There are some dead set wankers out there

[4FoW2]

Was at Massage shop having a very nice time and both of us recovering from a sweaty session. Hearing raised voices outside. Went on for a few minutes and my girl recognized the voice so she goes out to see commotion.
Some guy of Indian persuasion is going off his nut about WG who gave him a poor massage now he wanted his money back. Turned out he had been in the shop before and tricked one of the girls into a situation whereby in her words he tried to rape her. He denied ever being in the shop and he said he never ever saw the girl he was supposed to have apparently raped. The WG said she actually made a police statement about the incident with him.
The WG I was with showed me CCTV footage of him on her phone and sure enough it was him in the shop.
Now its none of my business but the girls story added up his story sounded like pure BS.
After heated altercations and him scaring the shit out of the girls in the shop he finally left. I tried to support the girls and just calm him down but gee I am sure you know what I really wanted to do.
2 other clients came in and were also of the opinion that this guy was nothing more than a dickhead. They too fully supported the girls in the shop and tried to get him to go.
This guy tried to fake ringing the police, threatening all sorts of crap and at times just purely refused to move out of the shop.
I feel sorry for the girls because often they are left alone in a shop with no male support and due to their naive understanding of the law and lack of knowledge of how to cope with situations like this they are really very vulnerable.

After he left the WG who said he tried to rape her was visibly shaken and the ppl in the shop did our best to try to calm her and reassure her.

I know if you are in this type of industry you are going to come across people and incidents like this but ffs what are these guys thinking.
Most of these girls are in this situation, yes some out of choosing, but many out of necessity to make some money to pay debts or financial situations.

Karma will happen to this guy one day ....I only wish I was there to see it and videotape it to show the girls.

[tab123]

So.... Are the girls hot at this shop?

[brownwallaby]

I was close to an ML a few years ago. She told me she was once raped by a Cauc customer on her first week at the job. And being new in this country she had no clue of what she was supposed to do or have done. Eventually she told the boss but the boss put the blame back on her (‘why you didn’t scream, why you just let it happen, you must have done something which make him do so’)

[flamejob]

Something similar happened when I was at a shop in Springwood last year. Indian dude carrying on like a pork chop. no allegation of rape, but he was being a dick to the girl and then to the others when they came out to see wtf was going on.

[Brissypunter]

I’m sure there is not a ml in brisbane who likes Indian customers from what I seen as a punter and from mls tell me they are all mostly dickhead trying to scam free or cheap or run off not paying

[4FoW2]

So.... Are the girls hot at this shop?
Yet another one.

[The Professor]

As I travel throughout Sth East Asia to places like Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, Singapore and others one central complaint I hear from working girls is sub continent men are smelly, dirty, treat the girls like shit, underpay and always try to scam or cheat even not pay. I have heard countless stories of men from these parts refusing to pay or getting a girl to go back to the hotel and find 2/3 others there waiting. Now I work with some very respectful Indian men who are total gentlemen and they know how they suffer from their grubby brothers and the stereotypical notion WG have of their race. This is not racism it is pure fact. Unfortunately strong cultural and male chauvinistic beliefs lead these individuals to act the way they do.
Funny how when I go travelling Australians, Europeans and Americans are treated like gold by the WG whereas Muslims, Indians and some Asian races are looked upon with contempt and loathing. I have some people suggest its just the color of the money that counts- in my experience that is true BS.
The average Indian man thinks it ok to pee on the streets in India..this is a true reflection of the type of man that comes from these parts. Flame me if you want ....but go ask a WG....bet my house she will agree.

[tab123]

Yet another one.

This is a punting forum buddy. We care about the looks of the girls and their services.

There are many dickheads in the world. If you really care, you should become a cop.

[Massaddict]

I’m sure there is not a ml in brisbane who likes Indian customers from what I seen as a punter and from mls tell me they are all mostly dickhead trying to scam free or cheap or run off not paying

When visiting an ML I always try to spark a conversation to make the ML feel safe and relaxed. I have heard many a story about the above and wonder why they do it. Stories of Indian guys on arrival getting irate and abusive trying to get the price down and many doing a runner when to massage is over. (Their hygiene is very bad too) Some MLs have told me of anther race that is just as bad.

