Is prostitution wrong?

[Christmas]

Over a many years, I was always wondering that why prostitution is generally known as bad job, and even as crime in some countries. With my experience, I kind of could figure it out why this job is bad for themselves, working women. It’s because it may give them bad spending habit, on bags, gambling, drugs and whatsoever. Beside it might help to make lower their self esteem. No matter how strong they are, at the end of the day they will exhausted mentally, physically. Furthermore, risk of STIs is also crucial point.

But then, why it has become serious ‘bad thing’ in our society? not for individual.
I can imagine that why men isn't keen to have relationship, include marriage with WL. There are lot more various type of brand new cars in the world, why would you buy used car? I probably think same way. but sorry.. this is out of point i guess..:0 again, my question is, Why prostitution is bad?


I, personally think this job isn't that bad. But I disguise my self at school, at normal life. Because I'm chicken, I’m afraid that they would leave me because I’m doing bad thing in their standard.
I sometimes ask to my friends, family (esp, my mum) about their thoughts.
They said It’s bad but they don't exactly know why it’s bad. they think it’s bad because most of people think it’s bad.

I’m not claiming this job is such a good job or defencing myself doing this job. But just wondering is there any political, historical background that inciting this phenomenon??
all yours opinions are welcome…^0^ just silly thoughts in a grey days.

[rooter]

I'm not interested in a relationship with any woman so prostitute doctor nurse or teacher makes no difference to me.
Instead of trying to answer your question I'll just write you a limerick instead.
Jerry
What a clever and cheeky girl is Jerry
With her it's always Christmas and merry.
Although I have never had the pleasure
I can tell she's a gem and a treasure.
Maybe one day I'll taste her cherry.

[caramellochoco]

I think its just traditional. Society takes the view that girls are labelled as sluts for sleeping around a lot around while guys are hailed as heroes. Having said that, I think times are changing where lots more regular women are performing sex work as opposed to the age-old idea that it's for desperate druggos trying to get cheap money to score their next fix.

[AHLUNGOR]

Over a many years, I was always wondering that why prostitution is generally known as bad job, and even as crime in some countries. With my experience, I kind of could figure it out why this job is bad for themselves, working women. It’s because it may give them bad spending habit, on bags, gambling, drugs and whatsoever. Beside it might help to make lower their self esteem. No matter how strong they are, at the end of the day they will exhausted mentally, physically. Furthermore, risk of STIs is also crucial point.

But then, why it has become serious ‘bad thing’ in our society? not for individual.
I can imagine that why men isn't keen to have relationship, include marriage with WL. There are lot more various type of brand new cars in the world, why would you buy used car? I probably think same way. but sorry.. this is out of point i guess..:0 again, my question is, Why prostitution is bad?


I, personally think this job isn't that bad. But I disguise my self at school, at normal life. Because I'm chicken, I’m afraid that they would leave me because I’m doing bad thing in their standard.
I sometimes ask to my friends, family (esp, my mum) about their thoughts.
They said It’s bad but they don't exactly know why it’s bad. they think it’s bad because most of people think it’s bad.

I’m not claiming this job is such a good job or defencing myself doing this job. But just wondering is there any political, historical background that inciting this phenomenon??
all yours opinions are welcome…^0^ just silly thoughts in a grey days.


First of all, I think it's an inspirational topic to be raised in a rainy day like today !!

May be I can give my two cents - not as a punter but may be as a normal guy who has a few industry friends.

Yes, I have quite a few mamasan friends and MLs friends - most of them are just like your family and friends, they are normal working ladies which really is no different to any office lady. They are in the service industry, providing a service which is legal (various points of views considered) and they are no evil, sex is a basic human needs, without it, this world could well be running by Alps !!

