ML vs WL: who earns more ?

[cuntking]

Pardon if this had been dtd (discussed to death) previously or seems rhetorical, if all else being equal hypothetically (i.e. shop's popularity, locality, girl's desirability & skills etc ..), just curious would an ML earn as much as a WL ? There's probably no fair comparison but it seems a very popular ML can come out ahead (base wage + tips). Thoughts ?

[AHLUNGOR]

If all things being equal, the WL providing FS will always earns more than a massage lady, end of discussion ?? May be not quite !

But then again, you need to take into account the no. of customers she may have vs. how much money one can make and the average cost for session.

If you get one of those Modello "c-list model/celebrity" who charges $800/hr. she only has to do one or two jobs a day and will out score most WLs or MLs.

Then you have a WL who is Not very popular working for a FS shop charging $85/30 min, what's her cut? $50 ! and you compare that with a very popular ML who also earns $85/30 min ($35 for the massage fee which she cuts $15 and the $50 tip is all hers so her earning is $65), and the FS girl was lucky to do 5 jobs over a 10 hr shift while the ML will easily do 10 jobs a day, you do the some.

So, in short, there are so many variables, and after you get 20+ replies to this thread, you will be back right here, you don't have an answer because every situation is different.

Just my two cents.

Cheers

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[TMC (free cage girl)]

Without good customer services, there will be no business!!12532

[DemonHarry]

If WL is more ugly/tired than other WL at shop = no customers
No matter how ugly/tired a ML looks, once she's got a guys cock in her hands, she's making money.. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

[WHITEDUDE]

I would think WL, but if they ML's extras a quite $$$, so might work out even, what do you think?

[wilisno]

A definitive answer to this question : A WL makes more money than an ML, period !

Forget about a popular ML vs an unpopular WL, the comparison should be based on the 2 professions, not 2 individuals. Individual's income can not be predicted, one might even find a sugar daddy before the other !

I've been told by a few girls who turned WLs from MLs, more money was the main reason they made the switch, and of course, they must be confident about their physical appearance !

And furthermore, they said ML's job is actually much harder, they said after the first day of work at a massage place, they were so tired that they couldn't close theIr fingers to hold a bowl of rice or apply the chopsticks at dinner time !

[cuntking]

Fair points, was looking at the average per session minus the variables, just too many "what if's" and trying to be impartial with the negatives of each profession cos they've all got downsides (i.e.dry skin vs numb fingers vs health probe etc …)
In summary, in average 30 mins session, models cat aside, the rate for an average joe works out to be:
WL: $50
ML: $15 + $50 (tips)

as an ML, you could also easily make up for looks in the service department whereas 1st impressions count as a WL so there's more job certainty and longevity.
I suppose that explains the recent explosion of massage joints dotted around Sydney.
Interesting to hear different perspectives.

[wilisno]

Fair points, was looking at the average per session minus the variables, just too many "what if's" and trying to be impartial with the negatives of each profession cos they've all got downsides (i.e.dry skin vs numb fingers vs health probe etc …)
In summary, in average 30 mins session, models cat aside, the rate for an average joe works out to be:
WL: $50
ML: $15 + $50 (tips)

as an ML, you could also easily make up for looks in the service department whereas 1st impressions count as a WL so there's more job certainty and longevity.
I suppose that explains the recent explosion of massage joints dotted around Sydney.
Interesting to hear different perspectives.
Your pricing example is not a fair point though !

If a WL only gets $50 per session, it's at the bottom of the spectrum, not an average joe, most are getting $60 or higher. The higher end girls can get up to $250 for an hour !

And $35 + $50 for an ML is not an average Joe either, most people would go for FS if they have to pay $85 for half an hour, so a big percentage of an half hour with an ML is $35 + $20 HJ if not massage only !

[CunningLinguist]

And furthermore, they said ML's job is actually much harder, they said after the first day of work at a massage place, they were so tired that they couldn't close theIr fingers to hold a bowl of rice or apply the chopsticks at dinner time !

