RnT vs FS... good experiences vs bad punts

[Spe]

For those bros who visit both RnT and FS shops, what are your experiences? What are the chances of bad punts in RnT vs FS?

[Bawal]

Worst exp you could have in RnT shops is a bad massage. But in FS shops, u just stare at each other or leave until the time is up.

[Oneonone]

Its possible to have a bad punt in both RnT and FS.

The best way to limit you chances of having a bad punt is to do your homework first and check out the shop and the girl on here before you go.

And of course always go with a good attitude, be a gentleman, treat the girl right and stick within her boundaries.

Happy punting.

[Spe]

Worst exp you could have in RnT shops is a bad massage. But in FS shops, u just stare at each other or leave until the time is up.

Yes... I tend to agree with bro bawal. My own experience is that the worse that can happen in RnT is a weak or bad massage. But for bad FS really you can't do anything... Can't touch, can't suck, can't kiss and can't use "excessive" force. LOL...

[the_boss_king]

i like the RNT shops better. this mainly because its a lot cleaner, and the girls are a lot prettier.
with that being said, it already gives me a better time than a FS shop where the light is dim and some shops just look dirty.

[RoyalFlush]

Rnt costs $50. For an extra $40 you can get it upgraded to FS and sometimes massage included too. Thats why I never do rnt. I dont like the thought of being jerked off by a girl coz I can do it myself, it's a lot better to have sex with her.

[wilisno]

Rnt costs $50. For an extra $40 you can get it upgraded to FS and sometimes massage included too. Thats why I never do rnt. I dont like the thought of being jerked off by a girl coz I can do it myself, it's a lot better to have sex with her.
Cost and service aside, the quality of girls is another factor. To say MLs are prettier is simply stretching the fact, in fact, more than 60% of MLs wouldn't make the cut to be in the higher end FS shops !

[AHLUNGOR]

The only way you can compare the chance of getting a bad punt between RnT and FS is a common ground and there ain't too many as the two are quite different .

But I do have one common theme for both and it always works !

Why do you guys think I like to see big tits girls ? Because if everything else should fail , The Spanish could still be pretty good !!

If I am seeing an A cupper for RnT and she can't give a strong massage, doesnt have sensual hands and won't suck cock - I am basically stuffed - but if she has 36 DD Cups - bingo! I have plenty to play with and big tits to fuck , I'll be back !!

And you can imagine the FS side can't you ?

Just my 38 cents

Cheers

[Spe]

The only way you can compare the chance of getting a bad punt between RnT and FS is a common ground and there ain't too many as the two are quite different .

But I do have one common theme for both and it always works !

Why do you guys think I like to see big tits girls ? Because if everything else should fail , The Spanish could still be pretty good !!

If I am seeing an A cupper for RnT and she can't give a strong massage, doesnt have sensual hands and won't suck cock - I am basically stuffed - but if she has 36 DD Cups - bingo! I have plenty to play with and big tits to fuck , I'll be back !!

And you can imagine the FS side can't you ?

Just my 38 cents

Cheers

For that matter, should I take it for granted that Spanish is standard for big boobs girls? Can I just assume they will provide Spanish? Or should I initiate and just grab them and start rubbing? Hahaha... I know some FS girls charge extra for Spanish... Can you believe it? Crazy.

[AHLUNGOR]

For that matter, should I take it for granted that Spanish is standard for big boobs girls? Can I just assume they will provide Spanish? Or should I initiate and just grab them and start rubbing? Hahaha... I know some FS girls charge extra for Spanish... Can you believe it? Crazy.



No brother Spe,

Of course you should never take things for granted, especially in a RnT shop.

For a FS shop, I would assume that tits fuck should always be included in the basic fees, put it this way, I have never been turned down or been asked to pay more.

With a RnT shop, any session where body to body is included, the MLs would have given you some spanish anyway, it's just a matter of prolonging that segment till completion !!

If you are only getting a nude HJ then you may have to play it by ear, if the MLs rubs her tits on you and your cock with oil, then it's a good sign, and you should be able to take it further from there. But if the MLs is showing lots of restrictions like no kissing, no touching below or no finger and no sucking, no touching nipples - too sore/too sensitive then the sign is not good.

Again, I think I have been very very lucky that I was never rejected - just as well, I don't think I will take rejection too well.................lol

Once again, be gentle and be generous and polite will go a long way in getting your way.

Cheers

:smile:

[ra00wrey]

Rnt costs $50. For an extra $40 you can get it upgraded to FS and sometimes massage included too. Thats why I never do rnt. I dont like the thought of being jerked off by a girl coz I can do it myself, it's a lot better to have sex with her.

But what if you just want to relax and not do a thing?!

I've been to both and like other brothers have said, both can go wry. But after a long day, RnT all the way.

