121 Quay Bad Service

[xconcepx]

57433

Hi Everyone,

Not one to usually complain but thought I would share the info to save others from wasting their time.

Bit surprised as its usually a good shop but anyway situation is new girl didn't provide any extras. Was raised with management in which they just said hopefully next time. Seriously why would someone bother with a maybe as lets not kid outselves, thats the reason we go to these shops otherwise we could just go to a normal massage shop for a way better massage. Anyway, stated will post on forum so others know and again, reply was just please don't post and give the new girl a chance to improve. No dicsount, no compensation.... Nothing...... If it was my shop personally I'd give a discounted or FREE massage next time to make up for it. Obviously would still pay for girls extras etc. Thats my thoughts anyway.

[traveller1]

What extra was you asking?
Was it last Monsay?

[Azninvasion85]

Did u pay a higher initial rate?

[Babycat]

Sometimes they put ads to look for staffs without mentioning the extra part but let the girl do trial for few days so they actually don't know about extra. And actually it's their choice to offer or not, like your choice to take offers or not. Sometimes they think you're detective so they refuse to do, etc. it's not so serious but 121 can offer extra by another girl when the first one finishes part one. Sometimes shop does that. Anyway, 121 manager tried to be nice and offered compensation for you already. Take it easy and give her another chance. That's my 2 cents. Cheers.

[goodtime]

Name please, so i can avoid

[traveller1]

This girl had her period on Monday - probably she did not want to waste your money - just a guess.

[birch]

Storm in a teacup. IMHO

Far better to negotiate a better outcome if the mamasam is being apologetic. Shit happens. The shop has a reasonable reputation so it’s fairly clear this isn’t a systemic issue.

Though I feel for the new ML’s who aren’t properly informed what they are getting themselves into.

Compare your experience with the parrallel thread on this forum re 533 bait and switch. You still have your cash in your pocket.

In your case, ranting about your experience and threatening the shop owner won’t get you anywhere. Different story in 533’s case - though it still won’t get you anywhere.

[AHLUNGOR]

Sometimes they put ads to look for staffs without mentioning the extra part but let the girl do trial for few days so they actually don't know about extra. And actually it's their choice to offer or not, like your choice to take offers or not. Sometimes they think you're detective so they refuse to do, etc. it's not so serious but 121 can offer extra by another girl when the first one finishes part one. Sometimes shop does that. Anyway, 121 manager tried to be nice and offered compensation for you already. Take it easy and give her another chance. That's my 2 cents. Cheers.

Agreed, but most experienced shop owner would have definitely briefed the new girl about the happy ending and extra tipping situations.

After all, it’s their business that could be screwed up if miscommunication at the start. I have seen shops listing new MLs as massage only and that should be the proper way to ease the ML into the industry . She could pick and choose who she feels comfortable in offering extras or not. And punters can keep that in mind whether to take the punt or go with a sure thing instead.

Anyway, like Birch said, it’s a storm in a tea cup and the shop had apologised multiple times already.

Then again , we weren’t inside the room, so it’s none of our business really ?? To be fair, may be there was a good enough reason for the girl Not to offer any part 2 ? It’s her right anyway .

Ps. There are lots of customers who like new to industry young ladies and happy to invest time and money, and ok with disappointment too, each to his own ?

[kezza]

From the screenshot, did you just run out of time? Had you tipped the girl already? I bet it was a 30 minute session, you or the girl has left it late into the session, she's realised she has a booking after you and told you your time is up... You're only $35 in for a good 30 min massage, no real harm done. Sounds like you cut the shop off before they could offer anything for your next visit... I use this place a lot they've always been good and usually more than willing to sort things out...

[Cracker38]

I'm not really sure what you are complaining about. You went to a massage shop and paid for a massage and you received a massage. If it was a sub-standard massage, then yes you can complain. The fact you went to a massage shop with the pretence of expecting extra services is on you. Extra services is 100% at the girls discretion. She can choose not to offer you anything for whatever reason and you just have to suck it up.

