Asian customers only?

[winky]

Hey all

Noticed on a couple of sites lately that some girls will only take Asian customers. It doesn't upset me, each to his/her own but what is the reasoning? Is it a language thing?

Cheers

Winky

[Midnight_Prowl]

Well I know why wl like me.... Mine r small so it is easy for wl.
And I always treat them like my gf....

[Spe]

I try to shun away from commenting on controversial topics like this, but having come from Asia and punt there as well, this is a common practice for Asian WL in Asia. In many establishments, the rule is set by the Boss himself, not by the WL.

If you watched enough porn, you will know that Asian idea of normal fun and normal sex is slightly different from the western culture. And the obvious physical appearance don't match as well... Think about the reverse... If you have put your dick in a western pussy before... You will know the size is different. To have a sextifying session, and not too loose or too tight and painful, then the size and idea of sex have to match. Seriously I would not do some of the things in the western porn to any of the Asian WL I have been with. Hard pounding and with that big dick.

I don't think this is about race, but more of size and culture. Also can't rule out that the WL is human too, can't force them to do something they are not comfortable with... RESPECT. So unless you measure every punters dick before he enters the brothel, the only logical way is to eliminate by race. It might be simple solution to the problem. I think this is one of the few occasions when Chinese men are happy to admit they have smaller dicks then other races.

Just my 2 cents worth... There might be other reasons as well.

[WHITEDUDE]

Winky you should change your name to Whopper! :shout: The girls can probably see your massive boner poping out your shorts they are too scare you will bust them in half

[goulash]

This old chestnut. If you know the law you'd realise that a shop puts goods on display as an invitation to treat, the customer makes an offer to buy and it is up to the seller to accept or deny the offer.

It's a WLs prerogative to say yes or no to each client; anything else is sexual servitude. And illegal.

[Spe]

Nice to know that we have legal point of view. Sounds fair to me.

I do think there is a lot of other options for non Asian punters out there. Maybe I should be less diplomatic and say "Non Chinese appearance" instead of "non Asian". Cos there are a lot of non Chinese Asians.

Any senior bros know where is a good joint for non Chinese looking punters? Are there any joints advertised here? Great chance for them to promote their services in this thread. Right?

[s0019]

Might just because some of WL are new to here and they tend to have some familiar things around at least .

[wilisno]

In many establishments, the rule is set by the Boss himself, not by the WL.


Can't be further from the truth !

No boss would want to get less business by limiting the girls to see Asian clients only, it's the girls' decision for reasons that have been discussed on this forum uncountable times !

Maybe I should say except the old AngelTown that non Asians were barred from entering ! Even then, that's the reason why most of those girls wanted to work there !

[Spe]

I was referring to establishments in some parts of Asia. Those countries that I have had the opportunity to punt in. A lot of the establishments have very good welfare for the WL, the entire street(s) will not entertain non-Chinese looking clients including Caucasians. In japan even worse... Only serve japanese clients only. I had to go thru a japanese friend to get a simple blowjob from free lancer. So I don't think this is a new practice or uncommon to be selective of customers.

If the WL is not happy, then service will be bad... So WL welfare should be a top priority for the brothel boss.

But to be fair, the population of Chinese looking customers are higher in Asia than in Australia, so the bosses here gotta look after the their business also.

[wilisno]

I was referring to establishments in some parts of Asia. Those countries that I have had the opportunity to punt in. A lot of the establishments have very good welfare for the WL, the entire street(s) will not entertain non-Chinese looking clients including Caucasians. In japan even worse... Only serve japanese clients only. I had to go thru a japanese friend to get a simple blowjob from free lancer. So I don't think this is a new practice or uncommon to be selective of customers.

If the WL is not happy, then service will be bad... So WL welfare should be a top priority for the brothel boss.

But to be fair, the population of Chinese looking customers are higher in Asia than in Australia, so the bosses here gotta look after the their business also.
Fair enough ! The theory doesn't apply to Australia though !

[Bawal]

I thought most girls say that size does NOT really matter?
Perhaps, it's more to the customers attitude than anything else.

[Spe]

Yup... Australia is a free country. Maybe they need to relax the immigration laws to allow more horny men from China. :) LOL!

[Oneonone]

Don't disagree that ladies should be able to choose who they see and who they don't

But cant help but think of the stink there would be if an Aussie lady would only see Aussie customers.

I think there are double standards here.

