Sad to hear about mistreatment of girls...

[Milhouse]

Had a session with a WL tonight, and she told me about a customer who had been rough with her before. She told me some customers get really rough and treat them like slaves, and some girls cry when they return to their private rooms because they felt powerless (coupled with their lack of English).

This made me really sad, and I think punting has no place for customers like these. The girls are not there for you to take your anger out on. They're people too, and it's a job for them, so no need to act like you're punishing them for something going wrong in your personal life.

I think shops need to ban customers if girls complain about rough treatment!

[pockyfat]

That's really disgusting behaviour. I hate the pussies that think that it's okay to harm girls.

[Oneonone]

Its very sad and unfortunate that some men don't know how to treat a lady unfortunately it happens far too often.

The shops need to ban customers that mistreat their girls!

[tpol]

Alot of the chinese petite girls tell me that they are wary of one particular race who are quite rough.

[icecream]

Well if he tables are turned and they find out if there sister, daughter or wife was a wl and mistreated then all fcuken hypocrites..

[uglyphil]

Its very sad and unfortunate that some men don't know how to treat a lady unfortunately it happens far too often.

The shops need to ban customers that mistreat their girls!

Agreed. This should really be a no-brainer.

I visited a WL two weeks ago and she was still sore from rough handling from a customer the day before. She had had to kick him off her and threaten to call the police before he left. I believe that she and the shop had agreed that he would be banned...

Unfortunately, these douchebags often believe that they are above such things. Much like certain posters who get banned again, and again, and again ad-nauseum, but keep coming back. And when there is another receptionist on who doesn't know the full story, I am sure that they slip through.

It is simply a reminder that these ladies are engaged in a very dangerous line of work, however much we punters would like to believe it isn't :(

[wallyhead]

I think the shop owners have a duty to protect their workers. A lot of the owners have no idea about the potential liabilities they face in the event one of the workers are harmed by a customer. Normal employers in any industry take out workers comp as cover in the event of an employee getting injured. Why a shop owner thinks they are excused of this obligation is beyond me. Some owners protect their workers and others are hopeless. The hopeless ones that allow harm to befall their workers without redress should be avoided. Hopefully they go out of business and the ones that care remain. My 2 cents of the perfect world.

[cuteguy]

It would be more dangerous for the independent girls since they have no agency or boss to come to their rescue if they find themselves at the mercy of some crazy customer at his place or some place unknown to her. In most cases, the girls will not report the incidents to the police and as a result, these bad customers will get away with it.

[Starved]

The girls should have a panic button in the room,the shops are getting their cut of the girls hard(pardon the pun)earned money they should provide some safety .

[AHLUNGOR]

I think the shop owners have a duty to protect their workers. A lot of the owners have no idea about the potential liabilities they face in the event one of the workers are harmed by a customer. Normal employers in any industry take out workers comp as cover in the event of an employee getting injured. Why a shop owner thinks they are excused of this obligation is beyond me. Some owners protect their workers and others are hopeless. The hopeless ones that allow harm to befall their workers without redress should be avoided. Hopefully they go out of business and the ones that care remain. My 2 cents of the perfect world.

Good points !

Not sure if it is required by law that a licensed brothel will have to take out work over for its girls , but as a registered business you would expect they at least would have public liability insurance ?

Can some knowledgeable brothers please advise ??

[Oneonone]

Good points !

Not sure if it is required by law that a licensed brothel will have to take out work over for its girls , but as a registered business you would expect they at least would have public liability insurance ?

Can some knowledgeable brothers please advise ??

In most cases and certainly in the low cost shops the girls Officially don't work for the shop.

They are independent agents and only hire the room from the shop, that is why the girls in most cases work for more than one shop other wise if they work more than 20 hours, I think the figure is, and for only the one shop they are classed as employees then the shop has to supply workers comp, superannuation, tax etc

That's the real reason most girls work for more than one shop.

The more up market shops used to always have a panic button in the room for the girls protection, they certainly don't have them in the low cost shops although most of them do have security cameras in the hallways etc, not the rooms

[Calpico_Can]

Sad to hear

[wallyhead]

In most cases and certainly in the low cost shops the girls Officially don't work for the shop.

They are independent agents and only hire the room from the shop, that is why the girls in most cases work for more than one shop other wise if they work more than 20 hours, I think the figure is, and for only the one shop they are classed as employees then the shop has to supply workers comp, superannuation, tax etc

That's the real reason most girls work for more than one shop.

