Girls with unrealistic expectations

[Good_guy_Greg]

So I know two girls (both Asian) who I think have very unrealistic expectations. The first is 33 years old, average looking, at best 6/10. She is slim with maybe b size cups. She keeps going out to bars every Friday night to try to meet investment bankers. She's been doing this for years and has never even chatted to one, so not sure what makes her think things will change any time soon.

What I think she doesn't realise, and please correct me if I'm wrong here bros, is that an investment banker around her age could (and probably does) pull girls a lot younger and a lot more attractive. Also, even if she managed to pull one, I doubt he would be faithful to her, because as we all know, we are all only as faithful as our options, and a man with much money has many options. She seems to think some rich guy will magically fall in love with her and give her all his love and money. I'm really amused when she talks to me about her plans (dreams).

The second girl is 30 years old, a lot more presentable, maybe a 7 or 7.5/10, slim, maybe a or b cup. She wants to meet a business owner who owns several businesses (she doesn't care what they are). She wants to marry a guy who is rich enough so that she doesn't necessarily have to work, as she wants to work only when she feels like it.

She keeps 'liking' this one guy on her facebook because he has several businesses. I am friends with this guy too and see that he knows some very attractive girls. Although this girl is presentable like I said, she is only at best 7.5/10 whereas the other girls this guy knows are like 8-9/10.

Again, as I sit there and listen to her talk about this stuff, I keep thinking about such a guy out there - first of all he is most probably taken. I know a few guys who run their own businesses and all married young (their girlfriends were smart enough to lock them in early). Secondly, I think these guys would be quite smart, and would know when a girl only likes them for the money. Third, like with the other girl, I doubt a guy with heaps of money is going to be faithful as she describes. I know a guy who makes a tonne of money, and behind his wife's back, he is juggling two girlfriends at the same time, even flying one into Australia for a bit of fun.

What's interesting about this second girl is she told me she turned down a 32 year old IT guy who made $130k per year. Seriously, you gotta be doing pretty well to be making $130k, so since when did that become not enough to get a girlfriend??

So to all bros out there, do you think these are unrealistic expectations? Do you meet many girls like this with unrealistic expectations? Do you think they are the majority or minority? Do you see them getting what they want eventually? What happens to those who don't? Do they settle into an unhappy marriage?

[Max Impact]

ttt I never heard of this before.

What nationality are the girls? Chinese?

[Good_guy_Greg]

Yes Chinese.

[Max Impact]

How did I know that?

I just had to be sure. But I was certain they weren't Japanese.

[CunningLinguist]

Girls from every country, including Australia and Japan, do the same thing. The gold-digger percentages will vary from time to time and country to country. Seems as though Max believes the GFE he gets from J-Girls is real :)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/1085755-american-men-married-japanese-women-5.html

This Japanese woman did as many foreign women do...she played on the geisha girl stereotype to land a White American husband, then she popped out a few kids (to make sure that she would get child support along with alimony $$$ should anything happen) She showed her true colors...the OP is now seeing the real person that he married....he has to pay $$$ to play!

This guy I know is in Japan and admits many of the women are gold diggers

http://forum.gaijinpot.com/forum/living-in-japan/relationships/62342-japanese-women-feel-gold-digging-is-just-part-of-the-new-dating-culture

Japanese Women Feel Gold Digging Is Just Part of the New Dating Culture

http://au.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-shes-a-gold-digger_10.html

Note I don't think J-girls are more likely than other girls to be gold-diggers.

[Max Impact]

Girls from every country, including Australia and Japan, do the same thing. The gold-digger percentages will vary from time to time and country to country. Seems as though Max believes the GFE he gets from J-Girls is real :)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/1085755-american-men-married-japanese-women-5.html



http://forum.gaijinpot.com/forum/living-in-japan/relationships/62342-japanese-women-feel-gold-digging-is-just-part-of-the-new-dating-culture


http://au.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-signs-shes-a-gold-digger_10.html

Note I don't think J-girls are more likely than other girls to be gold-diggers.

You are creepy. Can you even get a girl? Please leave me alone.

[Oneonone]

Everyone like to dream just most of us keep it to ourselves.

Sometimes though you got to be a bit practical about what sort of partner you can actually get.

Still nothing ventured nothing gained.

[kingwally]

It's not just money either. I think women in australia have unrealistic expectations overall. It's to be expected that most women would want to partner up with a guy who is at a similar social standing, financial position, appearance and education as themselves, but women here tend to punch way above their game. I'm mid 30's, own a couple of businesses and make well into the 6 figure territory, nearly have my first house paid off, tall, european background, well educated and travelled, easy on the eye and consider myself to be a considerate and caring partner but it's quite a mission to get a decent girlfriend here. I'm not in any hurry. Woman here really are very choosy with who they'll date. It's not enough to have all the above, they also want you to dress well, drive a nice car, dance, sing etc etc....

And we're not talking about 10's here, for whom you'd have to be, well, an international male supermodel to date... we're talking about average women. Those who are in their late 20's/early 30's, maybe 6's or 7's, have some sort of employment (office worker etc), graduated from a lower class uni and really don't have a whole lot to offer as a life partner besides their failing looks. Like a lot of guys I find myself increasingly taking my game overseas where women are just generally happier to have a nice guy who isn't 3 times their age, has a job and doesn't slap them around.This is the best post that I have read in years !!! Very realistic about women in Australia now. I am quite old now and have met many women over my life and have only met one woman who didn't care if you didn't have anything...and she was an alcoholic. They all want to find a guy that has money or status.

