RIP! JB Bart Cummings, age 87, 12 Melbourne Cups! Legend !

[AHLUNGOR]

We lost a national icon and turf legend in Bart Cummings today !

Passing of an era !

TJ Smith, Colin Hayes and now Bart !

Racing will never be the same again with the old guards !!

The good news is, the next generations go on:

Gai Waterhouse, David Hayes, Anthony and James Cummings ain't too bad either !

Rest in peace you great man !

What would the Melbourne Cup be like this year without Bart !!

Salute !

[AHLUNGOR]

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[AHLUNGOR]

Purely on a punting sense - i.e. betting on the TAB, Bart has not been too good to me - but I did have two big wins on the Cup using Bart's horse as anchor :

In 1990: won the trifecta two times on separate tickets: Kingston Rule and The Fantom Chance and the field, and one ticket with 6 horse boxed. Paid about $1,200

In 1991: won the trifecta again with six horses boxed, paid around $5,000 (actually got the first 4 horses, Super Impose was 40-1 or something and came 4th, but Let's Elope was too good !)

[carmen farquis]

I read barts book last year its very good if you like horse racing

[The Jet]

WHen was the last time Bart was at the Melbourne Cup?

Also we now have D K Weir ;)

[Sextus]

I read barts book last year its very good if you like horse racing

Maybe I should read it because:

What does a trainer do?

Is the trick in the selection of horses to take on? Like football recruiter talent scouts? But the horses are all young and unproved, and unraced, unlike in football, so that can't be it.

And it's not like a football coach, the horses can't be given pre-race pep talks, because they are f**king dumb animals.

Alright, there is the nutrition aspect, but that is a vet's expertise, so, while important, that has got nothing to do with the trainer either, apart from him delegating which vet.

The jockey does the work out on the training paddock making the horse race fit.

Making a horse fit sounds shit easy to me. Just race the **** around the circuit at dawn for a few weeks.

Meanwhile the trainer watches through binoculars everyone else doing the work.

So just what the fuck does a "trainer" actually do? Sounds like they get all these plaudits for doing fuck nothing really. :shout:

[croney]

Onya Alunger. He certainly was a genius horse trainer and a great person. Not only trained Melbourne Cup winners but the winner of nearly any good race you care to name.

Legend. Champion

[AHLUNGOR]

Onya Alunger. He certainly was a genius horse trainer and a great person. Not only trained Melbourne Cup winners but the winner of nearly any good race you care to name.

Legend. Champion



His legend will live on !

His grand son James has two winners and two seconds at Canterbury this afternoon. I have a little each way bets on all the Cummings runners and had a small win, enough for two RnT sessions no less...................haha.

For the record, I am placing an early Melbourne Cup bet on one of the Cummings horse who won first up in a 1,580 race today : Nazir (4 year old gelding, Sire: Mastercraftsman - Danhill line, Dam: Visique) very nicely breed, plenty of Northern Dancer bloodlines in his pedigree and Blushing Groom and Sir Tristram on the dam side - plenty of staying blood there), current odds for the Cup: 67 to 1, worth a buck or two each way IMHO !

Cheers

[Travelmate]

best horse that make me win money...

saintly, shaftberry avenue, tristinah

[AHLUNGOR]

best horse that make me win money...

saintly, shaftberry avenue, tristinah


Makybe Diva is the one horse that made me the most money !! two trifecta and wins on her 2nd and 3rd Melbourne Cups !! and a few other wins along the way including the Cox Plate trifecta before her 3rd Cup !

[Travelmate]

Makybe Diva is the one horse that made me the most money !! two trifecta and wins on her 2nd and 3rd Melbourne Cups !! and a few other wins along the way including the Cox Plate trifecta before her 3rd Cup !

But that is not a JB cumming horse

[AHLUNGOR]

But that is not a JB cumming horse


Let's Elope and So You Think then !!

[kuntous]

Maybe I should read it because:

What does a trainer do?

Is the trick in the selection of horses to take on? Like football recruiter talent scouts? But the horses are all young and unproved, and unraced, unlike in football, so that can't be it.

And it's not like a football coach, the horses can't be given pre-race pep talks, because they are f**king dumb animals.

Alright, there is the nutrition aspect, but that is a vet's expertise, so, while important, that has got nothing to do with the trainer either, apart from him delegating which vet.

The jockey does the work out on the training paddock making the horse race fit.

Making a horse fit sounds shit easy to me. Just race the **** around the circuit at dawn for a few weeks.

Meanwhile the trainer watches through binoculars everyone else doing the work.

So just what the fuck does a "trainer" actually do? Sounds like they get all these plaudits for doing fuck nothing really. :shout:

Point on Sextus.
Horses are natural runners!
How much "training" do they need?

Jockey a race winning horse then maybe you can say that you have achieved something!

[kuntous]

Besides that the horse racing industry has an atrocious animal rights history, poor horses win all this money and glory for the team only to be shot dead once past their prime!

[kuntous]

Most trainers start out as Jockeys, stable hands or track work riders. As such they get to ride horses that have won races, so have achieved something as you suggest.


Thank you for your valuable input!

[croney]

As they say Ignorance is Bliss

[H3da]

Most trainers start out as Jockeys, stable hands or track work riders. As such they get to ride horses that have won races, so have achieved something as you suggest.

Usually runs in the family. Eg. Gai waterhouse, danny o'brien. Most stable hands/track riders will never be a trainer unless its a family business. Top trainers https://www.punters.com.au/stats/top-trainers-by-state/