The more up market shops used to always have a panic button in the room for the girls protection, they certainly don't have them in the low cost shops although most of them do have security cameras in the hallways etc, not the rooms

Makes sense.

[ouch]

This is something i find abhorrent . Dunno how some sick fucks get their jollies mistreating girls. Unfortunately have quite a bit of experience in this . I have been driver for escorts and strippers and managed brothel in which i doubled as security. Girls do need to say 'no dont do that' cos unfortunately a lot don't. I always advised girls work for me in brothel to say it once if they ignore call out or come get me. But only if emergency. Simple policy if they call .ur gone one way or another and then ask questions later. Same escorts have me on speed dial only use if emergency . Hit first ask questions later.. girls pay your wages . And are more inclined to be happy and friendly towards customers if know are safe and appreciated.

[Oneonone]

Mistreatment of ladies isn't restricted to wl unfortunately it is far too common!

[Clinton]

Alot of the chinese petite girls tell me that they are wary of one particular race who are quite rough.

Most cases I heard involve Blacks, Indians or alike, and Mideast people although other races can have such bastards as well but usually with a smaller proportion.

[Milhouse]

Alot of the chinese petite girls tell me that they are wary of one particular race who are quite rough.

I didn't want to mention this but the girl I spoke to did mention one particular race. Although I'm pretty sure you and I aren't talking about the same race.

[Calpico_Can]

Alot of the chinese petite girls tell me that they are wary of one particular race who are quite rough.

I didn't want to mention this but the girl I spoke to did mention one particular race. Although I'm pretty sure you and I aren't talking about the same race.

let's be honest, they're most likely either Lebs or Pacific Islanders

[birch]

I witnessed a slight variation of this theme at Thairapeutic last Monday. Was waiting for my booking in one of the rooms just off the reception area with a view of the lift, when I pulled the door ajar. Was minding my own business when a commotion started outside. I opened the door a little to make sure it wasn't some sort of raid to find a rather obese anglo guy with a duffle bag struggling to get into the lift while three tiny Thai MLs struggled to stop him getting away.

I kept my distance for a minute of two while I tried to work out what was going on. The girl's english was poor so it wasn't immediately obvious what had transpired a few minutes previously. The chinese receptionist then appeared with a phone glued to her hear and I thought - ok, maybe she's calling for help or something...

Meanwhile I can see the girls are trying to grab this dude's duffle bag and then I heard them mention 'just give me my money' and the penny dropped - I was witnessing a theft of a ML's tips... To top things off the receptionist then comes into ear-shot and I can hear her finalising a booking! Bloody hell had I got the wrong idea about her! So I yell out to the dude to get the fuck out of the lift and prove his innocence rather than run away like a lowlife...
He was a big guy and I hesitated before considering grabbing him - I now regret this - within another 20 seconds he managed to shove the girls aside and piss off down the lift.

[MAX FAKE]

Most cases I heard involve Blacks, Indians or alike, and Mideast people although other races can have such bastards as well but usually with a smaller proportion.

Clinton is back with his racist tone and generalizations.

LOL you forgot to mentions Asians as well

Time to go back into your redneck cave brother

[uglyphil]

Clinton is back with his racist tone and generalizations.

LOL you forgot to mentions Asians as well

Time to go back into your redneck cave brother

Agreed, I have visited many different WLs and for me at least the complaints about customers tend to be across the board. IF I was to generalise it would be that Indians are complained about not for violence, but for cheapness (as in they always try to bargain the ladies down) - but even the WLs I have talked to about this admit that that is a cultural thing rather than a sign of disrespect.

What I have found really saddening is when a WL won't see me because I am caucasian and they have had bad experiences with other caucs. I can usually find another lady in the shop and if it is a shop I have been to before then the other ladies I have seen will generally reassure the new girl.

ALL punters can be assholes. It is up to us to not be.

Birch, you are probably best not to get involved in that situation as it seems none of the ladies were being physically hurt? Had you got involved then they (and you) may have been. Best option is to get a good look at the asshole's face and report to the authorities.

[cuteguy]

In the past, I've heard Asian girls from various agencies say the following:

(i) Indians want it cheap and to come as many times as possible;
(ii) Middle Eastern guys are really rough, treat girls just like a piece of meat and want anal most times;
(iii) Chinese guys see WL as just sluts; and
(iv) Caucasian guys tend to treat the girls the best.

[wallyhead]

Guys of all walks of life can either be good guys or bad. I don't think it is fair to generalise on the basis on race, creed or colour when it comes to the ill treatment of women.

