LETS HOPE IT IS NOT TRUE

[trampslikeus55]

Hi all. Thought I would post this for future discussion and as the title states, I hope this is not true. Those of us that are closes to Chinese WL need to be alert for what is possibly coming down the road. It appears that the PRC is about to retaliate in a very different way to what would normally be anticipated. We have 2 rumours at present. Firstly, any citizen who applies for residency in a foreign country will automatically lose their Chinese passport. And secondly, there will be a form of census in China in November this year and any citizen that is not currently residing in China will lose their Identification number. This will leave them in a precarious position if they try to return to China. These rumours are currently circulating on WeChat. Not sure of the truth of either and in reality I think our government will be the last to know. Technically, other than us punters, I would guess that our government would not really care. The residency issue is probably more minor, although serious to those in that position but the second rumour could see a mass exit back home of WL. And not much chance of getting back with Visa issues and Co-Vid lockouts. Hope I am wrong :cry::cry:

[holi_day]

These are true, not rumours, but not new either.

Chinese government do not allow dual citizenship. If you obtain other countries citizenship, you automatically lost your Chinese citizenship.

The upcoming census will remove the Hukou of those living overseas long time and have resistance. Not the ID. Hukou is what the Chinese government allow local resources. E.g.education, medical care, eligibility of buying properties etc. If you don't live there, doesn't have material impact anyway.

[trampslikeus55]

Thanks for clarification on part. The dual citizenship was not in question. The rumour is they will have their passports cancelled. There is a belief that they will not be allowed back into China fullstop.

[hornedone]

in that case I'm sure we'll still have plenty of Koreans, Hongkonese, Taiwanese and Japs to service us like Kings.

[9mixtress]

Thanks for clarification on part. The dual citizenship was not in question. The rumour is they will have their passports cancelled. There is a belief that they will not be allowed back into China fullstop.

If they apply for foreign citizenship, they have to declare it in China, their Chinese citizenship gets revoked, and their passport is automatically cancelled. From then on if they want to visit China, they 'should' be treated like any other foreigner and need to apply for a visa of some sort. Whether the Chinese are going to start denying visas to former Chinese citizens is the question.

I doubt it as many Chinese have settled abroad and continue to invest in their motherland, send money to their family, and visit the country.

[Carissawhore]

If Chinese government does this, they would loose a lot of citizens and looking at what China does to people this does not come as surprise to me, look what they are doing to Hong Kong, Taiwan and not to mention rest of the world by spreading Covid to world, i would say Chine has always been cancer to the world, it will never change until they get good leader and get rid of Wine the Poo and CCP.

[God Member]

I am so sad for Hong Kong. :sweat: When you are used to freedom since the birth of the city it is like Sydney being taken over buy the CCP. Just think for a moment to wake up tomorrow and that has happened. That is what has happened to Hong Kong.

[Jaygee]

Yep - the situation is not good at all

[hornedone]

Hongkonese should revolt

[quackm2002]

Anyone with any common sense could see this happening. They already won when the HK government acquiesced on the law and should have walked away then but the protestors then started demanding things like independence which were never going to happen. They demonstrations then started becoming more and more violent and from there, it was obvious what was going to happen. They bought this on themselves. They can live with the consequences of their actions now.

[liminal]

Oh dear

Who has been using TIK TOK ?

[rooter]

Good to hear we are letting more Hong Kongers into Australia.
Hopefully we will let even more in than the initial Australian Government programme.
These are exactly the type of people we need in Australia.
They will make a great contribution to Australia socially, economically, and culturally.

[Mustang550]

And what exactly they doing to Taiwan hongkong ?

[Mustang550]

If Chinese government does this, they would loose a lot of citizens and looking at what China does to people this does not come as surprise to me, look what they are doing to Hong Kong, Taiwan and not to mention rest of the world by spreading Covid to world, i would say Chine has always been cancer to the world, it will never change until they get good leader and get rid of Wine the Poo and CCP.

What exactly are they doing to Taiwan and Hong Kong ?

[holi_day]

I am a bit lost. What exactly is Chinese government doing wrong to their oversea citizens?

[harrypotter1983]

Wow, what’s China gov doing to HK/Taiwan and the rest of world?

[sukeong]

I am a bit lost. What exactly is Chinese government doing wrong to their oversea citizens?

China bashers just trolling. I wouldn't worry about it. This thread basically just dumb rumors with no evidence

[smiling wide]

Good to hear we are letting more Hong Kongers into Australia.
Hopefully we will let even more in than the initial Australian Government programme.
These are exactly the type of people we need in Australia.
They will make a great contribution to Australia socially, economically, and culturally.I second this. I'll keep my thoughts to myself about the Chinese Communist Party in case I need to visit HK in the future. I would hate to be detained over there due to a comment posted here. The threat is real as STDs.

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[rooter]

I second this. I'll keep my thoughts to myself about the Chinese Communist Party in case I need to visit HK in the future. I would hate to be detained over there due to a comment posted here. The threat is real as STDs.

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I am not anti China.
They need our coal and iron, we need their manufactured goods.
Business is business.
They have their system, we have our system.

[harrypotter1983]

Some dumb people just posted these dumb/uneducated comments on China government without evidence, and just mislead by these stupid media as they always do in past decades.
This thread is noting to do with it, let’s keep it simple.

Each country has its own rules/system and ect which must be the most appropriate one for them.

[moz]

Isn't it simply that China has 'tolerated' citizens having a 2nd passport, even though it's technically illegal (same as in many Asian countries).

I mean pretty obvious person leaves China for 6 months on a direct flight to Australia, then comes back directly 6 months later yet don't have an Australian visa in their Chinese passport.

[holi_day]

Isn't it simply that China has 'tolerated' citizens having a 2nd passport, even though it's technically illegal (same as in many Asian countries).

