What happened to me? Love or not... PART 2 Update

[HamishAM]

Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if everyone remembers my old story about chasing after a ML to become my GF. Here is the old thread.
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?71671-What-happened-to-me-Love-or-not

All I can say after 8-9 months together was fuck I should have listened to everyone in that thread. Holy shit this past few months have been hell. Let me fill you up with some of the backstory and my stupid actions and red flags I ignored.

Part 1: What happened.

- Met ML girl
- Told me she didn't have a BF but she did
- He was abusing her and I helped her
- Helped her find a place to live and started our 'relationship'

Following on after Part 1 - I managed to help her escape from her boyfriend. We kept seeing each other and formed a 'relationship' (I say relationship like this because she says she does not believe in labels like BF/GF - this was another red flag). Every day I would pick her up and take her home, get her dinner and bring her lunch to her work because she wouldn't eat properly. We also traveled a fair bit together around Australia and Internationally (I'll get to this one soon). Everything was looking good for 6-7 months - we decided to live together so I started looking for apartments and helping her with her visa paperwork etc. We decided to go to a trip to NZ once we moved into our apartment and that's where it went all downhill. I can accept that she sells sex as a service and that she does outcalls etc. But there was one guy who she claimed was a customer...but he wasn't - she would stay over his house once a week and always meet him (Wow red flag). He was someone she met before myself and was also seeing him as a boyfriend. She played us both for 8 months and saw us both simultaneously. We both were having natural sex with her etc. In NZ, halfway through our trip he finds out that she is with me (she told him she was travelling alone and she told him that I was a customer after she was found out). He decided to fly all the way to NZ to take her from me - and he was successful. She likes guys who do dramatic actions like that in a movie and i wasn't able to stop her from seeing him. So from there our relationship was pretty much over - she moved all her things out but she wanted to stay friends with me and still have sex - but that's not what i wanted. In between all this there were many arguments with me, her and him. Eventually she had to choose and I was willing to let her come back to me once more with a fresh start (I believe in second chances but I guess i was too naive) - and she chose me. We were living happily and fine again when she moved in. But, one night she decides to see him and suddenly doesn't come home. The next day she is at my agent asking to pay the break fee on our lease and move all her things. She didn't say one word to me or look at my face - she took her things and left concluding our story together. She went from making love with me and talking happily cooking meals together to dead cold silence and systematically moving out from me. I can say I believe I was a good man to her - never hurt her, gave her freedom and took care of her. Maybe I was too kind, maybe I didn't control her enough? I'll never know but she didn't tell me why she left.

There are a lot more details to this story but this is the gist of it towards the end (all this happened within 2-3 weeks!). Now I can see all the red flags, the lying, the constant cheating with her past boyfriends etc. She was a good and caring person but she is very unstable with her behaviors and I don't believe she knows what commitment or loyalty means anymore.

I feel a little broken in terms of trust now and I really wanted to know why she suddenly decided to leave me so fast without explaining or talking but i'll never get that chance. What do you guys think? Any recommendations on how to get past all this? Thank you for reading!

If you have any questions about her feel free to leave a message or PM me for finer details.

[Dude]

I guess now you have taken a lesson :) just need to move on and probably take it as point of reference if similar things or flags happen in the future

[xboyx]

Hey man, feel sorry for you after reading this.

Feeling is in our human nature and it's not easy to act against your feeling even though all other guys have already told you so. We all have been on that same boat. Don't feel sorry for yourself dude, it's a lesson learned in life, it's just part of the process. And think about all the natural sex and all the fun and fucking you've had so far, it's a memory to keep. The rest of it (the arguments, all the fighting and bad feeling, questions) will become a laugh in 1-2 years time. You and your mates can hang out one day in a few years and you will be fucking laughing at it "remember the girl I fell for, fuck I was crazily in love with her hahaha".

Yea it hurts but it will go away. To be honest though, I've never been in that situation because I've never tried to ask any WLs/MLs girls out, despite I like them as much as you do.

Just go for another massage/sex and it helps big time. Hanging out with some dude friends and you'll feel better.

And by the way, you have been kind enough to her. Presume that you didn't fight with the guy to win her, you let him take her in NZ, that's a high act comparing to the scum guy who was even crazier than you that he flew to NZ and took her from you. Is she that worth to fight for? Absolutely not, I'd never fight for a girl like that. That guy thinks that he wins, but no, you're the winner here because you got out of the shit and will move on with your life, while he's getting into the shithole again. He's stupid.

PS: btw are you Hamish from the Hamish and Andy radio station?

[jennyppp200]

My gosh, that’s so sad someone like that exists
Xboyx is right, you’re the real winner here for getting out of a relationship like that
Just keep yourself busy and force yourself to go out and do as much as possible
Hang out with friends go gym set goals for yourself to keep your mind off it

[HamishAM]

Hey man, feel sorry for you after reading this.

Feeling is in our human nature and it's not easy to act against your feeling even though all other guys have already told you so. We all have been on that same boat. Don't feel sorry for yourself dude, it's a lesson learned in life, it's just part of the process. And think about all the natural sex and all the fun and fucking you've had so far, it's a memory to keep. The rest of it (the arguments, all the fighting and bad feeling, questions) will become a laugh in 1-2 years time. You and your mates can hang out one day in a few years and you will be fucking laughing at it "remember the girl I fell for, fuck I was crazily in love with her hahaha".

Yea it hurts but it will go away. To be honest though, I've never been in that situation because I've never tried to ask any WLs/MLs girls out, despite I like them as much as you do.

Just go for another massage/sex and it helps big time. Hanging out with some dude friends and you'll feel better.

And by the way, you have been kind enough to her. Presume that you didn't fight with the guy to win her, you let him take her in NZ, that's a high act comparing to the scum guy who was even crazier than you that he flew to NZ and took her from you. Is she that worth to fight for? Absolutely not, I'd never fight for a girl like that. That guy thinks that he wins, but no, you're the winner here because you got out of the shit and will move on with your life, while he's getting into the shithole again. He's stupid.

PS: btw are you Hamish from the Hamish and Andy radio station?

Hey thanks for this. It really hits my heart and makes me feel a lot better. I definately can see myself be happier in the future - just right now it sucks and that's normal because of the feels and loneliness. I will for sure visit some other shops! Yeah I didn't fight too hard to keep her but i did fight for her to stay with me on our trip, i did talk to her and tell her I would finish everything together if she went to see him while in NZ but she said wait wait wait etc. Just to keep me in her life. Thinking back that should of been the last time I should of saw her.