I must be a MLs best friend then as I hardly ever get a massage from a ML in a massage shop these days, we seem to get distracted before I am asked to lie down ... :) Any super hot MLs out there that want a nice easy session on their hands drop me a line and I will see if I can swing by sometime :)

[cuntking]

i suppose i speak for the older or more discreet blokes who preference s to layback, get decent massage + a nude happy ending rather than break a sweat, is all about the journey not the destination these days :smile:
Ahlungor analysis do make sense though, i.e.

a 30min punt@TP64 or 533W will set you back $90, the WL takes back $50
a 30min session@SF or SL will set you back $35, the ML rakes in $15 (wage) + $50 (nude HJ) = $65 or $35 (worse case if she's butt ugly)

That said, i have not heard of many WL making the switch to ML though !

[wilisno]

i suppose i speak for the older or more discreet blokes who preference s to layback, get decent massage + a nude happy ending rather than break a sweat, is all about the journey not the destination these days :smile:
Ahlungor analysis do make sense though, i.e.

a 30min punt@TP64 or 533W will set you back $90, the WL takes back $50
a 30min session@SF or SL will set you back $35, the ML rakes in $15 (wage) + $50 (nude HJ) = $65 or $35 (worse case if she's butt ugly)

That said, i have not heard of many WL making the switch to ML though !
Who told you the girl's cut is $50 at 533 ? ;) ;) ;)

And again, you're assuming every customer is paying the $50 for extras!

The last paragraph is the key point ! ;) ;) ;)

[cuntking]

I must be a MLs best friend then as I hardly ever get a massage from a ML in a massage shop these days, we seem to get distracted before I am asked to lie down ... :) Any super hot MLs out there that want a nice easy session on their hands drop me a line and I will see if I can swing by sometime :)
Lmfao, how does one tell these days if these joints offer only legit services ? There's a bucket load of Thai joints along George St & often wondered how they survive in the fiercely competitive market coupled with greedy landlords ?

[Travelmate]

wl earning more in general

[TMC (free cage girl)]

wl earning more in general

yeah, massage shop close earlier than brothel!

maybe......

[garfield]

In general, Ml earns 300 to 500 a day. Higher class Wl earns 800 to 1000 a day.

[TMC (free cage girl)]

In general, Ml earns 300 to 500 a day. Higher class Wl earns 800 to 1000 a day.

WL work hard, because many people booking 30mins with girl on this forum.

how many client WL get per day and make 800-1000???

[garfield]

WL work hard, because many people booking 30mins with girl on this forum.

how many client WL get per day and make 800-1000???

How much your girls earning per day? Yamaha?

[TMC (free cage girl)]

1million $$$

hahaha12546

we only take 2 booking a day. because if the girl take many customer. girls can't provide proper service.

what you think, if the girl busy and BBBJ and CIM a lot before your session? it's taste like a someones sperm or what?

we always keep good condition for customer!!

2 booking a day is good for customer so, we only take 2 booking a day.

It's worth money!!!

[garfield]

1million $$$

hahaha<img src="http://forum.aus99.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12546"/>

we only take 2 booking a day. because if the girl take many customer. girls can't provide proper service.

what you think, if the girl busy and BBBJ and CIM a lot before your session? it's taste like a someones sperm or what?

we always keep good condition for customer!!

2 booking a day is good for customer so, we only take 2 booking a day.

It's worth money!!!

Sorry but I have to politely say I don't buy it!

[TMC (free cage girl)]

yeah, no space for your booking

[wilisno]

we only take 2 booking a day. because if the girl take many customer. girls can't provide proper service.

You're very lucky then ! If a girl with the quality of Therapist, and only gets 2 jobs a day, which translates to under $500 income, most will leave the agency or shop very quickly !

[Mr Crash and Burn]

TP64 girls earn between 800-1000 per shift.

Most of the 85/150 shops, the cut is 50WL/35 shop and 100/WL/50 shop for the hour. I would say this price structure is on average the most common. Sure there are higher end shops, but their would be more 150/hr shops than any other type. (maybe $10 either way).

I know of 2 ML's who have transferred from being WL's for the reason that they can pick and choose which customers they fuck. These 2 girls would take home anywhere between 300 and 600 for a 10am-8pm shift each day, some days being better than others.

ML's also prefer the 30moin shifts as there cut is higher by percentage than it is over the hour due to the discounted rate. However WL's rate atays at $50/half an hour irrespective of how long the booking is.

