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cmk76
08-08-2013, 12:56 PM
Blog of dating site, China Love Match.. http://blog.chinalovematch.net/blog/article/The-Trouble-with-Marrying-a-Foreigner

The Trouble with Marrying a Foreigner
By Peter Vernezze

Good things come in threes. Or is it bad things? In either case, when I hear the exact same charge about foreign men repeated three times from completely separate sources in the course of one week, I figure that is worth a report.

It started with a letter I received from out of the blue. For about a year I wrote an advice column for a Chinese English language paper. The nature of the column concerned relationships between foreign men and Chinese women. The paper stopped publishing a while back, but someone must have gotten a hold of an old copy because I received a letter from a Chinese woman asking for advice about how to meet foreign men. In the letter, she reported that her friends had warned her that foreign men will leave a relationship, even a marriage, when they no longer feel an emotional attachment, and she asked me if this was in fact true. Before answering, I showed the letter to my Chinese teacher, in large part because the letter was written in Chinese and I wanted to make sure I understood it correctly. After inquiring whether I had the woman’s concern right, that foreign men will leave a relationship when they stop feeling passionate, I followed up with whether my teacher, herself an attractive Chinese woman in search of a husband (though not necessarily a foreign one), believed this to be the case. Yes, she sheepishly replied. What about all her friends? They, too, subscribed to this theory.

But I still did not think I had anything worth writing about until the lesson on Chinese Pod. I have written about this podcast several times. It is not only the best Chinese language learning podcast available, but it invariably offers a wealth of information about Chinese culture. The intermediate level lesson last week was titled “The Trouble with Marrying a Foreigner.” In it, a Chinese mother expresses her concerns about her daughter’s relationship with a foreign man. Her worries involve a number of cross cultural issues such as diet, language and, most importantly, the following:

我听说外国人不负责任,没有激情了就要离婚
wǒ tīngshuō wàiguórén bù fù zérèn, méiyǒu jīqíng le jiù yào líhūn.
I've heard that foreigners aren't trustworthy. If they don't feel passion, then they'll get divorced

There it is. The thought that is on many Chinese woman’s mind (and all of their mothers’) as she considers your latest email or mulls over the conversation of your last video chat. Now that you know it, the question is, how do you respond?

There are obviously three options. You can either deny it is true as applied to foreign men, admit it is true for most Westerners but not does not apply to you, or admit it is in fact true of you and all (most) Westerners. Although the final option might seem suicidal, it is the one I would suggest in no small part because I think is true. But let me suggest why this alleged negative trait is actually a positive.

In short, the desire to keep a marriage passionate is something Western men should embrace, not apologize for. By itself, it does not mean that one is more likely to leave a marriage. What it does mean is that for Western men, marriage is not like docking a ship where you can park it or forget it but it is more like setting sail on an adventure where you have to keep aware and alert to the circumstances the whole time. This is something Chinese women who are dating Western men should appreciate, because it means they will not be neglected nor taken for granted.

But this should not imply that the Western husband will be more likely to leave a marriage. Indeed, the evidence that foreign men, especially American men do not leave a marriage easily is the large number of marriage counselors in America. If men left a marriage as soon as passion faded, the profession would have no reason to exist. Yet it is thriving. Quite simply, Western men know it is a lot easier to work on a current relationship then it is to start a new one, just like it is usually better to fix an old car than to buy a new one. Plus we are a little bit lazy. If a woman does not give us reason to leave, we more than likely won’t.

So in the end I think there is quite a bit to admire about our passion and nothing to fear. The hard part, though, will be convincing her mother.

da1andonly
08-08-2013, 01:20 PM
alright these white guy asian girl threads are so common on the internet.... what's the deal with white guy's obsession with asian girls? too many of these creepy guys around.

kmidas1
09-08-2013, 12:21 AM
My friend married a shanghai girl, and she cleaned him out and went home. Tried to warn him

Max Impact
09-08-2013, 12:31 AM
alright these white guy asian girl threads are so common on the internet.... what's the deal with white guy's obsession with asian girls? too many of these creepy guys around.

WTF? Are you a white female journalist? Many Asian men are obsessed with Caucasian women so the demand for Eastern Bloc low income women in Asia.

I don't think that's creepy.

Why is it creepy that westerners discern towards Eastern women?

AHLUNGOR
09-08-2013, 01:02 AM
My friend married a shanghai girl, and she cleaned him out and went home. Tried to warn him

I wonder whether Shanghai, Chinese or Asian girls are being targeted here !

How about my friend married a Brisbane girl, she cleaned him out and went home! I tried to warn him !

That would be a non event, right ? - and who the fxxx cares !

