doing the same thing over and over and expecting

Hi Gents- getting on now, over 60 and have had a 40 year punting history in Brisbane & OS.
Days of my youth were fortunately filled with freebies and during the 80's,90's,2000 things in Brisbane were not too bad price and performance wise.
Trips OS to playgrounds like Thai, Phil, Mal, Viet etc have seen me lying besides young hotties at small prices.
Due to this "history" I have somewhat of a requirement for more than just a RnT. If I had my way GFE would be standard ( as it used to be) but I may point out that I don't necessary require FS.

Come now to the Brisbane scene of overpriced and poor performances, I'm thinking am I doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result which 95% of the time aint going to happen.
Planed some trips to Sydney and OS but what to do between times. Can't get myself to throw more than $250 at a punt as I think it sends the wrong message and this is why three quarters of men are with Aussie heffers who screw their money out of them thus they need to go to the "girls" to get some stress release.

I find most ML just want to do nude handjob ( very little touching) and pocket $100 and on to the next client. Very few will get into it, over the Southside its particularly noted for having poor shops. Due to time restrictions and watchful eyes long absences are difficult to justify.
Appears I am also fighting against many punters who think a nude Hj is a great session at 65 + 100.

So answer: pay more? walk in be blunt say this is what I want and walk out? brothels? ( find them too mechanical), lower my standards ( prob impossible) or just resign myself to the fact that that's the way it is and stick to my travels and Pornhub.
Would be interested in others views, esp long term older punters. Give me some ideas, alternative things I may not have throught about.
4FoW2

4FoW2. As you know I am a similar age and situation. I have accepted the fact that I'm a boring wrinkley old man. You appear surprised that girls don't want to "get into it" anymore so I'm assuming you don't have a mirror. Please, I'm not trying to be nasty. Honest opinion, you are living in the past regarding services provided and prices charged. We older gents need different techniques. Said it before, clean, respectful and lotsa money.

Similar age, punting about 5 years. I mostly see wl's but got sick of the bait and switch. I now filter for young and caucasion which is expensive but more reliable. Not entirely tho, saw a '19yo' who happily said she was 26. Find a few you like and train them up.

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Originally Posted by Carpe Diem

Similar age, punting about 5 years. I mostly see wl's but got sick of the bait and switch. I now filter for young and caucasion which is expensive but more reliable. Not entirely tho, saw a '19yo' who happily said she was 26. Find a few you like and train them up.

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young and white and willing are hard to find.

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Originally Posted by 4FoW2

Would be interested in others views, esp long term older punters. Give me some ideas, alternative things I may not have throught about.
4FoW2

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Mate you seem like a fair bloke. Happy to share ideas and techniques privately but for discussion I believe the market is the market - I don’t really haggle unless she’s clearly out of sync

At the moment mostly due to covid things went crazy in many ways but like most things it will come back I hope

It’s a personal thing but must gurus don’t want to it feel they need to do gfe and not for sane price when they can get more cash - and why not - if guys are dumb enough it’s our issue

No point crying over spilt milk…..

Sydney forums set the standard - everyone shares etc etc

We all keep anything decent closer here and that sucks

Play your game that you've developed, roll your dice. find your niche.

I hit a few targeted Brisbane dating sites. Bounced off a few girls, got ghosted a few times but soon found a sweet, 28 yo that needs some attention. I flick her some monthly money to help with studies. It's less that a FS shop visit BTW It's all about timing and good luck. Play your game

On her off days I have a 19year old pregnant (not mine) filipina that sends me a regular video, some nudes and video chat for <$30/week. I started seeing her as an 18yo when I was visiting so we have a good in-person friendship.

Steering clear of shop and shop girls opens up for better productivity and price.

Same age group, 30 plus trips to Asia in the last decade. I understand your pov when comparing to what we have in Brisbane, but its not BKK or MNL, where cost of living is at the other end of the spectrum. I set a similar max payout with local shops, but don't mind if I leave with the money in my pocket. It's all about your attitude. You leaving happy and $250 lighter, or happy and with $250 in your pocket is entirely up to you.

At least you have the option to punt or not.

Not sure what your scene is in Oz 4FoW2, but if you are financially self sufficient and footloose and fancy free, why don't you think about extended stays O/S?

You are clearly not happy with the scene over here (and i get that to a point) and none of us live forever, so rather than being disillusioned day in and day out by what is on offer in your back yard, perhaps a new back yard would turn up new offers that are more to your liking.

I enjoy your contributions on here and you seem like a genuine bloke, but you are repetitively vocal about cost, performance and VFM, almost obsessively so. If you don't change anything mate, you are going to keep coming up with the same result. Again, not sure what is and isn't possible for you, but alternating 3-4 months on Oz with 3-4 months O/S in a place like Udon Thani, Chiang Mai, Nong Khai or Khon Kaen as an example (obviously stay away from the money pits of BKK, Pattaya, Phuket and Samui etc) would be very cost effective, you would find exactly what you are looking for and you would be a much happier chappy.

Good Luck and hope you find the right solution to your conundrum. Life's short, live it, don't just contemplate it ad nauseum!

Sorry if my last post was a bit judgemental. Just a tip for the future. I'm a bit older then you and while the body is still good, the mind, with falling testosterone, is loosing interest. I still punt, but no great urgency. That's something to look forward to, as it saves me around $10,000 a year. So don't plan life changing actions just yet.

