Why are so many chinese/thai prostitutes studying in Australian universities

[Mao]

I appreciate the fantasy of fucking actual university students but I've found it perculiar as to why do they come to an Australian university.

Universities in china isnt even that bad. Their top universities shares similar global ranking to Australia's top universities. Im sure with the number of Chinese universities she couldve found one that suited her. Isn't there a lot of universities in china?

Whats the secret story behind wanting to study in Australian/overseas universities so bad?

[BigBoy]

They come here to work and earn Aussie $$$

[Babycat]

They come here because they want to stay here: safe place, not as polluted as in Beijing or ShangHai; eat without worrying about poisoning, cancers...

They come here to work and earn Aussie $$$

[yug]

I appreciate the fantasy of fucking actual university students but I've found it perculiar as to why do they come to an Australian university.

Universities in china isnt even that bad. Their top universities shares similar global ranking to Australia's top universities. Im sure with the number of Chinese universities she couldve found one that suited her. Isn't there a lot of universities in china?

Whats the secret story behind wanting to study in Australian/overseas universities so bad?

Are you kidding me?...You find this surprising?

Here is why they come:

1) You are considered in high regards if you have a degree from Western/English-speaking countries.
2) It's easy to get a job if you have a degree from Australia/USA/UK because you will know English and Chinese.
3) You can go up the career ladder if you have Master Degree from Australian/UK/US universities.
4) To get PR and stay in Aus: Right now, there are only two developed countries where you can get Permanent Residency rather easily - Australia and Canada.
Canada is dead cold.
5) They are not fond of (some even hate) their own country: less freedom, economic turmoil, less career prospect, economic inequality, lots of other issues.

As to why they go into prostitution:

1) They soon realize they can't make $12,000 semester fee doing odd jobs.
2) Australia is just way too fcking expensive; they just haven't done their research beforehand.


As to whether it's good idea to study in Australian Universities:
My answer is No. There are way cheaper and better universities in US. Plus there are thousands of universities spread over 50 states. You are bound to find one that is cheap and good enough. US colleges are more fun with clubs, fraternities, sororities.

[AHLUNGOR]

Are you kidding me?...You find this surprising?

Here is why they come:

1) You are considered in high regards if you have a degree from Western/English-speaking countries.
2) It's easy to get a job if you have a degree from Australia/USA/UK because you will know English and Chinese.
3) You can go up the career ladder if you have Master Degree from Australian/UK/US universities.
4) To get PR and stay in Aus: Right now, there are only two developed countries where you can get Permanent Residency rather easily - Australia and Canada.
Canada is dead cold.
5) They are not fond of (some even hate) their own country: less freedom, economic turmoil, less career prospect, economic inequality, lots of other issues.

As to why they go into prostitution:

1) They soon realize they can't make $12,000 semester fee doing odd jobs.
2) Australia is just way too fcking expensive; they just haven't done their research beforehand.


As to whether it's good idea to study in Australian Universities:
My answer is No. There are way cheaper and better universities in US. Plus there are thousands of universities spread over 50 states. You are bound to find one that is cheap and good enough. US colleges are more fun with clubs, fraternities, sororities.

Very good summation yug,

Pretty much spot on.

[Everdure]

Agree with Yug Oz universities are not worth it and these Int'l students have not done their homework properly. From my own experience US and Canada universities standards are higher and potentially offer better career prospects after graduating. Maybe proximity to home and better climate is higher on their agenda. We are very lucky to have such variety to punt here. Peace.

[AHLUNGOR]

Agree with Yug Oz universities are not worth it and these Int'l students have not done their homework properly. From my own experience US and Canada universities standards are higher and potentially offer better career prospects after graduating. Maybe proximity to home and better climate is higher on their agenda. We are very lucky to have such variety to punt here. Peace.

It’s the visa conditions man, a lot harder for a Chinese/Thai student to get the student visa in the US than in Aust.

And many of them are Not here for the University but in those English Language schools or doggy business colleges, much easier to get in.

[rooter]

Yug sums it up very accurately.
One thing I will add is that very very few Asian WLs are students at universities.
They are usually doing English courses or other courses at dodgy private language colleges and business colleges.
Basically the student visa is just to allow them to be in the country so they can work, make lots of money, send money back home, travel, party etc.
They are not interested in study or the qualification.
They just do the bare minimum required study.

[Jason456]

I guess many WL just enrolled to uni to get a valid long term working VISA so that they can work without much the risk of being deported. Although they should pay more attention to ATO than Immi these days.

[local]

Are you kidding me?...You find this surprising?

Here is why they come:

1) You are considered in high regards if you have a degree from Western/English-speaking countries.
2) It's easy to get a job if you have a degree from Australia/USA/UK because you will know English and Chinese.
3) You can go up the career ladder if you have Master Degree from Australian/UK/US universities.
4) To get PR and stay in Aus: Right now, there are only two developed countries where you can get Permanent Residency rather easily - Australia and Canada.
Canada is dead cold.
5) They are not fond of (some even hate) their own country: less freedom, economic turmoil, less career prospect, economic inequality, lots of other issues.

