Sugar dating

[rooter]

I don’t get the sugar daddy thing.
Seems to me like it has all the disadvantages of relationships and punting without any of the benefits.
It’s basically prostitution, no matter how much you sugar coat it, but without the benefits of prostitution.
And it has all the hassles of a relationship but without the benefits of a genuine relationship.

[Vader]

You just need to be careful, 2 years together is generally when its accepted as a defacto relationship BUT there are circumstances where the court could rule that its less than 2 years for a property settlement. Could be entering a mine field.

You don't even have to live together and the 2 years you talk about went out the window years ago.

[dotcumdotinyou]

That's why I said you could be entering a mine field, especially older SDs with assets.

[Double_Adapter]

I don’t get the sugar daddy thing.
Seems to me like it has all the disadvantages of relationships and punting without any of the benefits.
It’s basically prostitution, no matter how much you sugar coat it, but without the benefits of prostitution.
And it has all the hassles of a relationship but without the benefits of a genuine relationship.

+1

You hit the nail on the head Mr Rooter, it’s a form of prostitution with a sugar twist added to it.
Sugar Babies, Sugar Daddies, Sugar Mamma’s, Gold Diggers etc is known as acculturated prostitution in the manosphere world ie an indirect form of prostitution which sidesteps any stigmas associated with the direct form of prostitution ie is seen as more socially acceptable. Ultimately no woman/man wants to be labelled a whore or a prostitute so calling it a SB, SD, SM has a more appealing ring to it and is socially acceptable.

Either way we are all prostitutes in some kind of way, we sell our health, bodies, skills, abilities, talents, intelligence for money so we can make a living.

An interesting thread with great and insightful contributions from all members….

[cuteguy]

+1

You hit the nail on the head Mr Rooter, it’s a form of prostitution with a sugar twist added to it.
Sugar Babies, Sugar Daddies, Sugar Mamma’s, Gold Diggers etc is known as acculturated prostitution in the manosphere world ie an indirect form of prostitution which sidesteps any stigmas associated with the direct form of prostitution ie is seen as more socially acceptable. Ultimately no woman/man wants to be labelled a whore or a prostitute so calling it a SB, SD, SM has a more appealing ring to it and is socially acceptable.

Either way we are all prostitutes in some kind of way, we sell our health, bodies, skills, abilities, talents, intelligence for money so we can make a living.

An interesting thread with great and insightful contributions from all members….

Of course it is a form of prostitution where there is an exchange of payment for services. The person providing the service will always deny they are working as a prostitute. Some will say they don't provide any sexual service. Would the person receiving the service not want to have sexual service from the person providing the service? Highly unlikely unless you're old and something doesn't work downstairs. Anyway these service providers want to glamorise this concept of providing a service to a person that requires it but at the same time, do not want to be labelled as a WL or prostitute. They won't change my opinion.

[Sibon]

Whatever the arrangement as long as the man and the girl are happy it's a happy match (at least to me).

One day I hope to have an opportunity to have tea with juscruisin58 and his SB and see for my own eyes this happy couple. I'm an eternal romantic and optimistic. I think their relationship could see through until and beyond his SB getting her PhD.

[Double_Adapter]

Whatever the arrangement as long as the man and the girl are happy it's a happy match (at least to me).

One day I hope to have an opportunity to have tea with juscruisin58 and his SB and see for my own eyes this happy couple. I'm an eternal romantic and optimistic. I think their relationship could see through until and beyond his SB getting her PhD.

I think everybody here wants a happy ending. Though some are after that elusive fairytale ending ergo why this forum exists.

[Joejohnson8]

Anyone seen that sugar dating doc on Stan? There was an Indian scammer who took advantage of the girls with bouncing payments and relies on them being too ashamed to report it. Apparently serial

[storry_teller]

Anyone seen that sugar dating doc on Stan? There was an Indian scammer who took advantage of the girls with bouncing payments and relies on them being too ashamed to report it. Apparently serial

Such a scumbag!

[GoldfishMan]

You just need to be careful, 2 years together is generally when its accepted as a defacto relationship BUT there are circumstances where the court could rule that its less than 2 years for a property settlement. Could be entering a mine field.

It’s not so straightforward as “she or he was your de facto partner therefore they get half of everything”. The other party has to prove that simply being in the relationship, having to handle whatever responsibilities she’s been given for the household (such as raising a child), has resulted in her not being able to support herself once she has left the relationship. In other words, she must prove that she has become completely reliant on the relationship to live. This is easily provable for a person who used to work but then left the workforce at some point for the family, not so easy for a person who’s never worked or hardly ever did.