Haha i love how you think i'm the winner and I agree! No more headaches, no more worrying about lying/cheating now he can stress about her and wait for the next guy to pop up cause with her there always is. Time to find myself a honest woman!

I wish i was Hamish from Hamish and Andy - dear god would that make this juicier.

[xboyx]

Hey thanks for this. It really hits my heart and makes me feel a lot better. I definately can see myself be happier in the future - just right now it sucks and that's normal because of the feels and loneliness. I will for sure visit some other shops! Yeah I didn't fight too hard to keep her but i did fight for her to stay with me on our trip, i did talk to her and tell her I would finish everything together if she went to see him while in NZ but she said wait wait wait etc. Just to keep me in her life. Thinking back that should of been the last time I should of saw her.

Haha i love how you think i'm the winner and I agree! No more headaches, no more worrying about lying/cheating now he can stress about her and wait for the next guy to pop up cause with her there always is. Time to find myself a honest woman!

I wish i was Hamish from Hamish and Andy - dear god would that make this juicier.

hahah man, the Hamish and Andy is just my joke to light up your mood.

seriously, only young crazy hot headed guys would fight for a girl like that dickhead. Hold your pride and honor, it's not worth it, if she likes that type of guys, she can goes with him, let him have her, it's not that you're weak and lost her, you have your pride and you won't beg for it.

Go see other girls. for me, I use brute force to get over a girl, frequent visits to see other girls lol

[xboyx]

My gosh, that’s so sad someone like that exists
Xboyx is right, you’re the real winner here for getting out of a relationship like that
Just keep yourself busy and force yourself to go out and do as much as possible
Hang out with friends go gym set goals for yourself to keep your mind off it

Jenny at PPP 200? LOL, really you?

[HamishAM]

hahah man, the Hamish and Andy is just my joke to light up your mood.

seriously, only young crazy hot headed guys would fight for a girl like that dickhead. Hold your pride and honor, it's not worth it, if she likes that type of guys, she can goes with him, let him have her, it's not that you're weak and lost her, you have your pride and you won't beg for it.

Go see other girls. for me, I use brute force to get over a girl, frequent visits to see other girls lol

Thank you! Yeah I think i was very mature about everything but the two of them acted very immaturely - blocking all contact, not talking to solve financials and lease agreements etc. I still have my pride and honor - one chance that was it. Just now my confidence took a hit but this week I will see many girls to forget the sadness.

[des888]

It’s going to hurt the next 6-12 months but it will only make you stronger. You took a chance and nobody can criticise you for that, love works in mysterious ways as they say. Don’t deter that all WL are like that, can just as well happen to a girl you met at work or university.

[chemistry84]

I've always said never take anything more than 'sex' with WLs.

[CantCme]

Cant make a ho a housewife

[HamishAM]

Cant make a ho a housewife

Haha. So true. She was so housewifey though! Cooked, cleaner did all the domestic things. Just she can't stay with one guy :/

[quackm2002]

You can hardly say you weren’t warned. I just hope it is lesson learnt.

What are you going to do if she comes back again?

[HamishAM]

You can hardly say you weren’t warned. I just hope it is lesson learnt.

What are you going to do if she comes back again?

Yeah I know I was warned. If she wants to come back I will say no. I need to move on and with her there will be no future no matter how much I love her. She will definitely regret leaving me I feel (abit egotistical) but she chose him twice and left me twice. That's my limit. She will never love me

[illidanstormrage]

You need to read the Rational Male. This is definitely life saving material. Even just hearing stories from some guys failed relationships and marriage is an eye opener to the reality of female nature.

This doesn't excuse poor behaviour from females far from it but lets you understand and properly navigate your way through life without getting completely burned in your dealings with the opposite sex.

Most of the links below are just from his blog Best of Year One posts that I believe you should read but if any of that resonates with you.

I'd recommend buying the first book if you find the blog posts helpful and see what you think of Rational Male volume 1 but ultimately the books are just blog posts compiled so you can make your way through all of the best of posts.

https://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

SUGAR BABIES - https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/11/sugar-babies/

THE BITTER TASTE OF THE RED PILL - https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/

KILL THE BETA - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/21/kill-the-beta-2/

THE MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

JUST GET IT - https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/

HYPERGAMY DOESN’T CARE - https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/16/hypergamy-doesnt-care/

APPRECIATION - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/

THERE IS NO ONE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/30/there-is-no-one/

THE CARDINAL RULE OF RELATIONSHIPS - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/the-cardinal-rule-of-relationships/

THE DESIRE DYNAMIC - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/

THE 5 STAGES OF UNPLUGGING - https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/

[HamishAM]

You need to read the Rational Male. This is definitely life saving material. Even just hearing stories from some guys failed relationships and marriage is an eye opener to the reality of female nature.

This doesn't excuse poor behaviour from females far from it but lets you understand and properly navigate your way through life without getting completely burned in your dealings with the opposite sex.

Most of the links below are just from his blog Best of Year One posts that I believe you should read but if any of that resonates with you.

I'd recommend buying the first book if you find the blog posts helpful and see what you think of Rational Male volume 1 but ultimately the books are just blog posts compiled so you can make your way through all of the best of posts.

https://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

SUGAR BABIES - https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/11/sugar-babies/

THE BITTER TASTE OF THE RED PILL - https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/

KILL THE BETA - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/21/kill-the-beta-2/

THE MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

JUST GET IT - https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/

HYPERGAMY DOESN’T CARE - https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/16/hypergamy-doesnt-care/

APPRECIATION - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/

THERE IS NO ONE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/30/there-is-no-one/

THE CARDINAL RULE OF RELATIONSHIPS - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/the-cardinal-rule-of-relationships/

THE DESIRE DYNAMIC - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/

THE 5 STAGES OF UNPLUGGING - https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/

Cheers for this - I will read through them all. Appreciated!

[quackm2002]

Hamish, you just make sure you hold the line and don’t weaken if she comes back.

[HamishAM]

Hamish, you just make sure you hold the line and don’t weaken if she comes back.

Yeah..if this does happen it will be another challenge but I need to move on and tell myself I am happier without her. I need to be stronger.


Don’t get sucked in to that shit dude, it’s the path to becoming an incel.

Ahh yeah I read a bit but i guess it can help some people - not really my type of change management i want though. I didn't do anything wrong in our relationship - it was her. I dont need to change myself for someone as low as her. Thanks for the heads up.