[Good_guy_Greg]

They all want to find a guy that has money or status.

I've known this for a long time, but what really amazes me is HOW MUCH money and status they EXPECT. Like I said, apparently a guy on $130k/year is not good enough, and the bro above with several businesses is not good enough either!

[loaded]

It's free to dream. Let them keep dreaming.

[max_power]

Girls have this magical belief of marrying a rich guy and being set for life. For some it's happened but the ratio of women dreaming and chasing this to rich available men is by far different.

[CunningLinguist]

Girls have this magical belief of marrying a rich guy and being set for life. For some it's happened but the ratio of women dreaming and chasing this to rich available men is by far different.

I think it all starts with the childrens stories of being swept away by a handsome prince, eg. the little mermaid :)

[daveo123]

It depends on the girl. Having money helps but it's not a deal breaker.

[joeenders]

My first post guys, and I've chosen this thread instead of an AR as it's a very interesting topic. To a certain extent, I agree with the OP's viewpoints though I must say I think it's a trait of asian girls than any other nationality. Asian women are pre-occupied with marrying up in social standing and money is the be all and end all. Various studies have shown that this is instilled from young ages (eg. Life at 7 series: 7yo kids are asked what's important in your life? White kids say Love/Happiness - asians say Money). For caucasian women (I'm married to one, and I'm asian), what's important is your sense of humour, looks/physique, exude confidence and financial stability - if I may point out my view of the key expectations of Australian women. The 'asian' bucket I think would include all asian women incl. Japanese, esp. Koreans & HK, Indian, and even Middle Eastern.

In terms of punching above their weight, I think it could be attribute to age and where the woman is at in her life. I think it's true in both men & women, we become pickier as we become wiser and that could be construed by the opposite sex as being trying too hard. And it's even more true in Australia as we're a prosperous country with opportunities in abundance therefore the natural thinking is that there's gotta be proportionally just as many successful males available for hunting. It's a sad reality and makes expectations between the sexes even more disparate. Given how long they've waited for their 'prince' to come along, I think they'd be less inclined to 'settle' for less so I'm expecting the single 30+ women to only increase even more.

[dohdoe]

I know a few guys who run their own businesses and all married young (their girlfriends were smart enough to lock them in early).

What's interesting about this second girl is she told me she turned down a 32 year old IT guy who made $130k per year. Seriously, you gotta be doing pretty well to be making $130k, so since when did that become not enough to get a girlfriend??

Do you think they are the majority or minority? Do you see them getting what they want eventually? What happens to those who don't? Do they settle into an unhappy marriage?
I would argue that those that married young are those that built up their wealth together.
The girls that are looking for the rich guy are those that only want to get to the end goal without actually working for it. I do see this in bankruptcy the ones that do go bankrupt stay together as they built up their wealth together while those that married their husbands after they became wealthy suddenly no longer love their husbands.

The 2nd girl you mention is interesting as she must still think that guys would do anything for her and still thinks she is in her early 20s. Much like how many guys think about wls or mls and think we'd tap that.

[AHLUNGOR]

Think Wendi Deng and there's your stereotype !!

But Rupert is a one in a billion catch though !

And what did Diana, Princess Mary, Grace Kelly, and Kate Middleton have in common ?

[aussiegaigin]

Don't forget Rose Hancock.

[outthere]

This is so funny. well yea I'm one of those rich guys with several business and yes. Girls (specially Chinese) come and start chatting to me in the clubs. It's funny because as soon I go into money details they care less about what I have to say they just agree to everything so.

The funny thing is that you can see all this bitches pretending to be nice and warm girls when in reality they are even worst.

I prefer to punt and "pay" my fucks so I dont have to be dealing wih stupid emotional dramas haha

[harmony]

I wont date a woman who doesnt earn a decent salary, and she needs to look like she is good at her job, likes her work

In this world of divorce with the woman talking half (if kids are involved), I want to know the lady isnt just looking for a meal ticket

More importantly, an intelligent skilled woman, is way more sexy to me that just having a great face and body (both of which will fade in beauty as we all know)

Although a slim body, and great smile are also important to me, at least when she is young

Oh, and most important, she has to NOT nag. I have been with a few women who dont nag, and a few who really DO nag, even though they are trying to help

The best partner is one who is understanding of you, even with your faults, and is never vicious in her criticism

Hmmm. Is it just women who are picky LOL

By the way, Bro Ahlungor mentioned Wendi Deng, who was intelligent and in a great job, and even she was a gold digger
I suppose this is natural for a woman to see dollar signs only, if they are marrying 70+ year old men with a billion dollars

[AHLUNGOR]

I wont date a woman who doesnt earn a decent salary, and she needs to look like she is good at her job, likes her work


By the way, Bro Ahlungor mentioned Wendi Deng, who was intelligent and in a great job, and even she was a gold digger
I suppose this is natural for a woman to see dollar signs only, if they are marrying 70+ year old men with a billion dollars


Hi Harmony,

Your first point: I know at least half a dozen super hot ladies who fit your descriptions, would you like to know which shops they are working at ??


As for Wendi Deng, yes, I think she is very intelligent and a very well educated and smart cookie in her own right, if she hadn't married Murdoch, she would probably had married some media/finance executive or Chinese official and live a very wealthy and comfortable life, but as Mrs Murdoch and has two daughters with the old man, that's priceless !!