As to why they go into prostitution:

1) They soon realize they can't make $12,000 semester fee doing odd jobs.
2) Australia is just way too fcking expensive; they just haven't done their research beforehand.


As to whether it's good idea to study in Australian Universities:
My answer is No. There are way cheaper and better universities in US. Plus there are thousands of universities spread over 50 states. You are bound to find one that is cheap and good enough. US colleges are more fun with clubs, fraternities, sororities.

Australia has the scam "english learning centres" and rather than university they are the target. To live in Australia and work here means that if you can do it right plenty of money to send home to family. Particularly for the thai's, they want to find "a good man" to live with, marry have kids & be sending $$'s home to the family. mmmm "sin sod" I think is the term.

Funny, it seems immigration are getting picky in many cases....

[cuteguy]

Yug sums it up very accurately.
One thing I will add is that very very few Asian WLs are students at universities.
They are usually doing English courses or other courses at dodgy private language colleges and business colleges.
Basically the student visa is just to allow them to be in the country so they can work, make lots of money, send money back home, travel, party etc.
They are not interested in study or the qualification.
They just do the bare minimum required study.

Rooter is right here. Most Asian WLs are not studying in universities but in English taught or business colleges. Many are told by their migration agents what courses they should do to get into Australia. They are not really here to obtain qualifications. They are here to make money which can be sent home (especially for Thais) or to buy expensive items without anyone at home in their homeland suspecting that they are working as a WL and living well.

I recall one Asian girl stating to me how she was working very hard in a restaurant and earning in the vicinity of $16 per hour. Her friend was a WL and was able to afford many luxuries and sent large sums of money to her Mum. The Mum was under the false impression that everyone got paid a lot in Australia and her daughter was working as a waitress. Her Mum and the WL's Mum were best friends. They would talk about their daughters. My friend mentioned how her Mum would criticise her for not being a good daughter because she didn't send enough money to her family. Unfortunately, she didn't know the other girl was working as a WL.

Another reason why many girls come to Australia is in the hope of getting permanent residence and because they like our lifestyle of living.

[Mao]

Her friend was a WL and was able to afford many luxuries and sent large sums of money to her Mum. The Mum was under the false impression that everyone got paid a lot in Australia and her daughter was working as a waitress. Her Mum and the WL's Mum were best friends. They would talk about their daughters. My friend mentioned how her Mum would criticise her for not being a good daughter because she didn't send enough money to her family. Unfortunately, she didn't know the other girl was working as a WL.

Is this called 争气? When you brings face to the family no matter what?

AHLUNGOR or anyone who knows please explain. Would appreciate the insight

[Pussyhands]

I hear a lot of WL from China are working in Aus cuz China had a hard crack down of prostitution.

It’s apparently much harder to do it there now.

I am enjoying the amount of Chinese WL :)

[paddington244]

This is a two edged sword most of these girls can now earn more money in China and for much less hours
than they do in Australia. Once the crackdown finishes or god forbid they make it legal.
God help us all
Shane

[panama]

Why can women earn more money working less hours in China than in Sydney?

[bigfatkilo]

I tell myself that I am a very generous man and give to charities etc.. As I paying for sex from these girls is actually helping them. Why give $100 to charity so, upto 80% goes in admin fees.
So as long as the situation is on their own free will, shops support them and customers are not total fuck heads, this is how world works and I do not judge or think its unethical.

Sex trade and forced is entirely a different thing and perertrators ought to be stoned to death.

I wonder how much of this goes on in Sydney? More likely in outer suburbs!??

[Mao]

This is a two edged sword most of these girls can now earn more money in China and for much less hours
than they do in Australia. Once the crackdown finishes or god forbid they make it legal.
God help us all
Shane give us the scoop on these girls. Do only the best chinese prostitutes come to work overseas? What usually separates a one who decides to take work overseas to one who stays in china?

[BlueX]

Can't really say much about Thais, but have frequented lots of Chinese WL previously, and there certain types out there
1) Enrolled in real uni, studying real degree. Just doing this job to earn extra cash to either support their lives, pay school fee, or to have better life qualities. Many actually hold proper part time jobs, usually only do this job temporarily, also for the fear of being recognized if their classmates visited them (most Japanese and Korean WLs refuse to see respective customer race, but Chinese have no choice since they are usually the big chunk of customers)
2) Language school students, pretty much similar scenario as (1), but often become WL for longer periods
*** Some students may travel interstate to avoid being seen by someone in their area
3) Working holiday, but have not seen many doing this job
4) On tourist visa, just coming here to earn extra cash while on holiday, or purposely came over to do it.

Many girls actually got on this job after being introduced to it by someone or their friends, obviously interested since it pays good. Have not encountered much that actually have prior experiences in this field or similar eg KTV

There are also many who are inexperienced and naive, and have quit immediately after just few days

[AHLUNGOR]

Can't really say much about Thais, but have frequented lots of Chinese WL previously, and there certain types out there
1) Enrolled in real uni, studying real degree. Just doing this job to earn extra cash to either support their lives, pay school fee, or to have better life qualities. Many actually hold proper part time jobs, usually only do this job temporarily, also for the fear of being recognized if their classmates visited them (most Japanese and Korean WLs refuse to see respective customer race, but Chinese have no choice since they are usually the big chunk of customers)
2) Language school students, pretty much similar scenario as (1), but often become WL for longer periods
*** Some students may travel interstate to avoid being seen by someone in their area
3) Working holiday, but have not seen many doing this job
4) On tourist visa, just coming here to earn extra cash while on holiday, or purposely came over to do it.

