Becoming friends with a WL

[Azninvasion85]

Hey everyone!

So this has been lingering on my mind a bit. You see a WL and u hit it off with them. Great chemistry, great communication, and most importantly seems like u both enjoy each other's company.
I know that it's their job to make u like them and to take everything with a grain of salt.
However I have been chatting regularly with a WL for about 2 -3 weeks now about everything and it seems like we are friends. Now the question being should I go back to the shop to see her as she was a great fuck, but I'm worried that this may change our friendship. Sure we had sex before but that was prior to us clicking so well outside of work. I've had a couple of coffee catch ups with her and lunch. Never brought up work, just shooting the breeze like u would with a mate.
What are ur thoughts brothers? I think she appreciates someone not seeing her just for sex or anticipating getting anyoutside of work. I don't want to have sexy time with her outside of her work either unless of course if she initiates or our friendship leads elsewhere (fuck buddy?) Dunno she gets enough sex at work lol.

Thanks in advance for ur input guys

[Weapon]

This topic has come up a lot. You will do what you want to do regardless of any comments here. Enjoy your time, maybe learn a lesson or two in the process. Who knows you may even end up marrying.

[Azninvasion85]

The question was would u guys continue to see her at the shop?

[toysrus]

Yes go see her at the shop. Unless the girl says otherwise, its very likely she would prefer you to still see her at the shop.

[Guymartin420]

Sex with some connection is really addictive. It’s really exhilarating. So, if you have a connection with her, work on it, but keep seeing her in the shop. At some stage, she will ask you out. Till then , play cool and enjoy!

[bdjc]

at the end of the day, you'd still want to fuck her.
and if you see another pretty girl, you'd want to fuck the new girl as well.

that's why we go to shops.

having a GF feels good initially, but you'll get bored & want try other girls in 6 months or less.

[cuteguy]

You can be friends with a WL as long as you don't get too emotionally attached to her. Just remember she is seeing many guys in her line of work and that means 6 to 10 guys per day/night. If you can't handle this situation then it's best to stay away and get involved with a normal girl who is not a WL. On the other hand, if you are strong willed and not deterred by the fact that she is having sex with many guys and want to have fun with her, its up to you. Yes, you may have lots of free sex with them if they want to hang out with you. But do you really want to get involved with a girl who is working as a WL?

This subject has been discussed many times on this forum. Many guys have fallen for WLs only to be burnt in the end because they got attached to the girls hoping that they would leave the industry for them. In most cases, it won't happen because the girls have made the choice to work in this industry for the money and not to meet guys to be friends. Even if she has given her number to you, she may see some financial benefit in doing this. On the other hand, there may be a very small percentage of WLs who decide to leave the industry for a customer but they do so if the customer gives an undertaking to support them financially. Would you want to do this?

[Budgyboy]

If your single guy go for it and have a bit of fun but definitely dont get too involved keep it light and if your married just dont, take it from someone with experience

[Carby]

Are you thinking of being just friends or expecting something more? Judging from the title, I'm going to say just friends until otherwise stated. I'd say I'll still visit her until she says otherwise. It's not like you're falling for her. She'd just be a fuck buddy that you pay. Guilt free fun

[Tvirgo]

Better to keep it to a professional level. You pay her, fuck her, chat with her, enjoy your time with her and go home. Why would you complicate things for the both of yers?

[Azninvasion85]

Thanks for all the advice brothers! Yeh it is just friends, I understand her situation and why her and other girls work in the industry.
I'm not falling for her (I think...pretty sure I'm not) however on a personal level I think if I didn't meet her at a shop and know she's a working girl then I would definitely fall for her hahah.
I do realise she's sleeping with 6 - 10 guys a day however like everyone knows here, it's her job. I'm not going to be hung up on that lol. I'm not her boyfriend, so it's not my place to say anything. Besides I still punt so it's not like I'm only see her right? Lol
Yeh I think I will see her at the shop as well, as we did have a pretty good time. Time outside the shop was also fun haha.
Thanks all!!

[Yogurt]

You will hear and meet bull story , lie , cheat , headache , hassle and all disaster to your life , you dont agree but you will ...

[Brothelcreeper]

Date WL's at your peril....you have been warned

[mcjesus]

...you may have lots of free sex with them...


i highly doubt this.

[Brothelcreeper]

i highly doubt this.

The free sex always comes with an emotional price tag .......been there, done that several times and never ends well

[chrislee1981]

Dont get emotional with wl. They only want ur $$

[jk_268]

Dont get emotional with wl. They only want ur $$

There are exceptions, but yes careful treading

[CunningLinguist]

Maybe she is bored and enjoys your company. If you stop seeing her in the shop she proably won't enjoy your company so much anymore ...

[guerillacon]

Life's about the ride, would not mind trying it.

[cuteguy]

i highly doubt this.

Well I have to disagree based on past experience.:shout:

[rooter]

I have been best friends with WLs on many occasions - for exactly one hour ;)

[Niceguy11]

I would be treading carefully bro. I have a few WL friends and once you know them, it really opens the doors to what the industry is really like if that makes sense. It's really tricky because its hard to know if they are really there to be friends or if they want your money in the long term. One of my WL friends is great because she doesnt send regular messages like "hi baby you coming tonight to see me ?" only when shes working. Others might be like "hey how you going or hows your day been" as an example.

So yeah, just tread careful but don't get too involved with them because it can open a shitload of problems if you are not careful.

[Assandlegs]

I don't reckon I am qualified to provide any advice here after what has happened..... lol

[Azninvasion85]

Haha Thanks for the advice brothers! I'm not looking for free sex. I just think she's a cool and funny chic and from my convos with her a girl that's quite intelligent as well. My intentions are pure! I think... lol I've only seen her once at the shop, 3 times out side just for a coffee catch up n chat. That's it. She hasn't messaged to ask if I'm going to see her or anything like that. It's just like how I chat to my female friends.

[Thai_Player]

WL have many "friends"

You will just be another mobile number on her many mobile phones...
She will chew you up & spit you in a second because she has many "friends"
Trust me, the sex will get shit because you are friends
She wont fuck you like the 1st time
And you will think about all the CUM she has swallowed while you are dreaming about her
It will fuck you emotionally
It will make you doubt everything she tells you

Fuck her, stay clear of any relationship
It's not worth it dude

[Brothelcreeper]

There is a difference between being friends with a WL and dating one. The latter is fraught with emotional nightmares unless you don't care what she is doing all day with other blokes. We all know it is her "job" but as you drop her off at work and then sit at your desk all day wondering what she is being asked to do with these blokes it plays on your mind and you are thinking how many people have fucked her arse / pussy / face today, how many punters made her orgasm, which punters are trying to date her, which punters have been nasty to her or unpolite. Not easy territory.

On the other hand being friends is relatively harmless as you can avoid the emotional side of the relationship. A lot of WL's are quite lonely over here as their families are overseas and they like the connection to a local for days out on their days off, coffee, lunch etc.

[mcjesus]

She wont fuck you like the 1st time
And you will think about all the CUM she has swallowed while you are dreaming about her







...which punters are trying to date her, which punters have been nasty to her or unpolite...



wow, these words really got me. now i really need to build a wall.

[Climax598]

You read her reviews on how you guys fuck her. How hard she being fuck. How long and how big the cock. Eating guys cum and making her orgasm many time. Having long fucking session like 2 or 3 round.
Do you guys feel jealous or find it erotic read your girl reviewsreviews?