[rgoh]

i have a friend on the other way round. Her boyfriend relied on her for financial assistance. He is a 30 year old working as helpdesk for the last 3 years not an imveatment banker. Her boyfriend is a caucasian while she is an okay chinese girl. They met in pub :)

[Miyamoto]

Outthere, what is it about how you look or act that gives away the fact you have money?

[dokleng]

I prefer to punt and "pay" my fucks so I dont have to be dealing wih stupid emotional dramas haha

Wise fella. As Tommy Earl Bruner in Baja Oklahoma put it: “If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it, don’t buy it.”

[dokleng]

Given how long they've waited for their 'prince' to come along, I think they'd be less inclined to 'settle' for less so I'm expecting the single 30+ women to only increase even more.

...aaaand there's your market for e-Harmony right there. :cool2:

[wilisno]

Once I heard a joke on the radio :

One guy said : It is said when James Howard Marshall, the billionaire, proposed to Anna Nicole Smith, he lied about his age !

The other guy : What ? He was 95yo when it happened, how much younger can he lie about, What difference does it make ?

The first guy : He said he was 105 ..... so Anna accepted straightaway.

[harmony]

"I know at least half a dozen super hot ladies who fit your descriptions, would you like to know which shops they are working at ??"

Haha, brother Ahlungor, always taking care of your friends here, arent you bro
Sounds like you are setting me up for marriage with one of your favourite ladies
After all, this is the 'marriage' thread

When I said the lady must love her job, then of course I should have just asked you bro, to play matchmaker for me

A massage at the end of a busy day certainly would make a husband happy lol
Which is the youngest on your list for me ?

But getting back on topic, streetwalker hit the nail on the head
If a lady is lucky enough to meet an old man who wants to marry her, good luck
I know if I am 95, and single, I will be using the Viagra, and AUS99, and not getting married, or even defacto
Leave my assets in my will to people I can trust

And as for Wendi Deng, if she hadnt met Rupert Murdoch, she may have ended up marrying Tony Blair, with whom she was allegedly having an affair with while she was with Mr Murdoch:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601626/Rupert-Murdoch-opens-ex-wife-Wendi-Dengs-love-note-Tony-Blair.html

Murdoch: (once I heard reports about Deng): a week later I filed for divorce. As soon as I could find a lawyer.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/10/article-2601626-1CFFF00900000578-687_634x920.jpg

[harmony]

By the way streetwalker, you say that women should look for a man to support her, to avoid working to age 70

I can see your point

I know a very rich Chinese man, who made money at home, then came to Australia, and made more money again
He married a lucky Chinese lady, back when he was on the mainland
They now both live in a huge mansion in the Inner West, Sydney
I think his wife still works, part time in his business, probably accounting or something, and has had 2 children

They are happy to sleep in separate bedrooms, and she is now twice the kg (from 50 to 90 kg)
As long as they are happy, I am happy

But if I am ever Bill Gates son-in-law, and my wife works part time or not at all, I would be paying for her expensive gym fees so she keeps in good shape for me
And she will share my bedroom

[Good_guy_Greg]

My first post guys

I always feel flattered when my threads bring out people's first posts lol.


I would argue that those that married young are those that built up their wealth together.
The girls that are looking for the rich guy are those that only want to get to the end goal without actually working for it. I do see this in bankruptcy the ones that do go bankrupt stay together as they built up their wealth together while those that married their husbands after they became wealthy suddenly no longer love their husbands.

Interesting, I never saw it like that but I tend to agree.


The 2nd girl you mention is interesting as she must still think that guys would do anything for her and still thinks she is in her early 20s. Much like how many guys think about wls or mls and think we'd tap that.

I think she is at the end of her 'prime'. From what I heard, the IT guy treated her very nice, took her to an expensive place on Valentine's day, always paid for her dinners, helped her with a lot of things. And all that for nothing lol.


What said on this topic is basically true. However you can't blame females for wanting to marry a partner who is wealthy.

My point wasn't that women were marrying for money, but just that they have unrealistic expectations. For example, I think the average Australian income is about $75k, so I think if a girl meets a guy who makes $100k, she is pretty lucky (assuming she makes much less than that). But from what I see a lot is, these girls pass on the $100k guy in hope of meeting a $1m guy. That is the point I am trying to make.

[harmony]

I agree with Greg
Dohdoe's quote is a great one !

"The girls that are looking for the rich guy are those that only want to get to the end goal without actually working for it. I do see this in bankruptcy the ones that do go bankrupt stay together as they built up their wealth together while those that married their husbands after they became wealthy suddenly no longer love their husbands."

I think that with the property prices rising exponentially, more women will be looking at your bank balance before committing
To some extent I dont blame them
But as I said, if the women cant earn a decent income, and is unskilled, there is nothing that she can offer me that is worth it for the long run (except maybe Bill Gates as a father lol)
Men therefore can also be choosy about incomes
Men shouldnt be fixated on beauty or sex, which will fade in significance as the lady ages

Mother nature has given women a time disadvantage - the clock is ticking on her reproductive lifespan - and they are conditioned to find a "provider". Fair enough
Men on the other hand, dont have this concern, and can father children well into their 70s or older

[illidanstormrage]

Awesome quote I took down a while ago pretty funny.