[illidanstormrage]

Incel has nothing to do with it.. but as you will. Red pill applies to much more than just relationships..

Some lessons you have to learn the hard way. You didn't do anything wrong.. except be the typical inexperienced guy who put too must trust in girls which I and many guys have done also.. rite of passage for sure.

As a wise man once said Trust.. but VERIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Ok from a red pill lens I will break down what happened. She was only using you for financial gain.

Girls are great actresses and many will use guys for a multitude of different things.

Actions speak louder than words so the fact that she chose not to stay with you is a great thing on your part because most likely scenario looks like after she had her marriage visa or whatever and was in a good position.

She would proceed to divorce rape you, if you are lucky, she only chooses to leave instead because she isn't completely ruthless and got what she came for (residency).

Everyone thinks they are special and that these things can't happen to them. Girls divorce rape guys all the time and many Asian girls will milk Australian citizens for residency.

So count your blessings and learn from this experience. Don't rationalize away red flags in future. Enforce your boundaries and liars will be discarded.

I know emotions can be strong you probably still feel like you like or love her a lot but... she doesn't feel the same way. So that's where the story ends.

You might feel bad now but imagine in a few years when EVERYTHING 'suddenly' falls apart after you've invested A LOT more into the relationship and she's been coming along for the easy ride.

[HamishAM]

Incel has nothing to do with it.. but as you will. Red pill applies to much more than just relationships..

Some lessons you have to learn the hard way. You didn't do anything wrong.. except be the typical inexperienced guy who put too must trust in girls which I and many guys have done also.. rite of passage for sure.

As a wise man once said Trust.. but VERIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Ok from a red pill lens I will break down what happened. She was only using you for financial gain.

Girls are great actresses and many will use guys for a multitude of different things.

Actions speak louder than words so the fact that she chose not to stay with you is a great thing on your part because most likely scenario looks like after she had her marriage visa or whatever and was in a good position.

She would proceed to divorce rape you, if you are lucky, she only chooses to leave instead because she isn't completely ruthless and got what she came for (residency).

Everyone thinks they are special and that these things can't happen to them. Girls divorce rape guys all the time and many Asian girls will milk Australian citizens for residency.

So count your blessings and learn from this experience. Don't rationalize away red flags in future. Enforce your boundaries and liars will be discarded.

I know emotions can be strong you probably still feel like you like or love her a lot but... she doesn't feel the same way. So that's where the story ends.

You might feel bad now but imagine in a few years when EVERYTHING 'suddenly' falls apart after you've invested A LOT more into the relationship and she's been coming along for the easy ride.

You are completely right. I know for a fact she was using me financially - Rent, food, eating out and also helping her with her student visa payments and paperwork and partnership visa. She was 100% using me. I knew this but in a relationship its okay to help the other out - but now I look back and think I was very naive. I was obviously blinded by love and completely stupid ignoring blatant red flags. I was scared she would leave me if i pushed her. She would say she didnt like controlling or abusive guys but then she would actually like it. One thing was another. I will definitely be a lot stronger in future relationships and listen to my gut more then overthinking and over trusting. She didn't say she loved me once even though I said it to her. I knew she didn't. I knew the relationship was not going anywhere - I was just stuck.

[rooter]

Its all good bro.
You had a good time for 8 months: fucking, eating, drinking, sucking, kissing, licking ... beautiful ...
And now it's all over.
Relax.
She can go and see other people and you can go and see other people.
You've still got your health, your money, and your sanity ... you may not see this right now but you are the King of the World ... Enjoy!
In 2 years time you will be in a totally different space and mindset, and she will be a girl you fondly remember

[HamishAM]

Its all good bro.
You had a good time for 8 months: fucking, eating, drinking, sucking, kissing, licking ... beautiful ...
And now it's all over.
Relax.
She can go and see other people and you can go and see other people.
You've still got your health, your money, and your sanity ... you may not see this right now but you are the King of the World ... Enjoy!
In 2 years time you will be in a totally different space and mindset, and she will be a girl you fondly remember

Thank you. Yeah this makes a lot of sense. We had fun times, singing, massaging each other, sex, talking about future together etc. I was very serious but she wasn't. This was my mistake. Overall it was a good experience and a learning experience in regards to trust, lying, cheating and so on for me..

[jediknight4ever]

I can probably relate as I've been in a shorter but much more turbulent relationship with an engaged woman (which I wasn't aware of until near the end). She was quite unstable too, but love is blind and all the red flags that you never realised before goes out the window so to speak. It was a mills&bons romance, she was pregnant with my baby but she didn't want it so she had an abortion. Me being anti-abortion didn't take it very well. Fair to say I was in shock and has depression & anxiety attacks, it got even worse when I found out the truth of her fiancée in France.

I had a dream about the birth of my son in the hospital maybe in an alternate reality of the Marvel Universe.

It's been 10 months since I last saw her and besides going to brothels I haven't being wanting to get intimate with anyone in my real life until recently where I met a girl who looks like a model but is a country girl at heart. Still getting to know her.

Life has its ups and downs but it does get better. Like Ronan Keating sings "Life is a rollercoaster just gotta ride it!". You should think of yourself lucky that you've dodged a bullet in such an unstable and crazy person.

If you're interested in my original article just copy and paste
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?68615-First-time-dating-a-single-mum

All the best!

[Momoe]

Hmmm, just wanted to ask, if per chance, this ML is a Japanese?

[HamishAM]

Hmmm, just wanted to ask, if per chance, this ML is a Japanese?

Yep. She is. If you want you can PM me your questions if they are more private related.

[CunningLinguist]

Hamish I feel sorry for you, you sound like a nice guy, best not to fall for a ML/WL next time...

[Highnoon]

Hamish, store the nice scenes in your memory, delete the bullshit and look in a new direction. Not so easy. And keep the distance like already suggested ...

[HamishAM]

I can probably relate as I've been in a shorter but much more turbulent relationship with an engaged woman (which I wasn't aware of until near the end). She was quite unstable too, but love is blind and all the red flags that you never realised before goes out the window so to speak. It was a mills&bons romance, she was pregnant with my baby but she didn't want it so she had an abortion. Me being anti-abortion didn't take it very well. Fair to say I was in shock and has depression & anxiety attacks, it got even worse when I found out the truth of her fiancée in France.

