Clover Moore spending over $10 m on Statute?

[doctorspock]

Shouldn't the money be better spent on feeding the homeless? What are your thoughts.

[kingwally]

Fuck the homeless !!!!...I see these cunts every day and know a few of them, they ALL get the dole, they ALL have smart phones, they ALL get free clothes etc from the Sydney City Council. The Sydney Council actually puts on a day for them every 6 months where they get free food, free haircuts, free dental treatment, free clothing (second hand stuff) free furniture (second hand) AND free massages (not RNT). Many of them beg most of the day in the city and get hundreds of dollars every day, and go straight to the pokies either in pubs or the casino. Many of them are offered housing through the Housing Commission but refuse to live there because it is away from the CBD where they get the best tips.

The money for this statue could be put to better use within the city of Sydney other than a stupid fucking statue, other than the homeless.

[aussiegaigin]

It is not a statute, it is not even a statue. Just a silly bit of expensive "artwork".

[kingwally]

It is not a statute, it is not even a statue. Just a silly bit of expensive "artwork".

Yes...it is basically Clover Moore saying to all of Sydney..."This is my monument to Sydney, haven't I been a great Lord Mayor"...it is basically monument from Clover to Clover..a vanity project.

[cleetusvandamme]

Fuck the homeless !!!!...I see these cunts every day and know a few of them, they ALL get the dole, they ALL have smart phones, they ALL get free clothes etc from the Sydney City Council. The Sydney Council actually puts on a day for them every 6 months where they get free food, free haircuts, free dental treatment, free clothing (second hand stuff) free furniture (second hand) AND free massages (not RNT). Many of them beg most of the day in the city and get hundreds of dollars every day, and go straight to the pokies either in pubs or the casino. Many of them are offered housing through the Housing Commission but refuse to live there because it is away from the CBD where they get the best tips.

The money for this statue could be put to better use within the city of Sydney other than a stupid fucking statue, other than the homeless.


Been watching A Current Affair?

[cassius]

I agree with Dr Spock

[Choc-O-Block]

[QUOTE=kingwally;1179952]Fuck the homeless !!!!...I see these cunts every day and know a few of them

I get your point KW but I have to disagree with you, particularly on one point. The homeless aren't the cunts here, Clover Moore is THE cunt! I'm sure her lifestyle along with her narcissistic ego are doing much better than the homeless. At least the council are doing something humane.

[rooter]

Every time governments Local, State or Federal spend money on the Arts there are always critics who come out saying "what a waste of money" "it should have been better spent on blah, blah blah"
OK we need to spend money of welfare, education, health etc, but we need to spend money on the arts too.
Every major city in the world has its landmarks and monuments and sculptures. Some are beautiful, some are ugly, and some are weird, and people will always disagree on which is which.
There is always debate as to whether modern sculptures are really art or just rubbish etc, but we can't just keep repeating classic forms of sculpture and art, as beautiful as they may be, we have to be bold and daring and do something different and I think the "giant tapeworm" is pretty cool and will generate lots of interest, curiosity, and debate and that's a good thing for a city.
There is more to life than just food, housing, transport, defence, health care etc. - these things are all important and should be given priority, but as a society we can spend money on the arts too; that's what cvilised societies do.

[aussiegaigin]

Would all those people saying "we should help the homeless" give up a few punts and donate the money to these causes instead?

[Dokes]

Homeless people can be stereotyped.
Sometimes there are legitimate reasons for their dilemma .
Family violence , relationship breakdown , housing affordability,
employment issue's, race and inequality and mental illness.

[kingwally]

Would all those people saying "we should help the homeless" give up a few punts and donate the money to these causes instead?

Or better still, how about those who want to help the homeless let these same homeless stay with them in their house/ apartment or flat?

[kingwally]

Been watching A Current Affair?

No mate...I work in the city now and see them everywhere. I also used to work in the casino and would see them in there daily changing all the coins they begged from people in the streets get changed into notes that would go straight into the pokies.

[jeter]

I am a big fan of the Cloud Arch.

10/10 for creativity. Better than the Opera House imo.

48989

This is worth $10 million

[cleetusvandamme]

No mate...I work in the city now and see them everywhere. I also used to work in the casino and would see them in there daily changing all the coins they begged from people in the streets get changed into notes that would go straight into the pokies.

Fair enough, sounds like a comprehensive study and that you've considered the many complicated reasons for homelessness.

I don't mind the council spending 10 mill on art but not blown away by the artist's impressions of this piece yet. Hopeful it'll be different in reality.

[jeter]

I am not Peter Costello, but will this enormous wiggle line really attract millions of dollars in tourism?