Why complain to the manager? How would that go exactly? This girl wouldn't provide the illegal sexual act that this
premises is not licensed in any way to provide and you as the shop owner can't acknowledge that you know said illegal services takes place.

Do you expect the owner to force the girl to provide sexual services in an unlicensed shop?

How is this different when we see reviews of say a local Thai massage joint. It looks legit and no one is quite sure whether or not girls provide anything. It becomes a lucky dip and you roll the dice to see what you get. Hence the term TOFTT.

If you wanted a sure thing, then spend ur money in a licensed brothel. Don't whinge about bad service because u received exactly what u paid for.

[Mr Bastard]

If it was her first day, crikey, give the girl a break, the shop apologised and offered a reasonable answer to your complaint, and you still wrote it up.

Petty

[cuteguy]

Firstly, we can't blame the girl since it's her first day on the job. She also can't be blamed for not providing extras in a RNT shop. It's at the discretion of the girl whether she provides extras or not. If FS was requested then it may have been appropriate to visit a FS shop.

The messages (cut and paste here) between the concerned parties appear to have taken place after the session. It begs the question what was relayed to the customer before he chose the new girl. If the shop told him before the session commenced that their new girl certainly did extras only for him to find out later that she didn't then the shop is at fault. If this was not the case, then the customer has only himself to blame for failing to make inquiries with the girl at the beginning of the session if he was after specific extras.

Overall, it is the shop's duty to train their girls rather than sending them out without any training and knowledge. When a newbie starts and is not told about Parts 1 and 2, it's not her fault if the customer has an expectation that he will get extras and later complains that he didn't receive it. To state that it was the girl's first day is simply not taking responsibility for what has happened here. I guess both parties are at fault here.

[woods23]

Mr Jeter would give 10/10 for freshness lol.:anger:

121 It's a great little shop .

[Momoe]

Prob OP felt entitled that he should get what he expects. Besides, you did not even pay for the extras in the first place, the damage is only that measly $ and your 30min

Tbh, you can't blame the girl since she may have just started. If you have specifically asked the manager you wanted extra they might have accommodate you accordingly.

Also MLs also have the right to not give certain extras, or not give any at all. Some of my regulars told me they often refused to those thats downright assholes or if they just don't feel like doing it with them.

[justinfox]

The owner seemed really apologetic ... so Its shows she care about her customers ...also this is a bit of a dick move from the OP.

OP: next time
Shop: ok sorry, Next time
OP: Wont be a Next time


57433

If it was my shop personally I'd give a discounted or FREE massage next time to make up for it.

[wachumba]

Anyway, 121 manager tried to be nice and offered compensation for you already.

What compensation did the manager offer? I can't see any offer. Just said sorry but to me, it sounds like they are saying sorry but actually don't care.

The manager knows exactly why we go to these shops and it isn't for massage so why they hire a girl that doesn't do extras makes no sense. Even worse is that they don't tell customers that the girl doesn't do extras when they know the guys want extras.

[wachumba]

Name please, so i can avoid
Mia. It's on the screenshot.

[traveller1]

What compensation did the manager offer? I can't see any offer. Just said sorry but to me, it sounds like they are saying sorry but actually don't care.

The manager knows exactly why we go to these shops and it isn't for massage so why they hire a girl that doesn't do extras makes no sense. Even worse is that they don't tell customers that the girl doesn't do extras when they know the guys want extras.

Extras are optional, one ML told me she does not provide extra to drunks because
1. they are agressive
2.they don't come within the session and then they ask for money back.

[Babycat]

Actually my bad that I didn't read carefully but entitled that she would offer compensation. But no, manager can't assume exactly that all people come there for extra. They sometimes get reports of offering extra, and now for not giving extra, lol . And in the end, manager can't force their staff to offer extra, tbh.
What compensation did the manager offer? I can't see any offer. Just said sorry but to me, it sounds like they are saying sorry but actually don't care.