I had a dream about the birth of my son in the hospital maybe in an alternate reality of the Marvel Universe.

It's been 10 months since I last saw her and besides going to brothels I haven't being wanting to get intimate with anyone in my real life until recently where I met a girl who looks like a model but is a country girl at heart. Still getting to know her.

Life has its ups and downs but it does get better. Like Ronan Keating sings "Life is a rollercoaster just gotta ride it!". You should think of yourself lucky that you've dodged a bullet in such an unstable and crazy person.

If you're interested in my original article just copy and paste
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?68615-First-time-dating-a-single-mum

All the best!

Thank you. I read some of your story and it is very full on. I hope everything is okay with your life now. Lets look forward together.


Hamish I feel sorry for you, you sound like a nice guy, best not to fall for a ML/WL next time...

Thank you. Yeah I'm not sure where the future will lead me but I think dating industry girls is very tough even with thick skin.



Hamish, store the nice scenes in your memory, delete the bullshit and look in a new direction. Not so easy. And keep the distance like already suggested ...

Yeah there were many good memories which I enjoyed and won't forget. There was a lot more shit and lies which overcome the good. I'm already keeping my distance - I can't help her anymore, I deleted a lot of our stuff and contact numbers/information. Her current boyfriend force blocked me on everything on her phones so its very difficult for her to contact me. But i've decided I don't want to speak to her again.

[woods23]

I be waiting for part 3 update in few months time ...u are too weak . Good luck Any way !

[BigDipper]

Yeah..if this does happen it will be another challenge but I need to move on and tell myself I am happier without her. I need to be stronger.



Ahh yeah I read a bit but i guess it can help some people - not really my type of change management i want though. I didn't do anything wrong in our relationship - it was her. I dont need to change myself for someone as low as her. Thanks for the heads up.

Buddy, your story is a strong reinforcement for us all. Easy to fall for these ML/WLs.
Thankyou for sharing.

[junisme]

That is what she need while she was working, she is already becoming unable to commit to anything and anyone, otherwise she would have get hurt or maybe she was once a person like you but after what she been through with someone like you to chase her and have a relationship, and the other person might treat her shit, she become this to protect herself.

Anyway, enough with my nonsense, you live well brother. there is always someone out there.

[HamishAM]

Buddy, your story is a strong reinforcement for us all. Easy to fall for these ML/WLs.
Thankyou for sharing.

No problem. That's why I want to share my story. Also everyone's comments helps me move on and understand.


That is what she need while she was working, she is already becoming unable to commit to anything and anyone, otherwise she would have get hurt or maybe she was once a person like you but after what she been through with someone like you to chase her and have a relationship, and the other person might treat her shit, she become this to protect herself.

Anyway, enough with my nonsense, you live well brother. there is always someone out there.

This does make alot of sense. With me she was happy, but she even said to me too much happiness to scary and she doesn't deserve it because of what she did to us (lie, cheat, use). She may have been innocent before but she has worked in this industry for 10 years. It has changed her.

[HamishAM]

Buddy, your story is a strong reinforcement for us all. Easy to fall for these ML/WLs.
Thankyou for sharing.


That is what she need while she was working, she is already becoming unable to commit to anything and anyone, otherwise she would have get hurt or maybe she was once a person like you but after what she been through with someone like you to chase her and have a relationship, and the other person might treat her shit, she become this to protect herself.

Anyway, enough with my nonsense, you live well brother. there is always someone out there.


And I've decided to control my feelings but avoid relationship with customers as it's just a pain game. Nothing serious. Too much pain, lie and hopelessness.

All she said are just excuses to leave you but still make you have feelings for her and think she left you because she thinks for your benefit. No, she didn't feel guilty of it. Just excuse.

I see. Just excuses. She always wanted to stay friends and kept saying you help me etc. Of course she was using me and using pretty words to cover up everything.

[OmniMime]

Ultimately, you were "trained" or "groomed". But, the good thing was that you've managed to escape it. Sure it hurts, just as PTSD gave me the shits from my last viet ex and the ex-fiance before her did, but time does male it somewhat better. I ended up fucking other girls regardless. Only problem was that it isn't easy to open up for real. It isn't easy to trust again. It isn't easy to remember your true face. You'd naturally be suspicious of the next girl you would start seeing. More than the girl you see you get suspicious of, you only end up being suspicious of yourself. Rememeber that to heart and mind, then you would remember to look from the bigger picture of everything between and around yourself and the girl you next see.

.... this is just simply one little tiny point of view, basically. Not one to take seriously at all.

[Sydreader2017]

Ultimately, you were "trained" or "groomed". But, the good thing was that you've managed to escape it. Sure it hurts, just as PTSD gave me the shits from my last viet ex and the ex-fiance before her did, but time does male it somewhat better. I ended up fucking other girls regardless. Only problem was that it isn't easy to open up for real. It isn't easy to trust again. It isn't easy to remember your true face. You'd naturally be suspicious of the next girl you would start seeing. More than the girl you see you get suspicious of, you only end up being suspicious of yourself. Rememeber that to heart and mind, then you would remember to look from the bigger picture of everything between and around yourself and the girl you next see.

.... this is just simply one little tiny point of view, basically. Not one to take seriously at all.

Bro,your ex is a ML too? Sounds like you do go through a lot of pain as well

[OmniMime]

Bro,your ex is a ML too? Sounds like you do go through a lot of pain as wellNo, the reference was in regards to the potential similarity of suffering incurred.

Sorry, putting my words in layman's terms would make it even more confusing as to what I would be talking about.

But, yes, I refer to suffering.

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[HamishAM]

Ultimately, you were "trained" or "groomed". But, the good thing was that you've managed to escape it. Sure it hurts, just as PTSD gave me the shits from my last viet ex and the ex-fiance before her did, but time does male it somewhat better. I ended up fucking other girls regardless. Only problem was that it isn't easy to open up for real. It isn't easy to trust again. It isn't easy to remember your true face. You'd naturally be suspicious of the next girl you would start seeing. More than the girl you see you get suspicious of, you only end up being suspicious of yourself. Rememeber that to heart and mind, then you would remember to look from the bigger picture of everything between and around yourself and the girl you next see.

.... this is just simply one little tiny point of view, basically. Not one to take seriously at all.

Yeah I agree with your points. I do think I was groomed in a sense. I'm happy it's over now and even when I took her back I was thinking of breaking it off because I knew I could never trust her and she would never love me. I think I can't bring these negative feelings to my next relationship but it's very difficult now with the damage that's been done.