[Djang0]

Ive been to a FS shop and had the worst sex of my life with a mid aged woman, then I asked her to just give me RnT which ended up being the best RnT to date! Also most RnT places ive visited since, have beautiful young MLs who could stand on top demanding part of FS industry. Im not into big tits or Spanish, I wouldn't mind a good RnT and bj and these RnT shops can fulfils that for me.

[kido]

I stopped going to RnT. I don’t like the bullshit of having to figure out what I can get away with, what the boundaries are. And the HJ is something I find useless to pay for. I was seeing a sexy 24 yr old for several months cpl years ago I met at a RnT. She went back to China. I aint found anyone to match her yet...

[negi]

totally agree with bro kido,

I am officially have promised myself not to go to any RnT K-joints, there are so many bullshits that just made me feel totally annoyed and felt totally ripped-off/cheated of my money, bad management, moody MLs with inconsistent service, extreme KPS, last minute cancellation without being told, left myself bored to death waiting for line-up in a stuffy room without any TV and any indication when the line up going to be, MLs turn-down light pitch black till you cannot see anything and dictate you around to face down face down, cant touch anything, no kiss, freezing cold treatment, MLs see you with so much hate till you wonder are they in the wrong line of business, MLs try to cheat on time, ML flash intro which lead you to mistakenly picked her (on closer look is ugly pick).............just too many annoying things, with ended up unpleasant experiences, frequent arguments, and money down the drain, so much for a profession which is supposed to be more on customer focus, aiming in providing customers' pleasure?
In the past there has been good moments, but with only less than 10% pleasant experiences, same with MOC................no more!!

[garfield]

I stopped going to RnT. I don’t like the bullshit of having to figure out what I can get away with, what the boundaries are. And the HJ is something I find useless to pay for. I was seeing a sexy 24 yr old for several months cpl years ago I met at a RnT. She went back to China. I aint found anyone to match her yet...

You need to enjoy the massage or sensual touch for going to RnT, otherwise FS shop would be better for you.

[wilisno]

You need to enjoy the massage or sensual touch for going to RnT, otherwise FS shop would be better for you.
True ! Or the unqualified MLs might do you more harm than good !

[negi]

K-joints RnT shops, too many bullshits! that's just nicely summarized it.

[gggi]

I've never had a truly bad experience at a Korean place. I love sensual body to body, but am not *too* fussed about actual massage skills, so I appreciate being able to see a lineup (which doesn't happen in a lot of other RnT places), and have usually been able to pick someone that fulfils the requirements of a scorching hot girl rubbing her oiled body all over you and getting you off relatively modestly while doing that. If that core experience of Korean B2B doesn't float your boat, just don't go!

It's all about finding the right balance. My fave K-girl, Sarah from Juliet, was so pretty, a great conversationalist and managed the whole experience so well within her clear boundaries that even though her expertise in any particular area probably didn't compete with many, I think she outshone the others. She tends to turn the lights pretty low, but this is great fodder for more banter: when I said "fuck you're gorgeous," she'd whisper "I look better in the dark" while she sucked my earlobes, which made me squirm all the harder when her pretty mouth sucked my penis so demurely later in the hour.

Respect goes a long way when you're exploring deeper. I've never tried for FS at a massage shop, or experienced anything as wild as cmk76's mysterious adventures, but I do enjoy exploring possibilities with girls whose limits are more vague. Sometimes I've ended up in a wild 69 and deep fingering at the drop of a hat. If a lack of certainty pisses you off, then RnT clearly isn't your thing. Don't expect crazy shit from the best looking MLs, simply because they're so pretty that they don't have to do any of it. That's why they're in massage, and not FS ladies.

I don't see MLs these days, but I still appreciate (from a distance) the sensual massage form for what it is. We need to respect this essential form, even if we might push its boundaries every time. If you walk into a massage session fixating on things that are the core of another kind of practise — e.g. penis-in-vagina sex, or the feeling that you're lovers (which might involve kissing, or more obviously mutual stuff that undercuts the idea of a scripted service) — you're most likely going to miss what makes it so tantalising and distinctive. You might get these in a RnT shop but they're not what they're really about.

[negi]

bro gggi, you are describing the scenario on what RnT suppose to be which is the fair ideal world, fair to both side ...punters and MLs, which what i said before, I did experienced the good moment, although only 10% of my numerous visits to RnT.

In real world, we know the existence of strong KPS, which is unprovoked, to be honest I am a very gentle person and not bad looking, keep myself in shape, no body odour and well presented, but sometimes girls with KPS doesnt care about the meaning of the fairness of providing standard agreed service (as you mentioned above, nothing more nothing less) and just gave you shit! trust me, i often come out from the shops feeling shitty, tense neck, tired and wish that I have donated the money to charity instead.

