Ginza....Response

[Labia Vortex]

I wrote a piece about two weeks ago about my disappointment with the Ginza's use of fake photos
It wasn't a nasty piece .Just explaining my position
It was taken down quickly
I received a PM from Ginza indicating that they were still customer focused and would do something about it
Nice that they bothered to respond
Anyone noticed a difference in photos used...?

[Painterdan]

They still use representative photos for some girls, interestingly two girls have the same representative photo.

[didaswiwaw]

Ginza is a business, so as long as they still generate their target revenue I don't think they will change.

And ginza have built their reputation for so long, so even there's some complaint here in this forum most ppl will still go to Ginza as their first choice.

[Labia Vortex]

Ginza is a business, so as long as they still generate their target revenue I don't think they will change.

And ginza have built their reputation for so long, so even there's some complaint here in this forum most ppl will still go to Ginza as their first choice.

Ginza has ceased to be my first choice
Disappointment has led to seek elsewhere with some agreeable results
Why would they need to determine target revenue...?
They would have zero debt and only have to cover fixed costs
They don't have shareholders per se
They don't manufacture or export
The sex industry is based on discretionary expenditure
When an economy tanks high end establishments decline or have need to Improve service and lower prices to remain competitive for the discretionary dollar
Fake photos from a business that generates millions of dollars pa for its owners is not acceptable as the cost/time involved would be minimal

[holi_day]

I had an amazing run at GE whole 2019 til Feb this year's lockdown. Have been seeing quite a lot negative comments since then. I always been a defender for Ginza. Just curious to find out and haven't got a chance as I have been addicted to someone.

Finally popped in 479 one night recently. Did feel the vibe was a little different and a wierd. 10pm was told most girls were busy. Recommended a girl A* who was priced at 260/hr.

Skip the details and some minor disappointments here and there, she refused kissing!! I was even astonished how bluntly she said she didn't like kissing. I scratched my head and it's like the first time a girl rejected kissing in can't remember how many years with Ginza. And she was with the shop for a while.

Then I knew it's no longer the same Ginza as before. I would say this A* was an OK punt if at a 150/hr shop. Glad I only went for 45mins.

[wilisno]

I had an amazing run at GE whole 2019 til Feb this year's lockdown. Have been seeing quite a lot negative comments since then. I always been a defender for Ginza. Just curious to find out and haven't got a chance as I have been addicted to someone.

Finally popped in 479 one night recently. Did feel the vibe was a little different and a wierd. 10pm was told most girls were busy. Recommended a girl A* who was priced at 260/hr.

Skip the details and some minor disappointments here and there, she refused kissing!! I was even astonished how bluntly she said she didn't like kissing. I scratched my head and it's like the first time a girl rejected kissing in can't remember how many years with Ginza. And she was with the shop for a while.

Then I knew it's no longer the same Ginza as before. I would say this A* was an OK punt if at a 150/hr shop. Glad I only went for 45mins.
I think some girls are a bit weary of kissing due to the coronavirus...

[Labia Vortex]

I think some girls are a bit weary of kissing due to the coronavirus...

Yes.understandably so...I would understand if a girl also said no to DATY

[holi_day]

I think some girls are a bit weary of kissing due to the coronavirus...

Appreciate this. But she had a choice not to work if she was weary about any infection. They had the choice to be upfront and tell customers that DFK, DATY, DD etc. all these previous Ginza branded standards were no longer on the manu for any girl. The only thing they were upfront and transparent with was the 260/hr rate.

[DownUnda]

Can confirm that the quality and service has gone down for the past couple of months and yes can confirm that they are using fake pics from chinese forums/blogs.

Ok punts only and they had limited roster B- to be honest.

[wilisno]

Since the coronavirus, I find it harder to get full on DFK these days ! ;) ;) ;)

My idea of full on DFK is when a girl extended her tongue and explored every corner of my mouth. Now most of them only extend their tongues and wrestle with mine outside the mouth, maybe they are thinking tongue contacts outside the mouth is safer ? Haha

[Careverga]

I am sorry to say that after a couple of years of not even exploring other places, post lockdown I had a couple of experiences at 278 that made me look elsewhere. I understand because of travel restrictions they do not have the usual flow of Japanese ladies, but still... My very last punt there was a huge dud. And the use of fake photos is infuriating.