[Nejums]

This is a great lesson but it's also a blessing because you got out of it. Do not keep contact. Consider her dead and don't do it again.

These kind of girls prey on insecure guys. I mean, good that you got some benefits, but it's not really worth getting burned over.

[hyperultra]

...
Everything was looking good for 6-7 months - we decided to live together so I started ... helping her with her visa paperwork etc..

As soon as you get to this quote, its clear this was always about her getting a visa.
In this scenario its impossible to know who else is involved in this womans life:
boyfriend, husband, kids (in Australia or overseas) all could be involved on her side
Thats the only red flag you need to mention to stop reading right there...

You have to realise that ML probably see 6-7 guys a day. There will be a few guys in her life already if she is attractive - she can pick and choose, including which guys she hangs on to that she can get help from

An attractive lady will always have a few guys in her life she is NOT attracted to, but she strings along because those guys bend over backwards to make her happy. They dont pick up the obvious clues that the woman is NOT interested in him

The advice here is right, move on and forget her. You have wasted enough time and money already

[hyperultra]

She was using me financially - Rent, food, eating out and also helping her with her student visa payments and paperwork and partnership visa. She was 100% using me

Now I look back and think I was very naive.

Now you have reflected on it, you now can see exactly what happened

[HamishAM]

As soon as you get to this quote, its clear this was always about her getting a visa.
In this scenario its impossible to know who else is involved in this womans life:
boyfriend, husband, kids (in Australia or overseas) all could be involved on her side
Thats the only red flag you need to mention to stop reading right there...

You have to realise that ML probably see 6-7 guys a day. There will be a few guys in her life already if she is attractive - she can pick and choose, including which guys she hangs on to that she can get help from

An attractive lady will always have a few guys in her life she is NOT attracted to, but she strings along because those guys bend over backwards to make her happy. They dont pick up the obvious clues that the woman is NOT interested in him

The advice here is right, move on and forget her. You have wasted enough time and money already

Yeah - this is great insight. She is a popular ML and very attractive. I'm sure she has many others on the side too and back home also. Cheers for the advice


Now you have reflected on it, you now can see exactly what happened

Yeah i'm clear now - still feeling the loneliness and heartache but that will be temporary.

[hyperultra]

Not often in life someone will spell out the signs for you. I have some sisters, this was their advice to me...

SIGNS WOMAN IS NOT INTERESTED AND SHE SEE YOU AS A CLINGER
1)You ask to meet up with her and you get hesitation and never a firm time
Trust me if you are an A class young male Hollywood actor she will want to see you that night
2)You are paying for all meals and driving her everywhere and getting pretty much nothing in return apart from her company but no affection
3)You are doing something valuable for her that other guys not as desperate as you would never do...
eg doing her assignmemts, paying her rent, doing her house repairs, fixing her Visa application
4)She doesnt return texts in a prompt manner. Her keenness for you is directly proportional to how prompt she is at replying to her texts. Remember women check their phones every 10 minutes
5)She is secretive with her phone and she checks it often including when you are having dinner together. Her actual boyfriend sends her texts which she wants to reply to. Lol
6)She has a lot of expensive jewellery and handbags. You can be sure her family didnt buy these
7)She has special male friends who know a lot more about her than she has shared with you, and these 'friends' love meeting up with her
8)She has male flatmate (s)
9)Important days like your birthday you notice she doesnt make much effort - its all half assed. Sometimes she cant meet up with you on those days
10)A lot of days she is unavailable to see her and she is not working
11)After 6 months you havent met her family if they are in Sydney, and they dont know about you

In summary, a lady interested in you will make time to see you
When she sees you as boyfriend material and not a pushover, text conversations are fair - with her replying promptly and initiating contact

By all means go out with women that arent interested. Occasionally good times can be had if she drops her boyfriend or is just bored. But have a lot of options so if one falls through you have a few other ladies to focus your fun with. Oneitis is the trap you need to avoid

Now you know the laws of the game, be the player and not the played, and dont waste another minute of your life

[Yogurt]

Not often in life someone will spell out the signs for you. I have some sisters, this was their advice to me...

SIGNS WOMAN IS NOT INTERESTED AND SHE SEE YOU AS A CLINGER
1)You ask to meet up with her and you get hesitation and never a firm time
Trust me if you are an A class young male Hollywood actor she will want to see you that night
2)You are paying for all meals and driving her everywhere and getting pretty much nothing in return apart from her company but no affection
3)You are doing something valuable for her that other guys not as desperate as you would never do...
eg doing her assignmemts, paying her rent, doing her house repairs, fixing her Visa application
4)She doesnt return texts in a prompt manner. Her keenness for you is directly proportional to how prompt she is at replying to her texts. Remember women check their phones every 10 minutes
5)She is secretive with her phone and she checks it often including when you are having dinner together. Her actual boyfriend sends her texts which she wants to reply to. Lol
6)She has a lot of expensive jewellery and handbags. You can be sure her family didnt buy these
7)She has special male friends who know a lot more about her than she has shared with you, and these 'friends' love meeting up with her
8)She has male flatmate (s)
9)Important days like your birthday you notice she doesnt make much effort - its all half assed. Sometimes she cant meet up with you on those days
10)A lot of days she is unavailable to see her and she is not working
11)After 6 months you havent met her family if they are in Sydney, and they dont know about you

In summary, a lady interested in you will make time to see you
When she sees you as boyfriend material and not a pushover, text conversations are fair - with her replying promptly and initiating contact

Now you know the laws of the game, be the player and not the played, and dont waste another minute of your life

Best answer ....

[HamishAM]

Not often in life someone will spell out the signs for you. I have some sisters, this was their advice to me...