Many girls actually got on this job after being introduced to it by someone or their friends, obviously interested since it pays good. Have not encountered much that actually have prior experiences in this field or similar eg KTV

There are also many who are inexperienced and naive, and have quit immediately after just few days

Well said Blue,

Totally agreed.

I may just add to your first point, many of these actual Uni students are coming from reasonable income family, otherwise she won’t be able to enroll and get here in the first place, once here, she would want to get a part time job to supplement her living expenses and would find that really difficult. So some took up the massage jobs. And many could have migrated along the way from legit to RnT and may be eventually FS .

As you also stated, many will just do it short term , like only during school holiday, some may travel inter state and some may only work as high class escort - in which a couple of jobs a week is probably enough money to live on, each girls situation could be unique and different, that’s the state of the industry I suppose .

Good luck to them and thanks heaven for them - for giving us horny punters all those choices and opportunities.

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

More on the Thai girls:

I have met many Thai massage girls they all told me they have a main job working in some Thai restaurants. But obviously the massage job provided them with better income, the money they can either saved up or send home to their families.

I also met this very busty Thai girl - Anita ? At 77 Fishwick in Canberra and she lives in Sydney, just go to Canberra every weekend to work in that FS brothel so that she won’t run into people she knows, she was a nurse in Sydney !

[AHLUNGOR]

One of my all times favourites: The very famous EE Cups Singapore girl Milo put herself through University working at 5 Star. Really smart cookie, knew exactly what she was doing and achieved her own goals . Great girl, great tits, great success story !

[Littlewonder]

It starts off as a means to an end to finance their study!

Unfortunately a lot of the working girls find out how much they can earn and so give up the study all together and just work to earn money.

[BlueX]

It starts off as a means to an end to finance their study!

Unfortunately a lot of the working girls find out how much they can earn and so give up the study all together and just work to earn money.

Again, depending on what they are studying. If they are studying legit courses eg law, nursing, accounting etc, pretty sure they would want to finish up instead of wasting all those years of hardwork and effort. Also they can't continue to work if they give up study since your student visa would get cancelled the moment you quit the uni.

Your scenario would ring true to those that study language or vocational courses instead, since they usually started working legit but low paying jobs, getting sick of it. Most of these students doesn't even know how expensive it is to live in Aus until they arrive since most adverts and agency paint Aus as a great place with great pay.

[Mr Bastard]

They come here because they want to stay here: safe place, not as polluted as in Beijing or ShangHai; eat without worrying about poisoning, cancers...

Have you ever had your IQ tested ? I will pay for the quizz if you wish too. And the councilling there after………..

[Mao]

One of my all times favourites: The very famous EE Cups Singapore girl Milo put herself through University working at 5 Star. Really smart cookie, knew exactly what she was doing and achieved her own goals . Great girl, great tits, great success story !
Is this called 争气?

[Babycat]

Have you ever had your IQ tested ? I will pay for the quizz if you wish too. And the councilling there after………..
Does my IQ affect your life, :cool2: and someone used to say men like dumb girls. So don't have to worry or get annoyed with my IQ

[Babycat]

Rooter is right here. Most Asian WLs are not studying in universities but in English taught or business colleges. Many are told by their migration agents what courses they should do to get into Australia. They are not really here to obtain qualifications. They are here to make money which can be sent home (especially for Thais) or to buy expensive items without anyone at home in their homeland suspecting that they are working as a WL and living well.

I recall one Asian girl stating to me how she was working very hard in a restaurant and earning in the vicinity of $16 per hour. Her friend was a WL and was able to afford many luxuries and sent large sums of money to her Mum. The Mum was under the false impression that everyone got paid a lot in Australia and her daughter was working as a waitress. Her Mum and the WL's Mum were best friends. They would talk about their daughters. My friend mentioned how her Mum would criticise her for not being a good daughter because she didn't send enough money to her family. Unfortunately, she didn't know the other girl was working as a WL.

Another reason why many girls come to Australia is in the hope of getting permanent residence and because they like our lifestyle of living.
Most of Thai go for agencies and are recommended to go for English schools or lousy uni/college to keep visa, then they can stay here to work. They don't care much about the courses they go for but skip classes, pay for tutoring agencies to do assignments for them (it actually helps me to earn some extra money sometimes). They spend money on luxury items as others around have, or send home so families can run businesses.
For Chinese mls, lots of them enroll good uni then they want to earn money for expenditures (school fee, renting...). One of my colleagues at KC before studied at a very popular uni and she can speak around 4,5 languages. Very smart one.