Cheers

Max Impact
09-08-2013, 01:10 AM
My friend married a shanghai girl, and she cleaned him out and went home. Tried to warn him

A wise man warned me about Shanghai women! Do you know who you are? You were right!

da1andonly
09-08-2013, 07:44 AM
WTF? Are you a white female journalist? Many Asian men are obsessed with Caucasian women so the demand for Eastern Bloc low income women in Asia.

I don't think that's creepy.

Why is it creepy that westerners discern towards Eastern women?

its creepy because you see it all the time...... old white guy with young asian girl... asian mail order bride etc....
have you ever seen a 60 year old asian guy with a 20 year old white girl? if you go outside and walk on the streets you'll notice there are much more white guys with asian girls than white girls with asian guys.

kingwally
09-08-2013, 07:54 AM
A wise man warned me about Shanghai women! Do you know who you are? You were right!Even a wise Chinese woman warned me about Shanghai women!! She said to me "Take care with any Shanghai woman,they are very smart!"

tpol
09-08-2013, 08:43 AM
I like cauc women but once they're passed 25 they age too fast and need to be replaced

AHLUNGOR
09-08-2013, 09:55 AM
its creepy because you see it all the time...... old white guy with young asian girl... asian mail order bride etc....
have you ever seen a 60 year old asian guy with a 20 year old white girl? if you go outside and walk on the streets you'll notice there are much more white guys with asian girls than white girls with asian guys.

That's an accurate observations Da1,

And a very simple answer! A 20 yr old white girl has a lot more social and economical values and options than a 20 yr old Asian girl especially if she is not well educated and came from a poor family background !

One other point another brother made was that once past 25, white women aged a lot faster on average than an Asian women, skin and body etc. but of course there are exceptions! And again , may be I am biased here but Asian women probably make a better housewife and can make man feels like a man or even a king at home, may be not so for a white woman, very stereotype here but may be we can all agree that the divorce rate and failed marriages are a lot higher in the western world than in Asia !

Take Aust for example, if you are over 60, you could still afford to get a mail order bride or similar in some poor quarters in Asia such as the Philippines , Thailand, rural China, there is almost no chance you can get a 20 yr white woman willing to do that unless she is from Eastern Europe, but then again, a 60 yr old man will be wise enough to know that a 20 yr Asian girl will make a better wife than say a 20 yr old Polish or Russian girl !!

Just my two cents!

Cheers

Ps. If it was me, and I have to remarry at 60! I'll pick an Asian girl for sure, probably not a 20 yr, may be a 30+ and must cook and can massage , with big tits of course !!

But I will still want to fuck some 20 yr white girl, black girl and Asian girls but only in the shop though, I don't want to be seen with a girl like my grand daughter out in public! It's just me.......haha

World citizen
09-08-2013, 10:12 AM
australian men treat their women like princesses - its a chivalric tradition of anglo saxon culture that women are revered and shielded from the brutality of the world. in chinese culture marriages seem more transactional and pragmatic in nature.

jellyshots
09-08-2013, 11:00 AM
Sorry World Citizen, I have to disagree with you. Most Aussie guys don't treat their women well. Otherwise, they wouldn't take notice of when a guy opens a car door for them or holds his hand out for them to step up or down a flight of stairs.

It is pretty common to see older Chinese men with young Russian women but not to the degree of 60yo and 20 yo's. More like 35-40yo and 20-30yo. This happens closer to the border. Anyway, it's kind of irrelevant.

None of it is creepy. My uncle is Aussie and was 20 years older than his wife, my aunt. They were great together. He was looking for a wife who liked to cook, who let him protect her and they each found that in each other.

As for me, I like the diversity. I like travel and I like different cultures. That's what attracts me more, the stories of their hometowns, their travel etc. And to be honest, even though sex is a universal language, I love the fact that not every girl you meet has been brainwashed by the american subculture of watching porn. I love the fact that korean girls, japanese girls, euro girls, canadian girls all give head differently. Diversity is beautiful and should be celebrated not denigrated.

AHLUNGOR
09-08-2013, 01:09 PM
australian men treat their women like princesses - its a chivalric tradition of anglo saxon culture that women are revered and shielded from the brutality of the world. in chinese culture marriages seem more transactional and pragmatic in nature.

Seriously, are you for real ??

Sure, there are some Aussie gentlemen, but not the majority I don't think. BTW, are you Chinese yourself? I don't think I can agree with you on your Chinese culture marriages stuff either !

asiafever
09-08-2013, 01:20 PM
Yeah as an aussie guy, watching my friends etc, I can say that as generalisations go it's not accurate. It's a common misconception portrayed throughout asia though. In Japan I was constantly TOLD that white guys treat girls better, because Japanese men are chauvanists. Yet it was de rigeur for a Japanese husband to come home, give his entire salary to his wife, who then gave him his spending money and she could do as she pleased with the rest as long as bills were paid and food on the table. I found that while obvious cultural differences, there were/are gentlemen and creeps in equal numbers throughout the world.