SIGNS WOMAN IS NOT INTERESTED AND SHE SEE YOU AS A CLINGER
1)You ask to meet up with her and you get hesitation and never a firm time
Trust me if you are an A class young male Hollywood actor she will want to see you that night
2)You are paying for all meals and driving her everywhere and getting pretty much nothing in return apart from her company but no affection
3)You are doing something valuable for her that other guys not as desperate as you would never do...
eg doing her assignmemts, paying her rent, doing her house repairs, fixing her Visa application
4)She doesnt return texts in a prompt manner. Her keenness for you is directly proportional to how prompt she is at replying to her texts. Remember women check their phones every 10 minutes
5)She is secretive with her phone and she checks it often including when you are having dinner together. Her actual boyfriend sends her texts which she wants to reply to. Lol
6)She has a lot of expensive jewellery and handbags. You can be sure her family didnt buy these
7)She has special male friends who know a lot more about her than she has shared with you, and these 'friends' love meeting up with her
8)She has male flatmate (s)
9)Important days like your birthday you notice she doesnt make much effort - its all half assed. Sometimes she cant meet up with you on those days
10)A lot of days she is unavailable to see her and she is not working
11)After 6 months you havent met her family if they are in Sydney, and they dont know about you

In summary, a lady interested in you will make time to see you
When she sees you as boyfriend material and not a pushover, text conversations are fair - with her replying promptly and initiating contact

By all means go out with women that arent interested. Occasionally good times can be had if she drops her boyfriend or is just bored. But have a lot of options so if one falls through you have a few other ladies to focus your fun with. Oneitis is the trap you need to avoid

Now you know the laws of the game, be the player and not the played, and dont waste another minute of your life

Wow - a lot of these points are really spot on. Thank you. She definitely wasn't interested in me in this case

[CunningLinguist]

Not often in life someone will spell out the signs for you. I have some sisters, this was their advice to me...

SIGNS WOMAN IS NOT INTERESTED AND SHE SEE YOU AS A CLINGER
1)You ask to meet up with her and you get hesitation and never a firm time
Trust me if you are an A class young male Hollywood actor she will want to see you that night
2)You are paying for all meals and driving her everywhere and getting pretty much nothing in return apart from her company but no affection
3)You are doing something valuable for her that other guys not as desperate as you would never do...
eg doing her assignmemts, paying her rent, doing her house repairs, fixing her Visa application
4)She doesnt return texts in a prompt manner. Her keenness for you is directly proportional to how prompt she is at replying to her texts. Remember women check their phones every 10 minutes
5)She is secretive with her phone and she checks it often including when you are having dinner together. Her actual boyfriend sends her texts which she wants to reply to. Lol
6)She has a lot of expensive jewellery and handbags. You can be sure her family didnt buy these
7)She has special male friends who know a lot more about her than she has shared with you, and these 'friends' love meeting up with her
8)She has male flatmate (s)
9)Important days like your birthday you notice she doesnt make much effort - its all half assed. Sometimes she cant meet up with you on those days
10)A lot of days she is unavailable to see her and she is not working
11)After 6 months you havent met her family if they are in Sydney, and they dont know about you

In summary, a lady interested in you will make time to see you
When she sees you as boyfriend material and not a pushover, text conversations are fair - with her replying promptly and initiating contact

By all means go out with women that arent interested. Occasionally good times can be had if she drops her boyfriend or is just bored. But have a lot of options so if one falls through you have a few other ladies to focus your fun with. Oneitis is the trap you need to avoid

Now you know the laws of the game, be the player and not the played, and dont waste another minute of your life

So true!
12) She only initiates contact with you when she needs you to do something for her.
13) You ask her out and she wants to bring a friend.

[HamishAM]

So true!
12) She only initiates contact with you when she needs you to do something for her.
13) You ask her out and she wants to bring a friend.

Completely agree with 12. Holy shit - the advice in this thread is crazy good

[Budgyboy]

Its all good bro.
You had a good time for 8 months: fucking, eating, drinking, sucking, kissing, licking ... beautiful ...
And now it's all over.
Relax.
She can go and see other people and you can go and see other people.
You've still got your health, your money, and your sanity ... you may not see this right now but you are the King of the World ... Enjoy!
In 2 years time you will be in a totally different space and mindset, and she will be a girl you fondly remember

Got to say rooter you alway put things just they way they should be. I'm going through the whole ML thing and I'm having a ball but and a big but she will always be that a ML. I have made a bit of a mess of things but I've been fucking the hottest little Thai girl that I have ever seen. Yeah I know it won't last, yeah I know I've fucked up but man what a ride. It will be over soon and it will be one of the best memories of my life. But I won't do the whole leave the missus and take big dramatic life changes, just fuck them enjoy and move on, I've learnt my lesson and I am king of the world.

[hyperultra]

14)Next day she will never text you to thank you for the nice dinner or date or flowers. A woman who respects your efforts would do that
15)She only texts you AFTER you have texted her. There can be days before you hear from her
16)Often reminds you about things about you that annoy her. This is another bad sign
17)Any other signs that show she takes you for granted. This includes making NO effort to do nice things for you where SHE shows initiative. She may do it infrequently just so she can continue you string you along, but its only when she has to, for example your birthday; but even that feels half assed
18)She is not interested in finding commonalities between you, or finding out things that you like, and providing them. She lacks much interest at all in who you are

[cmk76]

So, Hamish... Which one of the girls from Gerald St did this to you?! Deer, Mona, Ayu...?! Name and shame them!

[Yogurt]

Give us her name and where she work and i will roll her life like a bread roll like what she did to you ...

[HamishAM]

So, Hamish... Which one of the girls from Gerald St did this to you?! Deer, Mona, Ayu...?! Name and shame them!

Haha none from there - they were all good girls! It was a ML.


Give us her name and where she work and i will roll her life like a bread roll like what she did to you ...

Haha i wouldn't do it publically. If you PM me I will supply the name/work place.

[Brothelcreeper]

Interesting thread

[hyperultra]

20)You actually dont have a lot in common and she has some annoying hobbies like loving childrens movies and wants to do that when you go out. An inability to ask you what you would like to do for a night out
21)Inconsiderate. Cancels your planned night out with a lunchtime text - sorry I cant make it - with a crappy excuse.The truth is that she has just received a better offer from another guy she is also stringing along. If you dont drop her right then and there, then you are an easy target with a "kick me hard" sign on your trousers
22)Not much interaction or chemistry or affection when you go out. She hss very definite barriers up. Like dating your sister

[Brothelcreeper]

23) when you kiss her you can taste other punters cum on her lips

[paddington244]

I want to throw up how long this has gone on
It is simple do not expect love from a working girl unless you have money

[Highnoon]

Thanks, HamishAM, thanks friends, I learned a lot during the last days ...

[exstar]

Sorry to hear if your plight bro, just remember the positives out of your experience, females outnumber males here especially Asians so you will definitely get the opportunity to meet the girl of your dreams - just don’t seek them in a brothel lol. Girls can sniff desperate guys from a mile away and will take advantage however way they can. Use your experience to play the game and turn the tables on them - the meaner you are the keener they are!

