Sugarbabes - Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast markets

[DrBean]

Yes. Punters also take the consequences seriously. But SB has additional risks. There are infinitely more things to be careful about with an SB if your private reputation must remain clean. Most WLs don't have our full names or mobile phone numbers. Hell, most WLs don't know even our real first names. Anonymity has major advantages for some

So for example, do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What do you tell her if she wants to put your face photo on her insta feed, do you care? What I'd she likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?

My mate had this issue: A few years after they stopped dating, a SB wrote an entry on a forum about him with his first and last name and some identifying facts about his workplace, that shows up on a Google search of his name.

Ah I see. That sounds like an arrangement that went beyond casual dating - more like a long term relationship. I don’t get into anything of a serious nature or let feelings into it. I only see women who don’t want anything serious.

[Bobbyvxxxx]

You are describing short term sex and adventures with younger ladies which comes with a price.
Sounds like expensive friend with benefits

I imagine most women want to know more details and their friends don't hesitate to find out more online about you if they like you.
But of course not, just being paranoid right?

Yes i think you are, conduct your own due diligence before meeting in person and try to avoid the crazies, scammers, platonic timewasters, and you will soon find they don't want to get involved in your personal life

So on average would you meet a lady 1-3 times on average?
I'm not judging, just getting the full picture

Do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What if she accidentally likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?

No, you use an anonymous messaging app like KIK


End of the day we can all keep talking and running around in circles, but as i always say, try something first then give your own opinion on it good or bad, to each their own etc

[charliejhd]

Might be slightly off-topic but has anyone done any arrangements overseas? I checked out the market for Japan due to an upcoming trip and I was super disappointed just to see tourist/non natives & basically zero Japanese people.
SA just might be no good for Japan is there any better alternatives for that type of things over there?

[Riff888]

Might be slightly off-topic but has anyone done any arrangements overseas? I checked out the market for Japan due to an upcoming trip and I was super disappointed just to see tourist/non natives & basically zero Japanese people.
SA just might be no good for Japan is there any better alternatives for that type of things over there?

Mate, I found WeChat's people nearby feature worked well the last time I was in Japan.

Works best around Tokyo.

[thelastdance]

You sound very paranoid. Have you been caught before? Are you famous and need to protect your identity? Just go with the flow. I can tell you most sb I’ve met have divulged their own personal details before I have. And as everyone is saying they have just as much motivation as you to keep it discrete.

I met one girl who worked in my industry and was a new grad. She knows where I work and I know where she works. Both of us don’t want anyone knowing this. Why would we? So why would we sabotage each other?

I use my normal phone and my name once we meet in person and I think they are ok. If she is a complete nutcase, she is going to be that way anyway and will probably go to great lengths to find that stuff out in which case you should ask yourself how you ended up there in the first place. Just don’t pick bunny boilers.

[charliejhd]

Mate, I found WeChat's people nearby feature worked well the last time I was in Japan.

Works best around Tokyo.

Sounds easy.. any websites too?

[DrBean]

I’ve been sugaring for over ten years and have never experienced any of the issues you suggest Chariot.

I can’t believe I’m that lucky. I do think I have decent judgement in the women I choose.

I’ve also not had an STI. Maybe I’m doing something right?

[DrBean]

You are describing short term sex and adventures with younger ladies which comes with a price.
Sounds like expensive friend with benefits

I imagine most women want to know more details and their friends don't hesitate to find out more online about you if they like you.
But of course not, just being paranoid right?

So on average would you meet a lady 1-3 times on average?
I'm not judging, just getting the full picture

Do you give your SB your primary mobile phone number, and after how many dates do you give a SB your real first and last name?
What if she accidentally likes your photo on Facebook, does that matter?

Meets - between 1-10x on average
Usually a few girls ongoing at a time
Longest has been 14 months
Yes they know my name, where I work, what I do, my number once I’m comfortable I can trust them
Expensive FWB - some of them have become FWB over time with no PPM.
Paranoid - perhaps you are. Perhaps you have had some terrible experiences? Or perhaps you only see disaster. Perhaps your posture is holding you back. No judgement from me either. I’m happy with this life.