Can't really say much about Thais, but have frequented lots of Chinese WL previously, and there certain types out there
1) Enrolled in real uni, studying real degree. Just doing this job to earn extra cash to either support their lives, pay school fee, or to have better life qualities. Many actually hold proper part time jobs, usually only do this job temporarily, also for the fear of being recognized if their classmates visited them (most Japanese and Korean WLs refuse to see respective customer race, but Chinese have no choice since they are usually the big chunk of customers)
2) Language school students, pretty much similar scenario as (1), but often become WL for longer periods
*** Some students may travel interstate to avoid being seen by someone in their area
3) Working holiday, but have not seen many doing this job
4) On tourist visa, just coming here to earn extra cash while on holiday, or purposely came over to do it.

Many girls actually got on this job after being introduced to it by someone or their friends, obviously interested since it pays good. Have not encountered much that actually have prior experiences in this field or similar eg KTV

There are also many who are inexperienced and naive, and have quit immediately after just few days


More on the Thai girls:

I have met many Thai massage girls they all told me they have a main job working in some Thai restaurants. But obviously the massage job provided them with better income, the money they can either saved up or send home to their families.

I also met this very busty Thai girl - Anita ? At 77 Fishwick in Canberra and she lives in Sydney, just go to Canberra every weekend to work in that FS brothel so that she won’t run into people she knows, she was a nurse in Sydney !
One of my KC colleagues is a nurse in Hunter Valley, :) she comes dowm to Sydney on weekends too.

[244 Desire Massage]

Good for you Babycat though I guess his name says it all

[AHLUNGOR]

Is this called 争气?

Not too sure, but not long after Milo quitted 5 Star after her studies, I saw her at the Coles in World Square with a legit looking man similar age by her side, they looked very much in love, I was very happy for her. Hope she lives happily ever after.

BTW, if you count all the current shop owners who used to be a MLs and now running their own businesses successfully, that warms my heart too. And this is what happy endings is all about man !

[Mr Bastard]

Does my IQ affect your life, :cool2: and someone used to say men like dumb girls. So don't have to worry or get annoyed with my IQ

Does the polluted air in Beijing affect your life? Did you think the Green Chicken Curry was poisoned, or the container it was in would give you cancer.

You do not understand the meaning of annoyed, I will forgive you this…..

Testing is on most days at the clinic if you change your mind

[Babycat]

Does the polluted air in Beijing affect your life? Did you think the Green Chicken Curry was poisoned, or the container it was in would give you cancer.

You do not understand the meaning of annoyed, I will forgive you this…..

Testing is on most days at the clinic if you change your mind
I don't need your forgiveness.
All of what I wrote are drawn from what I feel, hear, and experience. You're here and might have no idea about other places in the world. People here sometimes don't know how lucky they are while holding Australian passports.

[Marrickvill_5]

so aggressive lol what's going on?
fight? bring it on! woof!

[lockhart]

I don't need your forgiveness.
All of what I wrote are drawn from what I feel, hear, and experience. You're here and might have no idea about other places in the world. People here sometimes don't know how lucky they are while holding Australian passports.

Fortunately it just your own self feeling.. When was last time your are in Beijing, Shanghai , Xiamen,...I keep travelling between Sydney and Chinese cities.(just returned last week) .. witness weather improvement in Beijing, Shanghai. Witness infra-structure ,technology and new business prcties accomplishment. Have you been to Alibaba Super Market in Shanghai, Woolworth CEO just mentioned in news press two days ago he wants to learn from Chinese retailers - technology and operating models. Also notice patriotic pride of lots of 90s 00s Chinese youngster are arising and proud to be Chinese. Nowadays Lots of Chinese students go back home after finished studies, achieved their study goals, in USA, UK, Canada and Australia . Most important these young Chinese are confident, of high self-esteem , they realize heaps of opportunities in today China as long as individual is CAPABLE . Get real! Get result , better life will follow.

[Mr Bastard]

I don't need your forgiveness.
All of what I wrote are drawn from what I feel, hear, and experience. You're here and might have no idea about other places in the world. People here sometimes don't know how lucky they are while holding Australian passports.


I have travelled far and wide little lady……and every time I land back here in Oz it is very much appreciated for I know how fortunate I am………..

[schloong]

Yeah - I travel overseas quite a lot & feel like kissing the ground every time I get off the plane here...

[lockhart]

If you came from a third world county then of course it’s better to stay in Australia but there are many other countries that are better than australia . So not everybody want to stay in Australia .some people don’t like Australia they rather go home . I seem a lot of Chinese as soon they graduated they went home as they get more career opportunities in China and some don’t like the culture in Australia . Australia’s economy is getting worse by the day


Shared with my Chinese team manager after weekly operation review, about BC's "Australian Passport" comment . My manager laughed and shared with me the Wolf warrior 2 movie and recent Chinese citizen evacuation effort carried out by Chinese government from waring zone and Bali. Very obvious, hey are so proud as Chinese and share with me the movie scrip from Wolf Warrior 2 movie on Chinese Passport. Well Well Well

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[wattle]

Spoke to a Chinese university student, who is a close friend

She told me it is easier for a Chinese student to enrol in Australia, compared to USA or UK (not exactly sure why, but I expect that the USA often require formal interview process)