[wilisno]

But cant help but think of the stink there would be if an Aussie lady would only see Aussie customers.

I think there are double standards here.
There are plenty of those, I personally had met a couple !

What about Aussie girl who only sees Asians ? So you can see there's nothing double standard about it ! ;) ;) ;)

[winky]

There are plenty of those, I personally had met a couple !

What about Aussie girl who only sees Asians ? So you can see there's nothing double standard about it ! ;) ;) ;)

Or aussie girls who would not see African Americans (supposedly the biggest of us all!!) where does it stop?

[Spe]

Frankly, I don't think there is a strong demand for western WL among Chinese looking men. I know some may try western girls for a occasional thrill and strike off their bucket list, but most Asian men will still go for Asian girls as the main course or their staple diet. It does not make a big fuss if western girls stop taking Asian customers.

[ouch]

It's not a big deal. Personal choice. Bosses generally don't make decision on who girl will or won't see based on race. More a respecting of girls wishes. As they the ones making boss their money. Some girls don't see their fellow countrymen just in case gct recognized . Just the same a few bad experiences with another race can put them off. Too rough not clean. Try to get freebies .or do things they shouldnt. So I never bother about it . Their body their choice.

[aussiegaigin]

Anyone who has studied the p4p scene in Japan would be aware that it is very difficult for a foreigner, esp non Asian and non Japanese speaker, to get service there from genuine J girls.

The problem is not racism per se, but the lack of understanding of J social culture by foreigners and the inability to communicate effectively.

[local]

now that becomes really debatable !!

This year I have been in Japan 3 times and each never had any problem.
I don't speak a word of Japanese either. Definately not asian. and not young.

Genuine J girls are easy to find, its just persistance and the right knowledge.
(& no, i am not inclined to share on this one).

[Djang0]

Anyone who has studied the p4p scene in Japan would be aware that it is very difficult for a foreigner, esp non Asian and non Japanese speaker, to get service there from genuine J girls.

The problem is not racism per se, but the lack of understanding of J social culture by foreigners and the inability to communicate effectively.

Been to Japan and 100% agree with you. Its not a matter of racism, its their culture and respect for Japanese men. It would take serious care and proper dating cycle to take a local jap girl home.


Anyone else in this forum saying that it is ok for the WL to choose, is wrong! Not by my opinion. In fact I agree, that WL or any lady should be able to choose. But in Australia (and most countries), It is against the law to refuse a customer based on gender, colour and disability without a genuine cause.

And anyone who receive money for any kind of service or product is considered a business operator serving a customer.

Again, I agree with you all in regards to WL should be free to choose but in technicality, they are not allowed to without a serious reason (having a tight pussy is not a serious reason! Because otherwise the argument would be that they are in a wrong business)

Lets think about it in a non hypocrite way. Most of us Australian are not happy with one specific religious community wearing certain clothing. These women are not even WLs or making money and still have to fight for their right to wear what they want to wear without being scrutinised. Yet we are saying a sex worker (with all due respect) has to be free to choose!

Law is a law and has to be obeyed by everyone living this this country irrespective of race, colour, religion and so on, as we are all equal with equal rights.

Best way for WLs to reject white men is to just not be available due to booking or whatever. Direct advertising of not serving non Asian is a wrong way to go in Australia.

[wilisno]

Anyone else in this forum saying that it is ok for the WL to choose, is wrong! Not by my opinion. In fact I agree, that WL or any lady should be able to choose. But in Australia (and most countries), It is against the law to refuse a customer based on gender, colour and disability without a genuine cause.


At least you know it's your opinion only !

It's against the law ? Which law ? Discrimination law ? I can't find a clause that states a prostitute is bound by law to have sex with anyone who pays !

In fact, it should be against the law to force a girl into having sex against her will !

And if you have read all the posts on this thread, you will know that it's not limited to Asians rejecting westerners, you can find Westerners rejecting Asians, Westerners rejecting Westerners, girls rejecting their own countrymen etc etc for all sorts of reasons ! Nothing against the law about that !

[aussiegaigin]

Been to Japan and 100% agree with you. Its not a matter of racism, its their culture and respect for Japanese men. It would take serious care and proper dating cycle to take a local jap girl home.


I am talking about going to a p4p establishment.

Picking up a girl for a date and taking her home is entirely different, and can be done with no problems at all. In fact Japan would be one of the easiest countries in the world to do this. I've been at it for nearly 30 years.