One thing I have noticed more often is what was said earlier, white girls dating Asian men, although more from the same age bracket. I don't believe in 'isms'. Sexism, racism, it's all closed mindedness, if two people are happy and it breaks no laws, whose fucking business is it anyway? I date mostly Asian girls, it suits my taste, but I have dated Danish, Aussie, Italian, Romanian, Argentinian, Peruvian etc. I've dated older and younger, fat and skinny and everything in between.

"have you ever seen a 60 year old asian guy with a 20 year old white girl" Yep, in Tokyo, every fucking day and night of the week!

cmk76
09-08-2013, 04:40 PM
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cmk76
09-08-2013, 04:44 PM
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puntbook
09-08-2013, 11:39 PM
It's amusing reading this thread. Based on the comments it's easy to tell which posters are older anglo-saxons that think they know Asian women and Asian culture because they visit a few shops and get attention from Asian WL/ML.

Very interesting.

World citizen
09-08-2013, 11:52 PM
referring to me? im a young anglo guy with a chinese-born girlfriend.

jellyshots
10-08-2013, 07:59 AM
The trouble with marrying a foreigner is when they take on too many western traits. Best they stay thinking that white guys treat them better. It's not a bad thing. Funny because euro girls have this impression Asian and Black guys are exotic. Even in Australia, my best success has come from country Aussie chicks. Apart from the euro girls of course.

rage_face
10-08-2013, 08:20 AM
I wouldn't say it's just Shanghainese girls. According to my friends, Shanghainese people have the stereotypes of being very frugal and money conscious. I have one Shanghainese friend (male) who fits this profile.

And please, don't play the "if they are happy then that's all that matters" card with the 60yr old white male and 20yr old Asian female couples. It is clear both are getting something shallow out of it. Not only that, there is a degree of morality involved because he seems to be taking advantage of her limited English, limited experience in a foreign country. The only thing that separates him from the general pedophile is she is getting money out of it.

asiafever
10-08-2013, 09:07 AM
You're kidding right??

Comparing consenting adults to a paedophile/victim relationship? You've got a pretty jaded view of the world. Now you've made ridiculous assumptions, how is 'he' taking advantage of her limited English? How do you know that girl is not in fact ABC, or a registered translator? You see an Asian face and guess. Each and every case is different because each and every person is different. Her motives may be just as questionable. Who are we, a bunch of guys who pay money for sexual services, to judge morality and motives in an adult relationship between 2 people we know nothing about? I'm comfortable with my life choice but you don't seem to be...
Did you get that rash sorted with 127?

cmk76
11-08-2013, 01:10 AM
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Sextus
11-08-2013, 01:37 AM
who are we, a bunch of guys who pay money for sexual services, to judge morality and motives in an adult relationship between 2 people we know nothing about?

I know you didn't specifically mean to relate them Asiafever - you were just dealing with Rage face's puritanical judgementalism (there's a mouthful! he he) but the more people separate the notion of morality from the idea of sex the healthier their minds become. To consider sex between consenting adults in any negative terms at all is an affront to human dignity.

And everytime the throw away line of "paying for sex" comes up I always have to jump in with the fact that ALL sex costs you in one way or another. Our way is doubtless the least painless!

AHLUNGOR
11-08-2013, 03:27 AM
Well, sex is a basic human needs just like food and drinks , clothes and shelter !

And I agree with Sextus that all sex will cost you something one way or another !

You can pay with money, in kind, with friendship, with love, with your marriage or freedom ! Or just a meal, a box of chocolate or a cup of coffee or tea or me !.......lol

Just my two cents

Cheers

asiafever
11-08-2013, 07:43 AM
I know you didn't specifically mean to relate them Asiafever - you were just dealing with Rage face's puritanical judgementalism (there's a mouthful! he he) but the more people separate the notion of morality from the idea of sex the healthier their minds become. To consider sex between consenting adults in any negative terms at all is an affront to human dignity.

And everytime the throw away line of "paying for sex" comes up I always have to jump in with the fact that ALL sex costs you in one way or another. Our way is doubtless the least painless!

This is true, probably also the least expensive...

jellyshots
12-08-2013, 11:30 AM
Well, I don't think I'd even marry a local. Foreigner all the time. Who wants to drive a sluggish, bottom heavy, gas guzzling local built model when you can get yourself the sweetly engineered import that rides like a dream - sleek, agile, sports suspension, luxury interior. The list goes on...

Licker
12-08-2013, 10:39 PM
Well, I don't think I'd even marry a local. Foreigner all the time. Who wants to drive a sluggish, bottom heavy, gas guzzling local built model when you can get yourself the sweetly engineered import that rides like a dream - sleek, agile, sports suspension, luxury interior. The list goes on...

Yes, I like Porsche as well :)