[cuteguy]

My friend was very good friends with an Asian WL until a series of events one night made him decide to defriend her. She was working for an escort agency and kept saying how she wanted to make it up to him because she had always been busy and as friends, they had spent little time together. They would text each other many times and when she was lonely or feeling upset after running into a bad customer, she would chat with my friend who was there for her when she needed some support. Sometimes she would call late in the evening and cry because some customer had mistreated her and her boss didn't care.

The WL called my friend and told him that she would be free one night during the week to have a night together. He knew she was a busy girl because she was in high demand by customers. She promised him that she would spend time with him and there would be no disruptions. He made reservations for dinner at a classy restaurant in the city and later to see a movie at the cinema in George Street. She loved comedy and he chose a late night session to see this particular comedy with her.

The night comes and she calls to say she is running late. My friend was thinking to himself whether she had stood him up especially after she had given him an undertaking that she would be available for him for the entire night and would not be taking any outcall jobs. Well, she decided to work and as a result, she was late for dinner because her boss wanted her to see one of his VIP customers. My friend was disappointed with her late appearance and she appeared 1.5 hours late. She was well dressed and turned up in a fur coat and underneath she was wearing a hot red dress that showed off her nice cleavage (no bra) and sexy curves and high heels. (How did I know because my friend took photos and showed them to me). She was a sexy girl that made guys stop to feast their eyes on her. She was hot!

Getting back to the story, my friend asked her if she had any bookings later and she said no. They had their dinner and of course he paid for her and then they moved onto the cinema. Then the calls started coming from her boss at the commencement of the movie. She then told my friend she had to go to World Square because her boss had some customers who were having a huge party and wanted a few girls to celebrate with them. She got up and left him alone to watch the movie. He couldn't believe what had happened and felt really angry.

Later that night, she called him to say that the party turned out to be one huge orgy. She felt really bad that she had taken this job. My friend didn't care after that. For him, she was nothing and not a friend. After all the promises she made to him and that she would be spending time with him only and no one else, she couldn't even manage to do this for him. The friendship was over after that night.

So there you have it guys. A true story of a friendship with a WL that went sour because she was more interested in making money than being there for a friend just for one night only.

[CunningLinguist]

Dude that sounds pretty standard, no suprises. Also it's not just WLs that act like that. Alot of young good time popular chicks act that way ...

[Climax598]

Yes, l know man trying to get a pussy as a partner is not easy sometime. Just move on and try your luck on other pussy. He is right to drop her if she only play around with him.

[mcjesus]

Truth is your friend never had any interest in being a friend to the WL - only to try and have sex with her and brag to you and other friends about it. She knows this, too, and so she doesn’t take the “friendship” seriously.

What ? It’s the truth!

wtf? u defending for the WL in the story???

holy moly some guys’ servitude to women is insane!

all i want to add to mr.cuteguy’s story is the sad fact that the orgy might very likely be a bareback orgy.

plus, although the WL always blames her boss, i feel like the WL WANTS to be in the orgy, u know, to be around those rich guys. good luck with these kinds of girls.

[the_boss_king]

from experience, you might just be paying for a talk session.
so know when to set boundaries, unless thats what your after?

[cuteguy]

Truth is your friend never had any interest in being a friend to the WL - only to try and have sex with her and brag to you and other friends about it. She knows this, too, and so she doesn’t take the “friendship” seriously.

What ? It’s the truth!

Hey Doritos,

If you don't know the truth it's best not to make assumptions. My friend was a gentleman who had a soft spot for people in need. She had her own work and he had his own life. She told him what she did and he didn't see her as someone with whom he could score. He was not a sleazebag hoping to get into any girl's panties. They were just friends and when she needed someone to talk to (usually late in the evening), she would call him and he was always there to listen to her and cheer her up. We forget to realize that guys and girls can still be friends without having sex but of course, for some guys it's not possible.

Anyway, her life as an escort wasn't the best nor was her childhood. She would cry after seeing some customers and other times she felt lonely because she didn't have any close friends. They were always texting each other and chatting on their mobiles. He suggested to her to meet up one night to see how she was going because she had been saying many times that they were friends but she could never find the time to take a break from work and just spend some time with him as a friend. The opportunity came to meet up in two public places and not in a hotel room! Unfortunately, she couldn't keep her promise with a friend who was there for her when she felt unhappy. She could have told her boss that she was not working that night but no, she kept her work phone on. She sure made a good sum of money from that night because her hourly rate was high.

[cuteguy]

So in summary, you’re saying your friend does not want or plan to have sex with her at some stage? That he only listens to her cries and sob stories because he is a good friend ? I’m just asking.

Because if your friend knows the girl does what she does, and could never find the time to meet him, as you said, surely what happened should not have been that surprising?

I think the fact that the girl ended up choosing work over the date that night, and your friend’s reaction to it, says it all about this so called “friendship”.

At least the gentleman got a few lovely snaps of her with a fur coat & a sexy red dress on (complete with her nipples poking, as bonus lol)

What he told me was that they were just friends and no sex buddies. It was no date for them. Just an opportunity to catch up as friends. He knew what she did and he was not in it for the sex. Who would have thought that she would walk away leaving him alone in the cinema when she had told him that she was going to put work aside that one night to meet up with him? How would you feel after what happened?

In the end, he came to the conclusion that she had no respect for him and why should he waste his time for her. If a person wants to be friends and go out with you on a social basis they will find time and drop other engagements or tasks to do it. You can't be busy all the time. In the WL's case, it's no wonder she had few friends to turn to because she couldn't even keep her own promise to my friend and for her, work was more important than anything else. Very sad and in doing so, she lost a genuine friend.

[woods23]

What he told me was that they were just friends and no sex buddies. It was no date for them. Just an opportunity to catch up as friends. He knew what she did and he was not in it for the sex. Who would have thought that she would walk away leaving him alone in the cinema when she had told him that she was going to put work aside that one night to meet up with him? How would you feel after what happened?

In the end, he came to the conclusion that she had no respect for him and why should he waste his time for her. If a person wants to be friends and go out with you on a social basis they will find time and drop other engagements or tasks to do it. You can't be busy all the time. In the WL's case, it's no wonder she had few friends to turn to because she couldn't even keep her own promise to my friend and for her, work was more important than anything else. Very sad and in doing so, she lost a genuine friend.

Your friend is lucky.....he should thnx her for it.
A good lesson learnt in life...

A good story for other guys to wake up to !

[mcjesus]

Your friend is lucky.....he should thnx her for it.
A good lesson learnt in life...

A good story for other guys to wake up to !

he should thank god, or anla, or buddha, or whatever for it. thank her? no. fuck her.

[cuteguy]

Your friend is lucky.....he should thnx her for it.
A good lesson learnt in life...

A good story for other guys to wake up to !

Thanks Woods23.

Let this be a lesson for all guys out there when dealing with WLs.

[CunningLinguist]

To get the full story I think we need to know how your friend met the WL in the first place ?

[jk_268]

Your friend is lucky.....he should thnx her for it.
A good lesson learnt in life...

A good story for other guys to wake up to !