She also said that Australian universities arent as expensive

Another thing - the timezone is similar to China, so parents are happy that they an easily contact their children in Australia

Compared to the USA, where the opposite timezone means that often the family cant contact their children because they are asleep

[Mao]

Fortunately it just your own self feeling.. When was last time your are in Beijing, Shanghai , Xiamen,...I keep travelling between Sydney and Chinese cities.(just returned last week) .. witness weather improvement in Beijing, Shanghai. Witness infra-structure ,technology and new business prcties accomplishment. Have you been to Alibaba Super Market in Shanghai, Woolworth CEO just mentioned in news press two days ago he wants to learn from Chinese retailers - technology and operating models. Also notice patriotic pride of lots of 90s 00s Chinese youngster are arising and proud to be Chinese. Nowadays Lots of Chinese students go back home after finished studies, achieved their study goals, in USA, UK, Canada and Australia . Most important these young Chinese are confident, of high self-esteem , they realize heaps of opportunities in today China as long as individual is CAPABLE . Get real! Get result , better life will follow.

China really does look like the land of opportunity these days. It's almost like how people felt about Australia and America many years ago but i feel that if you work hard you will accomplish what you desire otherwise many Australians would be aspiring to pursue careers in China.
I met with an '89 chinese guy and he fits your description exactly. He knew how far china has come and speaks of his country with a lot of pride but on the otherhand i also spoke to another guy who came to australia on a work and holiday visa and he said although china is rich most of its people are poor and he has a point the people you described in your post do not represent average 90s,00s chinese. Any chinese or foreigner, for that matter, that can live in Australia esp Sydney or Melbourne is at the very least above average.
China's a great place to make money for capable foreigners

[BlueX]

Yes, China is indeed where most people want to invest, and its people whom previously would have wanted to find opportunity outside, are going back owing to the lack of opportunity elsewhere. But this is where the fairy tales end.

If you are witty and have good connections, you will succeed and get rich. But what many people don't understand is the amount of redtapes, corruption/bribes, nepotism, and most important, connections with important people needed. Same as Aus, but all you need is getting dead drunk with your mates and boss

Lest we forget, not all is sunshine and rainbows. Beneath all the new and glitzy cities, majority of its people are still poor and scrapping by living, and its welfare system almost non-existant. People who are returning back are usually those from well off families, while those thats poor prefer to just stay in Aus knowing they are actually able to earn or fare better than in China.

Also, you are always welcome to go China to be brainwashed by CCP as well, returning back claiming South China Sea islands to be theirs because it contains the word "China"

[lockhart]

Lots of Aboriginal descendants state Jan 26 is Aborigines national sorrow day. Not really all sunshine and rainbows, so true.

[BongKong]

Lots of Aboriginal descendants state Jan 26 is Aborigines national sorrow day. Not really all sunshine and rainbows, so true.

The only sorrowful thing is we still keep harping on about this shit. Who cares what has or hasnt happened as it is all debatable. Fucks like you that continue to try and find the next new problem to create or divide people are the problem. How about just take the day to celebrate being Australian no matter how you got here

[BlueX]

So much have been spent in trying to improve their lives, but if they continue to waste those resources on booze and drugs, lazying around expecting free money from the Gov on the basis that the land belongs to them, then there is no pity for them.

[xboyx]

Are you kidding me?...You find this surprising?

Here is why they come:

1) You are considered in high regards if you have a degree from Western/English-speaking countries.
2) It's easy to get a job if you have a degree from Australia/USA/UK because you will know English and Chinese.
3) You can go up the career ladder if you have Master Degree from Australian/UK/US universities.
4) To get PR and stay in Aus: Right now, there are only two developed countries where you can get Permanent Residency rather easily - Australia and Canada.
Canada is dead cold.
5) They are not fond of (some even hate) their own country: less freedom, economic turmoil, less career prospect, economic inequality, lots of other issues.

As to why they go into prostitution:

1) They soon realize they can't make $12,000 semester fee doing odd jobs.
2) Australia is just way too fcking expensive; they just haven't done their research beforehand.


As to whether it's good idea to study in Australian Universities:
My answer is No. There are way cheaper and better universities in US. Plus there are thousands of universities spread over 50 states. You are bound to find one that is cheap and good enough. US colleges are more fun with clubs, fraternities, sororities.

dude, China is the place to make money now, not Australia.
Australia is good to work as WL/ML as it's legal and good money, for anything else, go to China.
Chinese dudes are filthy rich, especially from big cities in China.

[lockhart]

The only sorrowful thing is we still keep harping on about this shit. Who cares what has or hasnt happened as it is all debatable. Fucks like you that continue to try and find the next new problem to create or divide people are the problem. How about just take the day to celebrate being Australian no matter how you got here


Fucks like you keep thinking shits , right?

[sukeong]

Guys calm down. All this mud slinging and country bashing in a sex forum is probably off topic. Seem like it all started when bc generalized stuff about china and just exaggerated the negatives. In reality, there are good and not so good stuff. They are developing at a fast rate so it comes at a cost. But we should not forget they did achieve some unprecedented things in history like lifting humongous amount of folks out of poverty line. But they are still a developing country so comparing to.a developed country isn't going to work. There alot of bad shit from all countries so everyone take a step back and chill.