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Originally Posted by harry444

Sorry if my last post was a bit judgemental. Just a tip for the future. I'm a bit older then you and while the body is still good, the mind, with falling testosterone, is loosing interest. I still punt, but no great urgency. That's something to look forward to, as it saves me around $10,000 a year. So don't plan life changing actions just yet.

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I saw a recent rerun of an aging Barry Humphries interview. His comment resonated with me. While from his angle the girls he sees and wants are still young, they don't see him the same way. I realize I'm the same thinking I am an option for a 20 yo, which to them I'm not.

But this is about punting. Girls do surprising things when the time and money are right

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Originally Posted by Gavinator

young and white and willing are hard to find.

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if you want someone young and willing, almost always it will be Asian. and it will involve money. Young and white won't do 40+ males even when money is involved, unless it is for A LOT of money. and even then, she won't be yours exclusively ; she will have others on the side. the younger white Aussies always think they are better than others, or that they deserve better. i mean the ones who are born after 1996.

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Originally Posted by Slops

I set a similar max payout with local shops, but don't mind if I leave with the money in my pocket. It's all about your attitude. You leaving happy and $250 lighter, or happy and with $250 in your pocket is entirely up to you.

At least you have the option to punt or not.

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some people leave $250 lighter and they are still not happy. wonder why they have not learnt how to walk.

Thankyou to all those who responded. I have made the decision to take a full month off punting. Unfortunately Uptome OS stints are not an option due to commitments here.
Apologies to all for my overzealous negativity at times. I am fortunate to be in a very good position with a loving partner, being financially secure and having pretty good health.
I think I need to realize "you can't have it all" so be grateful for what you do have or what you once had.
4FoW2

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Originally Posted by 4FoW2

Thankyou to all those who responded. I have made the decision to take a full month off punting. Unfortunately Uptome OS stints are not an option due to commitments here.
Apologies to all for my overzealous negativity at times. I am fortunate to be in a very good position with a loving partner, being financially secure and having pretty good health.
I think I need to realize "you can't have it all" so be grateful for what you do have or what you once had.
4FoW2

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Good for you mate, at least you have made a change to your routine so that can only be a positive. Hopefully your sabbatical gives you some clarity and the time to reflect with a clear head and in a months time you are raring to go again, only this time, without the pent up frustration of being constantly disappointed by the scene.

Keep the chin up!

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Originally Posted by 4FoW2

Thankyou to all those who responded. I have made the decision to take a full month off punting. Unfortunately Uptome OS stints are not an option due to commitments here.
Apologies to all for my overzealous negativity at times. I am fortunate to be in a very good position with a loving partner, being financially secure and having pretty good health.
I think I need to realize "you can't have it all" so be grateful for what you do have or what you once had.
4FoW2

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It’s not all that bad I’ve come across a few odd girls who go a little old school but it’s just where things are at in general

Stick to your own plan - some (including me to be honest) may not agree entirely but it’s yours

As always and with a few of you “known” guys happy to help weed out a few but I think you are all over it

I remember AS when it was like going into heaven - now……

I have very fond memories of a Sydney shop and a girl in a brown 2 piece (same thing every time I went in) - I barely got in the room and she was over the table and we ended of just going crazy every time

Now I look back and wish I’d treated the whole experience with more respect hahaha 😝 but it is what it is

Every now and then when I’m down on chips the door opens and the lights start flashing….

As we are walking down memory lane, I remember 20 yrs ago in a bar in JKT i pointed out an old guy chatting to a sweet young thing. I said to my colleague she’s going home with him. The Noob didn’t believe me, of course she did. Now I’m the old guy but in between there were stunning German masseuses, wild Kiwi’s, tattooed horny ML’s. Each one stamped in my memory. So just like the movies, I suspend the theory of disbelief and treat the girls with respect, avoid mirrors and pay to play.

I don't find shops to be great value. Some of the privates around Brisbane are pretty good with 1/2 nude massage and BJ for $100 on offer with attractive, thin Korean and SE Asian girls.

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Originally Posted by APuntingwewillgo

I don't find shops to be great value. Some of the privates around Brisbane are pretty good with 1/2 nude massage and BJ for $100 on offer with attractive, thin Korean and SE Asian girls.

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I’ve sent you a PM but also where are these privates advertising? Locanto massage section in Brisbane has some ML but a lot of shops advertise there and a lot of ML aren’t offering BJ (at least on the advertisement). If a ML is offering $80 for a 30min massage with HJ finish, upgrading to a BJ is $50 extra according to their advertisements.

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Originally Posted by flik

I’ve sent you a PM but also where are these privates advertising? Locanto massage section in Brisbane has some ML but a lot of shops advertise there and a lot of ML aren’t offering BJ (at least on the advertisement). If a ML is offering $80 for a 30min massage with HJ finish, upgrading to a BJ is $50 extra according to their advertisements.

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was offered +300 for a BJ upgrade today. I mean WTF and that was the standard price on her text.

Yeah prices have gone crazy I’ve mostly stopped punting shops now instead book girls karaoke drinking and back to hotel for fun heaps better

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Originally Posted by Massageloverbris

Yeah prices have gone crazy I’ve mostly stopped punting shops now instead book girls karaoke drinking and back to hotel for fun heaps better

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Please explain.....