The massage ladies are just your average school girls, someone's daughter, a girl friend, a wife, a mother - using their bodies and skills to make a living, some of them are supporting themselves through school, some of them are supporting their family, some of them are simply making the money to make ends meet and to survive. And some of them have done quite well for themselves and now running a business which can provide for themselves to a comfortable retirement in the not too distant future. Well yes, I think it is common knowledge that most WLs and MLs are making a lot more money than you and I.

Now, I might have gone off course a fair bit here - for sister Christmas, let's go back to your original question: Is Prostitution Wrong, or Bad or Evil ?

I don't have an answer to the world's oldest profession, but I think the fundamental problem lies when you put EVERYTHING under the one single umbrella of Prostitution !!


The following is the definition of Prostitution in the internet:


Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment[1][2] or some other benefit. Prostitution is sometimes described as commercial sex.

A person who works in this field is called a prostitute, and is a kind of sex worker. Prostitution is one of the branches of the sex industry. The legal status of prostitution varies from country to country (sometimes from region to region within a given country), ranging from being permissible but unregulated, to an enforced or unenforced crime, or a regulated profession. It is sometimes referred to euphemistically as "the world's oldest profession".[3] Estimates place the annual revenue generated by prostitution worldwide to be over $100 billion.[4]

Prostitution occurs in a variety of forms. Brothels are establishments specifically dedicated to prostitution. In escort prostitution, the act may take place at the client's residence or hotel room (referred to as out-call), or at the escort's residence or a hotel room rented for the occasion by the escort (in-call). Another form is street prostitution. Although the majority of prostitutes are female with male clients, there are also gay male prostitutes, lesbian prostitutes, and heterosexual male prostitutes.[5] Sex tourism refers to traveling to engage in sexual relations with prostitutes. Some rich clients may pay for long-term contracts that may last for years.

But if we really broaden up the acts and behaviours of "Prostitution" being the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment[1][2] or some other benefit. Prostitution is sometimes described as commercial sex.

Then Prostitution can and may also include the following behaviours and actions:

1. A singer, actor, dancer in the entertainment industry fucks her way for jobs and success.
2. A female employee fuck her boss for pay rise, promotions, or simply getting the job.
3. A student fucking her teacher or professor for better grades.
4. A business professional fucking who ever to get what ever. Sex for commercial benefits or advantages.
5. A female 007 fucks for the Queen and country !!
6. A young maiden married an old man for the money. or a variety of versions of women marrying rich not for love.
7. A Law student moonlighting as a high class escort - only fucking once per week - to put herself through college
8. A woman who works as an escort/WL on the weekend to supplement her day time job so that she can save a deposit for her first home, or pay off debts or whatever.
9. A woman who works a day or two in a massage parlour for whatever the reasons.
10. A full time escort or WL
11. A full time massage lady who only does RnT
12. A full time massage lady who does FS.
13. A street walker
14. A street walker who is also a drug addict.
15. A sex worker who has STD
16. A sex worker who is HIV positive.

Personally, unless you are getting down to the red zone, things are not too bad. And when society are judging prostitutions, they are most likely of thinking the personnel and situations inside the red zones ! And of course, us very well educated punter will know and appreciate the difference between a $2,000/hr escort vs a $20 a pop junkie on the street.

In fact, in the modern society that we live in, points 1 to 6 are happening all the times and usually they are NOT call a prostitute either. People may not totally approve of it, but will have no trouble accepting it as perhaps part of life ??

Every girl is different and they all have their own story to tell, you care to listen ??

Cheers

:smile:



ps. Not being sexist, let's acknowledge that men would do all of the above too !! trading sex for whatever !!

[Oneonone]

I think its a very deep question.

Firstly I think it is religious based, for Christians Mary Magaline was a prostitute and Jesus got her to repent of give up her profession. I think I have the right womans name there.

Religious people and other think that its wrong because it offers an option outside of marriage and according to their belief only sex in marriage is acceptable.

What they don't take into account is the people who are married and have their marriage saved by prostitutes and or the single man that want or needs to get his rocks off and so he can do it with out causing problems for other women.

Obviously the same applies to women who see prostitutes.

