need to bump 5 or 6 threads all for the same girl ??

I still don't have the answer, I'm just saying this -

May be Admin can put a small rule out to test the water:

Shop owners at any given time are Not allowed to post (bump) more than 3 (this could be 5, but I think 3 is a reasonable no. Considering we have so many advertisers now) threads from his/her shop on to the front page!

Then they will have to think or choose carefully which thread to be placed on to the front page, may be one with the roster plus two of their more popular girls who are working today. In the case of 5 Star, that probably will be their Lucky 14, plus one for the Penthouse and one other, that's pretty much what they are doing anyway!

Any excess threads , like the 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 or so on will be locked temporary until they drop out of the front page, Admin do this for a few weeks and everyone will be falling in line.

Everyone can still do what they are doing now, but the no. of threads will be vastly reduced (3 per shop).

All the threads from those dynamic shop owners will be still up front but it will be maximum three instead of 10 or 15!!

I think this can be done and a more level playing field !

If only Admin is willing to address the issue !!

Just my 3 cents!

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

13 from MOC right now in GT !

8 from TMC in AR !

[IamSam]

So its ok for you to bump threads and post rosters in general talk and after report sections?


13 from MOC right now in GT !

8 from TMC in AR !

[Eureka]

So its ok for you to bump threads and post rosters in general talk and after report sections?

You are not following what AhLungor said for some reason ...
Possibly your reaction is filtered by the pretty transparent animosity you continually convey in responding to his comments - not a good look in my opinion ..

What AhLungor said ... is that he does bump a roster .. and often a couple of times a day ..
But it is a single "bump" for that shop on that timeline !!!
He is referring to when MOC, TMC etc ... just bump 13 or so IN A ROW !!!
He has never bumped all the SL AR's for eg in one go !!!!
= totally different !! Get the point ???

MOC in GS and TMC in AR sectiom also bump many posts for girls that are not even rostered on that day !!! Or in some cases not even on for a week !!
So that is not info for who is available that day ... It is just general, shotgun advertising !!

My 3 cents

[IamSam]

The fish rots at the head first!


You are not following what AhLungor said for some reason ...
Possibly your reaction is filtered by the pretty transparent animosity you continually convey in responding to his comments - not a good look in my opinion ..

What AhLungor said ... is that he does bump a roster .. and often a couple of times a day ..
But it is a single "bump" for that shop on that timeline !!!
He is referring to when MOC, TMC etc ... just bump 13 or so IN A ROW !!!
He has never bumped all the SL AR's for eg in one go !!!!
= totally different !! Get the point ???

MOC in GS and TMC in AR sectiom also bump many posts for girls that are not even rostered on that day !!! Or in some cases not even on for a week !!
So that is not info for who is available that day ... It is just general, shotgun advertising !!

My 3 cents

[IamSam]

not a good look in my opinion ..

What AhLungor said ... is that he does bump a roster .. and often a couple of times a day ..
But it is a single "bump" for that shop on that timeline !!!
He is referring to when MOC, TMC etc ... just bump 13 or so IN A ROW !!!
He has never bumped all the SL AR's for eg in one go !!!!
= totally different !! Get the point ???

My 3 cents


One bump fits all!
Take it or leave it!
How the hell does 1 expect admin to enforce the rules he is breaking!??!?
Whether u understand it or not along with your opinion matter very little if not nothing!
Enough said!

[Eureka]

One bump fits all!
Take it or leave it!
How the hell does 1 expect admin to enforce the rules he is breaking!??!?
Whether u understand it or not along with your opinion matter very little if not nothing!
Enough said!

Interesting comments ..

Clearly you are an open minded individual welcoming alternative views and not being consigned to ignominy by your fascination with your own opinion .. !!!

The more you speak .. the less is being heard !!!

[CunningLinguist]

Not details, I'm not silly enough to ask for details of other's business. But I was told it's worth it !

By who ?
You did say you had facts.

[IamSam]

Interesting comments ..

Clearly you are an open minded individual welcoming alternative views and not being consigned to ignominy by your fascination with your own opinion .. !!!

The more you speak .. the less is being heard !!!


yes you are right, the more I type the more you read but don't be confused about the forum politics of which you admire its all apart of the big show!
Keep it simple, keep it real!

[CunningLinguist]

One thing you guys haven't considered is bumped threads are not targeting only on customers, they are targeting potential new recruits too ! When a girl wants to get a job in the industry, very likely she would browse through the forum to see which shop is busier and pays better, that's another reason why shops want to stay visible all the time !

We don't see many WLs with accounts.
I doubt there are many potential WLs that browse this forum.
I always ask WLs and MLs how they started and not one has mentioned the forum.
The top reasons are: a friend told me, saw an add in a local foreign language publication.

[CunningLinguist]

Haha, after 4 pages and 126 posts, we are still where we started !!

Nothing is gonna to change if the shop owners don't want to come to the party!

I guess first and forth most everyone must acknowledge the importance of paying advertisers and their rights to market = bumping their threads onto the front page, preferably up the top which is the most prominent (try google!)

But I just have one question, would a maximum of five threads per shop or per paying customer be an acceptable amount of "Spams" that everyone can live with!

I think people are annoyed when they see 10,11,12,13,14,15 ....threads from the same shop on the front page and they were all refreshed by the shop owner so there were nothing new there.

BTW, if certain shops actually pay 3/4 times more money for their ads in the forum then I suppose they are entitled to post more, but if everyone pay the same fees, then it's a bit unfair that the few shops who bumped all the times occupied most of the first couple of pages, if these threads were posted by members. Then of course we don't have any issue with that!