[Midnight_Prowl]

At least you know it's your opinion only !

It's against the law ? Which law ? Discrimination law ? I can't find a clause that states a prostitute is bound by law to have sex with anyone who pays !

In fact, it should be against the law to force a girl into having sex against her will !

And if you have read all the posts on this thread, you will know that it's not limited to Asians rejecting westerners, you can find Westerners rejecting Asians, Westerners rejecting Westerners, girls rejecting their own countrymen etc etc for all sorts of reasons ! Nothing against the law about that !

Bravo ~~~~~ Djang I cannot believe u think like that, just due to what they do, they suppose to get different treatment???

[Bracket]

It can work the other way too. I'm Caucasian and used to fuck a particular Japanese private lady up the arse, which she loved. On account of her being a permanent resident here, she refused to see Japanese clients in case their paths might cross socially.

[goulash]

I know at least one Korean girl who does the same: avoids Koreans. Come to think of it I knew a Chinese ML once in a cheap RNT shop that was scared shitless whenever she heard a customer come in speaking Chinese to the boss for fear of being recognised.

[Djang0]

At least you know it's your opinion only !

It's against the law ? Which law ? Discrimination law ? I can't find a clause that states a prostitute is bound by law to have sex with anyone who pays !

In fact, it should be against the law to force a girl into having sex against her will !

And if you have read all the posts on this thread, you will know that it's not limited to Asians rejecting westerners, you can find Westerners rejecting Asians, Westerners rejecting Westerners, girls rejecting their own countrymen etc etc for all sorts of reasons ! Nothing against the law about that !

As per my comment and "The Law", once anyone, ANY ONE, receive money for ANY service which is deemed as "Business", they are bound by discrimination law. In this case gender discrimination. You CANNOT reject a "Customer" based on gender in this country.

I didnt, but you are in term calling WLs a prostitute. Please look up "Prostitute" in dictionary (A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment. [Oxford Dictionary]).

You said and I quote:

In fact, it should be against the law to force a girl into having sex against her will !

Force? Are we talking about physical abuse here or a prostitute's (as you quote) rejection based on gender?

We are talking about the the willingness to serve in relation to gender discrimination. We are not talking about white men forcing WLs!

And yes I referred to Asian ladies because the subject of this post by the OP was titled "Asian customers only?". However, my remarks were in general and not concentrated to Asian WLs.

And yes everything is against the law about that beside, you dont need law to notice some sex worker is discriminating against gender. He or she could by all means reject to offer service by reasons such as customer's health, abusive manner, intoxication or possibility of physical harm but certainly not for skin colour.

In VIC if you might know, WLs have business registration and pay tax. Some even established a Pty Ltd company and have share holders (lol). What I said is more enforced on them as a business operator than Illegal workers in NSW. But what I tried to say was just a general view of rejecting men based on colour which is not appropriate.



Midnight_Prowl

Djang I cannot believe u think like that, just due to what they do, they suppose to get different treatment???

Whaaat? they suppose to get huh? what? Im lost! What are you referring to? I never said anything like that.

[Spe]

I wonder... If the WL and the establishment stipulates safe sex in their services but the customer insists on "rough" and "dirty" sex after paying... What does the law say? Can the WL reject?

[light016]

I did book a girl once who had Asian Clients only on her info. I booked through text and although it wasnt the first time I booked in that shop they still didnt screen or ask if I was indeed asian. Although I am south east asian but not chinese so when I arrived at the place the girl was slightly surprised. She didnt reject me or anything. I wouldnt mind if she declined my business it just means I will have to go somewhere else. Which in sydney is not very hard to do. But she did not and the service was OK but not that great even though she was very hot. I had the feeling like she didnt want to be there. And she spoke and understood very little english which did not help the situation and what might be one of the reasons for the Asian Clients only condition. I think the shop managers/assistants should put more effort into filtering their clients as well if they put in conditions like these on their ads.

[wilisno]

As per my comment and "The Law", once anyone, ANY ONE, receive money for ANY service which is deemed as "Business", they are bound by discrimination law. In this case gender discrimination. You CANNOT reject a "Customer" based on gender in this country.

I didnt, but you are in term calling WLs a prostitute. Please look up "Prostitute" in dictionary (A person, typically a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment. [Oxford Dictionary]).

You said and I quote:

In fact, it should be against the law to force a girl into having sex against her will !