The manager knows exactly why we go to these shops and it isn't for massage so why they hire a girl that doesn't do extras makes no sense. Even worse is that they don't tell customers that the girl doesn't do extras when they know the guys want extras.

[traveller1]

Actually my bad that I didn't read carefully but entitled that she would offer compensation. But no, manager can't assume exactly that all people come there for extra. They sometimes get reports of offering extra, and now for not giving extra, lol . And in the end, manager can't force their staff to offer extra, tbh.


But they will fire the ones that are not giving extras to everyone and hire those that do.

[Babycat]

But they will fire the ones that are not giving extras to everyone and hire those that do.

I think so, or thar girl will run away before fired.

[RNT4LIFE]

Look man, it's called punting for a reason. Your dick may had looked nasty, and hence didn't want to give you part 2 or maybe she was just in bad mood.
If it happened to me, just give feedback to shop ( which you did) and move on.
Go to RNT like 227 Broadway which is all inclusive and you know there will be part 2.

[wachumba]

Actually my bad that I didn't read carefully but entitled that she would offer compensation. But no, manager can't assume exactly that all people come there for extra. They sometimes get reports of offering extra, and now for not giving extra, lol . And in the end, manager can't force their staff to offer extra, tbh.

Nobody said the manager should force them to do extras but they shouldn't hire girls that don't. They should inform the girl prior to starting and the girl can leave before starting if she doesn't want to do extras instead of waiting for first customers to get surprised by extras request.

When a shop advertises on and adult forum and other online places for adult bodyrubs, then customers would expect extras are available.

[fun4life]

Nobody said the manager should force them to do extras but they shouldn't hire girls that don't. They should inform the girl prior to starting and the girl can leave before starting if she doesn't want to do extras instead of waiting for first customers to get surprised by extras request.

When a shop advertises on and adult forum and other online places for adult bodyrubs, then customers would expect extras are available.

wachumba you got a point. 121 used to be good. i basically stopped going there anymore. i still remember the time with sherily, renne... the amazing days...

[cuteguy]

In the end, every girl is different. Some provide extras while others just do the basic service. It's up to them!

[Wsbird]

I guess it's the shop's job to make it clear to the customers before the massage started. I'd believe most people go to these shops not just for a basic massage.

[xconcepx]

What compensation did the manager offer? I can't see any offer. Just said sorry but to me, it sounds like they are saying sorry but actually don't care.

The manager knows exactly why we go to these shops and it isn't for massage so why they hire a girl that doesn't do extras makes no sense. Even worse is that they don't tell customers that the girl doesn't do extras when they know the guys want extras.

Wachumba thanks for understanding the point of the post.

Just to clarify as well its not the first time I've been to the shop so they would have a history of previous msgs with previous bookings.

Always clean and showered before coming to these type of massages so that's not an issue.

Anyway point of the post was to share the info so it may be useful to others to save others time.

Person responding to msgs was noy helpful in anyway. Simply just saying sorry and not offering a resolution is not helpful. On top of that to just maybe next time is a bit silly. Its a rub and tug shop and thats well known.

Definitely in agreeance with the boys about Renee. Oh my goodness.... The memories with her.... She was a gem and definitely one of, if not the best massage girls ever. It was always hard choosing between her and Christine.

[RNT4LIFE]

Hey concept, so what kind of resolution are you after? Free session? Get the same girl and give you a free tug?
What does the job needs to do so you don't hold the grudge anymore?

[AHLUNGOR]

I wonder how many NTI punters would be attracted to see Mia - for a challenge or simple curiosity?

She is on the roster today :


Monday

Mia New Girl HK girl, 24, 163cm. With mature beauty and elegant body shape, very smooth skin.

[woods23]

It's she pretty MR Xcon? ;)

[traveller1]

Hey concept, so what kind of resolution are you after? Free session? Get the same girl and give you a free tug?
What does the job needs to do so you don't hold the grudge anymore?

Checking the OP's previous reviews, he had not posted any positive reviews on anyone.