How do they expect an ML to give them a nice relaxing quality massage when the poor girl is feeling so bad after being subjected to such a nasty intro etc.

I have noticed many adds on Locanto where WLs clearly state no Indians!

Maybe that is why some shops charge so much because of the shit they have to go through to make some $$$. I certainly feel sorry for these MLs'.

[4FoW2]

"We" judging from the responses on here you are in the minority.
Besides who says you speak for all the posters on here.
You are right in one respect - there are many dickheads in the world - buddy.

[cekret]

I totally agree with this discussion. I for one am of Asian background but have treated each n every girl with the utmost respect n have never had a bad experience in all my punting travels. In fact I am a regular to a shop and like to keep the healthy relationship.

But I must say, over and over again I've had the girls express their dislike towards the Indian men. In one incident I opted for the 4 hands massage n suddenly there was someone knocking at the locked door. One ML went to tell him they were all booked out but he wasnt happy. After a few minutes she returned n said it was a Indian guy who had been following her from shop to shop n always asking for sex. She hated him n felt as if she was being stalked by him.

There has to be a line in the sand or else they'll ruin it for the rest of us respectfull punters when things turns to push n shove. If only there was a register of abusive guys where shops can refuse service, I'm sure it'll make life safer for the ML's.

[tab123]

"We" judging from the responses on here you are in the minority.
Besides who says you speak for all the posters on here.
You are right in one respect - there are many dickheads in the world - buddy.

Hi 4FoW2,

I am not saying I'm the best person in the world because I do go punting.

However, I'm not the kind of guys who would think they are better than other people and act like a hero in front of the girls. Yeah dude... If you really feel bad for the girl who was allegedly raped, go punch that fucking guy instead of being the "nice" guy in "supporting" the girl.

This is a after report section and perhaps you should write more about your "sweaty" session.

[merlin200]

Hi can you tell me which shop this happened in. I am close to some girls who have told me similar situation before so worried it's not from the girls I know

[Massaddict]

Hi can you tell me which shop this happened in. I am close to some girls who have told me similar situation before so worried it's not from the girls I know

Its happened to many shops!

[ecchi.gaijin]

I had just finished a session at Amore years ago when some dickhead lost the plot over not getting a full stamp on his loyalty card for a half hour session. I stuck around to make sure nothing happened but let him have his rant (mostly on the phone to the owner). The moron eventually left, without his keys. So I found him on the street and gave them back to him. The girls have to put up with all sorts of shit. Have heard some real shocking stories of what some weirdos and slimebags do.

[ecchi.gaijin]

Hi 4FoW2,

I am not saying I'm the best person in the world because I do go punting.

However, I'm not the kind of guys who would think they are better than other people and act like a hero in front of the girls. Yeah dude... If you really feel bad for the girl who was allegedly raped, go punch that fucking guy instead of being the "nice" guy in "supporting" the girl.

This is a after report section and perhaps you should write more about your "sweaty" session.

If there was a police report filed and CCTV footage to support his being at the shop at the time of the alleged incident, wouldn't the police be interested in meeting him on his most recent visit?

[Taffpost]

Hi 4FoW2,

I am not saying I'm the best person in the world because I do go punting.

However, I'm not the kind of guys who would think they are better than other people and act like a hero in front of the girls. Yeah dude... If you really feel bad for the girl who was allegedly raped, go punch that fucking guy instead of being the "nice" guy in "supporting" the girl.

This is a after report section and perhaps you should write more about your "sweaty" session.

I sort of get what this guy is saying, but then again, punching in was going to make a bad situation worse wasn’t it?

I do dare you to call the cops in, be interested to know what your reason for being there would be....

“I was just here servicing the air conditioning and low and behold this started happening...”

[popeye96]

I sort of get what this guy is saying, but then again, punching in was going to make a bad situation worse wasn’t it?

I do dare you to call the cops in, be interested to know what your reason for being there would be....

“I was just here servicing the air conditioning and low and behold this started happening...”
Easy. Just say you were walking past and heard all the yelling so popped your head in to see if everything was ok.