In days gone by I think it also had a lot to do with unwanted pregnancy at home or with lady friends these days with the birth control that's available its not such an issue and just I concede condoms have been around for a long time so some form of birth control was available.

I think a lot of people accept that prostitutes are just ordinary people trying to make a living however most of them are not prepared to admit this to anyone else.

Obviously to answer your question I don't think its wrong.

Bring on the wl go you good thing or ladies!

[harmony]

It all comes down to "what consenting adults do with each other, should always be legal"

Homosexuality used to be illegal in Australia. Its now legal
Women working in a parlour used to be illegal. Its now legal, to various extents, depending on the state

Im not explaining anyone elses behaviour, but sometimes it is difficult to say to a lady in a relationship "our sex is getting stale"
Often, the women just is not open to trying new things
Even with BJ, some women wont do it
Or they need to use a toothbrush afterwards. Its true

Maybe the world would be perfect if every man got a relationship counsellor, and solved this issue
But its obviously far easier, and less confrontational, to see a working lady

My 2 cents

[Wayne]

Isn't prostitution all about power, or its lack of. Where is prostitution most common? Where women have the least power, where they are simply commodities. Where there is relative equality between the genders' exercise of power, prostitution is less common and much less acceptable.

Sydney's prostitution scene is a microcosm of this global picture. The women who most commonly sell themselves have the least access to our institutions. You don't find many private school graduates selling themselves in Sydney brothels. They place a much higher price on entry to their legs. A price few men are willing to pay. Which is a reason I reckon so many men seek their gratification in brothels. Recommend "Damned Whores and God's Police," by Anne Summers. Excellent perspective on the question.

[Miyamoto]

I don't think there is any one answer, the people who consider it wrong all have different reasons, some religious, some moral. I think some women don't like it because it takes away their sexual power. They don't like the idea that a man can go and have sex with a younger and more beautiful woman, they have no sexual power over that man. Personally I don't think it's wrong, it's just a physical act between two consenting adults which brings pleasure. Medical professionals touch strangers genitals, but it's not considered wrong, remedial massage therapists touch and squeeze another persons body which brings relief and pleasure but it's not considered wrong. I think if your open about human sexuality then you don't consider it wrong. All of the above carry the caveat that both parties engaged are doing do so on their own free will. I also don't buy the argument you hear that a women wouldn't be a sex worker if it wasn't for the money, therefore she doesn't really want to. Well, I don't really want to do my job, I only go for the money.

[harmony]

"I think some women don't like it because it takes away their sexual power.
They don't like the idea that a man can go and have sex with a younger and more beautiful woman, they have no sexual power over that man"

Unfortunately beauty fades well before a mans desire does.
Why dont older women understand this, and learn how to make sex less vanilla as the couple gets older ?

[Christmas]

I think some women don't like it because it takes away their sexual power. They don't like the idea that a man can go and have sex with a younger and more beautiful woman, they have no sexual power over that man.
Hi! I like your reply the most so far. you make me realise that I’m totally fxxked by my double standard. Now I may think prostitution is ok, but then I would be the one of first woman who protests against sex shop establishment in my town if I’m old married woman..! thanks for sharing your opinion.

[Bazzladance69]

The way I look at individuals, its not the race, colour, job, fat or thin, man or women, intellectual or average, rich or poor.
when your first introduced to a person and you don't have any background knowledge , you will either like them or avoid them.
If you are given some background on that person as high achievers you can be slightly swayed.
Saying that if a young lady introduced herself as a ex prostitute in a job interview, I could be swayed to look more closely at her & more than likely think her family background could be unstable, & more likely would not be so punctual , look @ other applicants , the same girl if she didn't mention she was an ex prostitute & I liked her more than likely give her the job. for me there is no denying the stigma attached to prostitutes, & I have a lot of prostitutes as friends.
So Christmas you sound & look like an absolute darling, like to meet you one day, I think you are wise for not advertising what you do.

