Breaking NEWS:NSW lockdown extend another 4 weeks

[adahar]

I doubt it although I would like it to.

+1

And with some detail of the "4 Phase Plan" released this'll go on in one form or another until merry Yuletide.

Lockdowns have threatened to be a feature until 70% and even 80% vaccine coverage. There are other very disturbing features of the "grand plan" which might create some very bad blood in the ensuing months.

Kiss goodbye to any form of normal.

[TheMaestro]

Vote them out!!! Oh wait, can't have elections with COVID-19 and lockdowns.

[warwick1]

Vote them out!!! Oh wait, can't have elections with COVID-19 and lockdowns.

The alternative would not be any better unfortunately, a bummer........

[dotcumdotinyou]

The best way to end all this and get back to somewhat normality is for over 80% vax rates. The best way to do this is to incentivize people to get the shots, I think the best incentive is if you present at a hospital with covid and you're unvaccinated you should have to pay for it yourself. You shouldn't be able to use medicare or your health insurance at all.

Sigh...this could only work if the government had enough vaccines for all of us.

[Vader]

+1

And with some detail of the "4 Phase Plan" released this'll go on in one form or another until merry Yuletide.

Lockdowns have threatened to be a feature until 70% and even 80% vaccine coverage. There are other very disturbing features of the "grand plan" which might create some very bad blood in the ensuing months.

Kiss goodbye to any form of normal.

Even the best modelling plans etc have shown that Australia won't get to 80% vaccination for yonks due to so many people ambivalent about getting vaccinated.

[Vader]

Vote them out!!! Oh wait, can't have elections with COVID-19 and lockdowns.

So you reckon the opposition will do anything different?

[Vader]

The best way to end all this and get back to somewhat normality is for over 80% vax rates. The best way to do this is to incentivize people to get the shots, I think the best incentive is if you present at a hospital with covid and you're unvaccinated you should have to pay for it yourself. You shouldn't be able to use medicare or your health insurance at all.

Sigh...this could only work if the government had enough vaccines for all of us.

Plenty of AZ...........

[Assandlegs]

I'll have to admit, blue balls is also clouding my judgement. I don't think I can hold it much longer!!

That's why the almighty invented porn.....

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[storry_teller]

The best way to end all this and get back to somewhat normality is for over 80% vax rates. The best way to do this is to incentivize people to get the shots, I think the best incentive is if you present at a hospital with covid and you're unvaccinated you should have to pay for it yourself. You shouldn't be able to use medicare or your health insurance at all.

Sigh...this could only work if the government had enough vaccines for all of us.

Just like in China. Different benefits from unvaccinated and vaccinated.
I think business should be allowed to open if their staffs can provide certification for vaccinated. A bit hard to check but if give big fine for cheating then should be okay

[adahar]

Just like in China. Different benefits from unvaccinated and vaccinated.
I think business should be allowed to open if their staffs can provide certification for vaccinated. A bit hard to check but if give big fine for cheating then should be okay

According to ScoMo at last evenings PC one of the benefits for the vaccinated will be a shorter isolation time if tested positive, as opposed to the full 14 days if not. This presumes that that the vaccinated will still present for testing or being netted as a close contact. This presumes QR check in's will never be abandoned. There's a big chance that any vaccinated person might not get a test if their income is at stake, merely staying away from everybody until symptoms pass.

Another statement by him which journalists appear not to have picked up on was overseas travellers coming into the country (not returning Aussies) would need to be vaccinated with an TGA approved vaccine. Most of SE Asia will have used Sinovax and if that doesn't get approved then a 2 week quarantine might be enforced. That would fill up the yet to be built quarantine centres in a flash and be a nice little earner for the private enterprise contracted to run them. Keep an eye on this one, looks like a back door business opportunity for someone.

There's a sociological cost to this division of vaccinated vs un-vaccinated as 100% will never be achieved. Linking benefits to your health status is a dangerous path to take, you have no idea where it may go.

[cumquat]

According to ScoMo at last evenings PC one of the benefits for the vaccinated will be a shorter isolation time if tested positive, as opposed to the full 14 days if not. This presumes that that the vaccinated will still present for testing or being netted as a close contact. This presumes QR check in's will never be abandoned. There's a big chance that any vaccinated person might not get a test if their income is at stake, merely staying away from everybody until symptoms pass.

Another statement by him which journalists appear not to have picked up on was overseas travellers coming into the country (not returning Aussies) would need to be vaccinated with an TGA approved vaccine. Most of SE Asia will have used Sinovax and if that doesn't get approved then a 2 week quarantine might be enforced. That would fill up the yet to be built quarantine centres in a flash and be a nice little earner for the private enterprise contracted to run them. Keep an eye on this one, looks like a back door business opportunity for someone.

There's a sociological cost to this division of vaccinated vs un-vaccinated as 100% will never be achieved. Linking benefits to your health status is a dangerous path to take, you have no idea where it may go.