Another question, and sorry if I put 45 George on the spot here, I don't mind seeing say Bonny's ? Reviews got bumped up regularly, I did that for Mimi all the times too, but do you need to bump 5 or 6 threads all for the same girl ??

I still don't have the answer, I'm just saying this -

May be Admin can put a small rule out to test the water:

Shop owners at any given time are Not allowed to post (bump) more than 3 (this could be 5, but I think 3 is a reasonable no. Considering we have so many advertisers now) threads from his/her shop on to the front page!

Then they will have to think or choose carefully which thread to be placed on to the front page, may be one with the roster plus two of their more popular girls who are working today. In the case of 5 Star, that probably will be their Lucky 14, plus one for the Penthouse and one other, that's pretty much what they are doing anyway!

Any excess threads , like the 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 or so on will be locked temporary until they drop out of the front page, Admin do this for a few weeks and everyone will be falling in line.

Everyone can still do what they are doing now, but the no. of threads will be vastly reduced (3 per shop).

All the threads from those dynamic shop owners will be still up front but it will be maximum three instead of 10 or 15!!

I think this can be done and a more level playing field !

If only Admin is willing to address the issue !!

Just my 3 cents!

Cheers

Constructive suggestions but I think if any rules are changed they need to be simple.
I reckon it would be easier to just say:
- General Talk section is for punters and shops can't post there.
- AR section section is for punters and shops can't post there.
- Rosters is for rosters and girl info and punters can't post there.

[CunningLinguist]

So its ok for you to bump threads and post rosters in general talk and after report sections?

Ahlungor aint perfect, none of us are,
But he does contribute constructively and he is helpful to people.
I don't see his posts as the problem, there are some shops that are much much worse.

[CunningLinguist]

Note that 45 george has responded to our discussions and has stopped their spamming now.
So I don't think we should use them as an bad example anymore, instead I think they can be used as a good example.
I haven't been to their shop but I have no reason not to now so will check it out next time I am in the area.
Good on them for listening and responding constructively!

[IamSam]

Constructive suggestions but I think if any rules are changed they need to be simple.
I reckon it would be easier to just say:
- General Talk section is for punters and shops can't post there.
- AR section section is for punters and shops can't post there.
- Rosters is for rosters and girl info and punters can't post there.

Even if all the shops/mamasans agreed on this do you really think they will put up with members posting rosters all over the place and bumping threads??




Ahlungor aint perfect, none of us are,
But he does contribute constructively and he is helpful to people.
I don't see his posts as the problem, there are some shops that are much much worse.

[Punter Poontang]

Possibly your reaction is filtered by the pretty transparent animosity you continually convey in responding to his comments

+1, it's been obvious for a long time now.

Comparing one roster per shop being posted by a member with up to 15 AR's being relentlessly bumped by shops at the same time ..... lololol

[CunningLinguist]

Even if all the shops/mamasans agreed on this do you really think they will put up with members posting rosters all over the place and bumping threads??

I take your point, If the shops did agree to this then the spotlight would be on Ahlungor.

[wilisno]

We don't see many WLs with accounts.
I doubt there are many potential WLs that browse this forum.
I always ask WLs and MLs how they started and not one has mentioned the forum.
The top reasons are a: a friend told me, saw an add in a local foreign language publication.
You are very wrong there !

And Syd99 is not the only forum they browse, there are Chinese forums too.

[AHLUNGOR]

You are very wrong there !

And Syd99 is not the only forum they browse, there are Chinese forums too.

Hi brother Wil,

I didn't know there are Chinese forums in Sydney, can you send me the link please !!

Just wondering if Tiff or Sammi will be there ??

Thanks

Cheers

[Sextus]

At best we are a rudder that never knows quite what direction it is going in. This always ends up describing a circle, as many have observed!



Haha, after 4 pages and 126 posts, we are still where we started !!

I didn't think someone would mention it again quite so soon!

[CunningLinguist]

You are very wrong there !

And Syd99 is not the only forum they browse, there are Chinese forums too.

I have heard of one Chinese forum, but since I can't read Chinese I don't know how to check your claim.
Are there forums for Thai and Japanese etc also ?
I reckon most foreign WLs probably only have a phone or tablet so for the ones that know about it only see the mobile version of the forum(s).

In your opinion what percentage of new recruits select a shop based on viewing forums ?

[wilisno]

I have heard of one Chinese forum, but since I can't read Chinese I don't know how to check your claim.
Are there forums for Thai and Japanese etc also ?
I reckon most foreign WLs probably only have a phone or tablet so for the ones that know about it only see the mobile version of the forum(s).

In your opinion what percentage of new recruits select a shop based on viewing forums ?
Yes, there are Japanese, Korean, Thai forums too ! Many shop owners are advertising in those relevant sites too !

[wilisno]

Hi brother Wil,

I didn't know there are Chinese forums in Sydney, can you send me the link please !!

Just wondering if Tiff or Sammi will be there ??

Thanks

Cheers
Instead of digging for the link for you, you can just try to go to the MOC Review Collection, open one of the Big J reports, I think it's no.3 ? It's a report copied from the Australian Chinese forum !

[IamSam]

I want whatever clouds your judgement and common sense!

If anyone finds a cure for cancer than yes a lot of big pharmaceutical companies would lose lots of $$

and as you may not know the biggest war starter in history is either money or religion with the power of pussy coming in 3rd place.





Lol - This just goes to show how animosity can cloud your common sense.

I bet if Ahlungor found the cure for cancer, he ll still going to have something to attack him about it.

O well, I guess being the most senior member on this forum, you have to take the good with the bad. I respect how he still keeps it civil no matter what is being said to him.