[RottenLittlePunt]

I sort of get what this guy is saying, but then again, punching in was going to make a bad situation worse wasn’t it?

I do dare you to call the cops in, be interested to know what your reason for being there would be....

“I was just here servicing the air conditioning and low and behold this started happening...”

It's a massage shop, you went there for a massage. How are you to know what the girls do with other customers? you only go there for a massage.

[Taffpost]

It's a massage shop, you went there for a massage. How are you to know what the girls do with other customers? you only go there for a massage.

That defence actually doesn’t work.

If you’re on the premises that illegal practices are offered it’s up to you to prove that you were not partaking. There is no presumption of innocence when circumstantial evidence says the contrary.

[RottenLittlePunt]

That defence actually doesn’t work.

If you’re on the premises that illegal practices are offered it’s up to you to prove that you were not partaking. There is no presumption of innocence when circumstantial evidence says the contrary.

Yes it does, and has actually been used. The law states

" It is also an offence under s. 229I of the Criminal Code for a person, without reasonable excuse, to be found in or leaving a place suspected on reasonable grounds of being used for the purposes of prostitution by two or more sex workers"

Getting a legitimate massage is a reasonable excuse and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove otherwise.

[Taffpost]

It's a massage shop, you went there for a massage. How are you to know what the girls do with other customers? you only go there for a massage.


Yes it does, and has actually been used. The law states

" It is also an offence under s. 229I of the Criminal Code for a person, without reasonable excuse, to be found in or leaving a place suspected on reasonable grounds of being used for the purposes of prostitution by two or more sex workers"

Getting a legitimate massage is a reasonable excuse and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove otherwise.

Dare you to give it a shot.

[Digger]

Yes it does, and has actually been used. The law states

" It is also an offence under s. 229I of the Criminal Code for a person, without reasonable excuse, to be found in or leaving a place suspected on reasonable grounds of being used for the purposes of prostitution by two or more sex workers"

Getting a legitimate massage is a reasonable excuse and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove otherwise.

I agree with you RLP; too many “bush lawyers” here!

[RottenLittlePunt]

Dare you to give it a shot.

Even after owners or staff are convicted of prostitution, the shop itself is not forced to close. The fact that a massage shop is permitted to remain open and trade as a legitimate massage shop confirms that there is a legitimate reason to be on premises.

If this were not true then the shop would either be forced to closed or the PLA would require them to apply for a brothel licence.

[Bob Roberts]

You will be charged, even if you state you had no idea what is on offer. Trust me on this one.

[johnnipperess]

I agree with mr 2 bobs above����

You will be charged.

[RottenLittlePunt]

You will be charged, even if you state you had no idea what is on offer. Trust me on this one.


I agree with mr 2 bobs above����

You will be charged.

Of course you will be charged, that is done by the police. A defense is used in court to avoid conviction, not given to the police to avoid being charged. The fact you guys don't understand the process says a lot about your legal prowess. So forgive me if I don't trust either of you.

[Digger]

Of course you will be charged, that is done by the police. A defense is used in court to avoid conviction, not given to the police to avoid being charged. The fact you guys don't understand the process says a lot about your legal prowess. So forgive me if I don't trust either of you.

Your response to these guys is on the mark, RLP!
Maybe it will clarify the situation for them?

[johnnipperess]

So perhaps I am missing something but having your name listed to appear in court on a charge of soliciting to me is the biggest penalty. The cost of paying a lawyer to successfully or otherwise defend you is a lesser concern.
You know, being married and all...
Pardon me for not feeling clarified or otherwise any less anxious should the constabulary walk in on my legitimate naked massage.

[WhyDidIWait]

Probably need to consider whether it will appear on your criminal history as well. As I understand it, a charge, even if not convicted or even if it has been dismissed, may appear on your criminal history check (depending on what the check is to be used for). So it may affect future employment opportunities or other stuff which may require criminal history checks to be performed. Just my two cents and I'm not a solicitor

[Bob Roberts]

Exactly my point, whether you can “prove” you knew nothing about it is only part of the issue. If stumping up $10k for a basic not guilty plea is no issue (assuming it doesn’t go to trial), then I suggest that whatever the burden of proof legally is, it would be a damned site harder persuading your other half of your innocence, and even harder to keep the whole thing under wraps. RLP can kid himself it’s not an issue, and if you are single with cash, maybe. But if you don’t want it public it’s a nightmare.

