Sugar dating

[suckitbaby]

Oh I remember seeing Fit Tanya and Serena Lam on SA.

So there are probably a few WLs on there as a side gig.


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Definately going to see Selina Lam this year probably off Scarlet Blue though.

[juscruisin58]

Oh I remember seeing Fit Tanya and Serena Lam on SA.

So there are probably a few WLs on there as a side gig.


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One of the early SB's I met on SA was actually working at a high end Sydney massage establishment before they went to allowing full service, so she was doing full service on the side outside of her workplace.
I spent the night with her several times

[Sibon]

It's fun seeing a young girl who lives with her parents.

Got a call last night at 2:30am saying she was horny. So I drove over and we had car sex close to her place.

Cool. A bit like a romance movie I watch.

[BennyB]

Is that like a per meet up or a regular say 400/week?

How long did take you to find the arrangement?

Yeah I feel I would like to try to have such an arrangement, seems interesting. Issue is juggling the meet up I suppose since if you are not single, timing could be the challenge.

Hi @clausedd I've been sugar dating for some time. I am married and my wife is no longer interested in sex (new mum). I could go onto Tinder, or pick up girls in a bar, but I prefer this kind of dating as it allows me to keep things at arms length and have the illusion of a hot affair, with clear boundaries in place. I think of it as a step beyond a WL / ML that you see privately. I've tried that in the past and actively avoid it. Invariably you end up becoming someone's ATM and it ends in tears.

At the same time, I am not looking for just one woman to have an arrangement with. I love women and I enjoy variety. You could go down the approach of being with someone exclusively, but then you have to ask yourself what the purpose of the arrangement really is. Are you looking for a GF? If so, it is possible for an arrangement to turn into a relationship, but it is not common.

This leads me to your question on PPM vs. allowance. I've had girls on allowances ($1,000 per month) where, after 5-6 meets I'm convinced I want to see her 3-4 times a month and have a more sensible financial deal. Otherwise I prefer to start with PPM as it de-risks the arrangement on both sides.

As with timing - there are ways to build flexibility into your life and work, if you are prepared to think strategically. I'm married, with kids and work 50 hour weeks as a consultant. I usually punt twice a week in that timeframe (1 SB meet and 1 RNT)

[BennyB]

I spend $600 a week on a regular Chinese ML seeing her twice a week for 1 and half hours each time. She says she provides the Full Service only for me. I don't believe her and I don't care what she does with her customers. So it's $2,400 a month out of pockets for me.

Brother you're doing heaps better. I'm envious of you.

Thanks for the note and for sharing Sibon. I've been there and done that, so I can certainly sympathise. As I have always preferred European or Eurasian women, my brothel and private punting habits were proving expensive. And you know how it can go when they are fucking multiple guys a day or week - some days its great and some days not. And who really wants to fuck the same girl every week? The height of my stupidity was about four years ago when I was doing 3-4 hour sessions in a brothel with a girl I lost my head over. That cost me a pretty packet, but the lessons were wonderful in hindsight.

I've learned this much - we're kidding ourselves if we think MLs/WLs are only doing something with us. They are professionals. And like master persuaders, they make us feel like we are special. That's all part of the beautiful illusion. It's when we get sucked in and end up blowing our wallets that we rue the moment. But that's ok - it will happen to us and we just have to dust ourselves off and go again.

With Sugarbabes, the unique and wonderful characteristic is that they are not professionals. The ones I chase are just normal young women in their 20's who are sick of shit dates with guys their age, who are immature and who don't treat them with care. They want to feel special and they want to explore their bodies with someone more mature, confident and "who has their shit together". That last quote is what I hear time and again from the girls themselves and other Sugardaddies I know on the scene.

There is no harm in giving Sugarbabes a try. What's the downside?

[BennyB]

Sounds like youre onto a good thing there bro Benny. Mine are both caucs as well (aus and italian). Are you finding much of a difference in keeping things away from the Mrs between the brothels/privates and now with the SBs?

Hey Crusader - thanks for your note. Sounds like you enjoy European women as well. For me that's probably because I've worked in Europe over the years and spent too much time drooling in red light districts. I appreciate the guys who prefer Asian women and there are certainly some seriously hot Australian born Asians on the Sugarbabe sites - I've just never been as attracted and I think it is mainly because of the language barrier for me. The Asian SBs I've had have all been Australians.

Regarding keeping things separate - There is a very good book I read about a year ago called The Smoking Guide to Dating Sugarbabes - anyone is welcome to PM me about it. But the advice, which I took away, was very much about compartmentalising my life so that there is no cross over, keeping things simple and maintaining plausible deniability. A simple example - I never see a Sugarbabe near where I live and they never know my full name, place of work or have access to my socials. I keep it very separate. Those are the terms of my arrangements. We come together, we fall in love with the moment and then we say goodbye until the next time. It's a fantasy and that little bit of an escape from the normal dull routine of life is what makes it special for both of us - and protects both of us.

What mechanisms do you employ?