"Chinese women have strong family values and will hardly ever divorce, but are generally very materially and status oriented and bad in bed, so that’s a bit of a caveat.”
Having met a few Chinese born Chinese women in Australia (these cashed-up godless yellow heathen are buying up property here at quite a rate) I have concluded that despite being “family oriented” they approach family with a business model mindset. Take along a print out of your assets and your business plan and if you make the grade, you might get to bang her after an appropriate allocation of time, effort and money.

Not worth the trouble/effort. Look elsewhere."

But ultimately what this all comes down to is Sexual Market Value or SMV for short...

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

Realistic view:

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

Feminized view:

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/feminized_smv_curve.jpg

This is where the problem lies a lot of women don't realize it's imperative they take advantage of their prime years to lock down a good guy while they can. No man with any sense wants to partner up with a career women/carbon copy man. Men don't need competition from women, they need support.. a cheerleader someone feminine who will be the mother of their child. I feel sorry more for women as they have been lied to because they can't have their cake and eat it too.

[harmony]

Thanks illidanstormrage for your scientific information

"I feel sorry more for women as they have been lied to because they can't have their cake and eat it too"
Feminism certainly has made women more ambitious, and less willing to settle into marriage at a young age
That trend certainly doesnt work in their favour, but overall Im sure women do try to find a decent guy, and settle down
Some things dont change
As another generalisation, its the men who dont want to settle down, and its when the woman gets pregnant, that the man chooses to hang up his pool cue

I have dated a few Chinese ladies, and one currently is spending every weekend looking at property
Another one joined a dating site, and joined a group called "Farmers looking for a date". True
But this is a very limited sample, probably not a fair way to describe a large group of people of course

But as you know, China is a big place. Its not possible to say that all Chinese women are the same
But on the other hand, is it true that land in China cant be bought, but just leased, so there definitely is that different Chinese mentality about wealth and property
Lets face it, there is also the Chinese custom of hongbao, with the money in red envelopes, that is not seen in Western culture, and that idea is centred around money

The question I ask you, and Im talking nonworking ladies, is why does that generalisation exist, that Chinese women are bad in bed
Is there a cultural reason for that generalisation of Chinese partners not being good in bed ?
In my limited experience, in terms of girlfriends, I have found Japanese, Thai much more willing and responsive in bed, than Chinese or Korean girlfriends, in terms of the range of things they will do (BBBJ, interest in sex, etc)
Just my 2 cents

Im talking about nonworking Chinese ladies. Chinese WL have a great attitude

[Good_guy_Greg]

Awesome quote I took down a while ago pretty funny.

"Chinese women have strong family values and will hardly ever divorce, but are generally very materially and status oriented and bad in bed, so that’s a bit of a caveat.”
Having met a few Chinese born Chinese women in Australia (these cashed-up godless yellow heathen are buying up property here at quite a rate) I have concluded that despite being “family oriented” they approach family with a business model mindset. Take along a print out of your assets and your business plan and if you make the grade, you might get to bang her after an appropriate allocation of time, effort and money.

Not worth the trouble/effort. Look elsewhere."

But ultimately what this all comes down to is Sexual Market Value or SMV for short...

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

Realistic view:

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

Feminized view:

https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/feminized_smv_curve.jpg

This is where the problem lies a lot of women don't realize it's imperative they take advantage of their prime years to lock down a good guy while they can. No man with any sense wants to partner up with a career women/carbon copy man. Men don't need competition from women, they need support.. a cheerleader someone feminine who will be the mother of their child. I feel sorry more for women as they have been lied to because they can't have their cake and eat it too.

lol awesome post and graphs, you summed up my point beautifully.

But do you guys feel our prime is 35-40? I always thought it was 30.

[Good_guy_Greg]

Lets face it, there is also the Chinese custom of hongbao, with the money in red envelopes, that is not seen in Western culture, and that idea is centred around money

On this point, is it true that when you marry a HK girl, you have to give her mother a red envelope of $100,000HKD? This is what a HK girl told me and I was just shell shocked...

[harmony]

haha, someone on here a while back said mens sexual prime is in the teenage years

An old cliche is "A man is not as old as he feels, but he is as old as the women that he feels"

Men reach their sexual peak at around 33, according to this article
http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/2013/06/health-myth-do-men-really-hit-their-sexual-peak-at-18.html

But a mans sexual peak, and general wellbeing peaks, are different

A mans financial earning peak is much older, in his 50s-60s

[illidanstormrage]

lol awesome post and graphs, you summed up my point beautifully.

But do you guys feel our prime is 35-40? I always thought it was 30.
Thank Rollo Tomassi. ;)

I think it depends on the guy. How well their financials are, mindset, etc whether they've trained their body throughout their twenties.

[Bose0412]

On this point, is it true that when you marry a HK girl, you have to give her mother a red envelope of $100,000HKD? This is what a HK girl told me and I was just shell shocked...

This is someone true, its based on the foundation of giving money back to her parents in order to show gratitude for raising their daughter. it is a old Chinese tradition which has evolved from objects to $$
Little note for your information 100k HKD is dirt cheap, some go over half a million to even property.

[Licker]

lol awesome post and graphs, you summed up my point beautifully.

But do you guys feel our prime is 35-40? I always thought it was 30.

May I ask?
Are you close to 30?