[AHLUNGOR]

It's she pretty MR Xcon? ;)


Haha Woosie, so, if she is pretty, you would try even if you may or may not get a HE ??

How’s “ mature beauty “ sound to you ?

[Nejums]

What the actual fuck man. It's a fucking punt. You win some you lose some. Expecting extras cause you have money is a very unhealthy perspective to have in this hobby. I suggest you quit.

[holi_day]

Refused by WL for extra is not the most frustrated one. The most frustrated scenario is that you paid for extra, but gets nothing...:-p.

[traveller1]

What the actual fuck man. It's a fucking punt. You win some you lose some. Expecting extras cause you have money is a very unhealthy perspective to have in this hobby. I suggest you quit.

Agree, it has also happened to me, just ask another girl for Part 2, unless one has less than 5 minutes left in the session.

[cuteguy]

Refused by WL for extra is not the most frustrated one. The most frustrated scenario is that you paid for extra, but gets nothing...:-p.

Paying $50 upfront and the girl promises to take her gear off but instead keeps it on longer than you expected. This definitely wouldn't go down well.:fire:

[kezza]

Paying $50 upfront and the girl promises to take her gear off but instead keeps it on longer than you expected. This definitely wouldn't go down well.:fire: Agreed, but that's not what happened... they ran out of time in a short session..everything else written is fluff ..and irrelevant.. Not bad service, just wrong attitude; shit happens, move on...

[goldmann]

With this kind of complaint its best off you go to FS and dont have this problem

[xconcepx]

Hey concept, so what kind of resolution are you after? Free session? Get the same girl and give you a free tug?
What does the job needs to do so you don't hold the grudge anymore?

Why would i bother holding a grudge. Plenty of other shops i regularly frequent that i dont have to take a gamble on. Info was just shared to show that they obviously don't care about retaining customers. Not after a freebie but maybe just accept the error and offer a discount to come back so they can rectify the situation with another girl perhaps. Obviously extras payable etc or even any interest in retaining my business as opposed to just better luck next time!

[xconcepx]

Hey concept, so what kind of resolution are you after? Free session? Get the same girl and give you a free tug?
What does the job needs to do so you don't hold the grudge anymore?




With this kind of complaint its best off you go to FS and dont have this problem

Plenty of shops who value a clients business. No need to go to a full service shop unless im just after that alone, as in the sex.

[xconcepx]

What the actual fuck man. It's a fucking punt. You win some you lose some. Expecting extras cause you have money is a very unhealthy perspective to have in this hobby. I suggest you quit.

Wasn't expecting extras because i have money. We're talking $50 for part 2 extras so not like im loaded. But when you go to an adult massage shop which is known for extras and is advertising a new girl so actively its expected to be fun, so to speak.

[xconcepx]

Hey concept, so what kind of resolution are you after? Free session? Get the same girl and give you a free tug?
What does the job needs to do so you don't hold the grudge anymore?


Look man, it's called punting for a reason. Your dick may had looked nasty, and hence didn't want to give you part 2 or maybe she was just in bad mood.
If it happened to me, just give feedback to shop ( which you did) and move on.
Go to RNT like 227 Broadway which is all inclusive and you know there will be part 2.

Feedback was given to the shop. They don't even give a shit which was the point of the post!

Agreed on 227. Haven't had a dud punt there yet.

[xconcepx]

It's she pretty MR Xcon? ;)

Cute personality and above about a 7 in looks.

[Nejums]

Wasn't expecting extras because i have money. We're talking $50 for part 2 extras so not like im loaded. But when you go to an adult massage shop which is known for extras and is advertising a new girl so actively its expected to be fun, so to speak.
This does not mean it's guaranteed. Sure the place might be known for extras, but it is still operating that aspect illegally and completely at the girls' discretion. Lots of variables could explain why you didn't get extras, but to think it is within your right just because you visited the shop is an absolutely appalling attitude to carry with you.

If you're not willing to risk "dud punts" like this, I suggest you just stick to the tried and tested.