Force? Are we talking about physical abuse here or a prostitute's (as you quote) rejection based on gender?

We are talking about the the willingness to serve in relation to gender discrimination. We are not talking about white men forcing WLs!

And yes I referred to Asian ladies because the subject of this post by the OP was titled "Asian customers only?". However, my remarks were in general and not concentrated to Asian WLs.

And yes everything is against the law about that beside, you dont need law to notice some sex worker is discriminating against gender. He or she could by all means reject to offer service by reasons such as customer's health, abusive manner, intoxication or possibility of physical harm but certainly not for skin colour.

In VIC if you might know, WLs have business registration and pay tax. Some even established a Pty Ltd company and have share holders (lol). What I said is more enforced on them as a business operator than Illegal workers in NSW. But what I tried to say was just a general view of rejecting men based on colour which is not appropriate.


[/b]

Whaaat? they suppose to get huh? what? Im lost! What are you referring to? I never said anything like that.
You quote Oxford Dictionary ? Does it say a prostitute has to have sex with anyone who pays ?

If you still don't understand the situation, let explain to you once more !

Rejecting customer based on their race is not limited to Asian against Westerners, all over the place, it's not uncommon that Westerbers rejecting Asians, Westerner rejecting Westerner, Asian rejecting Asian and so on ... need I say more ?

And for your explanation only, to force a girl to accept your booking doesn't have to be done physically, the key word is : " Against Her Will ".

The difference is Asian customers just take the business somewhere else instead of whinging about it. Because if the girl serves you reluctantly, it won't be a good punt anyway.

[Djang0]

You quote Oxford Dictionary ? Does it say a prostitute has to have sex with anyone who pays ?

You are asking irrelevant question to the initial matter raised by yourself! Dont include subjectivity of the meaning. The meaning itself was justified in the dictionary and was not subject to decision by the worker.


If you still don't understand the situation, let explain to you once more !

Im sorry ive smoked too much weed, I almost lost all my brain cells! Please do explain...


Rejecting customer based on their race is not limited to Asian against Westerners, all over the place, it's not uncommon that Westerbers rejecting Asians, Westerner rejecting Westerner, Asian rejecting Asian and so on ... need I say more ?

This I agree with you 100% and thats the point I have been trying to make. I am not stereotyping Asian WLs here. I repeatedly mentioned "Anyone" including westerns (as you put it).


And for your explanation only, to force a girl to accept your booking doesn't have to be done physically, the key word is : " Against Her Will ".

The difference is Asian customers just take the business somewhere else instead of whinging about it. Because if the girl serves you reluctantly, it won't be a good punt anyway

That's ok but since she is taking money for a service, she/he cannot reject a client based on skin colour or race. Not only its against the law (and here im not just referring to sex workers), its also immoral, disgusting and discriminating specially in Australia.

However (pay attention here), she/he can still reject men by saying, that im rejecting because I feel that he/she has health issues or looks like he is abusive, or im just kinda scared of his appearance since he looks intoxicated or westerner's penis make me uncomfortable because its too big or whatever. Even if the issue is non of these, she can use any of these reasons to avoid sounding like an immoral prick by explicitly denying service based on race.

And as for western WLs rejecting Asian men, I am just disgusted the same way and that should also not happen. Yes as you said, they are the sex workers and can say what they like, but in that case, they are not any better than other gangs or activist groups who follows racism and preach discrimination.

We are becoming a society aware of the issues associated with gender/race discrimination. This country has welcomed Asians, Africans, Arabs, Indians and all other races and has treated them as one. If any race would like to be explicitly exclusive to the same race then they can leave this country and go back to where they can be exclusive to their own race. Because here, we are all one and there are no race differences.

Finally, this debate is being posted on the wrong forum! I am ending it now. lol
Lets all catch up for a punt and have beer after. :cool2:

[wilisno]

You are asking irrelevant question to the initial matter raised by yourself! Dont include subjectivity of the meaning. The meaning itself was justified in the dictionary and was not subject to decision by the worker.



Im sorry ive smoked too much weed, I almost lost all my brain cells! Please do explain...



This I agree with you 100% and thats the point I have been trying to make. I am not stereotyping Asian WLs here. I repeatedly mentioned "Anyone" including westerns (as you put it).



That's ok but since she is taking money for a service, she/he cannot reject a client based on skin colour or race. Not only its against the law (and here im not just referring to sex workers), its also immoral, disgusting and discriminating specially in Australia.