[garfield]

TP64 girls earn between 800-1000 per shift.

Most of the 85/150 shops, the cut is 50WL/35 shop and 100/WL/50 shop for the hour. I would say this price structure is on average the most common. Sure there are higher end shops, but their would be more 150/hr shops than any other type. (maybe $10 either way).

I know of 2 ML's who have transferred from being WL's for the reason that they can pick and choose which customers they fuck. These 2 girls would take home anywhere between 300 and 600 for a 10am-8pm shift each day, some days being better than others.

ML's also prefer the 30moin shifts as there cut is higher by percentage than it is over the hour due to the discounted rate. However WL's rate atays at $50/half an hour irrespective of how long the booking is.

Very good explanation, thanks.

[TMC (free cage girl)]

You're very lucky then ! If a girl with the quality of Therapist, and only gets 2 jobs a day, which translates to under $500 income, most will leave the agency or shop very quickly !

Oh! It's true.

we didn't earn from girl now. i actually i feed them 12547

[Omen]

WL work hard, because many people booking 30mins with girl on this forum.

how many client WL get per day and make 800-1000???

High end private indepandant escorts . THat charge 500-1000 per hour. All they need is 1 or 2 cliients or better yet one client who books for 2 hours plus and bang easy money. There was this asian escort named jasmin jaro. Read a review on her and some guy paid her 10k to go on holiday with her. Thats just 10k for her to say yes and fuck him like crazy not including other stuff. THen he prob paid extra for 5 star hotels plane ticket, prob spending money shopping etc and food and activitivties etc etc prob another 10k on top so poor bugger prob ended up paying 20k plus for a holiday with her. Fcuck that was the easieast money she ever made. 10k in her a pocket and a free holiday.

[CunningLinguist]

High end private indepandant escorts . THat charge 500-1000 per hour. All they need is 1 or 2 cliients or better yet one client who books for 2 hours plus and bang easy money. There was this asian escort named jasmin jaro. Read a review on her and some guy paid her 10k to go on holiday with her. Thats just 10k for her to say yes and fuck him like crazy not including other stuff. THen he prob paid extra for 5 star hotels plane ticket, prob spending money shopping etc and food and activitivties etc etc prob another 10k on top so poor bugger prob ended up paying 20k plus for a holiday with her. Fcuck that was the easieast money she ever made. 10k in her a pocket and a free holiday.

She seems over-priced to me:
http://www.privategirls.com.au/jasmine_jaro_melb.php
http://www.highclassasianescort.com/international.html

[AHLUNGOR]

And furthermore, they said ML's job is actually much harder, they said after the first day of work at a massage place, they were so tired that they couldn't close theIr fingers to hold a bowl of rice or apply the chopsticks at dinner time !


This is a true statement if you are talking about shopping centre massage jobs ！

Yes, those jobs are very tough and very tiring and if the ml didn't learn properly how to apply the body weight to add to her strength, she can easily hurt her own hands and fingers too! That's why so many legit mls switch to RnT so that the demand on their body is less and they can earn more tips by doing the tugs ! And even more tips if they get naked and a lot more money if they do some more extras and the lists goes on........

I can write for the next few hours and share some more, but it's getting late, may be some other times

Cheers

[cuntking]

TP64 girls earn between 800-1000 per shift.

Most of the 85/150 shops, the cut is 50WL/35 shop and 100/WL/50 shop for the hour. I would say this price structure is on average the most common. Sure there are higher end shops, but their would be more 150/hr shops than any other type. (maybe $10 either way).

I know of 2 ML's who have transferred from being WL's for the reason that they can pick and choose which customers they fuck. These 2 girls would take home anywhere between 300 and 600 for a 10am-8pm shift each day, some days being better than others.

ML's also prefer the 30moin shifts as there cut is higher by percentage than it is over the hour due to the discounted rate. However WL's rate atays at $50/half an hour irrespective of how long the booking is.

MLs@SF or SL surely are more likely to be within the 600-800 bracket per shift even with the occasional above-mentioned services ?? they're always insanely busy !

I always thought that WLs had a choice if they feel uncomfortable with the customer(at least at TP64 & 533W) which is commendable. No punt ever feels right when they're disinterested to being with. still @$50/30mins clocking in 40hrs per week, there's a lot of coin for a TP64 girl, suddenly i feel like an underachiever.

