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    With the roadmap unveiled today, would massage shops be considered under retail?

    I was reading the roadmap unveiled today here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-release...lly-vaccinated

    It mentioned some specific stores like barbers, gyms, hospitalities and retail stores, but it doesn't say anything about massage shops? Do you think that they are part of this roadmap?

    Just a disclaimer, I think I am going to wait a bit before I go back to shops but it just came to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GallBall2203 View Post
    I was reading the roadmap unveiled today here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/media-release...lly-vaccinated

    It mentioned some specific stores like barbers, gyms, hospitalities and retail stores, but it doesn't say anything about massage shops? Do you think that they are part of this roadmap?

    Just a disclaimer, I think I am going to wait a bit before I go back to shops but it just came to mind.
    "Massage parlors" and "sex services" are specifically categorized under "beauty and other services", with requirements for reopening specified.
    https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/covi...other-services

    Resources and guidance on how to complete a COVID-19 Safety Plan including salon, hairdressing salons, spa, nail salons, waxing salons, tanning salons, massage parlours, tattoo studios, sex on premises venues, and sex services.
    Last edited by MisterWhippy; 09-09-2021 at 05:26 PM. Reason: More detail on what "beauty and other services" includes

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    Hopefully there'll be enough space for 1 person per 4 square metres

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    I guess you can't have 3somes or orgies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_brendan View Post
    I guess you can't have 3somes or orgies.
    Why not? When I fuck a girl, 2 become 1....

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    Just a disclaimer, I think I am going to wait a bit before I go back to shops but it just came to mind.[/QUOTE]

    Agree the shops have been closed up for months they will need some airing out.

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    I'm sure there was a gap between places like hairdressers and massage/brothels opening last year but I forget how long. I'm just worried that with the likely strict new checking in requirements it'll be impossible to go to one incognito!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awqjoq View Post
    I'm sure there was a gap between places like hairdressers and massage/brothels opening last year but I forget how long. I'm just worried that with the likely strict new checking in requirements it'll be impossible to go to one incognito!
    IIRC, hairdressers were allowed to stay open last year, with occupation limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiegaigin View Post
    IIRC, hairdressers were allowed to stay open last year, with occupation limitations.
    Hairdressers had to close for a short time. There was some confusion as they were allowed to stay open, then they changed their minds, or perhaps it was the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiafever View Post
    Hairdressers had to close for a short time. There was some confusion as they were allowed to stay open, then they changed their minds, or perhaps it was the other way around.
    I only remember that I had no problems getting my regular monthly cut during that period. The shop has 8 chairs, but only 3 were operating. My girl was only working 2-3 days per week rather than her usual six. They closed weekends, but I thought through lack of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awqjoq View Post
    I'm sure there was a gap between places like hairdressers and massage/brothels opening last year but I forget how long. I'm just worried that with the likely strict new checking in requirements it'll be impossible to go to one incognito!
    QR code check in will be one and vaccinated certificate will be one. It already say fully vaccinated have more freedom.

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    It will be interesting to see how compliant shops are with this. On one hand they wouldn’t want the bad press of being a super spreader and on the other they don’t wanna be too intrusive with their customer’s details who don’t wanna give their real names when they show their vaccination status

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharphorse View Post
    It will be interesting to see how compliant shops are with this. On one hand they wouldn’t want the bad press of being a super spreader and on the other they don’t wanna be too intrusive with their customer’s details who don’t wanna give their real names when they show their vaccination status
    QR check in to prove one is vaccinated will definitely happen. The shop won't have your info but they are mandated to know one is fully vaccinated before letting them in.

    Only Service NSW will have the info of where you visited. For contact tracing. Plus anyone who has access to your Service NSW App.

    Was thinking of using fake info as some ppl do on there Service NSW App, but won't work with showing one is vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studsg View Post
    QR check in to prove one is vaccinated will definitely happen. The shop won't have your info but they are mandated to know one is fully vaccinated before letting them in.

    Only Service NSW will have the info of where you visited. For contact tracing. Plus anyone who has access to your Service NSW App.

    Was thinking of using fake info as some ppl do on there Service NSW App, but won't work with showing one is vaccinated.
    There is no mandate on any business to require proof of vaccination of customers. It's up to the business themselves to require it. You don't have to go into the shop if you don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adahar View Post
    There is no mandate on any business to require proof of vaccination of customers. It's up to the business themselves to require it. You don't have to go into the shop if you don't like it.
    You are saying the opposite of what NSW is mandating for businesses that want to operate when lockdown is over. It's obviously not up to the business. it's a rule they have to follow, just like how all retail businesses now have to have the QR code in place.

    Like you said. You can choose not to go into the shop... in fact it will be not going into any shop if you refuse to QR check-in to proof full vaccination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studsg View Post
    You are saying the opposite of what NSW is mandating for businesses that want to operate when lockdown is over. It's obviously not up to the business. it's a rule they have to follow, just like how all retail businesses now have to have the QR code in place.

    Like you said. You can choose not to go into the shop... in fact it will be not going into any shop if you refuse to QR check-in to proof full vaccination.
    It is mandated that shops must have a QR code, but the shops are not able to enforce that customers actually use it. There is very little in the way of checks.

    Pubs can probably use their security guards to block non-conformers, but I wonder how your local supermarkets will cope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by studsg View Post
    You are saying the opposite of what NSW is mandating for businesses that want to operate when lockdown is over. It's obviously not up to the business. it's a rule they have to follow, just like how all retail businesses now have to have the QR code in place.

    Like you said. You can choose not to go into the shop... in fact it will be not going into any shop if you refuse to QR check-in to proof full vaccination.
    There's a lot movement in the PHO's. They change from day to day, as you might expect. However there's a change I can't quite reconcile.

    There was a "main" PHO which laid out the general rules and then there was a supplementary PHO which was altered according to the changes made constantly. The "main" PHO I can't seem to track down now, I have a copy but I can't find a current link to it. Anyway......

    Clause 15 (2) states:- The person must ensure the person’s contact details are registered electronically then the person enters the premises

    Clause 15 (3) states:- The occupier of the premises must take reasonable steps to ensure a person complies with this clause when entering the premises.

    It's clear that the obligation to register is on the entering person. If the occupier fails to ensure you register it won't prevent the person from being liable but it won't mean that the occupier is liable either.

    I'm not sure I heard that the govt will mandate businesses to require proof of vaccination. Where did you get that information from? Please provide a link if you can.

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    But there is still the grey area:
    Premises that must not be open
    The following premises in the general area must not be open to the public—
    (a) amusement centres,
    (b) nightclubs,
    (c) sex services premises,
    (d) sex on premises venues,
    (e) strip clubs.
    Waiting to see what happens on Monday

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiegaigin View Post
    But there is still the grey area:


    Waiting to see what happens on Monday

    To be clear the PHO refers to the "General Area", which doesn't include "Stay at home" or "Areas of Concern".

    So those outside of Sydney are fine, we still have to wait.

    As they are scrapping the schedule for "Areas of concern" on 1st October it might indicate that other rules might go then.

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    In think they said the onus is on the shops,. If they are spreading, they'll probably get checked and then locked down

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