[DrBean]

Punting should make you happy.
I don’t think SBs will make you happy though.

[andrewv]

Since noone else is discussing the potential risks of sugar baby relationships I spent a very short time on Google (5 minutes):

Can you be 100% sure your SB isn’t married and the husband might do you some harm? (Horny SB problem)

Could your SB could be pregnant already and tell you it’s yours. At least ten different ways this can disrupt your life (pregnant and desperate SB problem)

A sugar daddy picked up the entire flora and fauna from a sugar babe and gave it to his fiancee. Sex without a condom is the norm with a SB (diseased SB with no safe sex practised problem). If you are paying $500-1000 for a friends with expensive benefits arrangement, you are not going to be using condoms, right?

https://onlineforlove.com/sugar-daddy-horror-stories/

Let's talk about alternatives to punting, but don't just present 1 side to it

Meanwhile a punt with a WL at Ginza or N5M or any shop, you get great sex and the WL has no knowledge of your real name, your job, your car licence number or your personal details

It is clear from your risk analysis that sugarbabies are not a good option for you, which is fine. But many of us are OK with it and there is room for everyone to take or avoid whatever risks they like. No real need to do a PhD on the subject. No hard feelings. Let's move on.

[Jacxz7]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

[Bobbyvxxxx]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Depends, how old are you?

What sort of pictures do you have on your profile?

What sort of bio do you have on your profile?

Are you asking them the ppm amount straight off the bat on the platform itself or are you inviting them out for a drink in person and discussing in person?

[Aussieguyinsf]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Yes, that’s very much my experience. I’ve met a couple of hot ABCs and they want $800-$1000 like the Caucasians

[curiousgeorge1023]

Keen to know your insight please? I found the PPM rates $400-500 is toward more asian. Rarely I can get Caucassian for that. Usually their opening rates is high like $800-$1k, negotiating down to $400-500 is very hard. Any negotiation tips ??

Let's start with what kind of profile you are looking for? If you are messaging SB's with Victoria Secret /model looks, forget it. There's a plethora of options though, you just need to ' widen ' your search parameters.

[Jacxz7]

Yes, that’s very much my experience. I’ve met a couple of hot ABCs and they want $800-$1000 like the Caucasians

I did get a few successes, but the trick is I need to have dinner with them first. Build the connection, and ask “what do you think our next step will be?” Then they opening around $500-600 for 3-4hours ppm, which I can negotiate down.

The thing is not everyone want dinner, some of them want to straight to the room

[Putter]

So you give them $300 to accompany you for dinner?

[ditchtheboss]

I never pay for dinner, I always get to business straight away

[Jacxz7]

So you give them $300 to accompany you for dinner?

Nope, I didn’t pay them for dinner and never will. What I’m saying is I can negotiate the price down for caucassian girls using dinner as entry point.

Normally without dinner, they quote $800-1000. But if I invited them to dinner, sweet talk, sell them the dreams, then asked the price tag, they usually quoted $600-800. At this stage, I can bring down to around $500 ppm, 3 - 4 hours.

Please re-read again my post for full context

[Aussieguyinsf]

“I will consider having a coffee date if you can gift me 300 as I get asked to go on dates on a regular basis. For me to take you seriously I will need to be taken care of right from the beginning x”

[thelastdance]

Nope, I didn’t pay them for dinner and never will. What I’m saying is I can negotiate the price down for caucassian girls using dinner as entry point.

Normally without dinner, they quote $800-1000. But if I invited them to dinner, sweet talk, sell them the dreams, then asked the price tag, they usually quoted $600-800. At this stage, I can bring down to around $500 ppm, 3 - 4 hours.

Please re-read again my post for full context

I agree with this approach. I use it too. Works well rather than just treating them like escorts.