But I agree about it being a legal minefield. Best not to even have to deal with it.

[BennyB]

I am in my mid 50s and very well presented as I am a swimmer. Prior to covid I had regular Asian girls girlfriends between 19 and 30 with most of them being overseas students. I guess in a way I was a sugar daddy but money was never exchanged. I was even dating 2 friends who were comfortable with that.

I occasionally dined them and took them to movies and other outings. Occasionally I would assist them with university work such as maths or proof reading. Never once did I pay for anything and infact one of them was rich that she would pay everything including buying me an LV bag.

Most of them have moved on and settled down here or in china but still keep in contact. I have probably dated over 50 students but occasionally I did punt also at times because I did enjoy the idea of pay and go.
Since covid things have been quiet but I have adjusted. Say safe

Those sound like interesting stories and more like what the original concept of a SugarDaddy was meant to be. Where do you find your supply of students out of curiosity?

[BennyB]

There are a few questions around why Sugarbabes? Why not just pick a GF or a professional SW?

For those who are interested, I’ll give you my take on it from the perspective of 3 years of pretty much full time Sugarbabe punting.

Firstly, I am not exclusive with anyone and I will never aim to be. I do currently have more than one Sugarbabe I see and prefer to keep it that way.

Before I came across Sugarbabes, I spent much of my hard earned cash on Locanto, Frontpage, E&B and Scarlet Blue. I experienced the highs and the lows of these platforms and while I did have some good experiences, my punts were largely hit and miss. "Thats why it's punting" I would be told with a knowing shrug. But what if it did not have to be?

What led me down the path of Sugarbabes was an experience I had in Canada back in 2018. It with an Agency girl who had been in the game for all of a week. We spent a raunchy, sex fueled long-weekend for comparatively very little money. It wasn't a one hour escort hook-up and it wasn't an affair. It was like a hybrid of the two and I frankly wanted more experiences like it. As I’m married, I don’t want the risks of an affair, but I like 4+ hour sessions and it’s too expensive to do that with Caucasian privates. So what other options were out there?

After my trip abroad, I jumped back into the world of private escorts and brothels as that was all I knew in Australia. I found myself bumping up against three nagging disappointments:

Time clock and rate card - Sex with a private or in a brothel is all about the rate card and the clock. You cannot escape them. I personally prefer longer experiences where two people are immersed in their fun and the pricing is not dependent on time. Call me old fashioned, but I like a little wine, seduction and foreplay before multiple rounds of sex. I also like to shower and cuddle together with a gorgeous, interesting woman afterwards.

The bait and switch - its happened so many times with escorts for me to go back. I find it's not just in the Asian market anymore as anyone can photoshop their images, or post a photo of themselves from an old photo shoot. I like to meet a woman for a coffee, or a drink before deciding if we are both attracted to each other enough to want to go ahead and sleep with each other.

The sex worker routine - being in a queue of guys a WL is servicing that day, the wet shower doormat from the previous guy, health checks, taking my money before the service is provided, setting the clock by the bedside table, upselling me in the middle of it, the half hearted kissing (DFK anyone?), trying to get me to cum as quick as she can. These are all passion killers for me.

If you ask "Why bother with Sugarbabes - I could just have an affair?" or, “I could go onto Tinder for that and get it for free?”, well those are good questions and these are my responses:

1. Competition - There is more male competition in a bar than on a Sugarbabe platform. When you are over 40, picking up a 20-something hot woman in a bar is no longer as easy as it used to be. Even if you are under 40, you are up against a lot of competition. On the Sugarbabe platforms its 4:1 (girls to guys) and that's worth thinking about.​
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2. It's not a relationship - Dating Sugarbabes is not like having an affair and I’m thankful for that. Having an affair would be disastrous for me - I would probably fall in love, or get caught. I’m a romantic and like to play that role in my arrangements. Most Sugarbabes, if properly vetted, are not looking to be your mistress or your next relationship. You set the consensual boundaries that work for you and that forms the basis of your arrangement. How many 20-something girls have you met in a bar who are looking for a no-strings, no-risk affair with a 40+ guy?​

3. Tinder and other dating sites are too risky - I’ve found too many friends and co-workers on these sites. If you are married or partnered, you can’t run the risk of showing your face. It’s counterproductive as, if you don’t show your face, then its assumed you are just looking for a hook-up or an affair. On Sugarbabe platforms, the women don’t expect you to show your face as they know the deal and they understand your need for discretion.​

In summary I see that the Sugarbabe platforms offer me this:

1. discretion;
2. a regular stream of new, hot young women that I can authenticate in person before I spend;
3. A fun, lighthearted and potentially ongoing connection without a relationship; and
4. Great value for money when I’m spending 4-6 hours with them (and sometimes away on business trips for days at a time)

It may not be for everyone, but for me I have had a lot of fun over the years and still am. I just wish I had figured this out earlier in my life.