[RottenLittlePunt]

So perhaps I am missing something but having your name listed to appear in court on a charge of soliciting to me is the biggest penalty. The cost of paying a lawyer to successfully or otherwise defend you is a lesser concern.
You know, being married and all...
Pardon me for not feeling clarified or otherwise any less anxious should the constabulary walk in on my legitimate naked massage.


Probably need to consider whether it will appear on your criminal history as well. As I understand it, a charge, even if not convicted or even if it has been dismissed, may appear on your criminal history check (depending on what the check is to be used for). So it may affect future employment opportunities or other stuff which may require criminal history checks to be performed. Just my two cents and I'm not a solicitor


Exactly my point, whether you can “prove” you knew nothing about it is only part of the issue. If stumping up $10k for a basic not guilty plea is no issue (assuming it doesn’t go to trial), then I suggest that whatever the burden of proof legally is, it would be a damned site harder persuading your other half of your innocence, and even harder to keep the whole thing under wraps. RLP can kid himself it’s not an issue, and if you are single with cash, maybe. But if you don’t want it public it’s a nightmare.


"If you’ve been found not guilty, it will not show up in your record."

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/crime-and-police/criminal-records-and-history-checks/criminal-records

If you are concerned about being charged or having to defend a charge for being found on the premises of prostitution, then WTF are you on this forum? Because you shouldn't be punting in the first place.


Jesus some of you guys talk some absolute shit.

[Digger]

I could not have said it better, RLP!

[bjsearcher]

This is why i mainly see Privates.

[The Professor]

Me too I like to see their privates!

[Kangaroo Point Cowboy]

Who needs trouble with the police. If I learn that a shop has been raided once I don't go back. Certain amount of safety in numbers though. So many shops and although I am not a lawyer and don't claim to know I assume the police have priorities and limited resources, would have difficulty obtaining evidence and would be acting in response to complaints. While any shop may be complained about it seems to me that a shop in a residential area or in close proximity to a legal brothel would be more likely to attract complaints. I think reviews of shops should be discreet although the police obviously know what goes on. Police are on average a reflection of society, on average no more or no less intelligent than the average person. The average person knows what goes on in the shops so it would be a fair guess that the police do. They have to prove it though.

[ococpunt]

I am sure some police will need a bit of stress relief too, so unless a certain amount of complaints are raised and enough evidence are collected, most shops are gonna be fine...

[Bob Roberts]

The police go in undercover over a matter of weeks. If they are consistently offered extras, then they have reason to believe that that is standard practice, the place gets raided at a later date and everyone involved is charged. So the “ I didn’t know routine” is not as easy a defence as some think, but it is an option for anyone who wants to roll those dice.

Places that get raided have usually had complaints, but why one place gets targeted over another is usually political I guess, and anywhere could just as easily come under scrutiny or be left alone depending on who is complaining, how much clout they have and how much noise they make

[Tavs]

I am sure some police will need a bit of stress relief too, so unless a certain amount of complaints are raised and enough evidence are collected, most shops are gonna be fine...

You may find that these places come under more scruitiny around erection er election times to show pollies tough on crime.

I have heard most complaints come from old ladies or surrounding shop owners. I know the owner of one place who has put in multiple complaints about the massage parlor next door as he constantly gets drifters who just stand out the front of his shop and even occasions where his female staff got propositioned.

[Sticky Date]

How many of shops in Brisbane have been raided?

I know of one only.

Others?

[Tavs]

How many of shops in Brisbane have been raided?

I know of one only.

Others?

Across Brisbane, five off the top of my head, a couple in Logan and a big blitz last year on the Gold Coast.

[Digger]

Across Brisbane, five off the top of my head, a couple in Logan and a big blitz last year on the Gold Coast.

Well into double figures over the last 6 years.