[Good_guy_Greg]

This is someone true, its based on the foundation of giving money back to her parents in order to show gratitude for raising their daughter. it is a old Chinese tradition which has evolved from objects to $$
Little note for your information 100k HKD is dirt cheap, some go over half a million to even property.

And they think they're not prostitutes lol.

But on a serious note, how many guys can afford: house, car, engagement ring, wedding, AND this fucking red pocket?!?!?!

[Licker]

haha, someone on here a while back said mens sexual prime is in the teenage years


Please note (and not just you Harmony), that a man's sexual prime and a man's sexual market value are two different things.
The first being the actual ability to perform (get it up and going 3-4 times an hour), which definitely happens during the teenage years.
The latter being the perception of those around you and often also the ability of a more matured man to consider others' pleasure rather than his own.

And there are other factors as well of course (like the wealth factor we've been talking), and some of these are not based on society and cultural perceptions, rather than pure instincts.
Look for example the gorillas, the gray back (the old alpha male leading the pack) is the preferred "partner", even though often the little gorillas are fathered by a younger male (who will be swiftly excommunicated from the group if caught).
Whatever superiority we may feel to other primates, deep down we are not that far from them.

[brotherfrancisofassisi]

The way I see it is that women don't really need the men anymore. They can work and earn nowadays. I'm not sure what they are after. Perhaps having a baby or two within a household.

I haven't met any gold diggers that I can discern. I would like to come across some for fun, though I tend to keep the info about my money secret. At the moment I can't fathom losing half. To anyone, let alone a temperamental woman.

I am trying to flesh out why I want a girlfriend. It seems simplistic but a lot of it comes down to sex on tap.

How far off the mark am i?

[dokleng]

I am trying to flesh out why I want a girlfriend. It seems simplistic but a lot of it comes down to sex on tap.
How far off the mark am i?

You said it yourself. It is simplistic. From which twisted dictionary did you get Companionship = "sex-on-tap"?

Certainly, there is more to enjoy about the fairer sex than just warm flesh?

[enigma775]

You said it yourself. It is simplistic. From which twisted dictionary did you get Companionship = "sex-on-tap"?

Certainly, there is more to enjoy about the fairer sex than just warm flesh?

I would say most guys find easier companionship with other guys.

[Diva]

This is the best post that I have read in years !!! Very realistic about women in Australia now. I am quite old now and have met many women over my life and have only met one woman who didn't care if you didn't have anything...and she was an alcoholic. They all want to find a guy that has money or status.

Haha...u met too many gals~~~
I thought no matter how poor the guy is , if he can focus on one gal for long time , he might have 50% chance to win.

The truth in Syd is ... Full of fast love~ they all think this gal don't like me coz I don't have money , but how much efforts they put in?! And those guys are not picky abt the gals looks, status? They wanna the similar level with them for sure and much better look than themselves...

They will not give a decent gal with 2/10 looks even one chance maybe...
$ and beauty ~
Btw, I never heared any gal talk to me like this from the hundreds I knew ...
They all stay with bf for some sort of true love , stay single or settled with a rich man without saying a word.

[cleetusvandamme]

Haha...u met too many gals~~~
I thought no matter how poor the guy is , if he can focus on one gal for long time , he might have 50% chance to win.

The truth in Syd is ... Full of fast love~ they all think this gal don't like me coz I don't have money , but how much efforts they put in?! And those guys are not picky abt the gals looks, status? They wanna the similar level with them for sure and much better look than themselves...

They will not give a decent gal with 2/10 looks even one chance maybe...
$ and beauty ~
Btw, I never heared any gal talk to me like this from the hundreds I knew ...
They all stay with bf for some sort of true love , stay single or settled with a rich man without saying a word.

Nice post!
Lot of guys bitching here about girls not liking them. I wonder how much they gave you guys out of 10!
Hang out with a girl and make a connection rather than expecting them to suck your dick like wls and you'll do much better ��

[Good_guy_Greg]

I thought no matter how poor the guy is , if he can focus on one gal for long time , he might have 50% chance to win.

Maybe, but the guy gets the short end of the stick there. He has to spend an enormous amount of time and money JUST to get a 50% chance. What if during that time, she finds a guy she likes a lot more and hooks up with him immediately? Then the guy has wasted time and money, and now has to deal with heart break. Seems like this hanging around thing is just to act as a back up for a woman if she doesn't find anything better.


The truth in Syd is ... Full of fast love~ they all think this gal don't like me coz I don't have money , but how much efforts they put in?!

That's starting to get off topic a little bit. I already said these two girls I knew stated they were after guys with money.


They will not give a decent gal with 2/10 looks even one chance maybe...
$ and beauty ~

You're right. But difference is, guys admit it, whereas women keep up the facade of "money doesn't matter to me".


Btw, I never heared any gal talk to me like this from the hundreds I knew ...
They all stay with bf for some sort of true love , stay single or settled with a rich man without saying a word.

There you go.

[harmony]

"Hang out with a girl and make a connection rather than expecting them to suck your dick like wls and you'll do much better"
Unfortunately, you are right
A lot of women I go out with in my personal life make good companions, but as lovers they arent very thoughtful for what the man likes
Being a great lover isnt on the task list of women once they get into a relationship
And I keep asking the forum, why ?

As Eddy Murphy said in Raw, all you women in the audience need to know that your men all play around

Is it too much to expect both, a women who is a companion as well as a thoughtful lover ?
Oh, sorry, its my too high expectation

Just settle for connection, like connection with my sister lol

[dohdoe]

On this point, is it true that when you marry a HK girl, you have to give her mother a red envelope of $100,000HKD? This is what a HK girl told me and I was just shell shocked...
there is a bit of a misconception about this.