[Vader]

It’s not so straightforward as “she or he was your de facto partner therefore they get half of everything”. The other party has to prove that simply being in the relationship, having to handle whatever responsibilities she’s been given for the household (such as raising a child), has resulted in her not being able to support herself once she has left the relationship. In other words, she must prove that she has become completely reliant on the relationship to live. This is easily provable for a person who used to work but then left the workforce at some point for the family, not so easy for a person who’s never worked or hardly ever did.

But I agree about it being a legal minefield. Best not to even have to deal with it.

Some of what you are saying here Mr GFM is incorrect under the law.

[BlackToad]

I don’t get the sugar daddy thing.
Seems to me like it has all the disadvantages of relationships and punting without any of the benefits.
It’s basically prostitution, no matter how much you sugar coat it, but without the benefits of prostitution.
And it has all the hassles of a relationship but without the benefits of a genuine relationship.

This is exactly correct. It’s like hiring a WL specifically so they can be a pain the arse for you.

[kiddoh]

There are a few questions around why Sugarbabes? Why not just pick a GF or a professional SW?

For those who are interested, I’ll give you my take on it from the perspective of 3 years of pretty much full time Sugarbabe punting.

Firstly, I am not exclusive with anyone and I will never aim to be. I do currently have more than one Sugarbabe I see and prefer to keep it that way.

Before I came across Sugarbabes, I spent much of my hard earned cash on Locanto, Frontpage, E&B and Scarlet Blue. I experienced the highs and the lows of these platforms and while I did have some good experiences, my punts were largely hit and miss. "Thats why it's punting" I would be told with a knowing shrug. But what if it did not have to be?

What led me down the path of Sugarbabes was an experience I had in Canada back in 2018. It with an Agency girl who had been in the game for all of a week. We spent a raunchy, sex fueled long-weekend for comparatively very little money. It wasn't a one hour escort hook-up and it wasn't an affair. It was like a hybrid of the two and I frankly wanted more experiences like it. As I’m married, I don’t want the risks of an affair, but I like 4+ hour sessions and it’s too expensive to do that with Caucasian privates. So what other options were out there?

After my trip abroad, I jumped back into the world of private escorts and brothels as that was all I knew in Australia. I found myself bumping up against three nagging disappointments:

Time clock and rate card - Sex with a private or in a brothel is all about the rate card and the clock. You cannot escape them. I personally prefer longer experiences where two people are immersed in their fun and the pricing is not dependent on time. Call me old fashioned, but I like a little wine, seduction and foreplay before multiple rounds of sex. I also like to shower and cuddle together with a gorgeous, interesting woman afterwards.

The bait and switch - its happened so many times with escorts for me to go back. I find it's not just in the Asian market anymore as anyone can photoshop their images, or post a photo of themselves from an old photo shoot. I like to meet a woman for a coffee, or a drink before deciding if we are both attracted to each other enough to want to go ahead and sleep with each other.

The sex worker routine - being in a queue of guys a WL is servicing that day, the wet shower doormat from the previous guy, health checks, taking my money before the service is provided, setting the clock by the bedside table, upselling me in the middle of it, the half hearted kissing (DFK anyone?), trying to get me to cum as quick as she can. These are all passion killers for me.