Agreed, not just with WLs/MLs though.. can also apply outside too if the girl and guy have a certain dynamic or personality

[Momoe]

My friend was very good friends with an Asian WL until a series of events one night made him decide to defriend her. She was working for an escort agency and kept saying how she wanted to make it up to him because she had always been busy and as friends, they had spent little time together. They would text each other many times and when she was lonely or feeling upset after running into a bad customer, she would chat with my friend who was there for her when she needed some support. Sometimes she would call late in the evening and cry because some customer had mistreated her and her boss didn't care.

The WL called my friend and told him that she would be free one night during the week to have a night together. He knew she was a busy girl because she was in high demand by customers. She promised him that she would spend time with him and there would be no disruptions. He made reservations for dinner at a classy restaurant in the city and later to see a movie at the cinema in George Street. She loved comedy and he chose a late night session to see this particular comedy with her.

The night comes and she calls to say she is running late. My friend was thinking to himself whether she had stood him up especially after she had given him an undertaking that she would be available for him for the entire night and would not be taking any outcall jobs. Well, she decided to work and as a result, she was late for dinner because her boss wanted her to see one of his VIP customers. My friend was disappointed with her late appearance and she appeared 1.5 hours late. She was well dressed and turned up in a fur coat and underneath she was wearing a hot red dress that showed off her nice cleavage (no bra) and sexy curves and high heels. (How did I know because my friend took photos and showed them to me). She was a sexy girl that made guys stop to feast their eyes on her. She was hot!

Getting back to the story, my friend asked her if she had any bookings later and she said no. They had their dinner and of course he paid for her and then they moved onto the cinema. Then the calls started coming from her boss at the commencement of the movie. She then told my friend she had to go to World Square because her boss had some customers who were having a huge party and wanted a few girls to celebrate with them. She got up and left him alone to watch the movie. He couldn't believe what had happened and felt really angry.

Later that night, she called him to say that the party turned out to be one huge orgy. She felt really bad that she had taken this job. My friend didn't care after that. For him, she was nothing and not a friend. After all the promises she made to him and that she would be spending time with him only and no one else, she couldn't even manage to do this for him. The friendship was over after that night.

So there you have it guys. A true story of a friendship with a WL that went sour because she was more interested in making money than being there for a friend just for one night only.

The thing here is whether the WL is really interested in being a friend or just wanted someone to talk to/complain to/hoping for opinions or some kind words of comfort. I have WLs calling me only when they need help or comfort, but never really interested in what I was doing or my life; them I deleted immediately after noticing a pattern here. When the WL is actually interested in you and your life, chatting about each other, and not fussy about coming out having a meal or 2 or just random meetups, then she's a keeper. Don't forget, WLs are always finding ways to keep your attention towards them

[MS80]

Agree with jk_268. This scenario can easily be viewed as a woman who values work over friendship/love life, and a guy who, regardless of whether he planned to be just a friend or a lover, felt he was not respected.

I can understand that guy’s disappointment with her as it is more of a case about promises being broken.

[cuteguy]

I became what I thought a friend with a Melb based WL. As soon as I quit private WLs we lost touch. Tried to open up the communication line by refollowing on Twitter and commenting etc (my account is now private) but she never refollowed. It was a nice 3 years but in reality we are from different circles.

Well, she had no interest in you besides from a financial point of view. Money talks my friend or as they say 'no money no honey'. :surprise:

The urban dictionary defines 'no money, no honey' as follows:

A spoken expression: In its original and quasi-literal form, used by prostitutes to inform interested men that they have no interest in being chatted-up or smooth talked, that the only way for sex to occur is through cash payment. The word honey is used as a metaphor for the female genitalia.

A non-spoken attitude or mindset: In its modern, derived form, an understanding or implied contract between a man and woman, stating if the man wants sex on a continued, long-term basis, he must then provide money or gifts on a similarly continued, long-term basis in exchange for the sex.

Example 1: Look baby, don't waste my time with all that smooth talk, OK? This is a money game. No money, no honey.

[canscars]

Becoming friends with a WL? you have about 1% successful rate. She makes $2k a day and orgy party, like $5k a night, they want money money and more money. A non paying "male" friend is too expansive for them. Just be friends for 1/2-1 hour when you fuck her, so make as many "friends" as you can, haha.

[Nikaxoxo]

I agree, no money no honey.

[cuteguy]

Becoming friends with a WL? you have about 1% successful rate. She makes $2k a day and orgy party, like $5k a night, they want money money and more money. A non paying "male" friend is too expansive for them. Just be friends for 1/2-1 hour when you fuck her, so make as many "friends" as you can, haha.

One WL told me she wouldn't date or become too friendly with a guy who goes to a brothel because he is paying to have sex with her. They want to keep their work separate from their personal lives.

[RoyalFlush]

My friend was very good friends with an Asian WL until a series of events one night made him decide to defriend her. She was working for an escort agency and kept saying how she wanted to make it up to him because she had always been busy and as friends, they had spent little time together. They would text each other many times and when she was lonely or feeling upset after running into a bad customer, she would chat with my friend who was there for her when she needed some support. Sometimes she would call late in the evening and cry because some customer had mistreated her and her boss didn't care.

The WL called my friend and told him that she would be free one night during the week to have a night together. He knew she was a busy girl because she was in high demand by customers. She promised him that she would spend time with him and there would be no disruptions. He made reservations for dinner at a classy restaurant in the city and later to see a movie at the cinema in George Street. She loved comedy and he chose a late night session to see this particular comedy with her.

The night comes and she calls to say she is running late. My friend was thinking to himself whether she had stood him up especially after she had given him an undertaking that she would be available for him for the entire night and would not be taking any outcall jobs. Well, she decided to work and as a result, she was late for dinner because her boss wanted her to see one of his VIP customers. My friend was disappointed with her late appearance and she appeared 1.5 hours late. She was well dressed and turned up in a fur coat and underneath she was wearing a hot red dress that showed off her nice cleavage (no bra) and sexy curves and high heels. (How did I know because my friend took photos and showed them to me). She was a sexy girl that made guys stop to feast their eyes on her. She was hot!

Getting back to the story, my friend asked her if she had any bookings later and she said no. They had their dinner and of course he paid for her and then they moved onto the cinema. Then the calls started coming from her boss at the commencement of the movie. She then told my friend she had to go to World Square because her boss had some customers who were having a huge party and wanted a few girls to celebrate with them. She got up and left him alone to watch the movie. He couldn't believe what had happened and felt really angry.

Later that night, she called him to say that the party turned out to be one huge orgy. She felt really bad that she had taken this job. My friend didn't care after that. For him, she was nothing and not a friend. After all the promises she made to him and that she would be spending time with him only and no one else, she couldn't even manage to do this for him. The friendship was over after that night.

So there you have it guys. A true story of a friendship with a WL that went sour because she was more interested in making money than being there for a friend just for one night only.


The mistake here is your friend didn't offer to take her home as his lover after the dinner. He went on to waste more of her time by asking to go to the movies. She was dressed to the nines and gave strong impression to him (by dressing sexily) that she wants more than just dinner and movies. It's your friend's fault for not closing the deal quick enough. I reckon if he asked her to go back home, keep persisting through her reluctance, she will give in. At this point, whatever plans she had for the rest of the night is irrelevant.
Sometimes I had to pull over my car and continue to convince my girl before she agreed to stay overnight with me. We just got to break that barrier.