[AHLUNGOR]

From what brother birch just posted, you can't help but feel sorry for the poor Thai mls !

Can you blame her if she started asking all the first time clients from now on to pay the tips up front or at the point of negotiated extras rather than at the end of the session ?

It's always a few assholes that stuffed things up for all the good punters !

[rooter]

From what brother birch just posted, you can't help but feel sorry for the poor Thai mls !

Can you blame her if she started asking all the first time clients from now on to pay the tips up front or at the point of negotiated extras rather than at the end of the session ?

It's always a few assholes that stuffed things up for all the good punters !
Exactly!
Some shops you just pay everything up front - HJ, B2B all covered. No problem. 99% of the time you are gonna want the happy ending - that's what you are there for. If you wanted a remedial massage only you wouldn't go to a R&T shop.
But at most shops you pay the Massage fee and then half way through the girl asks if you want nude HJ or whatever, and 99% of the time you say Yes, and then you pay her at the end of the session - its a trust thing. It disrupts the flow of things to go and grab your wallet give the extra $$ etc.
But I can understand girls, who have had a bad experience with a dick head, wanting the money first.
Or some shops having the money up front policy.
The pay everything up front at reception policy is practical - but I enjoy the ritual of paying for the massage first, then the girl asking if you want a HJ, or nude HJ, B2B ... or possibly more. It's more fun I think.

[kezza]

Unfortunately there are some twats out there who shouldn't be allowed into shops.. I usually go to rnt and a few things of late have happened that make you think.. one is the arse who agrees to a nude hj with a Thai ml, gets his jollies, dresses and walks out, refuses to pay the agreed tip.. now I know the girl, great service, friendly as can be... and yep, any trust she has gone for good.. the second is a girl in tears in my session because she knows her next customer is a cock; pushy and disrespectful and keeps asking for more than she is willing to do, a battle of wills it seems.. She comes out OK but not a pleasant experience for her.. and yesterday with a new girl, lovely girl, friendly and playfull with a good attitude .. asked her if she's been treated well and she hesitates.. generally yes but she doesn't like the angry customers. . Angry? Yep, some are asking for full service and when she refuses they get angry... ffs; I know most of you reading this treat the girls with respect, know they have boundaries and enjoy what you're given.. and they all give, all day every day.. you want fs, go to a fs shop, don't cajole or harass the girl doing massage into doing something she is uncomfortable with.. Be nice, don't expect every ml to be a porn star and don't treat them as such.. and to those of you who treat the girls well, good on you, it's a pleasure speaking to you through this forum..

[Starved]

You should really be a little concerned if you mistreat the girls ,there are cameras at the entrance and you never know what friends the girls have or connections to the shop.Its just possible you could be recognised .

[intensly]

That is bad!... !!! When ML or WL tells me i am kind and thank you , i always ask why do u say that .They answer always the same some customer so rude to them and if you gonna be rude to ML or WL just dont go there !!!! be nice to them trust me they do better service if you nice to them

[perfect23]

Its very sad to hear about these reports of forced services

[Babycat]

In the past, I've heard Asian girls from various agencies say the following:

(i) Indians want it cheap and to come as many times as possible;
(ii) Middle Eastern guys are really rough, treat girls just like a piece of meat and want anal most times;
(iii) Chinese guys see WL as just sluts; and
(iv) Caucasian guys tend to treat the girls the best.


Most cases I heard involve Blacks, Indians or alike, and Mideast people although other races can have such bastards as well but usually with a smaller proportion.


Its very sad to hear about these reports of forced services

It's true.
"They" want to receive premium service with the cheapest price, even free. If they have to pay, then they try to "use" the service as much as they can. They treat Mls like animals, but they act like animals too. After seeing them, we get tired, physically and mentally. And of course, really need to take showers immediately as they are smelly.
"they" are stingy, mean, and rude. Of course not all of them as I've met someone who is gentle and nice, but they're just minority only.
Sorry but some nationalities of Caucasian are my nightmares too, but at least still better than "them".

[Babycat]

In the past, I've heard Asian girls from various agencies say the following:

(i) Indians want it cheap and to come as many times as possible;
(ii) Middle Eastern guys are really rough, treat girls just like a piece of meat and want anal most times;
(iii) Chinese guys see WL as just sluts; and
(iv) Caucasian guys tend to treat the girls the best.


Most cases I heard involve Blacks, Indians or alike, and Mideast people although other races can have such bastards as well but usually with a smaller proportion.