[Omen]

She seems over-priced to me:
http://www.privategirls.com.au/jasmine_jaro_melb.php
http://www.highclassasianescort.com/international.html

Yeah tell me about way over priced and i still cant beleive some guy paid her 10k for a week.

[TMC (free cage girl)]

Yeah tell me about way over priced and i still cant beleive some guy paid her 10k for a week.

i normally spend around $400 for one night for dinner and drink not include hotel room , just go out with some one.
If i book hotel room, $300 plus on $400. total $700. ............. that girl looks 35-38yo Asian girl.

if she want to charge $1000 for 1 hour, it's ok for the price but, i can find another way to spend $1000.

if you spend 10K for a week, i think it's not expensive and still someone want to booking with that girl.
but If i spend 10k for girl, i want to take my dog for hawaii and i will book the flight business class and I will drink with Japanese girl over there.......

[Omen]

Nah its expensive 10k for a hooker. for a whole week if u look at her pricing structure it would be reasonably priced as she charges 800 the hour.. U gotta remeber the 10k was just for her to come and fuck and not include other expenses. now if the 10k included everything plane ticket hotel food maybe it be bit more reasonable . But it didnt. He had to pay extra for hotel, plane ticket prob food, shopping, activitivities... so that in reality he prob spend close to 20k plus.
Anyways her pricing seems to be fair as she clearly gets business so credit to her. BUt me i wouldnt pay 800 for her

[TMC (free cage girl)]

Nah its expensive 10k for a hooker. for a whole week if u look at her pricing structure it would be reasonably priced as she charges 800 the hour.. U gotta remeber the 10k was just for her to come and fuck and not include other expenses. now if the 10k included everything plane ticket hotel food maybe it be bit more reasonable . But it didnt. He had to pay extra for hotel, plane ticket prob food, shopping, activitivities... so that in reality he prob spend close to 20k plus.
Anyways her pricing seems to be fair as she clearly gets business so credit to her. BUt me i wouldnt pay 800 for her

I can understand. i think you can get girl with out money and you can pick up girl from outside, so $800 is not worth for this girl.
yeah, we can get proper girl out side and pick up without money.

so we can spend 10k for food and drink and call 20 girls for one place!! but someone is old and noway to spend money, who might use this girl for escort....
i don't want to be old man!!!!!

[Omen]

I can understand. i think you can get girl with out money and you can pick up girl from outside, so $800 is not worth for this girl.
yeah, we can get proper girl out side and pick up without money.

so we can spend 10k for food and drink and call 20 girls for one place!! but someone is old and noway to spend money, who might use this girl for escort....
i don't want to be old man!!!!!
Hahaha yeah man I don't wanna be old man. But if I was old an and had 20k I'd rather do something else with the money

[DemonHarry]

This is a true statement if you are talking about shopping centre massage jobs ！

Yes, those jobs are very tough and very tiring and if the ml didn't learn properly how to apply the body weight to add to her strength, she can easily hurt her own hands and fingers too! That's why so many legit mls switch to RnT so that the demand on their body is less and they can earn more tips by doing the tugs ! And even more tips if they get naked and a lot more money if they do some more extras and the lists goes on........

I can write for the next few hours and share some more, but it's getting late, may be some other times

Cheers

The switch from shopping center to RnT solves the finger problem.
But it creates a tennis elbow problem, lol.

[gggb]

I think this thread is a bit naive in it's approach.... I think the disparity in income will be more in the individual's approach as opposed to the job.

With these jobs depending on a number of factors, a few off the top of my head would be:

-looks
-services
-ability to communicate and build connections
-effort
-moral standards

for instance I think a very pretty, greatly skilled, hard working girl who is able to build rapport and lie through her teeth to hook clients will be extremely successful regardless of if she is a ML or WL.

but if she lacks all of the above she will not do well IMO.

If you are saying should a girl be a ML or WL... and which one pays more, again it depends on her skillset and which factors she excels in.

In terms of ML charging more for extra's and that is why she has the potential to earn more, does that make her a WL? lets say she's a ML in shop but does private stuff with her built clients and has sex with them.... again another area where definitions need to be made.