[BennyB]

Curious how you are spending $1600 per month and rotating 2 to 3 girls. This must mean you are on a paid to meet basis rather than weekly allowance for all 3 girls? I think either arrangement it still sounds cheap compared to what most girls on there ask for.

I think you must be going after the low hanging fruits, cause the good looking ones tend to ask for much more.

Hi Toysrus and thanks for your thoughts. I'm not sure if we can post photos on the site? I'm new to Au99 so don't want to breach site rules in my infancy.

I answered the PPM vs allowance question above. Something I forgot to mention is that I don't ever assume that PPMs are fixed. The most I have paid for a one off sex meet is $500 + the dinner we had that evening. My usual is $400 PPM and if she becomes a regular, I will aim to work to take that down to $300. I usually have one SB sex meet a week (4-6 hours) as I don't have the time for more and I get more value out of a longer session with one person than 2-3 sessions with multiple girls a week. What about you?

About pricing The market, particularly in Sydney has changed over the past six months, and there are a number of girls who are real chancers. The asks in many cases are just pure speculation. I just let them go. The more a woman is putting out in her public photos, the more hits she is getting from SDs and the more crazy the prices she will hearing. I am not on the site to be a price benchmark for her to maximise her revenue. Melbourne - the market is about 20% lower on PPM expectations and is in line with the GC and Brisbane. I should say that I punt across all states when borders are not sealed off, as I travel for business purposes.

I also never, ever talk PPM on SA / SDM and preferably only in person at a pre-meet.

Re low hanging fruit, I can't comment unless we share pics on our phones over a glass of wine? :-). In my search criteria I only look at slim or athletic profiles, 22 - 32. As I said, I avoid all the ones who are putting out. I'm not looking for professional sex workers or speculators.

What is your experience?

[BennyB]

My thoughts too, I pay $750 pw, ++ for one exclusive arrangement.
She probably costs me closer to $1k per week, when you factor in food, clothes, electricity etc, and she gets to use a car. She is with me 75% of the time, the rest she is at her parents at Tamworth.

Thanks for sharing that. I think it all comes down to the experience you want to have. I'm not looking for an exclusive arrangement as I prefer the variety, but respect what you have. It sounds a bit more like a relationship - is that how you see it?

[Riff888]

Do you have spare sheets or towel in the boot for car sex? Sometimes it can come in handy if the girl is a squirter and it's dark inside the car because you don't want to turn on the light.

Nah, just wet wipes

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[Jamit]

Hi Toysrus and thanks for your thoughts. I'm not sure if we can post photos on the site? I'm new to Au99 so don't want to breach site rules in my infancy.

I answered the PPM vs allowance question above. Something I forgot to mention is that I don't ever assume that PPMs are fixed. The most I have paid for a one off sex meet is $500 + the dinner we had that evening. My usual is $400 PPM and if she becomes a regular, I will aim to work to take that down to $300. I usually have one SB sex meet a week (4-6 hours) as I don't have the time for more and I get more value out of a longer session with one person than 2-3 sessions with multiple girls a week. What about you?

About pricing The market, particularly in Sydney has changed over the past six months, and there are a number of girls who are real chancers. The asks in many cases are just pure speculation. I just let them go. The more a woman is putting out in her public photos, the more hits she is getting from SDs and the more crazy the prices she will hearing. I am not on the site to be a price benchmark for her to maximise her revenue. Melbourne - the market is about 20% lower on PPM expectations and is in line with the GC and Brisbane. I should say that I punt across all states when borders are not sealed off, as I travel for business purposes.

I also never, ever talk PPM on SA / SDM and preferably only in person at a pre-meet.

Re low hanging fruit, I can't comment unless we share pics on our phones over a glass of wine? :-). In my search criteria I only look at slim or athletic profiles, 22 - 32. As I said, I avoid all the ones who are putting out. I'm not looking for professional sex workers or speculators.

What is your experience?

Wow. Life in Australia is so financialised these days. No more punching above your weight due to luck or charm. Rather you are expected to pass due diligence before any one off or recurrent interfacing.

Forever thus. Remember reading Wild Swans and struck by the Chinese general who supported 32 concubines as well as his knowing wife

[BennyB]

Full credit to the guys here that can maintain the weekly arrangements here! Particularly Riff, juscruisin, Crusader who have struck gold!

For a different perspective I’m more of a PPM guy, and usually limit it to once a month and have two girls from SA that I’m actively in touch with and rotate between the two. I have too many commitments at home to sustain an ongoing arrangement and I would feel obliged to have to schedule time to meet them and that’s not as fun as the spontaneous PPM nature. It will still allow me to visit shops in between and have a bit of variety. That’s just me personally and of course everyone’s boat floats differently.

It’s definitely a bitch to find the right girl on SA weeding through all the crap and finding one that you like and it works both ways for the girls as well. The girls I’m touch with are not stunners but the chemistry and GFE more than makes up for it and nothing a shop girl can replicate without 000s in investment - but there was a good few months lead time to go all the way. SA girls I’ve chatted are more inclined to go with westerners as they are less likely to be attached and they are straight to the point to make a transaction happen and more likely to be generous, and Sydney’s definitely a tougher market compared other cities like Brisbane.