Personally if I was an Int’l arrival, I would if it’s available in country pay the above and over for a TGA approved vaccine.

That’s where the money spinner would be - migration agents etc

Re: linking benefits .. it’s here. And It’s called the insurance industry

[Climax598]

Shops any shop should have vaccination safe like we have covid safe now. This well force people to vax to go to work and customers well use QR to show you are vax before you receive service like what is happening in Europe.

[adahar]

Re: linking benefits .. it’s here. And It’s called the insurance industry

Insurance doesn't get you any benefits except to mitigate the cost of whatever you're insuring against. You don't need health insurance to get into a restaurant or entertainment venue etc.

To get those "benefits" (It's only being reported in connection with quarantine but who knows where it will go, as in France, Italy etc.) you might need to "prove" your status which means a vaccine certificate or passport to access those benefits. This could mean that private companies might be allowed to demand your health status.

Is this the path that we want to tread?

[adahar]

Could also point out that a precedent already exists.

To gain access to certain family tax benefits, their children have to be vaccinated for other stuff. It's not like the govt haven't done this before so it's not a huge jump to do it with the rest of society, but extending it to everyday life and private companies would seem to be a bridge too far.

[Vader]

Could also point out that a precedent already exists.

To gain access to certain family tax benefits, their children have to be vaccinated for other stuff. It's not like the govt haven't done this before so it's not a huge jump to do it with the rest of society, but extending it to everyday life and private companies would seem to be a bridge too far.

I don't have any issue with a private company enforcing its own rules. It is your choice if you wish to engage with that company or not.

[TheMaestro]

According to ScoMo at last evenings PC one of the benefits for the vaccinated will be a shorter isolation time if tested positive, as opposed to the full 14 days if not. This presumes that that the vaccinated will still present for testing or being netted as a close contact. This presumes QR check in's will never be abandoned. There's a big chance that any vaccinated person might not get a test if their income is at stake, merely staying away from everybody until symptoms pass.

Another statement by him which journalists appear not to have picked up on was overseas travellers coming into the country (not returning Aussies) would need to be vaccinated with an TGA approved vaccine. Most of SE Asia will have used Sinovax and if that doesn't get approved then a 2 week quarantine might be enforced. That would fill up the yet to be built quarantine centres in a flash and be a nice little earner for the private enterprise contracted to run them. Keep an eye on this one, looks like a back door business opportunity for someone.

There's a sociological cost to this division of vaccinated vs un-vaccinated as 100% will never be achieved. Linking benefits to your health status is a dangerous path to take, you have no idea where it may go.

It will be interesting if the world will be carved up into Vaccine bubbles. There is already reports and talk of China requiring visitors to be vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine in order for entry/more privileges. Imagine if every country had their own rules and vaccine list, those who need to travel could potentially require to get vaccinated with many different vaccines depending on where they were going? Apart from being a complete waste of vaccinations it is a bureaucrats wet dream!!!!!

[adahar]

I don't have any issue with a private company enforcing its own rules. It is your choice if you wish to engage with that company or not.

Absolutely true but that's not the point.

Your health status is nobody else's business and should remain private. Notwithstanding this primary right it's also about the govt sending signals that it's ok for one part of society to discriminate against another part of society that have equal rights.

This is why there are Acts protecting consumer, tenancy rights et al that may have unequal tension between parties. Abuse of this tension is the problem.

[Vader]

Absolutely true but that's not the point.

Your health status is nobody else's business and should remain private. Notwithstanding this primary right it's also about the govt sending signals that it's ok for one part of society to discriminate against another part of society that have equal rights.

This is why there are Acts protecting consumer, tenancy rights et al that may have unequal tension between parties. Abuse of this tension is the problem.

So you have an issue if you have to show if you have been vaccinated or not before entry or similar?
No one has equal rights

[adahar]

So you have an issue if you have to show if you have been vaccinated or not before entry or similar?

If it was debated in Parliament, supported by both houses and passed into law I would most certainly not act in contravention. PHO's always have a repeal date and therefore are temporary.

Adopted by private companies? No thanks.

No one has equal rights

Exercising your right to be equal is not necessarily easy or achievable but surrendering to this proposition means you will eventually lose them anyway.

The really dumb thing about "vaccine passports" for internal use (as opposed to international travel) is that, if as any many people get vaccinated as possible then a passport achieves nothing.

[Vader]

If it was debated in Parliament, supported by both houses and passed into law I would most certainly not act in contravention. PHO's always have a repeal date and therefore are temporary.

Adopted by private companies? No thanks.



Exercising your right to be equal is not necessarily easy or achievable but surrendering to this proposition means you will eventually lose them anyway.

The really dumb thing about "vaccine passports" for internal use (as opposed to international travel) is that, if as any many people get vaccinated as possible then a passport achieves nothing.

Your fighting a losing battle. Only battle on something that you can win.