[curious36]

Yes enjoy ladies from all over the world.
Many ladies are wonderful but alas one bad apple gives everyone a bad name.

[The Fonz]

I appreciate the fantasy of fucking actual university students but I've found it perculiar as to why do they come to an Australian university.

Universities in china isnt even that bad. Their top universities shares similar global ranking to Australia's top universities. Im sure with the number of Chinese universities she couldve found one that suited her. Isn't there a lot of universities in china?

Whats the secret story behind wanting to study in Australian/overseas universities so bad?

PERMANENT RESIDENCY - the Australian university business model of attracting overseas students would instantly collapse if the government ended this rort.

[dufour]

The only sorrowful thing is we still keep harping on about this shit. Who cares what has or hasnt happened as it is all debatable. Fucks like you that continue to try and find the next new problem to create or divide people are the problem. How about just take the day to celebrate being Australian no matter how you got here

I'm not sure what you think is debatable????
We European colonists did invade the country of a people who had been the sole occupiers for 50,000 years - that's a fact - if you don't understand this then I suggest you get educated !!
Does this mean we can't 230 years later try to find a common purpose as a multicultural society ?? No .. of course we should strive for that together.
But we also shouldn't forget history ... a smarter person than me said "you don't know who you are .. until you understand what you are not .."

So BongKong by your logic we should forget and stop "harping on" ....
- Anzac Day
- Jewish genocide by the Nazis
- Pol Pot/ Khmer Rouge killing millions of their own people
- The Boxer Rebellion in China
- The Trail of Tears in Cherokee USA
Etc

I say "forget that shit" at our collective peril if we aspire to be just and accretive members of the human race.

[The Fonz]

I appreciate the fantasy of fucking actual university students but I've found it perculiar as to why do they come to an Australian university.

Universities in china isnt even that bad. Their top universities shares similar global ranking to Australia's top universities. Im sure with the number of Chinese universities she couldve found one that suited her. Isn't there a lot of universities in china?

Whats the secret story behind wanting to study in Australian/overseas universities so bad?

PERMANENT RESIDENCY - the Australian university business model of attracting overseas students would instantly collapse if the government ended this rort.

[The Fonz]

I appreciate the fantasy of fucking actual university students but I've found it perculiar as to why do they come to an Australian university.

Universities in china isnt even that bad. Their top universities shares similar global ranking to Australia's top universities. Im sure with the number of Chinese universities she couldve found one that suited her. Isn't there a lot of universities in china?

Whats the secret story behind wanting to study in Australian/overseas universities so bad?

PERMANENT RESIDENCY - the Australian university business model of attracting overseas students would instantly collapse if the government ended this rort.

[gbh]

double post - delete

[gbh]

I didn't invade anywhere...
I'm not aware of any living 250 year old aboriginals....
Might be time to get on with it perhaps?

[The Fonz]

yes, bad connection - sorry

[BlueX]

PERMANENT RESIDENCY - the Australian university business model of attracting overseas students would instantly collapse if the government ended this rort.
That, and their family is well enough to send them to Aus, but maybe not so well enough to support a comfortable life for them.

Also, their top uni only accept the best of results from their gaokao, and you should know its insanely hard, making Aus's HSC like childs play. Not many could achieve such grades enough to get them in. Aus uni however is all about $$$, you got average result and so so English, you are welcome.

[lockhart]

I'm not sure what you think is debatable????
We European colonists did invade the country of a people who had been the sole occupiers for 50,000 years - that's a fact - if you don't understand this then I suggest you get educated !!
Does this mean we can't 230 years later try to find a common purpose as a multicultural society ?? No .. of course we should strive for that together.
But we also shouldn't forget history ... a smarter person than me said "you don't know who you are .. until you understand what you are not .."

So BongKong by your logic we should forget and stop "harping on" ....
- Anzac Day
- Jewish genocide by the Nazis
- Pol Pot/ Khmer Rouge killing millions of their own people
- The Boxer Rebellion in China
- The Trail of Tears in Cherokee USA
Etc

I say "forget that shit" at our collective peril if we aspire to be just and accretive members of the human race.

Well said, DuFour.

[juicykeyboard]

dude, China is the place to make money now, not Australia.
Australia is good to work as WL/ML as it's legal and good money, for anything else, go to China.
Chinese dudes are filthy rich, especially from big cities in China.

Name one westerner or one western company that has ever succeeded in China?

They are filthy rich because because they are orders of magnitude more corrupt.

[juicykeyboard]

Lots of Aboriginal descendants state Jan 26 is Aborigines national sorrow day. Not really all sunshine and rainbows, so true.

Lol, as if you give a fuck about Aboriginals. You're just using some 'whataboutism' as a way to win an argument. Spare me.

[sukeong]

Name one westerner or one western company that has ever succeeded in China?

They are filthy rich because because they are orders of magnitude more corrupt.

Lol this post is bonkers. plenty of western companies had success in China selling cars or fried chicken like GM, Volkswagen or Yum brands.