[cuteguy]

The mistake here is your friend didn't offer to take her home as his lover after the dinner. He went on to waste more of her time by asking to go to the movies. She was dressed to the nines and gave strong impression to him (by dressing sexily) that she wants more than just dinner and movies. It's your friend's fault for not closing the deal quick enough. I reckon if he asked her to go back home, keep persisting through her reluctance, she will give in. At this point, whatever plans she had for the rest of the night is irrelevant.
Sometimes I had to pull over my car and continue to convince my girl before she agreed to stay overnight with me. We just got to break that barrier.

She was dressed in a hot dress and fur coat because she was working and seeing clients that were paying large sums of money to see her. She was not dressed for my friend because she went straight from her outcall job to the restaurant where my friend was meeting her for dinner. She was whinging how she had little time to go out and this is why my friend planned the night with a visit to the cinema. He didn't see her as a WL but as a friend. This is what he told me. However, she let him down by the way she gave priority to her work over her friendship with him.

[CunningLinguist]

So is your friend really you :)

[cuteguy]

So is your friend really you :)

No CunningLinguist.

[CunningLinguist]

No CunningLinguist.

Ok. How did your friend meet this WL in the first place ?

[RoyalFlush]

From having sexual relationship before to becoming just friends is not progress, it's going backwards. What's after just friends then, shopping buddies? then taking bags for the girl? Giving free money for nothing?
Being friends with girls is the lamest thing to do.

[daveo123]

Anything goes out there. I've met a Korean WL who actually married a punter, but this rare as hen's teeth.

[cuteguy]

Ok. How did your friend meet this WL in the first place ?

It's not relevant how he met her because he knew she was a WL and had stated how she would openly discuss her working life and stories with him. The reason why he wanted to be friends with this girl was because he felt sorry for her after what she had revealed to him about her life. She had a really sad life as a child and teenager before starting work as a WL.

She grew up with her Chinese father only (I don't remember what my friend said about her mother). She hated her father because he ran the household as if he was in the military and was overprotective and psycho. She had a real fear of him. Sometimes she would run away from him but eventually she had to return home because she had nowhere to go. When she turned 18 years of age, she left him and without any money went to a brothel where they took her in without asking for any details. She was a virgin and lost her virginity to the first customer at this shop. She cried when she did it for the first time but she stayed on and the job toughened her up to look out for herself. After renting for some time, she had enough money to buy an apartment. I think my friend also mentioned that she went to university or TAFE to complete some studies while still working as an escort. The job as an escort allowed her to move between cities like Sydney and Melbourne because of the agency's contacts. She tended to keep to herself and had few close friends. One of them was my friend.

I have read some of the comments here with some guys believing that my friend wanted to have sex with her that night. I will never know what his true intentions were but there are people out there who have empathy for others. They want to help people in some way. He told me that he just wanted to see her and touch bases with her only. There was no thought of having sex with her. As for the photos of her, they were not taken secretly. My friend asked a waiter to take a few photos of them together at the dinner table. In addition, my friend didn't send them to me but showed the photos when I caught up with him for drinks. This took place many years ago.

[mcjesus]

It's not relevant how he met her because he knew she was a WL and had stated how she would openly discuss her working life and stories with him. The reason why he wanted to be friends with this girl was because he felt sorry for her after what she had revealed to him about her life. She had a really sad life as a child and teenager before starting work as a WL.

She grew up with her Chinese father only (I don't remember what my friend said about her mother). She hated her father because he ran the household as if he was in the military and was overprotective and psycho. She had a real fear of him. Sometimes she would run away from him but eventually she had to return home because she had nowhere to go. When she turned 18 years of age, she left him and without any money went to a brothel where they took her in without asking for any details. She was a virgin and lost her virginity to the first customer at this shop. She cried when she did it for the first time but she stayed on and the job toughened her up to look out for herself. After renting for some time, she had enough money to buy an apartment. I think my friend also mentioned that she went to university or TAFE to complete some studies while still working as an escort. The job as an escort allowed her to move between cities like Sydney and Melbourne because of the agency's contacts. She tended to keep to herself and had few close friends. One of them was my friend.

I have read some of the comments here with some guys believing that my friend wanted to have sex with her that night. I will never know what his true intentions were but there are people out there who have empathy for others. They want to help people in some way. He told me that he just wanted to see her and touch bases with her only. There was no thought of having sex with her. As for the photos of her, they were not taken secretly. My friend asked a waiter to take a few photos of them together at the dinner table. In addition, my friend didn't send them to me but showed the photos when I caught up with him for drinks. This took place many years ago.

dont believe any of her shit.

[MS80]

dont believe any of her shit.

To give her the benefit of doubt, (sadly I still have faith in people) MAYBE she doesn’t really understand herself and genuinely believed what she said to that guy. And then when the calls come in, she does the opposite of what she’s been saying, but not because she was lying before.

But at the end of the day, at least that guy has now gained a better understanding about that lady and will not waste further time and effort in maintaining that friendship.

[penisuheddo]

Arigato
No money no honey
It is the truth for all women
But earning power for working lady makes it emphasis
Yes

[Raybo]

i would consider myself 'friends' with a few MLs and WLs. It really isn't much different to becoming friends with a regular person. You become friends with someone because you might share common interests, have interesting conversation or become comfortable sharing information about yourself that you may not want to share with people in general. You develop trust.

i do however find that this can be detrimental to your punting with that particular WL. I had one that would tell me about her issues in her relationship with her boyfriend. On one hand, it is nice that she can trust you with sharing this information. The issues she had were around the strain caused because of the work she does and how he struggles to deal with it mentally and emotionally. I have gotten to the stage with this girl where i am more than happy to maintain a friendship l but don't really want to go see her anymore. Her boyfriend knows about some of her customers but she has never told him about me. She said she wouldn't dare to.

I told her a little while ago that i wouldn't be visiting her anymore. She wasn't happy about it but the friendship has seemingly become more important than the pussy. i just don't want to be the guy causing her boyfriend the anguish he is experiencing.

[Sydreader2017]

if u are single, you can afford it
if u are partnered, the relationship is going no where,dont start it for any reason...better move on for more happy time

[kangheejeong]

I would not recommend being friends with wl cos most of them are not in a good place in their lives for any kind of healthy relationship. Most are depressed and do not have self love and respect. Unless you want to be dragged down to their level, it is best to treat them as one hour fuck buddies and not get too close.

Selling your body for money speaks of low self love and respect. Even sluts have higher standards and don't let any random man sleep with them. That's why people have a dim view of prostitution. Making love with someone who you do not love or have an aversion for is painful. Working ladies know it but they continue to suffer this hurt and pain cos they don't love themselves. They do it for money.

Many wl are emotionally messed up and damaged. Most come from broken or divorced families where their dad where hardly present in their lives. They do not have a male figure to love them and give love to. Their parent may constantly quarrel with each other and they feel no love or warmth at home. Some may be victims of sexual abuse by their father.

Let's take Jerry (Christmas) as an example. As mentioned on her blog, her parents divorced because her mon cheated on her dad. She suffers from a lack of attention and confused parental guidance. Her subconscious pursuit of men derives from an attempt to overcome her feelings of isolation and inadequacy. She starts by dating a few guys hoping to find one as good as his father but tire and end up being addicted to sex and attention. Her sensuality gives her power over men. Each men she has sex with validates her shallow self-esteem and existence. Because her father was hardly ever there for her, she feels invisible unless she is entertaining and impressing other people. Her greatest fear is being unattractive, boring or ignored. Without people fawning over her, she feels powerless. Her lack of self love also manifests as smoking, tattoos and piercing.