[DanM]

Sad to hear, Ginza has been a favourite for a long time... but I also haven't been for a while.

Despite things possibly changing from the management side, surely our favourite girls are still providing the service they used to?

[dt333]

Does Ginza let you see the girls before choosing or walk away?

[Raybo]

I don't know about this post. You made your point once, got a response directly from the shop, then bring it up again?

I am by no means a regular there but every girl I have seen is the same as the picture. Sure, they might have had their hair done, lost or put on weight, not made up as well as photos etc etc, but it is them.

How much are you paying to be on this forum?

[sporty32]

Business is changing.....the situation is difficult and unfortunately many times some shops apply "cheap marketing" = fake photos = attract customers as flys.

When you show up the girls are not so uggly... and you will never see the girl from the ad of course!

[yug]

Appreciate this. But she had a choice not to work if she was weary about any infection. They had the choice to be upfront and tell customers that DFK, DATY, DD etc. all these previous Ginza branded standards were no longer on the manu for any girl. The only thing they were upfront and transparent with was the 260/hr rate.

By the same token, why couldn't you have asked whether the girl you picked kisses or not?
Plus, I am pretty sure (unlike M5; not bashing on M5 here), Ginza or any other shop never promises you DFK when you choose a Diamond girl.
It's your own assumption that failed you.
Haven't you heard from TV news "We live in an unprecedented time"?...People are trying to put food on the table and stay healthy at the same time.

I went 479 few weeks back. I was going to choose Fei Fei because I found her photos hot.
She has this milfy, slutty quality to her photos.
When I walked in, I asked Liz first but I knew she would be busy so I asked for Fei Fei second.
Tony and Yuki immediately shook heir head saying: We would recommend you choose Lisa; We have had feedback on Fei Fei and it's not all positive.
And I can vouch that Lisa's service was top-notch; DFK'ed her like no tomorrow.

So, I don't know what the fuss is about. I am pretty sure if you ask them, they will tell you who is good.
However, I do agree with some of the punters on photos of some of the Chinese girls being too airbrushed.
That's a genuine complain.

[holi_day]

By the same token, why couldn't you have asked whether the girl you picked kisses or not?
Plus, I am pretty sure (unlike M5; not bashing on M5 here), Ginza or any other shop never promises you DFK when you choose a Diamond girl.
It's your own assumption that failed you.
Haven't you heard from TV news "We live in an unprecedented time"?...People are trying to put food on the table and stay healthy at the same time.


My own assumptions did fail me. I never had to ask anything for so many years, and now I have to run due diligence at Ginza before purchase.

It wasn't my first punt in Sydney. I still struggle to accept the fact that with the diamond price they charge, I have to ask if the girl can do kissing.

I know we all live in an unprecedented time. Punters and WLs all affected. If a WL concerned health and safety and wanted to reduce the level of intimacy, fine just stick to standard service or work in a massage shop, whatever they feel comfortable. Not in a "diamond" shop.

If I were to express compassion towards anyone financially, most of the Ginza girls would be at the bottom of my list. Food and shelter is just a tiny fraction of their expenses.

[Climax598]

My own assumptions did fail me. I never had to ask anything for so many years, and now I have to run due diligence at Ginza before purchase.

It wasn't my first punt in Sydney. I still struggle to accept the fact that with the diamond price they charge, I have to ask if the girl can do kissing.

I know we all live in an unprecedented time. Punters and WLs all affected. If a WL concerned health and safety and wanted to reduce the level of intimacy, fine just stick to standard service or work in a massage shop, whatever they feel comfortable. Not in a "diamond" shop.

If I were to express compassion towards anyone financially, most of the Ginza girls would be at the bottom of my list. Food and shelter is just a tiny fraction of their expenses.
Is just how much the shop and girl can get out of you.

[Painterdan]

Question is whether a representative photo vs a photoshopped photo is preferred. These days most places aren't posting straight photos.

