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    Quote Originally Posted by suka02 View Post
    One thing i hate what they did to the CBD is the light rail. i don’t mind the central to dulwich hill or to kingsford. Now the city looks so dead, ugly and congested. I spend less time going city nowadays. It was so good when they had the monorail and the city traffic keeping it alive including galaxyworld.
    I have to admit, I really liked the monorail. It was fun to ride, lots of things to see. Unfortunately it was not "scaled" properly... Too limited in capacity, resulting in the price being too high to use it. Ultimately made it not economically viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suka02 View Post
    One thing i hate what they did to the CBD is the light rail. i don’t mind the central to dulwich hill or to kingsford. Now the city looks so dead, ugly and congested. I spend less time going city nowadays. It was so good when they had the monorail and the city traffic keeping it alive including galaxyworld.
    I originally shared your view brother suka in regards to the Lightrail in the city ! Like what were they thinking? Tried to copy Melbourne?

    But then when the Lightrail is actually running and me and my Mrs had a few ride on them, I must admit I have now changed my mind and turned into a supporter of the project.

    Firstly , as we are Gold Opal card holder, it’s very cheap for us to ride on it.

    Secondly, I can’t do too much walking these day so if doing some shop in the CBD or anything (pre Covid), we would take a ride on it one way or both and just enjoying the resting.

    Did it a few times to go to Kensington and enjoying the food there. Much easier than driving and looking for parking.

    May be it’s just me ?


    Ps. And the Lightrail to the Darling Harbour, Casino and the Fish Market, that’s the only way too ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    I originally shared your view brother suka in regards to the Lightrail in the city ! Like what were they thinking? Tried to copy Melbourne?

    But then when the Lightrail is actually running and me and my Mrs had a few ride on them, I must admit I have now changed my mind and turned into a supporter of the project.

    Firstly , as we are Gold Opal card holder, it’s very cheap for us to ride on it.

    Secondly, I can’t do too much walking these day so if doing some shop in the CBD or anything (pre Covid), we would take a ride on it one way or both and just enjoying the resting.

    Did it a few times to go to Kensington and enjoying the food there. Much easier than driving and looking for parking.

    May be it’s just me ?


    Ps. And the Lightrail to the Darling Harbour, Casino and the Fish Market, that’s the only way too ?
    I'm on the fence about the Lightrail. They don't call it Trams for a reason: they don't want the public to remember that once upon a time, Sydney had the largest tram network in Australia, more than double the size of the existing Melbourne network. And they don't want people to remember that that network was scrapped not because it wasn't good enough for the people of NSW, but because they accepted the advise of "overseas experts" who were aligned with big oil and automobile companies.

    That was a really embarassing point in our history and fair enough that they just want to forget about it and move on. However, what have we got now? Instead of giving Sydney what it really needs, namely a wide and far reaching network with small trams running to service the thinly spread out population, they have instead built a concentrated network with large "trams" benefiting only a few along that limited route.

    What's the motivation of doing something like that? It's really questionable is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    I'm on the fence about the Lightrail. They don't call it Trams for a reason: they don't want the public to remember that once upon a time, Sydney had the largest tram network in Australia, more than double the size of the existing Melbourne network. And they don't want people to remember that that network was scrapped not because it wasn't good enough for the people of NSW, but because they accepted the advise of "overseas experts" who were aligned with big oil and automobile companies.

    That was a really embarassing point in our history and fair enough that they just want to forget about it and move on. However, what have we got now? Instead of giving Sydney what it really needs, namely a wide and far reaching network with small trams running to service the thinly spread out population, they have instead built a concentrated network with large "trams" benefiting only a few along that limited route.

    What's the motivation of doing something like that? It's really questionable is it not?
    The trams in Sydney was before my time, so no idea……… lol

    Love the trams in Melbourne, especially all the free ride in the CBD. One thing I think Melbourne is doing much better is that the trams and motor traffic can run side by side as the roads are much wider. I don’t like the idea of no cars along George St - but I guess it’s all for safety? If there’s an accident, the trams are much smaller to be removed where the giant Lightrail in Sydney will be blocking the whole line a long time ?

    One thing though, the current Lightrail have not yet been tested with overseas tourists yet, would be their moment of truth if they would be popular and can breakeven or make money in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    The trams in Sydney was before my time, so no idea……… lol

    Love the trams in Melbourne, especially all the free ride in the CBD. One thing I think Melbourne is doing much better is that the trams and motor traffic can run side by side as the roads are much wider. I don’t like the idea of no cars along George St - but I guess it’s all for safety? If there’s an accident, the trams are much smaller to be removed where the giant Lightrail in Sydney will be blocking the whole line a long time ?