Her friend Victoria (M5) also known as Miranda (Kyoto) is less fortunate. Her father passed away when she was young and she has to work to support her mom as her brother has his own family to take care of. (I am sharing personal information since Jerry said that Victoria/Miranda is no longer working in Sydney.) Jerry was once upset with Victoria because she went to Kyoto without informing Jerry. After all the hard work Jerry put in to bring Victoria to Sydney and help her settle here, she felt deceived that Victoria just left like that. Truth is Victoria never had a fatherly figure give her such support. Victoria also don't know how to show appreciation for such support and has feelings of being unworthy.

Worse Victoria cheated my feeling. We never dated outside. She was having relationship problems back in Korea so she decided to use me a backup or emotional blanket while she was here. I was never interested in her at first but allowed myself to be seduced by her. I fell in love after she showed me her skydiving video. I thought she was sincere, genuine, sweet, soft and submissive type of girl who would make a good long term relationship material but I slowly discovered that she is an emotional train wreck inside. I was hurt when I found out that she had another lover in Korea. But her lover was unavailable, married to or dating another girl. Her lover promised to leave his girlfriend or wife for her but she knows he is lying. He just wants her as a backup. Fatherless daughters always look for men who are emotionally unavailable and replicate their father's abandonment.


Take my advice.Working ladies are in general emotionally unhealthy. If you are looking for a relationship, it is best to choose a girl who is emotionally secure and comes form a good family, one who has a good job and leads a fulfilling and healthy life, respect herself and you and one who keeps herself in good shape. Working ladies are the last people you ever want to have a relationship with.

[Babaekid]

Don't recommend

[Babaekid]

I would not recommend being friends with wl cos most of them are not in a good place in their lives for any kind of healthy relationship. Most are depressed and do not have self love and respect. Unless you want to be dragged down to their level, it is best to treat them as one hour fuck buddies and not get too close.

Selling your body for money speaks of low self love and respect. Even sluts have higher standards and don't let any random man sleep with them. That's why people have a dim view of prostitution. Making love with someone who you do not love or have an aversion for is painful. Working ladies know it but they continue to suffer this hurt and pain cos they don't love themselves. They do it for money.

Many wl are emotionally messed up and damaged. Most come from broken or divorced families where their dad where hardly present in their lives. They do not have a male figure to love them and give love to. Their parent may constantly quarrel with each other and they feel no love or warmth at home. Some may be victims of sexual abuse by their father.

Let's take Jerry (Christmas) as an example. As mentioned on her blog, her parents divorced because her mon cheated on her dad. She suffers from a lack of attention and confused parental guidance. Her subconscious pursuit of men derives from an attempt to overcome her feelings of isolation and inadequacy. She starts by dating a few guys hoping to find one as good as his father but tire and end up being addicted to sex and attention. Her sensuality gives her power over men. Each men she has sex with validates her shallow self-esteem and existence. Because her father was hardly ever there for her, she feels invisible unless she is entertaining and impressing other people. Her greatest fear is being unattractive, boring or ignored. Without people fawning over her, she feels powerless. Her lack of self love also manifests as smoking, tattoos and piercing.

Her friend Victoria (M5) also known as Miranda (Kyoto) is less fortunate. Her father passed away when she was young and she has to work to support her mom as her brother has his own family to take care of. (I am sharing personal information since Jerry said that Victoria/Miranda is no longer working in Sydney.) Jerry was once upset with Victoria because she went to Kyoto without informing Jerry. After all the hard work Jerry put in to bring Victoria to Sydney and help her settle here, she felt deceived that Victoria just left like that. Truth is Victoria never had a fatherly figure give her such support. Victoria also don't know how to show appreciation for such support and has feelings of being unworthy.

Worse Victoria cheated my feeling. We never dated outside. She was having relationship problems back in Korea so she decided to use me a backup or emotional blanket while she was here. I was never interested in her at first but allowed myself to be seduced by her. I fell in love after she showed me her skydiving video. I thought she was sincere, genuine, sweet, soft and submissive type of girl who would make a good long term relationship material but I slowly discovered that she is an emotional train wreck inside. I was hurt when I found out that she had another lover in Korea. But her lover was unavailable, married to or dating another girl. Her lover promised to leave his girlfriend or wife for her but she knows he is lying. He just wants her as a backup. Fatherless daughters always look for men who are emotionally unavailable and replicate their father's abandonment.


Take my advice.Working ladies are in general emotionally unhealthy. If you are looking for a relationship, it is best to choose a girl who is emotionally secure and comes form a good family, one who has a good job and leads a fulfilling and healthy life, respect herself and you and one who keeps herself in good shape. Working ladies are the last people you ever want to have a relationship with.

[mcjesus]

I would not recommend being friends with wl cos most of them are not in a good place in their lives for any kind of healthy relationship. Most are depressed and do not have self love and respect. Unless you want to be dragged down to their level, it is best to treat them as one hour fuck buddies and not get too close.

Selling your body for money speaks of low self love and respect. Even sluts have higher standards and don't let any random man sleep with them. That's why people have a dim view of prostitution. Making love with someone who you do not love or have an aversion for is painful. Working ladies know it but they continue to suffer this hurt and pain cos they don't love themselves. They do it for money.

Many wl are emotionally messed up and damaged. Most come from broken or divorced families where their dad where hardly present in their lives. They do not have a male figure to love them and give love to. Their parent may constantly quarrel with each other and they feel no love or warmth at home. Some may be victims of sexual abuse by their father.

Let's take Jerry (Christmas) as an example. As mentioned on her blog, her parents divorced because her mon cheated on her dad. She suffers from a lack of attention and confused parental guidance. Her subconscious pursuit of men derives from an attempt to overcome her feelings of isolation and inadequacy. She starts by dating a few guys hoping to find one as good as his father but tire and end up being addicted to sex and attention. Her sensuality gives her power over men. Each men she has sex with validates her shallow self-esteem and existence. Because her father was hardly ever there for her, she feels invisible unless she is entertaining and impressing other people. Her greatest fear is being unattractive, boring or ignored. Without people fawning over her, she feels powerless. Her lack of self love also manifests as smoking, tattoos and piercing.

Her friend Victoria (M5) also known as Miranda (Kyoto) is less fortunate. Her father passed away when she was young and she has to work to support her mom as her brother has his own family to take care of. (I am sharing personal information since Jerry said that Victoria/Miranda is no longer working in Sydney.) Jerry was once upset with Victoria because she went to Kyoto without informing Jerry. After all the hard work Jerry put in to bring Victoria to Sydney and help her settle here, she felt deceived that Victoria just left like that. Truth is Victoria never had a fatherly figure give her such support. Victoria also don't know how to show appreciation for such support and has feelings of being unworthy.

Worse Victoria cheated my feeling. We never dated outside. She was having relationship problems back in Korea so she decided to use me a backup or emotional blanket while she was here. I was never interested in her at first but allowed myself to be seduced by her. I fell in love after she showed me her skydiving video. I thought she was sincere, genuine, sweet, soft and submissive type of girl who would make a good long term relationship material but I slowly discovered that she is an emotional train wreck inside. I was hurt when I found out that she had another lover in Korea. But her lover was unavailable, married to or dating another girl. Her lover promised to leave his girlfriend or wife for her but she knows he is lying. He just wants her as a backup. Fatherless daughters always look for men who are emotionally unavailable and replicate their father's abandonment.