[AHLUNGOR]

So Christmas you sound & look like an absolute darling, like to meet you one day, I think you are wise for not advertising what you do.

May be if you find Jerry, your Christmas wishes will cum true ??

[cato]

There's a fairly recent Australian movie called 'careless love' which is based on this very topic and I highly recommend it.

Has anyone seen it?

[cisco]

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[milhouse88]

There's far too much judgement in our society. If someone willingly goes into it and enjoys it then who am I to say it's wrong?

[Debo]

I think society will always have a stigma towards those that work in the industry and those that pay for it. For me it doesn't feel right personally, I feel that I'm taking advantage of someone who has no other options to make money or the skills to do something else hence why I have put in effort to stop.

My thoughts towards it were reinforced further after I watched a documentary called "tricked" on Netflix. It showed the side of the business that we don't see here and how many of the WLs are trapped in a cycle that they can't get out off and I'm certain that most of those here in Australia are no different.

Sure there are some that love their work, most are great actors and those that I have spoken to over the years have deep psychology issues with themselves and the work they're doing.

Edit take into account the drug use, anyone that says that they do hard drugs like ice or heroine because they like it are full of it. People do it to escape their issue and hence why its so large in the industry.

And to answer your question - I don't think its wrong, I'm personally no longer comfortable with it. I think it needs to be better regulated and controlled in favour of the WLs.

[watersjek]

I think society will always have a stigma towards those that work in the industry and those that pay for it. For me it doesn't feel right personally, I feel that I'm taking advantage of someone who has no other options to make money or the skills to do something else hence why I have put in effort to stop.

My thoughts towards it were reinforced further after I watched a documentary called "tricked" on Netflix. It showed the side of the business that we don't see here and how many of the WLs are trapped in a cycle that they can't get out off and I'm certain that most of those here in Australia are no different.

Sure there are some that love their work, most are great actors and those that I have spoken to over the years have deep psychology issues with themselves and the work they're doing.

Edit take into account the drug use, anyone that says that they do hard drugs like ice or heroine because they like it are full of it. People do it to escape their issue and hence why its so large in the industry.It's hard to justify the system fully while these issues are still prevalent within the industry. Working towards eliminating these issues and ensuring that the WLs are in the industry because they are there of their own volition would be the steps I would take before looking at the wider question, which have very strong moral/social/personal viewpoints on either side.

[Christmas]

There's a fairly recent Australian movie called 'careless love' which is based on this very topic and I highly recommend it.

Has anyone seen it?

googled it and watched trailer. very interesting movie...! any way to watch this full movie?:0/??

[watersjek]

googled it and watched trailer. very interesting movie...! any way to watch this full movie?:0/??Looks like it's available for purchase on DVD, iTunes or Google Play.

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/au/movie/careless-love/id648644085
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Careless_Love?id=3cJPRIYCYpE&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm1vdmllL TNjSlBSSVlDWXBFIl0.

[uglyphil]

googled it and watched trailer. very interesting movie...! any way to watch this full movie?:0/??

It was available on SBS catchup until recently. You have missed it though :(

You can still watch some interviews with the director though: http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/11825731680/Careless-Love-Interviews?od=search&term=careless%20love

[Christmas]

Looks like it's available for purchase on DVD, iTunes or Google Play.

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/au/movie/careless-love/id648644085
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/Careless_Love?id=3cJPRIYCYpE&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm1vdmllL TNjSlBSSVlDWXBFIl0.

ohhh gamsamneeda!!! I;m gonna just watch this. rain seems endless...

[Christmas]

Btw this thread was inspired by this documentary.
Sex : my british job @netflix

http://i.imgur.com/cXUEq8T.jpg (http://imgur.com/cXUEq8T)
http://i.imgur.com/4MYrvrO.jpg (http://imgur.com/4MYrvrO)

[milhouse88]

Always looking for documentaries on netflix, thanks will check it out

[watersjek]

ohhh gamsamneeda!!! I;m gonna just watch this. rain seems endless...You're welcome! This rain is the perfect time to catch up on movies and documentaries, and thanks for the Netflix recommendation, I'll have a look.