I mean pretty obvious person leaves China for 6 months on a direct flight to Australia, then comes back directly 6 months later yet don't have an Australian visa in their Chinese passport.

China do not tolerate 2nd passport. The scenario you described is not possible. If you are a Chinese passport holder and you are using it to travel to or from china, you can't get through their immigration to leave the country unless you have a valid visa and air ticket to the destination country.

[Climax598]

Isn't it simply that China has 'tolerated' citizens having a 2nd passport, even though it's technically illegal (same as in many Asian countries).

I mean pretty obvious person leaves China for 6 months on a direct flight to Australia, then comes back directly 6 months later yet don't have an Australian visa in their Chinese passport.
Who tell you no Oz visa on their Chinese passport. My regular WL Tells me she need a OZ visa to come to Aust. With tourist visa is 3 months.

[hornedone]

they need our coal and oil
we need their pussy
free trade

[ausnnbuster]

they need our coal and oil
we need their pussy
free trade

dude Australia imports almost all of its oil

[James_jones]

Firstly, any citizen who applies for residency in a foreign country will automatically lose their Chinese passport.
This will not happen because other countries are not going to pass on information to China of their new citizens. The Chinese citizenship is between China and the (now ex) Chinese citizen.


And secondly, there will be a form of census in China in November this year and any citizen that is not currently residing in China will lose their Identification number.
This is very wishy washy. "Not residing in China" does not mean they have citizenship elsewhere. They are unlikely to lose their ID number. What I could envision occurring is their hukou address being unregistered, forcing them to reregister when they are back in the country. Beyond that..


although serious to those in that position but the second rumour could see a mass exit back
Unless other countries started sharing information of new citizens while also obtaining sufficient identifying information for another government to identify people nothing will happen and this is usual hand wringing.


If they apply for foreign citizenship, they have to declare it in China, their Chinese citizenship gets revoked, and their passport is automatically cancelled.
No they don't. They are meant to declare it. Many do not. Most do not. Most are quite attached to China.


Isn't it simply that China has 'tolerated' citizens having a 2nd passport, even though it's technically illegal (same as in many Asian countries).
It is not tolerated. Again this goes back to Australia and other normal countries not sharing information of new citizens with foreign governments. If one was to travel to China on their valid Chinese passport after receiving Australian citizenship you travel as Chinese. If you travel on an Australian passport you travel as Australian. There is no way for China to tie these together (wait..) unless the person carries both and tries to use both. In other parts of the world one can travel on multiple passports and enter/leave countries on different passports. For example, if I had UK and Australian passport I could enter the US on my UK passport and leave on my Australian one and noone would care. However in Chinas case you need to enter and leave on the same passport as it contains your visa information (if Australian) and entry/exit stamps if Chinese. If you try to exit without entry stamps on your Chinese passport you will have issues and if you try to enter on your Australian passport without a visa you won't be able to. So you need to use the same passport for entry and exit purposes.

Thus if you have Chinese passport and an Australian passport you can enter and leave on the same passport you are treated as either an Australian citizen in china or as a Chinese citizen in China. There are various reasons to use a Chinese passport to enter China. You skip immigration (mostly) and it is faster to get out of the airport. You do not need to register wither either as hotel or the local police if you are staying with relatives. You are treated as Chinese rather than being treated as a foreigner.

And this is likely why there was drama around Wuhan flights at the start of the pandemic - Australia was trying to help "citizens" who had entered China on their Chinese passports and China was treating these people as Chinese, because in Chinas eyes.. they are.

In short the story that is being circulated sounds like bs.

[moz]

Australia was trying to help "citizens" who had entered China on their Chinese passports and China was treating these people as Chinese, because in Chinas eyes.. they are.

And that's why I said China historically 'tolerates' the dual passport situation.

It would not be hard for the Chinese authorities to determine who might have a 2nd passport even though they are not using it to enter/exit China

[James_jones]

It would not be hard for the Chinese authorities to determine who might have a 2nd passport even though they are not using it to enter/exit China
How would they do that

[wilisno]

How would they do that

Maybe using Daoism techniques ? Just ask a Daoism high priest to close his fingers and calculate, all would be revealed ! ;) ;) ;)

[moz]

How would they do thatDirect flight with no Aus visa or stamp in China passport - pretty obvious

Indirect flights, say to Singapore with only Singapore stamps, but financial records of transferring money to Aus or social media - again pretty obvious

[God Member]

I am not anti China.
They need our coal and iron, we need their manufactured goods.
Business is business.
They have their system, we have our system.

That is the point, we have our system, and they are supposed to have two systems.

Business might be business but conscience is conscience and neither can survive without the other. Twiggy sure needs a lesson in that. We should wean ourselves off China and many countries are starting to wake up to that. That will hit them where it hurts. Covid isn’t the virus infecting China, it’s the CCP. They might claim to be China but they are a piss stain on it.

Forcibly collecting DNA for national surveillance database. (New York Times.)
https://i.postimg.cc/tChxxKt9/Dna.jpg (https://postimg.cc/svgxF0NL)

[James_jones]

Direct flight with no Aus visa or stamp in China passport - pretty obvious

Indirect flights, say to Singapore with only Singapore stamps, but financial records of transferring money to Aus or social media - again pretty obvious

Yawn. None of that is grounds for stripping citizenship. Doing business (money), and having photos on social media. Removal of citizenship is difficult because if counties do it and the person has none.. what do they do? Heh.

[quackm2002]

I am just astounded at how confident some of you are of issues you wouldn’t know squat about.

[woshihuangsedawang]

Brother, i read news everday and from goverment source, i can tell you it's fake news. Thanks.

[DownUnda]

Pooh can go f himself and all the Prc