There are rich entrepreneurs and business people in China because it's a booming economy and there are actually business savvy people in a country of over a billion people. Maybe stick to the medical topics where you dun speak as much B.S..

[juicykeyboard]

Lol this post is bonkers. plenty of western companies had success in China selling cars or fried chicken like GM, Volkswagen or Yum brands.

Well I mean, if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Is GM succeeding in China or are its joint ventures with Chinese companies succeeding?

Clearly you have no idea how foreign companies access the domestic Chinese market. After the Chinese side of the joint ventures have taken as much IP from GM as they need to operate the business themselves, GM will be barred from the market. These companies are not succeeding in China, they are being tolerated by the CCP temporarily until local competitors can be brought up to speed through forced technology transfers.

Foreigners like you or I, can't even invest into Chinese companies directly (A shares), it's completely closed to foreigners. Yeah you could invest though a dodgy holding company or H shares, but just look what happened to Alibaba shareholders when Alipay was a subsidiary. Jack Ma literally just shifted the ownership of Alipay from Alibaba to his own personal company Ant Financial (supposedly to comply with Chinese law) and the foreign investors (including Yahoo) had no legal recourse.

Maybe you should stop talking b.s. you have no idea what your talking about.

[sukeong]

Well I mean, if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Is GM succeeding in China or are its joint ventures with Chinese companies succeeding?

Clearly you have no idea how foreign companies access the domestic Chinese market. After the Chinese side of the joint ventures have taken as much IP from GM as they need to operate the business themselves, GM will be barred from the market. These companies are not succeeding in China, they are being tolerated by the CCP temporarily until local competitors can be brought up to speed through forced technology transfers.

Foreigners like you or I, can't even invest into Chinese companies directly (A shares), it's completely closed to foreigners. Yeah you could invest though a dodgy holding company or H shares, but just look what happened to Alibaba shareholders when Alipay was a subsidiary. Jack Ma literally just shifted the ownership of Alipay from Alibaba to his own personal company Ant Financial (supposedly to comply with Chinese law) and the foreign investors (including Yahoo) had no legal recourse.

Maybe you should stop talking b.s. you have no idea what your talking about.

Lol please, spare me with the shifting of goal posts and backtracking. You asked if any western company was successful in china and clearly there were. Who cares if they were joint ventures with a local company or not. They still made profits. Of course, if you want to do business in any country you gotta abide by their rules. GM sold more cars in china at one point than in US. Obviously they were happy enough with the deal and were successful in their business there. Not to mention Yum brands started out as a sole venture in china from the US.

And yet Yahoo got a great deal out of a small initial investment whichbIt sold half back for about $7.6 billion in cash and preferred stock in 2012. Considering the company was going downhill and worth less than their Alibaba holdings at the end, they got out of that with a handsome profit. If anything, it was their investment in alibaba that saved them from being bought over earlier before the inevitable happened.

Stick to med stuff and less bs please

[AHLUNGOR]

Great debates !

So many members have various points of views !

Keep them cuming Bros !

[juicykeyboard]

Lol please, spare me with the shifting of goal posts and backtracking. You asked if any western company was successful in china and clearly there were.

Fair enough I see your point of view, profits were made, I should have been more clear with my language. This is just a too simplistic view if you ask me. In any case, it is the joint venture that is succeeding, the local Chinese company is the majority shareholder so you can't legitimately say the foreign company is succeeding at all. Being tolerated, most definitely, but once you factor in the forced transfer of IP (what is the worth of that? billions at the very least) succeeding not so much. But sure, in a simple minded way you can say well they made money so they succeeded I guess.


Obviously they were happy enough with the deal and were successful in their business there.

If I put a gun to your head and ask you to give me your wallet and smile while doing it you will. A passive observer might think that you were very happy with the deal you got. Considering the loss of IP I'd say there are exactly 0 foreign companies happy with the situation in China. But you gotta try at such a large market I guess.


Yum brands started out as a sole venture in china from the US.

Are they a wholly owned foreign enterprise now? No.


And yet Yahoo got a great deal out of a small initial investment which. It sold half back for about $7.6 billion in cash and preferred stock in 2012. Considering the company was going downhill and worth less than their Alibaba holdings at the end, they got out of that with a handsome profit. If anything, it was their investment in alibaba that saved them from being bought over earlier before the inevitable happened.

You seem to be glossing over the point that Jack Ma transferred ownership of Alipay from Alibaba to Ant Financial. He literally stole the company that is worth around $50 billion these days as far as I can tell.

If you were a shareholder in my company, and your share was worth $10 (you bought in at $1), then I decided to place the the profit making operations into a shell company, would you be happy now that you can still sell your share for $2? I mean it's a 100% profit increase. Well done you've succeeded. I'm sure you wouldn't try to sue me (oh wait you can't anyway, I'm in China).


Stick to med stuff and less bs please

Clearly you've got no idea about this stuff (probably not medicine either) so you should spare me and stick to whatever it is you know.

[Assandlegs]

Talk about a topic that's derailed so completely.

[lockhart]

Lol, as if you give a fuck about Aboriginals. You're just using some 'whataboutism' as a way to win an argument. Spare me.