Yes it is given on marriage from one parent to another. However it is a formality thing only to keep it in line with tradition.

Typically the parents will not force the other to pay a high amount and rather just a token amount.

The reason being that times have changed and you do not sell your daughters never to see them again. Weddings are also expensive nowadays and parents realise this.

The implications of parents forcing another family to pay a high amount is serious as that means that they have sold their daughter and therefore they would have no say on things in future like seeing their daughter or future grand kids. Not to mention that the wife would feel like am object used by their parents and would generally be quite pissed off.

[wilisno]

To pay the in-laws to marry their daughter is an ancient tradition, I think it's rare now. Most parents nowadays have to subsidize the kids' wedding expenses instead !

In ancient days, there were things like :

指腹為婚， 童養媳

Where parents arranged the weddings before the kids were born, so they had to pay an amount or pay constantly to help raise the girl until she's ready for marriage ! ;) ;) ;)

[aussiegaigin]

From watching "If you are the one" I am surprised at the high ecxpectations, or very strict criteria. many of the girls have for their "ideal partner". Having to go on the show suggests they are not hot dating material in the first place.

Then there are the girls who get picked as favourites, but reject guys because they have past hang ups and "don't want to get caught out again".

[outthere]

Outthere, what is it about how you look or act that gives away the fact you have money?

without giving out much being well positioned caucasian with nice garments always helps. Tip, girls will always look at your watch not at your phone :) so throw away your iphone and get a nice watch.

[outthere]

Wise fella. As Tommy Earl Bruner in Baja Oklahoma put it: “If it flies, floats or fucks, rent it, don’t buy it.”

Thats right additionally you have the control of everything. its a nice exchange. If they want more from what you want to give away then you are the one being fucked.

Tip 2. Always keep the control, you control them they dont

[harmony]

Great post Sifu
I find also when you are young, sometimes you are tempted to get into a relationship for the physical side, even though you know the women isnt a keeper
Its good you can get sex from other ways other than relationship, so you can focus on your career, and not waste time in your private life with a woman you dont really love
Girlfriends by their nature do require a lot of your time, and that is time away from gym, exercise, and career building

Of course, when the high quality girl comes along, then I would take her

[harmony]

Sifu, its great to be able to meet beautiful women for a short time, get your rocks off, then never have to see then again. Win-win situation
Thailand and Vietnam sound great for that. Sydney is great too.

One girlfriend I went out with for a while, she was foreign, and wanted to be with me to get her visa.
She was Thai, and great in bed, although she didnt have a working visa here, so could only get some cash jobs
In the end, I let her go, but it was a long time together, and I wasnt truly in love, more like a mutual benefits short relationship
You dont need any explanations, you already are wise to the world bro

One interesting thing will be when you meet that quality woman, and she has intelligence and a career, but she is a starfish in bed, with no BBBJ/DATY etc
A lot of gf/partners, in my humble opinion, dont put a high priority in learning what their man likes in bed
Thats a generalisation, and maybe sometimes I am a bit uncomfortable asking for what I truly like, sometimes if the woman doesnt do it off the bat, its because she doesnt like to do it
My Thai ex-girlfriend was an exception, she did it all, thats why I spent so long with her
When you have a lover like that, you dont need to pay for it. But again, I knew from the start I wasnt in love, and I should have ended it much earlier
I kept her waiting for something I wasnt going to provide for her (Australian residency)

Im still good friends with her, and she has met another guy, and got pregnant. Im helping her write her Visa Applications letters !

[f00b]

I agree if a fantastic girl came then of course i would settle down.
Last year I decided to go on my first overseas trip solo, no friends, no family, el mano! Went to Thailand and Vietnam, flew business and suites class, different girl every night. Downside was occasional loneliness in the daytime but pretty rare. I flew back convinced that if I had a gf I would not have had such a pleasureable experience and I would have been in economy with my gf instead of being a king in SingAir suites class.
For me if a girl is average, she's not worth it and can't convince me to give up my lifestyle that I worked hard to achieve.

Totally relate to your thoughts on the big first trip to Asia without family. It's like a whole different experience even if you go to exactly the same places.

With women becoming empowered in their careers and lifestyles and experiences, I personally feel less "guilty" about punting and enjoying myself in whatever way I feel like doing. There's less obligation for me to be the good provider; I just focus on my career, my gym, my income and my own happiness, whether that is with actual relationships or pretty girls who give me a massage. When it's all said and done, I'm not cheating on anyone and I can find my satisfaction wherever I like, and women can do the same.

That's why I have no sympathy for gold diggers or women who complain about the lack of good men. They just have to do what men have been doing since we crawled out of caves; doing whatever it takes and getting shit done to find or happiness.

[dohdoe]

To pay the in-laws to marry their daughter is an ancient tradition, I think it's rare now. Most parents nowadays have to subsidize the kids' wedding expenses instead !

The best thing about Chinese weddings are the red packets.
People know it is expensive so they try to be generous to young couples.

It can really take the burden off the cost unlike European weddings where you provide gifts. I know what I'd rather have.

[CunningLinguist]

The best thing about Chinese weddings are the red packets.
People know it is expensive so they try to be generous to young couples.