[wachumba]

This does not mean it's guaranteed. Sure the place might be known for extras, but it is still operating that aspect illegally and completely at the girls' discretion. Lots of variables could explain why you didn't get extras, but to think it is within your right just because you visited the shop is an absolutely appalling attitude to carry with you.

If you're not willing to risk "dud punts" like this, I suggest you just stick to the tried and tested.

The shop manager already said that the girl didn't know about HJ or nude because it was her first day so it is poor management for not informing the girl before she started.

The shop advertises on erotic massage forums and in other adult bodyrubs sections. One would expect at least a HJ available. If they only advertise in legitimate places, one could say that its a punt and no extras should be expected.

[Nejums]

The shop manager already said that the girl didn't know about HJ or nude because it was her first day so it is poor management for not informing the girl before she started.

The shop advertises on erotic massage forums and in other adult bodyrubs sections. One would expect at least a HJ available. If they only advertise in legitimate places, one could say that its a punt and no extras should be expected.
Perhaps she didn't want to provide it to OP. I don't know. I'm just saying it's not OK to feel entitled to extras simply because that was your intentions for going to these kinds of shops.

[AHLUNGOR]

Perhaps she didn't want to provide it to OP. I don't know. I'm just saying it's not OK to feel entitled to extras simply because that was your intentions for going to these kinds of shops.

There is always two sides of the story, I suppose if the shop’s initial reply to the OP’s text was more diplomatic and more customer service oriented, we won’t be having all these debates. Pretty sure a simple discount of say $20 for the OP’s next visit would have closed the case. I’m sure all those more seasoned mamasans such as Alice, Nicole, Bella, Summer etc. would have handled this a little bit better.

Having said that, I think big W had a point there in the post before that in a RnT environment, a nude HJ is sort of expected, girl NTI or first day at shop is not an excuse, unless the shop clearly stated in roster about massage only ! Which they are quite entitled to do, disclosure is the key. On the other hand , as I said in my earlier reply, we don’t know what actually happened inside the room, there may be a good enough reason for the girl Not to offer a part 2. But that’s something we probably won’t find out.

What I would be interested to know is , if any other punters have managed to get a part 2 from the same girl ?

Again , storm in a tea cup?

[kezza]

Has anybody actually read the screengrab?
"Doesn't Mia do extras?"
"Yes"
"Weird.She just said no time today.Maybe next time"
"Oh no... sorry about that... maybe next time"
"There won't be a next time, not wasting my time with your shop anymore"
"Will be putting that review on forum as well"
...There's nothing wrong with the girl, the expectations of the girl, or the way the girl is trained by the shop..at most a case of bad time management. The way the initial statement read, almost like "ah well, maybe next time" and the response to that "sorry about that, maybe next time..." storm in a teacup and a thread about nothing for $35..which paid for a $35 massage..nothing cheated nor stolen by the shop.. Nuances of written English to a shop of native Chinese speakers, a dummy spit and a thread that runs and runs.. Sheesh!

[kevin007]

Has anybody actually read the screengrab?
"Doesn't Mia do extras?"
"Yes"
"Weird.She just said no time today.Maybe next time"
"Oh no... sorry about that... maybe next time"
"There won't be a next time, not wasting my time with your shop anymore"
"Will be putting that review on forum as well"
...There's nothing wrong with the girl, the expectations of the girl, or the way the girl is trained by the shop..at most a case of bad time management. The way the initial statement read, almost like "ah well, maybe next time" and the response to that "sorry about that, maybe next time..." storm in a teacup and a thread about nothing for $35..which paid for a $35 massage..nothing cheated nor stolen by the shop.. Nuances of written English to a shop of native Chinese speakers, a dummy spit and a thread that runs and runs.. Sheesh!

Always had good service!!!
Surprised!! Think it’s just communication problem!!

[xconcepx]

Owner has returned from being away (which i was unaware of) and reached out to resolve the issue.

Offered a peace offering but i politely declined as i wasnt after an freebies and its just great to see them retain their high levels of customer satisfaction that i had become accustomed to.