[CunningLinguist]

Over a many years, I was always wondering that why prostitution is generally known as bad job, and even as crime in some countries. With my experience, I kind of could figure it out why this job is bad for themselves, working women. It’s because it may give them bad spending habit, on bags, gambling, drugs and whatsoever. Beside it might help to make lower their self esteem. No matter how strong they are, at the end of the day they will exhausted mentally, physically. Furthermore, risk of STIs is also crucial point.

But then, why it has become serious ‘bad thing’ in our society? not for individual.
I can imagine that why men isn't keen to have relationship, include marriage with WL. There are lot more various type of brand new cars in the world, why would you buy used car? I probably think same way. but sorry.. this is out of point i guess..:0 again, my question is, Why prostitution is bad?


I, personally think this job isn't that bad. But I disguise my self at school, at normal life. Because I'm chicken, I’m afraid that they would leave me because I’m doing bad thing in their standard.
I sometimes ask to my friends, family (esp, my mum) about their thoughts.
They said It’s bad but they don't exactly know why it’s bad. they think it’s bad because most of people think it’s bad.

I’m not claiming this job is such a good job or defencing myself doing this job. But just wondering is there any political, historical background that inciting this phenomenon??
all yours opinions are welcome…^0^ just silly thoughts in a grey days.

Just like most vocations being a WL can range from being a good job to a bad job.
Some WLs are abused and taken advantage of and looked down on, others are worshipped and held in high esteem.
Just remember it is the oldest profession and it is legal.

In general I think used car salesman, real estate agents, pollies, and shock jocks carry much worse perceptions...

[milhouse88]

In general I think used car salesman, real estate agents, pollies, and shock jocks carry much worse perceptions...

Will definitely agree with those, especially the first three

[caramellochoco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnQqpGPeDaY

Taboo documentary on Prostitution

[Rockdale_485]

This job actually is great similar to counsellor, save lot's of men mental!!! Salute

Uncle Jack

[AHLUNGOR]

This job actually is great similar to counsellor, save lot's of men mental!!! Salute

Uncle Jack


Keeps you on the job that's for sure Uncle Jack !!

[ILOVETOFU]

Prostitution, as defined as the act of paying an individual money in order to have consensual sexual intercourse with them, is not and could not possibly be defined as 'wrong', as the entire event is a consensual agreement between two adults. Of course, if the prostitute is only offering her services under duress, or is being coerced into doing so, that's another story. Likewise, if we're talking about child prostitution, then by definition the 'prostitute' in this instance is unable to give informed consent, or indeed any consent, and thus the act becomes unethical.

The simple act of allowing one's consent to be given only if certain considerations are made, in this case only if money changes hands, is not and cannot be unethical or 'immoral' in itself, however.

IMO it is a legitimate economic business forced underground by religion. Therefore it has the same value, sans religion that any economic business provides, namely supply and demand. Ask yourself what good is a lumber store (actually a service industry is a better model) and apply the same logic to sex for pay. It provides employment to the workers and a service in demand. Then there are the other benefits such as social and mental health to some.

There is nothing morally wrong about prostitution. It is a job just like any other - providing a service against payment. Sometimes the prostitute doesn't feel like doing it, but sometimes I don't feel like doing my 8 to 5 office job either.

I don't see anything wrong with selling (or rather, renting) your body. An actor rents out his/her body every time they go on stage or in front of the camera, as do models and dancers. Singers rent out their vocal cords. Manual labourers rent out their muscles. Scientists rent out their brains.

Also, prostitution does not "encourage infidelity". The married man (or woman) who would go with a prostitute would just as easily cheat with the new secretary or the postman. You might as well lock everyone into a chastity belt, and in marriage exchange keys.