[HamishAM]

Sorry to hear if your plight bro, just remember the positives out of your experience, females outnumber males here especially Asians so you will definitely get the opportunity to meet the girl of your dreams - just don’t seek them in a brothel lol. Girls can sniff desperate guys from a mile away and will take advantage however way they can. Use your experience to play the game and turn the tables on them - the meaner you are the keener they are!

Cheers mate. Yeah definitely won't be looking in those places again for any form of romance haha. It was a good experience - many good memories and many bad. Now I think I'm a bit stronger

[j_highrolla]

yeh thats sad to hear. But unfortunately for these chicks, its normal for them to have multiple bfs and back-ups ready to go.

as Akon said, shes dangerous.

https://youtu.be/Ro7yHf_pU14

[hyperultra]

its normal for them to have multiple bfs and back-ups ready to go.
https://youtu.be/Ro7yHf_pU14

Very true. Look at it from the womans point of view.
A womans beauty is a powerful thing - makes one man weep, makes another man sing
Unfortunately for the majority of women, that beauty will fade, so unless she has chosen well from the merry go round of men, she may well be alone

It all works out even in the end

If your only asset is your beauty and body, life isnt going to be a party for too long

[HamishAM]

yeh thats sad to hear. But unfortunately for these chicks, its normal for them to have multiple bfs and back-ups ready to go.

as Akon said, shes dangerous.

https://youtu.be/Ro7yHf_pU14

Yeah it sucks but it's true. The song is so good.


Very true. Look at it from the womans point of view.
A womans beauty is a powerful thing - makes one man weep, makes another man sing
Unfortunately for the majority of women, that beauty will fade, so unless she has chosen well from the merry go round of men, she may well be alone

It all works out even in the end

If your only asset is your beauty and body, life isnt going to be a party for too long

I agree. She knows she is beautiful and has alot of experience using and controlling men. Slight body touches etc. She can control emotions, very manipulative. But I agree with everything you said how it's temporary.

[hyperultra]

I dont blame beautiful women. When we meet them, we usually mistake OUR interest in them as being reciprocated

In reality, often her interest for you is less, sometimes much less. Thats why you have to read the signs of interest/disinterest

[xboyx]

Very true. Look at it from the womans point of view.
A womans beauty is a powerful thing - makes one man weep, makes another man sing
Unfortunately for the majority of women, that beauty will fade, so unless she has chosen well from the merry go round of men, she may well be alone

It all works out even in the end

If your only asset is your beauty and body, life isnt going to be a party for too long

you say it right. women are at their best when they're 18-25, even to 30. then there is no way they can attract men like younger girls and they gradually lost their best assets. while we men get better till our skin is loose and our balls are sag
the worst thing is there is always a young girl for us to fall for :shout: they never stop coming at us

[hyperultra]

there is always a young girl for us to fall for :shout: they never stop coming at us

It's a man's world. (Great song too)

As much as it should be equal, thats the reality

Never feel sorry for yourself. Let any fears you have be crushed under your foot. The world is there to enjoy. Every day us a new day.
Its good to be alive. Take care of your health, and everything will flow for you

[whiteboi]

You need to read the Rational Male. This is definitely life saving material. Even just hearing stories from some guys failed relationships and marriage is an eye opener to the reality of female nature.

This doesn't excuse poor behaviour from females far from it but lets you understand and properly navigate your way through life without getting completely burned in your dealings with the opposite sex.

Most of the links below are just from his blog Best of Year One posts that I believe you should read but if any of that resonates with you.

I'd recommend buying the first book if you find the blog posts helpful and see what you think of Rational Male volume 1 but ultimately the books are just blog posts compiled so you can make your way through all of the best of posts.

https://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

SUGAR BABIES - https://therationalmale.com/2016/07/11/sugar-babies/

THE BITTER TASTE OF THE RED PILL - https://therationalmale.com/2012/04/10/the-bitter-taste-of-the-red-pill/

KILL THE BETA - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/21/kill-the-beta-2/

THE MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

JUST GET IT - https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/

HYPERGAMY DOESN’T CARE - https://therationalmale.com/2012/05/16/hypergamy-doesnt-care/

APPRECIATION - https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/14/appreciation/

THERE IS NO ONE - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/30/there-is-no-one/

THE CARDINAL RULE OF RELATIONSHIPS - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/the-cardinal-rule-of-relationships/

THE DESIRE DYNAMIC - https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/

THE 5 STAGES OF UNPLUGGING - https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/


Not commenting on what you posted specifically as im not bothered to read through it so sorry if ive completely missed the mark here however it appears to be associated with that cringy and toxic red pill bullshit. Women are not a science, they are all different.

All Hamish needs to understand is shes a shit cunt so not worth his time and perhaps meeting WL as a client is not the best way to meet her with the view to starting a relationship.

[Spydii]

Why would it matter ? U pay for her time nothing else. These character's don't grasp this have the charisma of a caterpillar and are starving emotionally morally bankrupt anorexic's.

[BongKong]

Why would it matter ? U pay for her time nothing else. These character's don't grasp this have the charisma of a caterpillar and are starving emotionally morally bankrupt anorexic's.

Ed Kamper or Son of Sam?

[Devilex]

sorry to have heard that.
I have a similar situation where I am not fortunate enough to form a relationship with the WL (as I got family)
I met this WL in 2016 (there was a thread where I talked about this) and we have been in touch since. almost daily, still today.
she understands my situation and she is in Melbourne now (while I am in Sydney)
we still make crazy loves every time we meet and she has started to exit the industry by not involving herself into the physical work.
she instead starts to be the liaison for girls and charge commissions. Smart girl
On the other hand she is very committed to our casual relationship, paid her own flight to Sydney to have a good natural sex with me, always upon my request. (and I travelled internationally a lot, so it isn't always easy, plus she needs to work on her own work to get her bills paid)

I guess I am one of the lucky guy who still believes they are true relationship, or client relationship can be converted if you are genuine with the right person...
lets see if time will prove me wrong.