That being said I’m open to new opportunities and have signed up with RHP and SDM to see what it’s like. SDM looks promising and better value than SA.

Happy to share experiences over DM

It sounds like you have a good groove going and it is fitting in with your lifestyle, which I always think it should. I agree that it can be a process panning for gold on the Sugarbabe sites. Unlike some of the other dating sites, there is generally a clear expectation that we are paying for sex without any strings attached (apart from the small number of doe-eyed bambi types who think guy will hand out banknotes for their charming company...) so that helps.

I quite enjoy the banter on SA / SDM?

[BennyB]

Wow. Life in Australia is so financialised these days. No more punching above your weight due to luck or charm. Rather you are expected to pass due diligence before any one off or recurrent interfacing.

Forever thus. Remember reading Wild Swans and struck by the Chinese general who supported 32 concubines as well as his knowing wife

I've had some experiences where it becomes FWB and about experiences - a day spa, restaurants they want to go to, tickets to things, weekends away. I have not read Wild Swans, but it sounds like there may be some good lessons in it. Presumably the General had more than just luck or charm going for him?

[juscruisin58]

Thanks for sharing that. I think it all comes down to the experience you want to have. I'm not looking for an exclusive arrangement as I prefer the variety, but respect what you have. It sounds a bit more like a relationship - is that how you see it?

I guess when I met Violet, and worked out she was a bit different to the others I'd met, I became a bit greedy and decided I was going to keep her to myself.
Mmm relationship ?? Good question, because we have been seeing each other for nearly 2 years and it could be seen as a De Facto relationship and all the hassles that go with that if we were to split, we are entering into a written agreement.
I think she'd be open to a relationship, Ive just got to get my head around it.
In the mean time we have become very close friends.

[BennyB]

I guess when I met Violet, and worked out she was a bit different to the others I'd met, I became a bit greedy and decided I was going to keep her to myself.
Mmm relationship ?? Good question, because we have been seeing each other for nearly 2 years and it could be seen as a De Facto relationship and all the hassles that go with that if we were to split, we are entering into a written agreement.
I think she'd be open to a relationship, Ive just got to get my head around it.
In the mean time we have become very close friends.

It sounds like you are in a good place. I assume you have no private home life to contend with? Does she have a career of her own?

[TheHonDominicPinochet]

It sounds like you are in a good place. I assume you have no private home life to contend with? Does she have a career of her own?

This sounds like a good place??? This sb thing sounds pretty fucked to me. And guys complaining that these girls are just in it for the money need to take a good look at themselves!

[juscruisin58]

It sounds like you are in a good place. I assume you have no private home life to contend with? Does she have a career of her own?

Yeah, in a good place in life finally.
Nup, no private home life to worry about, been divorced 10 yrs and my 2 adult daughters are estranged.
My SB finished a degree in Criminal Psychology last year and is having a year off before starting her Masters and then on to a Phd, with my full support.

[juscruisin58]

This sounds like a good place??? This sb thing sounds pretty fucked to me. And guys complaining that these girls are just in it for the money need to take a good look at themselves!

I'd like to understand on what real world experience and research you base your comments.

[BennyB]

Yeah, in a good place in life finally.
Nup, no private home life to worry about, been divorced 10 yrs and my 2 adult daughters are estranged.
My SB finished a degree in Criminal Psychology last year and is having a year off before starting her Masters and then on to a Phd, with my full support.

I'm sorry to hear about the past. I have my own story, so can empathise.

It sounds like you are both aligned in your thinking about the current arrangement you have?

The women I look to date on the SB sites are the ones who have their own independent lives and see this as a bit of a fun distraction on the side. I don't see any reason why an arrangement can't become a relationship - life is mutable and so are the interactions we have with the people who we choose to spend our time with. As long as you are both honest and open with the hopes and fears you have? We all need a little kindness and empathy for each other if we are treading a path that not everyone else understands.

As for peanut gallery comments on here - I did notice you respond. I generally avoid the gaslighters who want to start an argument. That's not why I am here.

[colin.oscopy]

I am in my mid 50s and very well presented as I am a swimmer. Prior to covid I had regular Asian girls girlfriends between 19 and 30 with most of them being overseas students. I guess in a way I was a sugar daddy but money was never exchanged. I was even dating 2 friends who were comfortable with that.

I occasionally dined them and took them to movies and other outings. Occasionally I would assist them with university work such as maths or proof reading. Never once did I pay for anything and infact one of them was rich that she would pay everything including buying me an LV bag.

Most of them have moved on and settled down here or in china but still keep in contact. I have probably dated over 50 students but occasionally I did punt also at times because I did enjoy the idea of pay and go.
Since covid things have been quiet but I have adjusted. Say safe

[dotcumdotinyou]

You just need to be careful, 2 years together is generally when its accepted as a defacto relationship BUT there are circumstances where the court could rule that its less than 2 years for a property settlement. Could be entering a mine field.