However (pay attention here), she/he can still reject men by saying, that im rejecting because I feel that he/she has health issues or looks like he is abusive, or im just kinda scared of his appearance since he looks intoxicated or westerner's penis make me uncomfortable because its too big or whatever. Even if the issue is non of these, she can use any of these reasons to avoid sounding like an immoral prick by explicitly denying service based on race.

And as for western WLs rejecting Asian men, I am just disgusted the same way and that should also not happen. Yes as you said, they are the sex workers and can say what they like, but in that case, they are not any better than other gangs or activist groups who follows racism and preach discrimination.

We are becoming a society aware of the issues associated with gender/race discrimination. This country has welcomed Asians, Africans, Arabs, Indians and all other races and has treated them as one. If any race would like to be explicitly exclusive to the same race then they can leave this country and go back to where they can be exclusive to their own race. Because here, we are all one and there are no race differences.

Finally, this debate is being posted on the wrong forum! I am ending it now. lol
Lets all catch up for a punt and have beer after. :cool2:
The only paragraph that makes sense is your last paragraph !

As you said, WLs can reject a customer by making up some stories. That's exactly what we don't want to happen. If the girls won't line up for you, you won't get excited about her then get frustrated after you pick her and get rejected.

If this is your idealism, you should also post the same rant about Western WLs on forums like PunterPlanet that specialize in western WLs !

In the meantime, there's nothing you can do about it. If it's against the law as you reckon, the law would have dealt with this issue long time ago !

[babelx]

I think 5* (City and Marrickville) prefers asian customers. Am I right?

In SE Asia, indians and arabs are discriminated against, by the whole society in general, not just WLs.

In Australia, everyone is discriminated (non-white) but it's not strong because the whites get officially trumped by the aborigines. So overall overt discrimination is quite low. It also depends on area. Some areas which are sheltered and mono-ethnic in composition, would be a little less tolerant of 'others'.

Overall though, Australia is a great country to be an outsider.

I think a WL can ask a customer to leave/not give service but only charge for the services already provided. Internal reason can be 'This guy is black so must have a huge boner' but she can just state 'he looked threatening'. That would be completely legit.

[wilisno]

I think 5* (City and Marrickville) prefers asian customers. Am I right?

In SE Asia, indians and arabs are discriminated against, by the whole society in general, not just WLs.

In Australia, everyone is discriminated (non-white) but it's not strong because the whites get officially trumped by the aborigines. So overall overt discrimination is quite low. It also depends on area. Some areas which are sheltered and mono-ethnic in composition, would be a little less tolerant of 'others'.

Overall though, Australia is a great country to be an outsider.

I think a WL can ask a customer to leave/not give service but only charge for the services already provided. Internal reason can be 'This guy is black so must have a huge boner' but she can just state 'he looked threatening'. That would be completely legit.
Only 2 things that have to be corrected in your post !

Firstly, there's only one 5*, 5* City at Wooloomooloo, the Marrickville one is called Marrickville 5 ! They are unrelated !

Secondly, it's not that 5* prefers Asians or anything like that, there are lots of Aussie regular customers there, just that some girls who specify Asian only, and they will not lineup for Westerners to avoid embarrassment.

Australia is tolerant to this because most people wouldn't think this has anything to do with discrimination !

[Spe]

Personally, I think Australians and Asians will never be able to understand each other's meaning of "discrimination".

Australians look at life as if there is discrimination everywhere when they are just everyday business terms and conditions. They tend to stand and fight for no reason and leave the shop unhappy.

Asians have been brought up abiding to unreasonable terms and conditions and accept this as a way of life. If we are not happy with the terms and conditions we just move on and go to the next shop.

That's why Asians can live and punt anywhere.

[Djang0]

girls who specify Asian only, and they will not lineup for Westerners to avoid embarrassment.!

That changes the whole debate! I was under the impression that the OP stated, that WL explicitly refused him based on being Aussie. If you say that some Asian WLs dont even attend the line up to avoid embarrassment, then that is perfectly understandable.

[wilisno]

That changes the whole debate! I was under the impression that the OP stated, that WL explicitly refused him based on being Aussie. If you say that some Asian WLs dont even attend the line up to avoid embarrassment, then that is perfectly understandable.
That's what's been going on in the industry all the while !!!

They either don't lineup for you or they would specify Asian only on their website so that you don't have to book !