ML or WL who earns more? I'd say it depends on the girl.

[wilisno]

I think this thread is a bit naive in it's approach.... I think the disparity in income will be more in the individual's approach as opposed to the job.

With these jobs depending on a number of factors, a few off the top of my head would be:

-looks
-services
-ability to communicate and build connections
-effort
-moral standards

for instance I think a very pretty, greatly skilled, hard working girl who is able to build rapport and lie through her teeth to hook clients will be extremely successful regardless of if she is a ML or WL.

but if she lacks all of the above she will not do well IMO.

If you are saying should a girl be a ML or WL... and which one pays more, again it depends on her skillset and which factors she excels in.

In terms of ML charging more for extra's and that is why she has the potential to earn more, does that make her a WL? lets say she's a ML in shop but does private stuff with her built clients and has sex with them.... again another area where definitions need to be made.


ML or WL who earns more? I'd say it depends on the girl.
But you can't argue the fact that if both are on equal terms, which means same qualities as in look, skill, attitude etc. then a WL will definitely be on top in earning.

[numberonebigsize]

I know a lady who works 4 days a week at 4 different $150 shops. 1xsouth,1x innerwest,2xnorth. I see her regularly same day every week and have become quite friendly with her.During chitchat she has told me a great deal about being a W/L. So here is a summary of her work;
1. works 4 days per week,less 12 weeks off for period time=208-48=160 days per year.Less holidays and sickdays of 15 days=nett 145 DAYS per year.
2.Half hour $90/lady $60..One hour $150/lady $100.She writes down each job as she comes into room and I have seen the above figures.
3Claims to do 8/12 jobs per day. Worst day 4 jobs best day 16 jobs. I have to take her word on this so I have taken an average of 10 jobs per day. I am also averaging her jobs at5 x half hour and 5 x 1 hour
4.So on any day-5x$60 =$300..5x $100 = $500.. $800 per day..or $3200 per week.. Thus working 145 days per year @ $800 per day is $116000 per annum.No idea about taxation but not bad bikkies for four days per week with one week in four off.
The lady is early 30s,nice body,one baby but smooth stomach, GFE,PSE,BBBJ etc PRC girl.Just providing these details to show I believe she is definitely capable of snaring 10 punters per day.
Hope this adds something to the topic.

[AHLUNGOR]

I know a lady who works 4 days a week at 4 different $150 shops. 1xsouth,1x innerwest,2xnorth. I see her regularly same day every week and have become quite friendly with her.During chitchat she has told me a great deal about being a W/L. So here is a summary of her work;
1. works 4 days per week,less 12 weeks off for period time=208-48=160 days per year.Less holidays and sickdays of 15 days=nett 145 DAYS per year.
2.Half hour $90/lady $60..One hour $150/lady $100.She writes down each job as she comes into room and I have seen the above figures.
3Claims to do 8/12 jobs per day. Worst day 4 jobs best day 16 jobs. I have to take her word on this so I have taken an average of 10 jobs per day. I am also averaging her jobs at5 x half hour and 5 x 1 hour
4.So on any day-5x$60 =$300..5x $100 = $500.. $800 per day..or $3200 per week.. Thus working 145 days per year @ $800 per day is $116000 per annum.No idea about taxation but not bad bikkies for four days per week with one week in four off.
The lady is early 30s,nice body,one baby but smooth stomach, GFE,PSE,BBBJ etc PRC girl.Just providing these details to show I believe she is definitely capable of snaring 10 punters per day.
Hope this adds something to the topic.


Thanks for sharing some inside information with us.

While you are at this, can you now work backwards and see how much money the shop is making ? since you know how many girls work there each day and what is the shop's cut, knowing the shop opens 7 days and may only close a few days a year - looking forward to seeing more numbers from you.

Cheers

:question:

[wilisno]

Thanks for sharing some inside information with us.

While you are at this, can you now work backwards and see how much money the shop is making ? since you know how many girls work there each day and what is the shop's cut, knowing the shop opens 7 days and may only close a few days a year - looking forward to seeing more numbers from you.

Cheers

:question:
What for ?

[Travelmate]

What for ?