Take my advice.Working ladies are in general emotionally unhealthy. If you are looking for a relationship, it is best to choose a girl who is emotionally secure and comes form a good family, one who has a good job and leads a fulfilling and healthy life, respect herself and you and one who keeps herself in good shape. Working ladies are the last people you ever want to have a relationship with.

thanks for sharing.
god bless you.

[f6tornado]

Just don't do it. It will always turn out bad. If you can't stop yourself, at least retain the fake name, occupation and address and go half and half with expenses.

[Guymartin420]

I’m not being judgmental or issuing a blanket statement. Most of these girls have deep scars from early childhood. Lack of a father figure, abandonment issues, childhood sexual abuse, trust issues, etc, which results in low self esteem, need for constant attention etc.

I will share my story sometime (it needs too much typing 😀) - I once got involved with a young ML who had abandonment issues and once she got really attached to me, I found it so exhausting. She needed constant attention and validation all the time. Eventually we broke up (she’s now married and is expecting a child soon).

Most guys feel they need to save these girls. They feel they can look after them and eventually make them normal. I’m not saying it’s not doable. It is. However, understand that it comes from deep childhood issues within yourself. It is called co-dependency.

The best sex in our life is not the best life partner. You need an adult to adult relationship for it to survive long term. Most of the relationships with these girls end up either adult to child or child to child relationships which won’t survive at crucial crunch times .

I find that being friends with ML or WL adds that extra bit of oomph into sex. That’s where I would stop. No further.

[mankind]

"If you are looking for a relationship, it is best to choose a girl who is emotionally secure and comes form a good family, one who has a good job and leads a fulfilling and healthy life, respect herself and you and one who keeps herself in good shape."

Yes, we all know that but why people just keep falling in love with the WL and then some got cheated and hurt, why not falling in love with normal girl above? If the WL's are not beautiful, pretty or attractive, would you fall in love with them. Of course not! So it is men problem. They know that it's not an ideal to find and have a serious relationship with the WL particularly when they are still working, but they still jump in like a moth into a flame, OH Well.
Not all WLs are like Jerry and Victoria, there are bad and good WL, the same as we punters.
Sex Seller and Sex Buyer, they all have their own problem. That why they need each other.
:cry:
I always respect those WL's who fulfill my needs.
So, if you really want to have a relationship with the WL's, come to the shop, become their regular and wait until they retire then propose to them, if they really love you, marry them have children and enjoy your life!:shout: Life is too short to worry, in the end we all become ashes. But wait, it's much safer to propose to the normal girl eventhough she's a bit boring and average looking. Well it's your choice. My two cents!

[Momoe]

"If you are looking for a relationship, it is best to choose a girl who is emotionally secure and comes form a good family, one who has a good job and leads a fulfilling and healthy life, respect herself and you and one who keeps herself in good shape."

Yes, we all know that but why people just keep falling in love with the WL and then some got cheated and hurt, why not falling in love with normal girl above? If the WL's are not beautiful, pretty or attractive, would you fall in love with them. Of course not! So it is men problem. They know that it's not an ideal to find and have a serious relationship with the WL particularly when they are still working, but they still jump in like a moth into a flame, OH Well.
Not all WLs are like Jerry and Victoria, there are bad and good WL, the same as we punters.
Sex Seller and Sex Buyer, they all have their own problem. That why they need each other.
:cry:
I always respect those WL's who fulfill my needs.
So, if you really want to have a relationship with the WL's, come to the shop, become their regular and wait until they retire then propose to them, if they really love you, marry them have children and enjoy your life!:shout: Life is too short to worry, in the end we all become ashes. But wait, it's much safer to propose to the normal girl eventhough she's a bit boring and average looking. Well it's your choice. My two cents!

Because those girls know how to attract and keep you, while normal girls just do normal things, especially in the bed aspect

[Momoe]

Also, i don't understand why people thought that WLs typically have some sort of mental/life issues and resort to prostitution. Some WLs i know came from pretty normal, decent or even well off family, some are not even in for the money. The way some guys here thinking that prostitutes are some low level humans just because they either had bad experiences with them or never got their way with them is just disgusting. They are girls, treat them like a gentleman. If you get cheated by them, its your fault for being naive.

[wilisno]

Also, i don't understand why people thought that WLs typically have some sort of mental/life issues and resort to prostitution. Some WLs i know came from pretty normal, decent or even well off family, some are not even in for the money. The way some guys here thinking that prostitutes are some low level humans just because they either had bad experiences with them or never got their way with them is just disgusting. They are girls, treat them like a gentleman. If you get cheated by them, its your fault for being naive.

Excellent comments, that’s exactly what it is ! Except one point I don’t agree with : “ Treat them like a gentleman.” My take is : “ Treat them like ladies !” ;) ;) ;)

I know some girls who are from very rich background. ;) ;) ;)

[loco_loser]

No, no, no...Very bad idea...
Did it for 12 months, she always had some drama in her life but never cared to know or learn anything about me
We fucked a few times outside of her work but it wasn't as much fun & she was more excited & interested in shopping than fucking . So I've been fucking many girls at different shops to make up for lost time

[Climax598]

The moral of the story is we guys are not that innocent ourselves. We go and visit a prostitute. What do the wl think of us. 2 wl have told they don't trust men because of what they have seen
Just don't judge them we don't know the full reasons why they work as wl. Just be careful and don't get too emotional with them. Go and have fun with them and be respectful and nice.

[toysrus]

I would not recommend being friends with wl cos most of them are not in a good place in their lives for any kind of healthy relationship. Most are depressed and do not have self love and respect. Unless you want to be dragged down to their level, it is best to treat them as one hour fuck buddies and not get too close.

Selling your body for money speaks of low self love and respect. Even sluts have higher standards and don't let any random man sleep with them. That's why people have a dim view of prostitution. Making love with someone who you do not love or have an aversion for is painful. Working ladies know it but they continue to suffer this hurt and pain cos they don't love themselves. They do it for money.

Many wl are emotionally messed up and damaged. Most come from broken or divorced families where their dad where hardly present in their lives. They do not have a male figure to love them and give love to. Their parent may constantly quarrel with each other and they feel no love or warmth at home. Some may be victims of sexual abuse by their father.


In my experience many girls have unique and diverse stories and not all fit into the stereotypical "messed up in the head" mold. I have found Asian working girls are a lot more likely to be normal than western girls that grew up here. Asian countries don't have welfare systems and families are pretty much on their own to be self sufficient and therefor have strong family support structures. This is why Asians are always so focused on money and being entrepreneurial, its a competitive society.

I have met girls who were living normal adult lives with a loving family when the father suddenly tragically passed away, the father being the bread winner. I know of girls who's families business failed and incurred debt, some have normal families that are just poor, the parents might be aging and the girls had to step up and support and send money back. Some of these girls are extremely mentally strong to be able to put up with the BS that's thrown at them and still making a plan for the future.