It can really take the burden off the cost unlike European weddings where you provide gifts. I know what I'd rather have.

A european wife with the "red packets" ? :)
Marry a greek then!

[Good_guy_Greg]

From watching "If you are the one" I am surprised at the high ecxpectations, or very strict criteria. many of the girls have for their "ideal partner". Having to go on the show suggests they are not hot dating material in the first place.

Then there are the girls who get picked as favourites, but reject guys because they have past hang ups and "don't want to get caught out again".

I really wonder about these kind of girls with such high expectations...do they just waste their youth and grow old alone, or do they eventually settle for some old man?

[Good_guy_Greg]

Myself, Im young, successful with what you would say money and status (I'm not sucking my own dick, I'm just setting up a context). I'm sure I would tick a lot of girls esp Chinese ones boxes.

Hi Sifu, interesting post. In your opinion, what 'boxes' do you think these Chinese girls have?


The issue for me is aftee being burnt before, I find it hard to put all that effort into someone who at the start I'm not 100% committed to because I don't know them, trust them enough or they're not 100% my type. For me I have money, I have status, I have youth, but I only have one heart and the emotional rollercoasters is too much sometimes.
I've worked very hard to attain my level of success and I feel I can get sex when I need it, albeit paid, without the complications of an iffy early relationship where you don't get sex anyway. I just find that my life is already busy without having to deal with trying to keep a girl happy.
Not sure if at some stage my priorities will change but at this stage, I would rather focus on my enjoyments in life than succumb to someone elses.
Would love to hear what others think

This is good to hear, sounds like you won't get ripped off by any girl soon.

[DeepImpact]

What's interesting about this second girl is she told me she turned down a 32 year old IT guy who made $130k per year. Seriously, you gotta be doing pretty well to be making $130k, so since when did that become not enough to get a girlfriend??

So to all bros out there, do you think these are unrealistic expectations? Do you meet many girls like this with unrealistic expectations? Do you think they are the majority or minority? Do you see them getting what they want eventually? What happens to those who don't? Do they settle into an unhappy marriage?

Yeah you are right Bro, she is very unrealistic. I just can't stand these type of women and their unrealistic expectations, who do they think they are, do they think they were born with the right to choose their own partner, talk about stuck up.

All I want is a woman with the following:
- Looks like a supermodel
- 170 cm +
- Will stay looking 21 forever
- Looks hot every day, gets up a few hours before me to make sure her make up and hair are perfect before I get up to eat the breakfast she made me
- Laughs at all my jokes, nods in agreement and tells me how wise I am when I offer advice
- Doesn't need flowers on Valentines day, chocolate on Easter or any gifts for Xmas and birthdays
- Seeks out other girls that she thinks I will find attractive and is understanding of this as a need for me not a want as afterall I could go crazy if my needs aren't fulfilled.
- Ready for sex whenever I am

How dare these girls want so many unreasonable things. Why are these good girls so hard to find when I am only after the simple things in life?

[Good_guy_Greg]

Yeah you are right Bro, she is very unrealistic. I just can't stand these type of women and their unrealistic expectations, who do they think they are, do they think they were born with the right to choose their own partner, talk about stuck up.

All I want is a woman with the following:
- Looks like a supermodel
- 170 cm +
- Will stay looking 21 forever
- Looks hot every day, gets up a few hours before me to make sure her make up and hair are perfect before I get up to eat the breakfast she made me
- Laughs at all my jokes, nods in agreement and tells me how wise I am when I offer advice
- Doesn't need flowers on Valentines day, chocolate on Easter or any gifts for Xmas and birthdays
- Seeks out other girls that she thinks I will find attractive and is understanding of this as a need for me not a want as afterall I could go crazy if my needs aren't fulfilled.
- Ready for sex whenever I am

How dare these girls want so many unreasonable things. Why are these good girls so hard to find when I am only after the simple things in life?

Bro your reasoning is flawed. Nowhere did I say they don't have the RIGHT to choose their own partner. All I said was that when exercising that RIGHT, they were doing so with UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.

It's like playing lotto - I have the RIGHT to win the lotto if I buy a valid ticket. But can I EXPECT to win it every single time I play?

[aliguu]

All I want is a woman with the following:
- Looks like a supermodel
- 170 cm +
- Will stay looking 21 forever
- Looks hot every day, gets up a few hours before me to make sure her make up and hair are perfect before I get up to eat the breakfast she made me
- Laughs at all my jokes, nods in agreement and tells me how wise I am when I offer advice
- Doesn't need flowers on Valentines day, chocolate on Easter or any gifts for Xmas and birthdays
- Seeks out other girls that she thinks I will find attractive and is understanding of this as a need for me not a want as afterall I could go crazy if my needs aren't fulfilled.
- Ready for sex whenever I am

How dare these girls want so many unreasonable things. Why are these good girls so hard to find when I am only after the simple things in life?

+1

but im even more simpler just the ones in bold... LOL

[aussiegaigin]

When I was a youngster, I only sought two qualities in a girl:
1. She had to be a nymphomaniac
2. Her father had to own a pub.

[Bose0412]

I wrote a thread about to lie or not to lie to working ladies
this is what i mean exactly, if i was a financial analyst would she like give me better treatment ??

[Good_guy_Greg]

I wrote a thread about to lie or not to lie to working ladies
this is what i mean exactly, if i was a financial analyst would she like give me better treatment ??