[holi_day]

Is just how much the shop and girl can get out of you.

Which should be determined by how much I can get out of the shop and girl.

[Labia Vortex]

This forum is multi functional.It's a place for providers to advertise.

[Climax598]

Which should be determined by how much I can get out of the shop and girl.
That is call supply and demand we are at the equilibrium that both side are happy.

[Labia Vortex]

I don't know about this post. You made your point once, got a response directly from the shop, then bring it up again?

I am by no means a regular there but every girl I have seen is the same as the picture. Sure, they might have had their hair done, lost or put on weight, not made up as well as photos etc etc, but it is them.

How much are you paying to be on this forum?
This forum is multi functional.It's a place for providers to advertise. A place for punters to share information and in some cases provide feedback to the service providers.I have been visiting Ginza its various incarnations for a decade.I provided some innocuous feedback because I felt they'd lost a step.The post lasted 45 minutes and was taken down.Ginza contacted me and said they'd look into it and still valued my custom.Again I provided an update on their feedback to me.Others have also provided feedback to Ginza.The original post was not seen by many in its 45 minute web life
My understanding is that providers pay a fee to advertise their services.Punters respond by attending the shops and enjoying the services advertised and paying a fee
Not being an advertiser I pay no fee.My fee is paid when I visit a shop or service provider
I provided feedback.Ginza responded.
Have they acted on the feedback.?

[Meng]

Why was your post taken down? Sorry I didn’t get to read it but I assumed it’s constructive feedback so not sure why that happened.

[GINZA]

We apologise for the disappointments you feel, although it’s difficult, we would try our best to rectify the photos problems, although it might take a lot of persuasion to the girls ;). One thing we can assure our customers is your most satisfied visits is always our primary goal.





she refused kissing!!


Sorry about that, you can tell the receiptionist when u finish. So they can talk to the girl to fix this problem
I will pm you now

[AsiaAddict]

I think some girls are a bit weary of kissing due to the coronavirus...

The girls are fooling themselves if they are worried about catching coronavirus from DFK. The chance and source of transmission of infection from Infected people can be from much more basic contact than DFK. It could happen as soon as the punter walks through the door.

We are all taking a risk of catching Coronavirus here, both girls and punters, but lucky we live in NSW, rather than VIC. Most girls appear to weigh up the risk in a similar way to the risk of catching STDs.

See:
https://apple.news/Aaou7AnfyTjuKB_rJM3B54A

It’s a roll of the dice for both parties. Fortunately the risk here (NSW) is comparatively very low. But it could still happen as it could from us catching a taxi or a bus, going to a bar or even a supermarket.

If the girls and punters are going to have sex with customers, then not doing DFK won’t make any difference to their chance of catching Coronavirus if they are still kissing, licking, or breathing within a short distance of each other and touching surfaces that may have been touched by an infected person.

It may be there are other reasons for not doing DFK, which may be they have had to join this industry to survive financially, or the fall in service levels reported previously. But very few girls are being advertised as “new to the industry”, so who knows?

[Meng]

Lol yea. Won’t DFK in fear of corona but will lick ass. I reckon they just don’t want to kiss.

If corona was so hard to catch that you’d need to have your tongue in someone’s mouth to catch it then this pandemic would of been over long ago.

Some girls just provide bad service.

[Discotech]

Lol yea. Won’t DFK in fear of corona but will lick ass. I reckon they just don’t want to kiss.

If corona was so hard to catch that you’d need to have your tongue in someone’s mouth to catch it then this pandemic would of been over long ago.

Some girls just provide bad service.

Agreed the girls who don’t want to kiss just don’t want to kiss

[AsiaAddict]

Lol yea. Won’t DFK in fear of corona but will lick ass. I reckon they just don’t want to kiss.

If corona was so hard to catch that you’d need to have your tongue in someone’s mouth to catch it then this pandemic would of been over long ago.

Some girls just provide bad service.

Yeah bro Meng, agree completely!