    One thing though, the current Lightrail have not yet been tested with overseas tourists yet, would be their moment of truth if they would be popular and can breakeven or make money in the long run.
    Bro, neither am I old enough, lol! It's all documented here... Very interesting read if you're interested:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_...ey?wprov=sfla1

    I guess they couldn't implement the same method for handling traffic as in Melbourne because the Lightrail trams are too long and slow moving. Imagine doing hook turns with the Lightrail trams, it'd be complete chaos waiting for that beast to cross the intersection!

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    I remember Mecca's sold southern fried chicken

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    I love the light rail. Up and down from chinatown to CQuay. Out to Coogee on a summer weekend. Surry Hills to a pub, back home on a bus from the CBD. All with no parking hassle or drink driving issues. Tramsheds in Glebe. It's great.

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    Before Covid struck Melbourne, Dan’s ace transport planning department didn’t plan for over 150,000 international students living and working in the CBD and inner city areas and using trams everyday. The tram network just about collapsed. If there was a problem, Dan would just blame the private operator. It was impossible to get on a tram in the mornings or afternoons as they were so full. I would wait and wait for a tram on St.Kilda Road at 5.30pm before deciding to leg it. The other problem was that as the trams were so packed, no one could get to the machines to tap on, so the majority of international students became fare evaders. LOL. This was typical of the way Dan’s departments ran in the socialist paradise.

    The light rail systems in Gold Coast, Adelaide, Newcastle and Canberra have been total flops as no one uses them. A case of one upmanship or my dick is bigger than yours. Keeping the inner city Greens happy as we aren’t apparently using cars. Hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone View Post
    The light rail systems in Gold Coast, Adelaide, Newcastle and Canberra have been total flops as no one uses them. A case of one upmanship or my dick is bigger than yours. Keeping the inner city Greens happy as we aren’t apparently using cars. Hahaha
    THe Gold Coast system is well patronised, I rode on it recently; so successful, they need to extend it.
    Adelaide's line has been around for almost 90 years, and recently upgraded, it just needs more development along the line to take advantage of it. Canberra's patronage is building up well, and will improve when the xtensions are built.
    Newcastle's is a flop, will only improve if it is extended.
    Sydney's eastern lines were carrying 1.5M per month prior to the lockdown, how is that not successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post

    Did it a few times to go to Kensington and enjoying the food there. Much easier than driving and looking for parking.

    May be it’s just me ?
    Enjoyed food in Kensington? I live there and very disappointed at the choices. Couple of good cafes, open til lunch time? Greasy take away chicken shop, couple of 7/11s, dodgy old Chinese place. Maybe you mean Kingsford?

    Lucky I've got a MILFy RnB shop nearby to amuse me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiegaigin View Post
    Enjoyed food in Kensington? I live there and very disappointed at the choices. Couple of good cafes, open til lunch time? Greasy take away chicken shop, couple of 7/11s, dodgy old Chinese place. Maybe you mean Kingsford?

    Lucky I've got a MILFy RnB shop nearby to amuse me.
    I always thought that section outside of UNSW is Kensington, it’s probably Kingsford.

    My favorite is Albee’s Kitchen !

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    Quote Originally Posted by AHLUNGOR View Post
    I always thought that section outside of UNSW is Kensington, it’s probably Kingsford.

    My favorite is Albee’s Kitchen !
    That's Kingsford. Kensington finishes at UNSW.

    Agree Albee's is great. It changed hands a few years ago, it was even better before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiegaigin View Post
    THe Gold Coast system is well patronised, I rode on it recently; so successful, they need to extend it.
    Adelaide's line has been around for almost 90 years, and recently upgraded, it just needs more development along the line to take advantage of it. Canberra's patronage is building up well, and will improve when the xtensions are built.
    Newcastle's is a flop, will only improve if it is extended.
    Sydney's eastern lines were carrying 1.5M per month prior to the lockdown, how is that not successful?
    Of course it's successful. Who wouldn't use a nice modern tram service if it was available in your neighbourhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiegaigin View Post
    That's Kingsford. Kensington finishes at UNSW.

    Agree Albee's is great. It changed hands a few years ago, it was even better before.
    I used to live a little further south of here.

    I'm taking a friend to eat at Kingsford on Sunday. Do you recommend anything? I was thinking the Indonesian restaurant ayam something

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpol View Post
    I used to live a little further south of here.

    I'm taking a friend to eat at Kingsford on Sunday. Do you recommend anything? I was thinking the Indonesian restaurant ayam something
    Ayam Goreng 99. Looks like it is still going.