Most of the girl, even though you are gentle to them and you try to make conversation to break conversation, will just give you the coldest shitty treatment, yes the good ones will do like what you described above, but let me tell you those gems are only less than 10 percent, i have been in this game of frequenting RnT K-joints for more than 5 years, it is very difficult to find new gem, lots of effort involved, including building rapport with managers, investing in time just to get line-up to see the girl etc etc.
if you just come to see line-up no matter how frequent you come, you will not find any gem/good MLs as they all booked up and the managers attitude is they wont give a damn shit to help you, you just have to frequently and patiently asked them to fish out information from them and be patient with their aloof arrogant attitudes.

Honestly? when you spend $125/$165/$255 will you be satisfied of just getting a glimpses of naked body in the dark, and pathetic handjob? no kiss or even sucking of boobs...really?? you can't even remember the girl's face even after 1 hr session as 90percent of the time the ML will try to make sure your face down, and the most annoying thing for majority of MLs, they even rudely tell you to come faster if you don't come fast enough,
I never cross-boundary with MLs, but it will stupid for not standing up for your right and just be quiet when being ripped off of your hard earned cash

And I am sure I am not the only one here that experienced that.

[negi]

by the way bro gggi, if you know any good current gems MLs please do let us know, it is a valuable information

[gggi]

Wow, my experience is exactly the opposite. Maybe I'm very lucky — I had very few duds at Korean shops. I never went that often, and I had serial regulars whom I'd book, and then mix that up occasionally with lineups. Seemed to work for me, but that was once every few weeks, because my sex drive and cash reserves are both pretty medium!

The closest I had to what I understand of classic KPS was the gentle redirection of wandering hands, but not always for long. I take a while to come, so perhaps girls let me suck their boobs (despite any earlier swatting) because they know it'll help me over the edge quicker! It's all a game.

Anyway, I'm a bit skeptical of the KPS phenomenon. Yes, I've noticed that extremely pretty Korean girls tend to have much clearer boundaries than a lot of other girls in the sex industry. I respect that. I don't doubt there are girls who are shitty — this happens in the sex industry. (These Korean places *seem* pretty respectable, but that's only because they make lots of money. From what I've heard, a lot of the FOB girls are in a non-ideal situation where their landlord is also their boss, and are fined heavily it they don't turn up to work on time, which is pretty unfair for unwaged cash in hand work, I must say. So I do expect workers to have the shits.)

But I've never encountered any particular shittiness in the room, just some distance. Sarah from Juliet was never that demonstrative to me (and she always avoided my boob sucking attempts!), but her professional super-hotness was worth it, as well as the great banter. She was simply great to be with, even if her limits were cheerfully defined.

The girls who succeed in this particular type of service are those who can communicate their limits without being rude, or those who have no clear limits, and provide hot extras at their discretion. The ones in between — girls who can't stop guys touching off-limits places without panicking or getting angry, or girls who'll desperately provide every crazy extra without discrimination — can't really do this type of work for long.

Meanwhile, my sum total of words to K-shop receptionists is typically "no / yes / number 3 / 45". I have zero rapport with them. If a girl doesn't look like they want to be there, don't choose her from the lineup. Conversely, if a girl is trying too hard to get your attention, she's probably not getting much work, and for a reason. I just chose the chilled out, relatively pretty ones. I don't think I'm particularly high in the emotional intelligence stakes, but I haven't gone too wrong with reading these situations.

Sometimes the looks or technical quality of service aren't the best, but girls make up for it by just being nice people, and it's cool to be naked and have orgasms with nice people, isn't it? The last Juliet ML I saw, Bella, fit this category. She was adorable. Not a stunner or a handjob expert, but fun to be with for an hour, and to be honest I just needed to use someone to get my mind off someone else in the real world, but ended up having a lovely time, which didn't help my love life, but that's another story. My hands did wander a bit and she was relatively modest in response, and I even decided to help her as she stroked me to completion, because she was really putting the effort in. Teamwork! It wasn't a question of being a bad HJ and me getting pissed off, it felt like a cumshot in a porno, as if it was natural for me to finish myself off.

After I spurted all over her belly from our combined efforts, she held my head in her hands and exclaimed, "I REALLY LIKE YOU! Thanks for seeing me again!" She skipped to the shower to wash my semen off her abdomen and blurted, "Sing something for me!" REALLY? So nice.

Now you might think I'm a deluded git who doesn't know how to insist on good service. But I *have* had total wastes of my time at other types of shop, which have left me thinking "WTF?". The reason I don't do massage these days is because I had an unbelievably craptastic experience at Silver Fox, after which I said, "fuck this shit, I'm finding a glamorous FS hooker to get over the trauma of that experience!" This led me to find someone who now fulfils all my desires, so I no longer need to visit RnT shops!

[s0019]

For RnT it just really to hard to figure out what has been allowed and there is no common sense here all the time. Today there is no much finical gap between an hour RnT and half hour FS. So you get more chance to try out more to build you own ideal.