Imagine the questions that would be asked about WTF has gone on in Melbourne if your statement was actually the case??!!! Lots of people walking around tongue kissing strangers and passing on the virus!!! I am sorry to make light of this terrible pandemic that has claimed 1+ million lives and infected nearly 38 million. But your suggestion did make me chuckle.

Comes back to the point that if they don't do full Diamond, they shouldn't charge for full Diamond.

AA

[GoldfishMan]

Yeah bro Meng, agree completely!

Imagine the questions that would be asked about WTF has gone on in Melbourne if your statement was actually the case??!!! Lots of people walking around tongue kissing strangers and passing on the virus!!! I am sorry to make light of this terrible pandemic that has claimed 1+ million lives and infected nearly 38 million. But your suggestion did make me chuckle.

Comes back to the point that if they don't do full Diamond, they shouldn't charge for full Diamond.

AA
Don't think the girl said she won't kiss because of COVID. That wasn't on bro holi_day's post.
This whole assumption that the girl used COVID as an excuse not to kiss only started when bro Willisno replied saying "these days it is hard to get DFK because of COVID"... He was just generalising, but it has now morphed into being the original complaint, lol!

[wilisno]

Don't think the girl said she won't kiss because of COVID. That wasn't on bro holi_day's post.
This whole assumption that the girl used COVID as an excuse not to kiss only started when bro Willisno replied saying "these days it is hard to get DFK because of COVID"... He was just generalising, but it has now morphed into being the original complaint, lol!

That’s how the forum works, haha ! Usually if you read the last post on a second page of a thread, you wouldn’t be able to guess what the OP was about ! ;) ;) ;)

[Maxmanic]

I have a lot of respect for Wilson and what he’s been able to create at Ginza. I would argue that for many years now, no other shop has consistently recruited the same quality of girls that provide a plethora of incredible services as Ginza girls. Their reputation used to speak volumes to Ginza’s success.

That said, I returned to Sydney after a long stint working in WA and visited the sister shop (used to be Black Cat) a month ago.

I won’t reveal WL name coz this post isn’t a review but to make a point. Whilst she was very pretty her attitude and service was definitely NOT what I’ve experienced at Ginza ..ever. Didn’t want to kiss, was unwilling to accommodate a simple request to break her routine and give me a bbbj while seated instead of on bed ....😳 the whole session was cordial but robotic

So, personally I think the change in standard is true and not ‘imagined’ by so many punters. Albeit probably only a couple of bad apples whilst the rest are still sensational.

The fake photos is sad to hear. Totally unnecessary for a shop like this. Mgt PLEASE rectify this, not worth losing business over a fake photo. I’d rather a representative photo BUT shop must label as ‘representative photo only’.

I hope it can return to its glory days again soon.
Happy punting guys

[Dettol]

I too am a regular of Ginza even since their Tokyo Cats days. I hope they figure this out soon as even if there are still a few great girls over there, I find myself less motivated to go and try new ones.

[f6tornado]

I too am a regular of Ginza even since their Tokyo Cats days. I hope they figure this out soon as even if there are still a few great girls over there, I find myself less motivated to go and try new ones.

I've punted at almost every FS place in Sydney and Canberra in the past 10 years. I started going to Ginza after discovering AUS99 about 5 years ago. I found Wilson to be very helpful and accurate whenever I asked for recommendations. He always said, "Every girl same service", when I asked what girls would provide and you knew you could rely on this. The Website pics were usually authentic and so many young stunners! I also followed Rooter's "form guide" and found this to be reliable. Great times, but I guess nothing stays the same forever. Most places are now more hit and miss. Need to look a bit harder and shop around to find good value for money now.

[kctt]

I find more and more often that it is difficult to relate ginza / 278 club girl to their photos on website.
For example:
Honey is nowhere look like her photos. Cute face but looks like a different person.
Elsa looks skinny in photos, especially in the photo at table. That gives impression of a skinny gym girl yet glamorous. In reality, a bit chubby, still pretty face but opposite with impression from photos and face is really hard to think same person.
Joyce also hard time to connect person with photos. There is no way I can tell those are her photos.
Some photos are real like Alice and S but of course need some time to connect photos to the girls because they must use app to enhance beauty :D