If you grow up during your formative years in a normal stable environment its very unlikely you going to be mentally broken or have deep underlying emotional issues, most of your brain development happens when you are a child. Sure they may be temporarily depressed and very likely not happy with the current situation, of course the job may take its toll if they stay in it for too many years. Some will just see this job as a means to fix the issues or maybe there is no issues and they just want to gain financial independence while they young and good looking. You see it a lot with Chinese girls, work, make money, buy a house, it's just a means to an end.

This is not worse than sluts banging random dudes they met at night clubs for a one night stand, at least WG are being entrepreneurial, in my experience sluts are way more messed up in the head.

[CunningLinguist]

The moral of the story is we guys are not that innocent ourselves. We go and visit a prostitute. What do the wl think of us. 2 wl have told they don't trust men because of what they have seen
Just don't judge them we don't know the full reasons why they work as wl. Just be careful and don't get too emotional with them. Go and have fun with them and be respectful and nice.

Have you forgotten this is a sex forum...

This is a classic: 2 wl have told they don't trust men because of what they have seen

[cuteguy]

Not all WLs are from broken families, have drug, alcohol or mental health issues or have been subjected to sexual and physical abuse at the hands of family members. Many WLs these days are on student visas because they can't afford to pay their college fees by working in a restaurant and need to send money home to their families overseas. There are other WLs who are single mums who receive Centrelink payments but still require more money to supplement their household incomes. Therefore, there are other reasons why women work as prostitutes.

[flukeman1]

Damn post longer than war n peace lol

[sukeong]

I would not recommend being friends with wl cos most of them are not in a good place in their lives for any kind of healthy relationship. .......Working ladies are the last people you ever want to have a relationship with.

Wow bro there is alot of details here to just be a cooked up story. Cheers for the lesson. I think wls thst are unstable and from broken backgrounds are there but not the majority. Certainly not as much as in the porn industry. Most just want the cash and know the boundaries. True though there are some with alot of issues but many normal girls do too. Just that with wl they are intimate with so many Horny and lovelorn men it gets more complicated than normal girls. I know this wl with the typical daddy issue that it was why she got into the work and later on affected her love life too.

Just curious whats your take on MLs. I have been around them more than WLs and ML seem to be just as messed up or more in comparison. I know this former ml turned mamasan who had a regular bf but still cheats on him with a old regular/sugar daddy.

[Dak2000]

I think Mr Cuteguy’s friend and maybe some others are a bit hard on the WL here. Assuming they genuinely wanted friendship and nothing further (which I’m finding hard to believe) consider this scenario.

I’m out with my tradie plumber mate, he owes me a couple beers and after a couple false starts we’re out and he’s paying. His phone rings, someone’s shitter is overflowing, he says to them at this time of the evening it’s $300 an hour, minimum 2hr plus travel. Customer says yes come now I’m paying cash.

Well shit happens (boom tish), it’s their job, good coin to be made, we’ll catch up later...

I think gents worried about being friends with a WL having a hard time keeping it plutonic. Or in the friend zone as young folks call it.

[loco_loser]

Never trust someone who fucks you for money

It's that simple

[traveller1]

Wow bro there is alot of details here to just be a cooked up story. Cheers for the lesson. I think wls thst are unstable and from broken backgrounds are there but not the majority. Certainly not as much as in the porn industry. Most just want the cash and know the boundaries. True though there are some with alot of issues but many normal girls do too. Just that with wl they are intimate with so many Horny and lovelorn men it gets more complicated than normal girls. I know this wl with the typical daddy issue that it was why she got into the work and later on affected her love life too.

Just curious whats your take on MLs. I have been around them more than WLs and ML seem to be just as messed up or more in comparison. I know this former ml turned mamasan who had a regular bf but still cheats on him with a old regular/sugar daddy.

I have similar experience with another ML, she was cheating on her BF because she was trying to use her BF to get a PR. I can't give her PR but I am more fun to hangout with.

[cuteguy]

Never trust someone who fucks you for money

It's that simple

You forgot another thing. Never trust someone who has many men (customers) around her.

[Momoe]

Never trust someone who fucks you for money

It's that simple
Guys can't trust girls that fucks for money

Girls can't trust guys that use money to fuck

Do you see the irony?

So much laugh with punters on moral high ground here

[Climax598]

Guys can't trust girls that fucks for money

Girls can't trust guys that use money to fuck

Do you see the irony?

So much laugh with punters on moral high ground here
Very true. One wl told me that she can't trust men after working in this industry. I say we guys feel the same about wl too. She was surprised.

[fairy]

Found that girls who work a lot are different to girls that do one or two shifts a week. The part timers are more normal. Was really flattered when i dated some wls. Thought youve seen the scum of mankind and you still trust me to go out with me.

[scanboy]

I’ve made lots of friends over the years
I just have pay each time I see them
Hire a friend Lol

[loco_loser]

I’ve made lots of friends over the years
I just have pay each time I see them
Hire a friend Lol

If you have a Thai "girlfriend"
You are still buying her time

No money, no honey

[scanboy]

That is so true
Learnt that very earlier on


If you have a Thai "girlfriend"
You are still buying her time

No money, no honey

[Niceguy11]

Yeah forget it. It starts of great then the friendship ends and that's that. I've a few WL friends but yeah, it's not worth it. I don't care if some guy is fucking her, at the end of the day it's just a friendship. I suppose they care more about making money then bring friends

[mcjesus]

woooo, after reading so many generously shared stories and advices, i must say i am so fking glad that i’m not attractive. so no WLs try to date me. woo hoo.

[mcjesus]

I remembered getting a hot WL’s number. She insisted that I have it so we can hook up outside of work.

We became friends and whenever we go out she would make sure she pays for everything- I guess she is just being a good friend.

Everyone would turn their heads at her and I can see she’s used to it. After meals we usually go to her place to have sex and then share some sob stories because that’s what friends do.

However, after a while she’s wanting to get serious and this is difficult because I can only see her as a friend, yo.

It ended pretty bad and I have to say it’s definitely not worth it.

how could it end pretty bad? doesn’t sound like u invested anything or she knew your address or anything. just say no. what could she do to threat you? ground you?

i guess the moral of the story is always share the cost. dont let them pay everything. as from chinese wisdom, ‘what comes free at first will cost u most in the end’. sry for bad translation.

SCIENTISTS HAVEN’T FOUND A CHEAPER WAY TO SEX THAN PUNTING!

[cuteguy]

I'm interested too. Did she stalk or harass you? Did she leave threatening messages on your phone? What happened? Did she go crazy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd521kE7f0A

[CunningLinguist]

Guys doritos is full of shit, he is just taking the piss with most of his posts ...

[wilisno]

Guys doritos is full of shit, he is just taking the piss with most of his posts ...

Not if he’s living in Bronte.... a rich kid ! ;) ;) ;)

[abovetherim]

woooo, after reading so many generously shared stories and advices, i must say i am so fking glad that i’m not attractive. so no WLs try to date me. woo hoo.

Yay we got one less problem to worry about. Isn’t it great?

[konfuzion]

Yay we got one less problem to worry about. Isn’t it great?

Fat gut don't care if fat wallet this is apply for 80% of women.

[spacekid2002]

I got a frd like that.....still chat with....then whenever i said u just want my money, she said "Dont say that." but she never ask me to visit her.....

Then theres another....who i randomly added on wechag nearby....ended up she was a WL. But she just want to find frds since she got enough customers alrdy...but deleted her after while

[f6tornado]

Absolutely true.