[cuteguy]

This woman is spending $11.3 million of public funds on a cloud arch sculpture after initial costings were $3.5 million for the erection of such sculpture. What a waste of public funds that could have been spent much better. Shame on you Clover Moore!

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cloud-arch-clover-moores-deputy-kerryn-phelps-argues-against-irresponsible-art/news-story/a5fb6bc17c53e8660fd6d9f0f745a7a5

[aussiegaigin]

Problem with homeless people is that if they went out and found 1000 people on the the street today and gave them a home, within a couple of days there would be another 1000 people in the same spots looking for the same benefits.

Once governments start giving things away, the leeches come out looking for their share. Just look at what the dole has turned into.

[CunningLinguist]

We have heaps of art in the city already, better to spend the money on subsidising RnTs that will make the most people happy :)

[God Member]

It is a scaled back simplified version now. The engineering involved in the first version was too complicated to be built over town Hall station. I don't mind the arch but I don't like where it is located. It is spoiling permanently the sightlines to the nineteenth century precinct of The Town Hall, QVB, and St Andrews Church. This vandalism won't be fully revealed until it is built The sightlines are our heritage as much as the buildings are. These thumbnails aren't giving you anything like the full picture of its impact, but it can be related to the way monorail rail used to cut the QVB and many other heritage buildings in half. Fuck the thing off out of the 19th century district.

Rooters supportive argument I agree with, but the arch is in the wrong place.

Also the maintanence on it is going to be an high regular expense, and I read somewhere that pigeons and seagulls will be shitting on the public from it 24 / 7.

https://s26.postimg.org/mtpl78txh/Cloud-_Arch-6.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/mtpl78txh/)

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[Pussyhands]

On average it takes 10 to 12 years in queue to get housing commission.

No fking person wants to live on the streets esp winter - are u kidding

Take a 20 min train from a few suburbs to get to cbd if begging was sooo good.

[cleetusvandamme]

Problem with homeless people is that if they went out and found 1000 people on the the street today and gave them a home, within a couple of days there would be another 1000 people in the same spots looking for the same benefits.

Once governments start giving things away, the leeches come out looking for their share. Just look at what the dole has turned into.

What has the dole turned into?

[kingwally]

What has the dole turned into?

An alternative to working for those lazy cunts who do not want to work.

[doctorspock]

Well I don't mind doing the "artwork" and get paid $10 m. Is another of her buddies getting the contract? You should trace the people who got the vivid contract! Is the artwork going to say commemorate the almighty Clover? I think there is always better use of the $. Artwork is the best way to channel $ to your own pocket. They use artwork for paying bribes in other countries. Just a thought besides punting!

[God Member]

Vivid is fun and it gets people out in mid-winter, but I severely doubt the claims made for how much it is worth to the Sydney economy. I can't remember these figures but it is usually something ridiculous like - actually I've just looked it up - 20 million. What, given to the fast food joints at Circular Quay? :shout: People just wander around, they don't spend a freakin' zac. There is no-one to spend it on and nowhere to spend it. They might grab a coffee from a van to warm up!

Same for the gay mardi gras, they are claiming that is worth $38 million. In tinsel and supermarket condoms? :shout:

[kingwally]

Vivid is fun and it gets people out in mid-winter, but I severely doubt the claims made for how much it is worth to the Sydney economy. I can't remember these figures but it is usually something ridiculous like - actually I've just looked it up - 20 million. What, given to the fast food joints at Circular Quay? :shout: People just wander around, they don't spend a freakin' zac. There is no-one to spend it on and nowhere to spend it. They might grab a coffee from a van to warm up!

Same for the gay mardi gras, they are claiming that is worth $38 million. In tinsel and supermarket condoms? :shout:

No mate...lots of Interstate people come here for Vivid and they book hotel rooms/ restaurants/ RNTs etc.

[cleetusvandamme]

An alternative to working for those lazy cunts who do not want to work.

That's what people have always said. Personally, I think that if someone can live on $250 a week then good luck to them. It does provide a certain benefit to society, ie. social security, lower crime rate etc.

I also don't think everything has to be justified with an economic benefit. Art is important whether it brings in money or not and some things that bring in money like poker machines have a terrible effect on society.

[CunningLinguist]

Send all the homeless to the USA, they can sell their blood there and earn an income ...

[BongKong]

That's what people have always said. Personally, I think that if someone can live on $250 a week then good luck to them. It does provide a certain benefit to society, ie. social security, lower crime rate etc.

I also don't think everything has to be justified with an economic benefit. Art is important whether it brings in money or not and some things that bring in money like poker machines have a terrible effect on society.

You should love poker machines - they bring in a tonne of tax to pay for your dole bludging mates.

You sound like Bill Shorten and Nick Xenophons love child.