If you ask "Why bother with Sugarbabes - I could just have an affair?" or, “I could go onto Tinder for that and get it for free?”, well those are good questions and these are my responses:

1. Competition - There is more male competition in a bar than on a Sugarbabe platform. When you are over 40, picking up a 20-something hot woman in a bar is no longer as easy as it used to be. Even if you are under 40, you are up against a lot of competition. On the Sugarbabe platforms its 4:1 (girls to guys) and that's worth thinking about.​
​
2. It's not a relationship - Dating Sugarbabes is not like having an affair and I’m thankful for that. Having an affair would be disastrous for me - I would probably fall in love, or get caught. I’m a romantic and like to play that role in my arrangements. Most Sugarbabes, if properly vetted, are not looking to be your mistress or your next relationship. You set the consensual boundaries that work for you and that forms the basis of your arrangement. How many 20-something girls have you met in a bar who are looking for a no-strings, no-risk affair with a 40+ guy?​

3. Tinder and other dating sites are too risky - I’ve found too many friends and co-workers on these sites. If you are married or partnered, you can’t run the risk of showing your face. It’s counterproductive as, if you don’t show your face, then its assumed you are just looking for a hook-up or an affair. On Sugarbabe platforms, the women don’t expect you to show your face as they know the deal and they understand your need for discretion.​

In summary I see that the Sugarbabe platforms offer me this:

1. discretion;
2. a regular stream of new, hot young women that I can authenticate in person before I spend;
3. A fun, lighthearted and potentially ongoing connection without a relationship; and
4. Great value for money when I’m spending 4-6 hours with them (and sometimes away on business trips for days at a time)

It may not be for everyone, but for me I have had a lot of fun over the years and still am. I just wish I had figured this out earlier in my life.

Another elaborate viewpoint! Guess we have lot of SDs here.

I do agree it’s all about the experience we want to have… I do trend to extend the session to have some good fun but that’s me It’s always a hit or miss not sure with SBs

Has anyone faced any issues. All we are hearing is a good case scenario!!

[BennyB]

I had some sub par experiences when I first started out. Sometimes paid too much (in hindsight), or tried to go straight to sex without a pre-meet because I was so eager and then found out the girl wasn’t compatible in bed. It’s all experience. The book I mentioned previously was really helpful.

[konfuzion]

I had some sub par experiences when I first started out. Sometimes paid too much (in hindsight), or tried to go straight to sex without a pre-meet because I was so eager and then found out the girl wasn’t compatible in bed. It’s all experience. The book I mentioned previously was really helpful.

You only post about sugar baby you work for tnt and want to sell subscribe and book???

[BennyB]

You only post about sugar baby you work for tnt and want to sell subscribe and book???

What a strange accusation. I don’t work for anyone. I do have my own business, but I can’t offer you a job sorry.

I’m a member of lots of forums - here in Australia and in the UK and Canada. Where ever I have worked and lived, I have punted and joined forums.

Every forum I am a member of, I joined for free and have freely contributed. I actually posted on other subjects here as well - about ten other threads but got no real responses. The most interest has been on this thread. I’ve responded to the questions I have been asked and in great detail. What have you contributed to the discussion?

Every book I have purchased on dating women and dating Sugarbabes, I have paid for - in hard copy or eBook. I just happen to recommend this one particular book as it helped me get better at Sugarbabe punting when there was very little other information out there (and the stuff I’ve bought on Amazon was either crap or unsuited to the Australian market).

As I explained above, I used to punt in a lot of brothels and with privates. I came on here looking for more Sugarbabe intel and to share my own experiences. I think I’ve been pretty open about why I punt Sugarbabes and what helped me. If you’re interested in Sugarbabes, then feel free to use my advice. If not, feel free to ignore it.

What is your Sugarbabe experience and what can you constructively contribute, if anything, to this conversation?

[konfuzion]

What a strange accusation. I don’t work for anyone. I do have my own business, but I can’t offer you a job sorry.

I’m a member of lots of forums - here in Australia and in the UK and Canada. Where ever I have worked and lived, I have punted and joined forums.

Every forum I am a member of, I joined for free and have freely contributed. I actually posted on other subjects here as well - about ten other threads but got no real responses. The most interest has been on this thread. I’ve responded to the questions I have been asked and in great detail. What have you contributed to the discussion?

Every book I have purchased on dating women and dating Sugarbabes, I have paid for - in hard copy or eBook. I just happen to recommend this one particular book as it helped me get better at Sugarbabe punting when there was very little other information out there (and the stuff I’ve bought on Amazon was either crap or unsuited to the Australian market).

As I explained above, I used to punt in a lot of brothels and with privates. I came on here looking for more Sugarbabe intel and to share my own experiences. I think I’ve been pretty open about why I punt Sugarbabes and what helped me. If you’re interested in Sugarbabes, then feel free to use my advice. If not, feel free to ignore it.

What is your Sugarbabe experience and what can you constructively contribute, if anything, to this conversation?

This wl/ml bro you have any Intel on that?

[BennyB]

Out of courtesy, I will PM you. Happy to share intel with you if you would like to share with me.