I support!
...and .. what are you going to do about this?
1. It looks very profitable and more people open more shops ...
2. This is easy working out Opex and G & A then translate into profit and loss.
When the season is slow , running discount and promotion and kill all small shops......
Blood path and no one making any money.
Just kidding.

[garfield]

Thanks for sharing some inside information with us.

While you are at this, can you now work backwards and see how much money the shop is making ? since you know how many girls work there each day and what is the shop's cut, knowing the shop opens 7 days and may only close a few days a year - looking forward to seeing more numbers from you.

Cheers

:question:

For massage joint I know shop is getting half so $30 per hour. If shop has 4 girls and each has say ave 5 1hr sessions, shop will be grossing 600 a day conservatively. More likely a good shop make a $800-$1000 per day.

[cuntking]

I know a lady who works 4 days a week at 4 different $150 shops. 1xsouth,1x innerwest,2xnorth. I see her regularly same day every week …. .

i envy your punting budget mate :love:


...4.So on any day-5x$60 =$300..5x $100 = $500.. $800 per day..or $3200 per week.. Thus working 145 days per year @ $800 per day is $116000 per annum.No idea about …..

at approximate $350000 per annum (before tax) doing 37.5hrs/wk, that's a lot of loose change for a single young female.


Thanks for sharing some inside information with us.

While you are at this, can you now work backwards and see how much money the shop is making ? since you know how many girls work there each day and what is the shop's cut, knowing the shop opens 7 days and may only close a few days a year - looking forward to seeing more numbers from you.

Cheers

:question:

Using the same statistics:
On any day=5x$30=$150 …5x$50=$250 …$400 per day or $2800 per week per girl (assuming shop's open 7days)
Avg 6 WLs per shift $2800x6=$16800 per week
Open 52 weeks $16800x52=$873600 per annum or $72800 per month

Taking into account miscellaneous opex such as sundries, rental, brothel licences, council fees, water rates, electricity+gas, insurance etc … conservatively i reckon $50k per month cash in hand is the take home figure for joints like TP64 or 533W

Care to comment on the massage joints bro?

My 2 cents

[numberonebigsize]

[QUOTE=cuntking;559811]i envy your punting budget mate :lo
Mate I think you misunderstand. I only see her once a week at the same shop. It would kill me both physically and financially to fuck her four times a week.
Also my stats show she works a total of 145 days a year in total,hence $116000 gross.
Just remember these are only approximate statistics. To quote Mark Twain..''there are three kinds of lies....LIES,DAMNED LIES and STATISTICS".
My only question asks:- is the physical and emotional on the girl worth the $$$$.

[DemonHarry]

My only question asks:- is the physical and emotional on the girl worth the $$$$.

At the end of the week;
Compare a ML/WL face to the face of a mid-level manager on $165K/yr or$185K if she's a non-resident . (same as $116K after tax ), lol.
What young girl wouldn't be doing this work?

[slarty]

I think one thing maybe missed in all this analysis is the amount of opportunity for MLs to earn a consistent number of jobs. It's fine for those CBD shops that are busy because the demand is there due to the high volume of customers and in turn the demand for young pretty girls. If a ML can gain a shift at one of those shops then yes income would be good.

However for each of these high volume shops there are dozens of suburban shops where the number of customers per day is very inconsistent. At these shops the income of the girls varies widely, from $0 - $100 on a really bad day to $200 on an average day. $300 would be a good day.

So my point is there are plenty of jobs in these suburban massage shops but the income is not that high. The $50 tips culture is fairly unique to those CBD as shops but nowhere near like that in your typical suburban shop- tips range from $20 - $50 there.

[DemonHarry]

Good point slarty

Remember also a girl in a suburban shop can have a reputation and repeat clientele that pay better than the cbd shops.

[slarty]

Good point slarty

Remember also a girl in a suburban shop can have a reputation and repeat clientele that pay better than the cbd shops.

That's a good point as well- if the ML is smart, treats her customers well and builds up a pool of repeat customers it doesn't matter where the shop is she will earn good money. Mamasans really like this kind of girl working in their shop. As long as the girl gets along with the other girls in her shifts - we could start a whole topic on how the turn based system works for walk in customers and how it sometimes causes friction between the ladies. Not to mention the rivalry that starts up between the girls sometimes :)