[kingwally]

I'm with rooter that it's a good idea. By the way sorting out the homeless into accommodation is the State Government responsibility not the City of Sydney. Do many of you who complain about Clover actually pay rates to the City of Sydney? Just my 2 cents.Yes...I am a ratepayer for Sydney City Council

[AHLUNGOR]

Same for the gay mardi gras, they are claiming that is worth $38 million. In tinsel and supermarket condoms? :shout:


I am not too sure about the Vivid festival but the Mardi Gras is without a doubt a major event in the Sydney calendar, every year it generates millions to the local economy from country, interstates and international visitors . And that's a fact, try to book a hotel room in the city on MG night next year and you'll know what I'm talking about .

[cuteguy]

I noticed with some of these homeless people that they work as a team on some corners in the city. They sit for a few hours then someone changes place with them and so on. The numbers of homeless people begging for money is certainly on the increase in the CBD.

[God Member]

I am not too sure about the Vivid festival but the Mardi Gras is without a doubt a major event in the Sydney calendar, every year it generates millions to the local economy from country, interstates and international visitors . And that's a fact, try to book a hotel room in the city on MG night next year and you'll know what I'm talking about .

You can only calculate the percentage difference between average occupancy rates and the occupancy rate during the GMG. That is a much smaller figure. They do like to exxagerate. eg, they usually quote 300,000 lining the street to watch the parade. Sceptics later calculated that even at ten people deep (when it is actually more like 4 or 5) the parade would have to have a route 15 kilometres long. :shout: It's political gaming, and the same goes for the economic figures too.

[aussiegaigin]

While I can't quote actual figures, I have worked in the tourist industry and know that there is a high visitation rate from outside Sydney (interstate and overseas) during the Mardi Gras period. It is not just the parade, but lots of other activities over a longer period (2 to 3 weeks IIRC). Most MG visitors would stay here for at least a week. Vivid spectators might be closer to 1 or 2 nights only.

[cleetusvandamme]

You should love poker machines - they bring in a tonne of tax to pay for your dole bludging mates.

You sound like Bill Shorten and Nick Xenophons love child.

Ok champ, thanks for bringing up more relevant facts. Good talk.

[BongKong]

Ok champ, thanks for bringing up more relevant facts. Good talk.

Nah mate i just reckon people like yourself are always looking to find excuses for individuals lack of their own accountability and discipline.

Its people like you who have led the way to lock out laws etc. Oh if people cant control themselves lets just blame something else.

[kingwally]

Addiction, violence, heath and poor education all contribute to homelessness. They are not lazy cunts wanting to live for free (you call that living?) they are people who aren't functioning and need help. Homelessness can happen to anyone, and if you don't think that's true in your case, then you're one privileged individual in a world where tens of millions have no determination over their own lives. What do you think the sex trade funds? Drugs, gambling or basic living expenses in most cases. Complain all you like as you step over people too poor to contemplate paying an extra $50 for CIM. Must be so great to be you.
What ??? I am just an ordinary guy that see and deals with these people daily. BTW I am not complaining...I see what these people are given and that is what I reported. I have also seen that many of these people get from $50 to $600 daily through begging on the streets...NO JOKE. There are some genuine cases that have mental problems and many that cannot control their vices...maybe a bleeding heart like you could offer them a bed at your places...that is if you feel so strongly about their plight.

[BongKong]

What ??? I am just an ordinary guy that see and deals with these people daily. BTW I am not complaining...I see what these people are given and that is what I reported. I have also seen that many of these people get from $50 to $600 daily through begging on the streets...NO JOKE. There are some genuine cases that have mental problems and many that cannot control their vices...maybe a bleeding heart like you could offer them a bed at your places...that is if you feel so strongly about their plight.

Forget the bed even - these blokes are all talk and wouldnt even l skip their nude tug once a month to donate the $50 i reckon.

[cleetusvandamme]

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[eltran]

If the people in the Sydney Council area wanted to get rid of Clover they could have done it many times over.

If you think $10 million is waste you should take a look at the state & federal governments. The feds in particular piss away billions every year, most of which goes straight into the pockets of their donators.

[doctorspock]

The money could be better spent elsewhere for example, free bicycle hire? I see mainly couriers use it these days.

[cassius]

It's not trendy to help poor people in the streets. Even in the middle of winter they chucked them off Martin place. They have no compassion.

[doctorspock]

Aust is becoming like USA, $ $ $. Money can buy anything. Even the role as president. There's no culture or values or principles.

[tbl17]

The amount of people's money spent by politicians are mind-boggling.. and we barely have any ideas what they spend it on.

[doctorspock]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/sydneys-deputy-mayor-quits-team-over-council-accountability/8654684

Why the deputy mayor quit is obvious!