LOL , what a ignorant , Show respect to "Aborigines" is common sense

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[lockhart]

Well I mean, if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Is GM succeeding in China or are its joint ventures with Chinese companies succeeding?

Clearly you have no idea how foreign companies access the domestic Chinese market..............................

Foreigners like you or I, can't even invest into Chinese companies directly (A shares), it's completely closed to foreigners. Yeah you could invest though a dodgy holding company or H shares, but just look what happened to Alibaba shareholders when Alipay was a subsidiary. Jack Ma literally just shifted the ownership of Alipay from Alibaba to his own personal company Ant Financial (supposedly to comply with Chinese law) and the foreign investors (including Yahoo) had no legal recourse.
......

Maybe you should stop talking b.s. you have no idea what your talking about.


Whether investing via JV , Rep office or WFOE structure are still means of investing/doing business with China and make profits , as long as you play by China Government rule books.

Regarding investing in Chinese companies (A Shares Market) , there are always proper way/ channels for the CAPABLE ones to invest in China companies , and make good incomes and profits.

Morgan Stanley A China Share Fund ....

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LOL

[Tumble]

Pardon me . I thought this was a punting forum not the Financial Review .

[hotnite]

Anyone doing anything exciting for Australia Day ?

[sukeong]

Fair enough I see your point of view, profits were made, I should have been more clear with my language. This is just a too simplistic view if you ask me. In any case, it is the joint venture that is succeeding, the local Chinese company is the majority shareholder so you can't legitimately say the foreign company is succeeding at all. Being tolerated, most definitely, but once you factor in the forced transfer of IP (what is the worth of that? billions at the very least) succeeding not so much. But sure, in a simple minded way you can say well they made money so they succeeded I guess.



If I put a gun to your head and ask you to give me your wallet and smile while doing it you will. A passive observer might think that you were very happy with the deal you got. Considering the loss of IP I'd say there are exactly 0 foreign companies happy with the situation in China. But you gotta try at such a large market I guess.



Are they a wholly owned foreign enterprise now? No.



You seem to be glossing over the point that Jack Ma transferred ownership of Alipay from Alibaba to Ant Financial. He literally stole the company that is worth around $50 billion these days as far as I can tell.

If you were a shareholder in my company, and your share was worth $10 (you bought in at $1), then I decided to place the the profit making operations into a shell company, would you be happy now that you can still sell your share for $2? I mean it's a 100% profit increase. Well done you've succeeded. I'm sure you wouldn't try to sue me (oh wait you can't anyway, I'm in China).



Clearly you've got no idea about this stuff (probably not medicine either) so you should spare me and stick to whatever it is you know.

You are bloody nitpicking and moving goal posts now. Those western companies are making profits and are a success In china. To say otherwise just cuz they are joint ventures is really scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to look for reasons other than being completely biased. Even if I exclude them just for the sake of arguments, plenty other successful examples like coca cola, ikea, Apple, McDonald, Adidas, Starbucks etc... If you are just going to ignore that there are opportunities for foreign companies To be successful, also bearing in mind there are no guarantees in any market to be successful, and many western companies have indeed earned huge profits from their investments in china that's fine. I'm not gonna go along with your ignorant anti China spiel.

[sukeong]

Pardon me . I thought this was a punting forum not the Financial Review .

My bad. Should not have derailed the thread. Should have just let it slide. I got caught up in all the bonkerous things being mentioned here about China. Life too short for discussing serious matters in a Sex forum, much less to those already heavily biased against a country. But rest assured I'm done

[BongKong]

My bad. Should not have derailed the thread. Should have just let it slide. I got caught up in all the bonkerous things being mentioned here about China. Life too short for discussing serious matters in a Sex forum, much less to those already heavily biased against a country. But rest assured I'm done

In your defence the conversation you were having was a lot more interesting than fake orgasms and fools falling in "love"

[juicykeyboard]

I'm not gonna go along with your ignorant anti China spiel.

Just such an astounding level of naivety, I really hope your not in charge of anybody else's money you seem to be quite gullible. I feel it my duty to let you know how the world really works. I leave you with two high profile cases of Australians caught up in the corrupt world of Chinese business, enjoy.

Charlotte Chou: http://www.smh.com.au/world/charlotte-chou-six-years-lost-in-chinas-judicial-system-20150101-12gnug.html
Mathew Ng: http://www.smh.com.au/national/matthew-ng-feature-20160706-gpzo3w.html

[lockhart]

Just such an astounding level of naivety, I really hope your not in charge of anybody else's money you seem to be quite gullible. I feel it my duty to let you know how the world really works. I leave you with two high profile cases of Australians caught up in the corrupt world of Chinese business, enjoy.

Charlotte Chou: http://www.smh.com.au/world/charlotte-chou-six-years-lost-in-chinas-judicial-system-20150101-12gnug.html
Mathew Ng: http://www.smh.com.au/national/matthew-ng-feature-20160706-gpzo3w.html

Funny, funny, funny , no mention of FALUNGON links. Navitey!!!!

Emmm... Crown senior staff jailed because ...... level of Navitey.. so true

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