As much as girls deny it in front of us, money matters big time and their behaviour will change dependent on it. I've held thousands of dollars worth of chips in the casino and I can see girls (including dealers) looking at me, then at my chips, then back at me, and suddenly they're all giggly and talkative.

[CunningLinguist]

As much as girls deny it in front of us, money matters big time and their behaviour will change dependent on it. I've held thousands of dollars worth of chips in the casino and I can see girls (including dealers) looking at me, then at my chips, then back at me, and suddenly they're all giggly and talkative.

Sounds like a good pickup tactic, just get a shitload of chips and sit there not playing, wait for a gold digger, then back to her place to cash in ...

[Good_guy_Greg]

Sounds like a good pickup tactic, just get a shitload of chips and sit there not playing, wait for a gold digger, then back to her place to cash in ...

lol but some asshole supervisors don't let you sit if you're not playing :s

[harmony]

"I've held thousands of dollars worth of chips in the casino and I can see girls (including dealers) looking at me, then at my chips, then back at me, and suddenly they're all giggly and talkative"

So thats why you go to the casino bro - that alluring feeling of power, when women can look at your chips and get giggly
Just get a lovely car, and you will have the same experience, for a lot less outlay

Cheers bro !

[dokleng]

like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjlDtUWVOI

[Herb]

I'm happy to be taken advantage of in this town.
I just want an asian mistress.

Where do you find these "leftover" girls in Sydney?

[SuperJackass]

That why all those women love watch 50 shades. Cause they wanna sex and money. Lots of money...

[Good_guy_Greg]

So thats why you go to the casino bro - that alluring feeling of power, when women can look at your chips and get giggly
Just get a lovely car, and you will have the same experience, for a lot less outlay

Cheers bro !

lol bro, that's just a side benefit. I actually go there to pass my time and try to win a quid.

[DeepImpact]

Bro your reasoning is flawed. Nowhere did I say they don't have the RIGHT to choose their own partner. All I said was that when exercising that RIGHT, they were doing so with UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.



Bro in the end consider it a singles market and like all markets, the market determines who has the power and gets what they want. There aren't any market regulations to tell a girl what she should expect based on her status or situation.

All jokes aside my only advice to you is to work out what it is about yourself that women like most. There might be ten things about you that aren't that great but if there are one or two things that are good then you need to make sure that women see that side of you. For example if you have great biceps there is no point wearing long sleeve shirts everyday or if you are great at chess then don't play soccer, if you are a wine expert don't take her to boost juice.

[harmony]

Herb
This news sounds like something you might be interested in
"Ella, the 29-year-old has an arrangement with a businessman nearly twice her age and each time they meet he pays her $2,000."
"It's not sex for money, it's an exchange between two adults that have something to give each other, on levels far greater than just sexual,"

http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?47809-Careless-Love-Aussie-Drama&highlight=Arrangement

This woman has very realistic expectations

[Good_guy_Greg]

Bro in the end consider it a singles market and like all markets, the market determines who has the power and gets what they want. There aren't any market regulations to tell a girl what she should expect based on her status or situation.

Exactly, it's a market. Let's take the property market - if I go in search of a three bedroom, two storey house in Vaucluse with a pool for $50,000, what do you think the real estate agent will say to me?

[dokleng]

Exactly, it's a market. Let's take the property market - if I go in search of a three bedroom, two storey house in Vaucluse with a pool for $50,000, what do you think the real estate agent will say to me?

Agent: "$50,000 will only get you CBJ. Throw another 50K on top of that and you can do me however you like."

[Miyamoto]

I'm currently getting bombarded with messages from a friend who is desperately trying to start a relationship with a surgeon. It's like she's scared of losing a winning lottery ticket.

[aussiegaigin]

I'm currently getting bombarded with messages from a friend who is desperately trying to start a relationship with a surgeon. It's like she's scared of losing a winning lottery ticket.

Tell her to offer him a BJ, seems to be the best way to get ahead in the medical profession, going by recent newspaper reports LOL

[wilisno]

Tell her to offer him a BJ, seems to be the best way to get ahead in the medical profession, going by recent newspaper reports LOL
Get ahead or give a head ? ;) ;) ;)

[dokleng]

Get ahead or give a head ? ;) ;) ;)

They go hand-in-hand.
or maybe head-to-head?

[CunningLinguist]

BJ 4 surgeon is only for female co-workers, surgeons wife should be good looking trophy wife!

[Good_guy_Greg]

Tell her to offer him a BJ, seems to be the best way to get ahead in the medical profession, going by recent newspaper reports LOL

lol good one

[RoyalFlush]

i think it only works if the guy/the boss wants a bj in the first place. it doesnt work the other way round because the girl risk the guy not finding her attractive or he just dont want a fling. but if the girl is pretty and sexy, then it would be hard to resist. but if the boss want bj and he got declined = career ruined for the female worker pretty much.

[Good_guy_Greg]

i think it only works if the guy/the boss wants a bj in the first place. it doesnt work the other way round because the girl risk the guy not finding her attractive or he just dont want a fling. but if the girl is pretty and sexy, then it would be hard to resist. but if the boss want bj and he got declined = career ruined for the female worker pretty much.

lol...

Dr: Hey uhh...I like BJ, do you?
Assistant: Oh god yes [gets down on her knees and starts unzipping doctor's pants]
Dr: What the hell? I was talking about black jack. Get off me b!tch.