    So many places closed or changed over the last couple of years due to lack of Asian students at UNSW. Haven't been down that way for while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone View Post
    Before Covid struck Melbourne, Dan’s ace transport planning department didn’t plan for over 150,000 international students living and working in the CBD and inner city areas and using trams everyday. The tram network just about collapsed. If there was a problem, Dan would just blame the private operator. It was impossible to get on a tram in the mornings or afternoons as they were so full. I would wait and wait for a tram on St.Kilda Road at 5.30pm before deciding to leg it. The other problem was that as the trams were so packed, no one could get to the machines to tap on, so the majority of international students became fare evaders. LOL. This was typical of the way Dan’s departments ran in the socialist paradise.

    The light rail systems in Gold Coast, Adelaide, Newcastle and Canberra have been total flops as no one uses them. A case of one upmanship or my dick is bigger than yours. Keeping the inner city Greens happy as we aren’t apparently using cars. Hahaha
    That's not a Melbourne or Dan issue. If you look at Sydney it's the same. Before Covid, every morning people would be fighting to get onto the lightrail from Central station. After office hours the same happens in the other direction. Many times ppl gave up and found that it was faster to just walk to their destination or take a bus or the normal train.

    Another note is why in this day and age are we still using such a old an outdated technology like trams ?? It takes forever to go from Central to Circular Quay. The same trip on normal trains would have ferried like 5 round trips and more easily. Plus underground trains won't cause any traffic accidents with cyclist, cars, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studsg View Post
    That's not a Melbourne or Dan issue. If you look at Sydney it's the same. Before Covid, every morning people would be fighting to get onto the lightrail from Central station. After office hours the same happens in the other direction. Many times ppl gave up and found that it was faster to just walk to their destination or take a bus or the normal train.

    Another note is why in this day and age are we still using such a old an outdated technology like trams ?? It takes forever to go from Central to Circular Quay. The same trip on normal trains would have ferried like 5 round trips and more easily. Plus underground trains won't cause any traffic accidents with cyclist, cars, etc.
    Trams are not "outdated", they're not useful in the current form because of the Govt's "vision". Their vision is a network made up of very few lines with huge trams running those lines, but that completely contradicts a lot of the benefits of using trams.

    The first benefit is the fact that the tracks are relatively easier to lay than other forms of transport.
    Compare the difficulty of laying an above ground tram track against digging a tunnel to lay an underground train track. Or compare it against setting up an elevated monorail line.

    The other benefit of trams is it is relatively easy to scale up the size of the transports on the lines. You want bigger trams to hold more people, you just scale up the trams and the power. With a monorail, you'd be constrained by the max load on the line itself. Underground trains are a different story though. There, you'd be looking at a negative constraint: the line would've been so costly to build, you would be hard pressed to justify running smaller trains on them.

    Last benefit of trams is they're not constrained by the method of power delivery. Sure, at the moment batteries and all that tech are not strong enough to power a tram, necessitating the need for overhead power lines. But, imagine if some time in the future the tech is good enough so that you can run trams on battery power, solar power or a combination of them. Then you wouldn't need power lines, all you need are good solid tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    Trams are not "outdated", they're not useful in the current form because of the Govt's "vision". Their vision is a network made up of very few lines with huge trams running those lines, but that completely contradicts a lot of the benefits of using trams.

    The first benefit is the fact that the tracks are relatively easier to lay than other forms of transport.
    Compare the difficulty of laying an above ground tram track against digging a tunnel to lay an underground train track. Or compare it against setting up an elevated monorail line.

    The other benefit of trams is it is relatively easy to scale up the size of the transports on the lines. You want bigger trams to hold more people, you just scale up the trams and the power. With a monorail, you'd be constrained by the max load on the line itself. Underground trains are a different story though. There, you'd be looking at a negative constraint: the line would've been so costly to build, you would be hard pressed to justify running smaller trains on them.

    Last benefit of trams is they're not constrained by the method of power delivery. Sure, at the moment batteries and all that tech are not strong enough to power a tram, necessitating the need for overhead power lines. But, imagine if some time in the future the tech is good enough so that you can run trams on battery power, solar power or a combination of them. Then you wouldn't need power lines, all you need are good solid tracks.
    And then if you took away the tracks too, you’d have…

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    Trams can run on batteries, but need boost charges at regular intervals along the lines. This can be done with overhead type connections at stops. The Newcastle line does this using super capacitors for storage which are flash-recharged in about 30-40 seconds at each stop.

    Batteries are not really power efffective because they are heavy and require up to 10% of their capacity to move their own weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post
    And then if you took away the tracks too, you’d have…
    you would have buses.

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