Its very sad to hear about these reports of forced services
Their souls are disabled

[Babycat]

In the past, I've heard Asian girls from various agencies say the following:

(i) Indians want it cheap and to come as many times as possible;
(ii) Middle Eastern guys are really rough, treat girls just like a piece of meat and want anal most times;
(iii) Chinese guys see WL as just sluts; and
(iv) Caucasian guys tend to treat the girls the best.


Most cases I heard involve Blacks, Indians or alike, and Mideast people although other races can have such bastards as well but usually with a smaller proportion.


Its very sad to hear about these reports of forced services

It's true.
"They" want to receive premium service with the cheapest price, even free. If they have to pay, then they try to "use" the service as much as they can. They treat Mls like animals, but they act like animals too. After seeing them, we get tired, physically and mentally. And of course, really need to take showers immediately as they are smelly.
"they" are stingy, mean, and rude. Of course not all of them as I've met someone who is gentle and nice, but they're just minority only.
Sorry but some nationalities of Caucasian are my nightmares too, but at least still better than "them".

[AHLUNGOR]

Hey Baby,

Three times a lady !

I think I get your message !

[caff3ry]

The girls should have a panic button in the room,the shops are getting their cut of the girls hard(pardon the pun)earned money they should provide some safety .

Bump this! Whole heartily agree

[caff3ry]

Agreed, I have visited many different WLs and for me at least the complaints about customers tend to be across the board. IF I was to generalise it would be that Indians are complained about not for violence, but for cheapness (as in they always try to bargain the ladies down) - but even the WLs I have talked to about this admit that that is a cultural thing rather than a sign of disrespect.

What I have found really saddening is when a WL won't see me because I am caucasian and they have had bad experiences with other caucs. I can usually find another lady in the shop and if it is a shop I have been to before then the other ladies I have seen will generally reassure the new girl.

ALL punters can be assholes. It is up to us to not be.

Birch, you are probably best not to get involved in that situation as it seems none of the ladies were being physically hurt? Had you got involved then they (and you) may have been. Best option is to get a good look at the asshole's face and report to the authorities.

I agree with Indians always trying to bargain I think it's a cultural thing but common sense should also come into play a bit. We should all know that you can't put a price on great or exceptional service that stuff is hard enough to come by as it is. So to have a forum such as this that helps us to seek those of great service is a real blessing. On a personal note I won't say who but because I 100% believe in my "you can't put a price on good service" (I used to work in retail and can understand what it's like from a customers point of view and a seller allbeit selling vastly different thing >.>) I turned down a discount offered to me by a ML I flat out told her "you can't discount good customer service" and happily handed her the full fee. Great to see she appreciated my compliment and gesture :)

[caff3ry]

Unfortunately there are some twats out there who shouldn't be allowed into shops.. I usually go to rnt and a few things of late have happened that make you think.. one is the arse who agrees to a nude hj with a Thai ml, gets his jollies, dresses and walks out, refuses to pay the agreed tip.. now I know the girl, great service, friendly as can be... and yep, any trust she has gone for good.. the second is a girl in tears in my session because she knows her next customer is a cock; pushy and disrespectful and keeps asking for more than she is willing to do, a battle of wills it seems.. She comes out OK but not a pleasant experience for her.. and yesterday with a new girl, lovely girl, friendly and playfull with a good attitude .. asked her if she's been treated well and she hesitates.. generally yes but she doesn't like the angry customers. . Angry? Yep, some are asking for full service and when she refuses they get angry... ffs; I know most of you reading this treat the girls with respect, know they have boundaries and enjoy what you're given.. and they all give, all day every day.. you want fs, go to a fs shop, don't cajole or harass the girl doing massage into doing something she is uncomfortable with.. Be nice, don't expect every ml to be a porn star and don't treat them as such.. and to those of you who treat the girls well, good on you, it's a pleasure speaking to you through this forum..

Pleasure to talk to you too, wish I could thumbs up or like this post

[CunningLinguist]

In general legit MLs think Indian and middle eastern men are bad customers also, they say smelly, stingy, and demanding, but not all are like this just enough to be a noticeable correlation. Some also say that young aussie caucs are bad too!

[icecool]

I am sure the majority of the customers are nice people . It only about 5 % of them are dhead . It is the same in every Profession . But it true that certain race will more dhead than other race. Most shop owner will easily recognise them . It is same as on any business you will know who is the dhead .

[Babycat]

Honestly, sometime I have nightmares of being abused by bad clients. Can't imagine what a WL has to go through. must be vert tough!