[Maxmanic]

So much sage advice in this thread! Have to agree with most that dating or being friends with WL is always stacked against it being a happy arrangement.
I’ve dated 4 WL’s over my 12 years of punting off an on. Encountered numerous more opportunities for more but I didn’t want it.

Only ONE WL in 12 yrs turned out to be genuine GF material. Sadly she mistakenly overstayed her VISA and couldn’t return for 5 years.

Recent WL I got friendly with outside her work but kept seeing at shop, stopped providing extras (CIM, DATY) with me. She offers to other customers and it’s advertised services.

I get guilt tripped, saying she hates it and If I really cared about her I wouldn’t ask her do it! 🤔
Nah fuck that. Move on.

Each to their own. Good luck!

[Niceguy11]

I saw one of my regular WL's the other night. She messaged me saying if it's cool to grab a lift home after her shift and I said no worries. So went to the shop, had sex and waited for her afterwards. I was waiting in the shop waiting for her to change clothes so I was chatting to the mamasan. After about 10 mins she came out and said let's go. As well were about to leave, the mamasan phone rang and a punter was asking for her. So she had to stay at the shop and we didn't end up leaving together. I basically said good bye and we'll catch up next time.

Now I guess we have been friends outside the shop and have hung out, gone to the movies, had dinner purely as friends. Even though we couldn't leave the shop together, and that I knew another punter would be pounding her pussy in about 30 minutes, I was cool with it because we're only friends, nothing else.

If I had feelings of course it would be different. The point I'm trying to make is that as long as you keep the relationship as friends, then you should be fine. I have had other friendships with WL's that have been ok but turned out shit, but yeah, my regular/friend WL is cool.

[rooter]

Once you have paid money to use a woman's body you have killed any chance of ever having a meaningful genuine relationship with her.
You have crossed a line and there is no going back.
The best you can hope for is some sort of relationship or arrangement based on mutual exploitation.
That is the reality of punting.
Accept it.
But then again relationships based on mutual exploitation are not just confined to relationships with WLs - many traditional marriages are perfect examples of relationships based on mutual exploitation (the husband gets sex, children, cooked meals, ; the wife gets security, status, children and property) so you probably won't be much different to your parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents.
Who the fuck knows anything anymore
Enjoy!

[hornedone]

'Friends who fuck - winner!

[annintofu]

Once you have paid money to use a woman's body you have killed any chance of ever having a meaningful genuine relationship with her.
You have crossed a line and there is no going back.
The best you can hope for is some sort of relationship or arrangement based on mutual exploitation.
That is the reality of punting.
Accept it.
But then again relationships based on mutual exploitation are not just confined to relationships with WLs - many traditional marriages are perfect examples of relationships based on mutual exploitation (the husband gets sex, children, cooked meals, ; the wife gets security, status, children and property) so you probably won't be much different to your parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents.
Who the fuck knows anything anymore
Enjoy!

Couldn't have said better myself.

Besides, (to a man), what is "a meaningful genuine relationship" with a normal lady? (not a sex worker)
I know only two ladies with whom I share great mutual trusts, one I knew from high school the other a college classmate, both are professionals who earn more than me. But are these relationships meaningful? I'm not so sure. On the one hand, I value any genuine friendship, so these are meaningful; but on the other hand both of them are married so I don't dare making any advances to them, so they may as well be male friends which would make things a lot easier.

I recall there was (is?) a long running debate in Japan about if it's possible for a man and woman to be just regular friends, and well over 2/3 thought it impossible and I kinda agree. One of the best answers I read was that "a normal guy has no interest in becoming a friend with an ugly woman, so looks and sex appeal was always an important element in this friendship, there is no such thing as regular male/female friends without consideration of sex"

[Warrabong]

I saw one of my regular WL's the other night. She messaged me saying if it's cool to grab a lift home after her shift and I said no worries. So went to the shop, had sex and waited for her afterwards. I was waiting in the shop waiting for her to change clothes so I was chatting to the mamasan. After about 10 mins she came out and said let's go. As well were about to leave, the mamasan phone rang and a punter was asking for her. So she had to stay at the shop and we didn't end up leaving together. I basically said good bye and we'll catch up next time.

Now I guess we have been friends outside the shop and have hung out, gone to the movies, had dinner purely as friends. Even though we couldn't leave the shop together, and that I knew another punter would be pounding her pussy in about 30 minutes, I was cool with it because we're only friends, nothing else.

If I had feelings of course it would be different. The point I'm trying to make is that as long as you keep the relationship as friends, then you should be fine. I have had other friendships with WL's that have been ok but turned out shit, but yeah, my regular/friend WL is cool.

I couldn’t handle that. What a waste of time and emotional drain. Even a friend wouldn’t treat you like that. Maybe if they made it up to you later. Like buying dinner.

[CunningLinguist]

I couldn’t handle that. What a waste of time and emotional drain. Even a friend wouldn’t treat you like that. Maybe if they made it up to you later. Like buying dinner.

I agree, a real friend would not do that to you. I reckon he is in denial ...

[Peterpecker]

Friends with benefits can happen but it is always difficult to achieve. Especially long term. I was on one quite a few years ago. She said if either of us met someone we could call it off. 3 months after no holds barred banging she returned to someone she knew from the past. Rang me. I was okay. That was our arrangement. She seemed a bit shocked. Then six weeks later she re contacted me, was keen again but I wasn’t. Zero emotion. But had moved on.

[Warrabong]

I agree, a real friend would not do that to you. I reckon he is in denial ...

Absolutely. After making the trip the petrol sex should have definitely been on the cards. Not oh sorry I’m going to start working again lol. That’s called being played

[yug]

I agree, a real friend would not do that to you. I reckon he is in denial ...

Yep, it could be denial.

But there are other selfish reasons as well for it.
Some of reasons he might not have even internalized it yet.

1. He is playing a long shot or waiting game hoping for a freebie at some point.
Some people may deny it but the thought is there at the back of their heads.
2. Earning brownie points for that great session where she gives extra attention to him.
There could also be a fantasy element hidden in all this.
3. He wants to bang her outside the shop (paid and at the comfort of his home/hotel).
He will eventually bring it up; just delaying it so that she can trust him.
4. He is afraid he will loose a perfectly good WL who knows all the right buttons to push.
By doing small favors for her, he gets an affirmation that his next session is going to be great.

Again, None of the above is a sure thing.
But the very possibility of it happening excites some people so they don't care about being played on the short run.

[woods23]

Yep, it could be denial.

But there are other selfish reasons as well for it.
Some of reasons he might not have even internalized it yet.

1. He is playing a long shot or waiting game hoping for a freebie at some point.
Some people may deny it but the thought is there at the back of their heads.
2. Earning brownie points for that great session where she gives extra attention to him.
There could also be a fantasy element hidden in all this.
3. He wants to bang her outside the shop (paid and at the comfort of his home/hotel).
He will eventually bring it up; just delaying it so that she can trust him.
4. He is afraid he will loose a perfectly good WL who knows all the right buttons to push.
By doing small favors for her, he gets an affirmation that his next session is going to be great.

Again, None of the above is a sure thing.
But the very possibility of it happening excites some people so they don't care about being played on the short run.

Like like like. It's there anything this man doesn't know ?

[Lostinblonde]

same situation here fell into a ML but i doubt it will end well go figure