[bayside]

sorry to have heard that.
I have a similar situation where I am not fortunate enough to form a relationship with the WL (as I got family)
I met this WL in 2016 (there was a thread where I talked about this) and we have been in touch since. almost daily, still today.
she understands my situation and she is in Melbourne now (while I am in Sydney)
we still make crazy loves every time we meet and she has started to exit the industry by not involving herself into the physical work.
she instead starts to be the liaison for girls and charge commissions. Smart girl
On the other hand she is very committed to our casual relationship, paid her own flight to Sydney to have a good natural sex with me, always upon my request. (and I travelled internationally a lot, so it isn't always easy, plus she needs to work on her own work to get her bills paid)

I guess I am one of the lucky guy who still believes they are true relationship, or client relationship can be converted if you are genuine with the right person...
lets see if time will prove me wrong.

Nice story and all the best

Generally a woman in the sex industry just wont stay with you just for the sex, as she is immersed in sex every day.
Things usually fizz out eventually unless you are providing her other things like finances or support. These relationships can also fall through without much warning in some cases

[Nekman]

What a story and ride! Sorry to hear how it ended for you but just remember the good times and move on. It wasn’t meant to be and better it broke now than later.

[AHLUNGOR]

Brother Devilex,

Is she one of those BBW you kept mention before ??

[faruk]

You definitely came out the winner in this one...plus you made the other guy waste money on flying out to NZ lolololol

[Clozapine]

Some things are deficient in branched chain amino's acids.
They are starved.
Auxotrophic for Leucine .
They cannot synthesize one amino acid into another.
The best thing would be to mate two of these
Haploid Auxotrophic's.
Lets hope they multiple in cerebrospinal fluid.

[Yinwei]

Sorry about the misfortune of broken trust and other things brother. And respect for bearing it all. My 'relationship' packed up and left overnight to open her own brothel across the border. At least that was with my blessing. She would have done it anyway.

[Themassageking]

Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if everyone remembers my old story about chasing after a ML to become my GF. Here is the old thread.
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.php?71671-What-happened-to-me-Love-or-not

All I can say after 8-9 months together was fuck I should have listened to everyone in that thread. Holy shit this past few months have been hell. Let me fill you up with some of the backstory and my stupid actions and red flags I ignored.

Part 1: What happened.

- Met ML girl
- Told me she didn't have a BF but she did
- He was abusing her and I helped her
- Helped her find a place to live and started our 'relationship'

Following on after Part 1 - I managed to help her escape from her boyfriend. We kept seeing each other and formed a 'relationship' (I say relationship like this because she says she does not believe in labels like BF/GF - this was another red flag). Every day I would pick her up and take her home, get her dinner and bring her lunch to her work because she wouldn't eat properly. We also traveled a fair bit together around Australia and Internationally (I'll get to this one soon). Everything was looking good for 6-7 months - we decided to live together so I started looking for apartments and helping her with her visa paperwork etc. We decided to go to a trip to NZ once we moved into our apartment and that's where it went all downhill. I can accept that she sells sex as a service and that she does outcalls etc. But there was one guy who she claimed was a customer...but he wasn't - she would stay over his house once a week and always meet him (Wow red flag). He was someone she met before myself and was also seeing him as a boyfriend. She played us both for 8 months and saw us both simultaneously. We both were having natural sex with her etc. In NZ, halfway through our trip he finds out that she is with me (she told him she was travelling alone and she told him that I was a customer after she was found out). He decided to fly all the way to NZ to take her from me - and he was successful. She likes guys who do dramatic actions like that in a movie and i wasn't able to stop her from seeing him. So from there our relationship was pretty much over - she moved all her things out but she wanted to stay friends with me and still have sex - but that's not what i wanted. In between all this there were many arguments with me, her and him. Eventually she had to choose and I was willing to let her come back to me once more with a fresh start (I believe in second chances but I guess i was too naive) - and she chose me. We were living happily and fine again when she moved in. But, one night she decides to see him and suddenly doesn't come home. The next day she is at my agent asking to pay the break fee on our lease and move all her things. She didn't say one word to me or look at my face - she took her things and left concluding our story together. She went from making love with me and talking happily cooking meals together to dead cold silence and systematically moving out from me. I can say I believe I was a good man to her - never hurt her, gave her freedom and took care of her. Maybe I was too kind, maybe I didn't control her enough? I'll never know but she didn't tell me why she left.

There are a lot more details to this story but this is the gist of it towards the end (all this happened within 2-3 weeks!). Now I can see all the red flags, the lying, the constant cheating with her past boyfriends etc. She was a good and caring person but she is very unstable with her behaviors and I don't believe she knows what commitment or loyalty means anymore.

I feel a little broken in terms of trust now and I really wanted to know why she suddenly decided to leave me so fast without explaining or talking but i'll never get that chance. What do you guys think? Any recommendations on how to get past all this? Thank you for reading!

If you have any questions about her feel free to leave a message or PM me for finer details.

What nationality is she, like what country is she from?

[HamishAM]

This is so old now haha. She was Japanese

[storry_teller]

Now you’re okay, mate?
This is so old now haha. She was Japanese

[GoldfishMan]

This is so old now haha. She was Japanese
Lol, lots of bored punters pulling up old threads to talk about.

[HamishAM]

Yeah, all good now! Definitely a big learning experience. Managed to fuck her a few more times which was cool. She is now married and has a kid but still tries to meet me but done with that.

I'm enjoying my time with a younger Japanese ML now. No more dating, only fun.

[abovetherim]

Nice epilogue to the story.

[Rooster18]

Yeah, all good now! Definitely a big learning experience. Managed to fuck her a few more times which was cool. She is now married and has a kid but still tries to meet me but done with that.

I'm enjoying my time with a younger Japanese ML now. No more dating, only fun.

What a great lesson from both sides of the spectrum. Nice read...

[GoldfishMan]

Yeah, all good now! Definitely a big learning experience. Managed to fuck her a few more times which was cool. She is now married and has a kid but still tries to meet me but done with that.

I'm enjoying my time with a younger Japanese ML now. No more dating, only fun.
This actually brought a smile to my face. Keep on punting and enjoying life!

[dry20]

another naive guy, hope you can take a lesson and move on

[Johnisfun1969]

Hamish, store the nice scenes in your memory, delete the bullshit and look in a new direction. Not so easy. And keep the distance like already suggested ...

Interesting post and it’s getting some good comments. I have the same opinion. A working lady or not as they always say it’s better to have loved and lost than not loved at all. The pain and regret for not giving it a go would have been more a few years later. Also think of the suffering you have been spared if this woman stayed in your life.

[00Eibwen]

Nice epilogue to the story.

This is not a epilogue to the story. It just an ending to a chapter. There is plenty of story to write. Keep it strong and make sure the story get better. Good Luck