Reply With QuoteWatching too much porn can desensitise you in that you can't get turned on during sexual encounters.Originally Posted by V2539
Try a blindfold, watching porn has obviously screwed up your visual sensory receptors
Watching too much porn can desensitise you in that you can't get turned on during sexual encounters.
Not a bad idea, from a sensory perspective it has been suggested many times that when blindfolded responses to touch and sense of smell are increased (even if this is only imagined and not backed by any real evidence), as well as providing a unique sexy experience (with the right girl).
It's not unusual at all, its actually quite common (there's heaps of threads on reddit) where guys have watched too much porn to the point where it has desensitized real life sexual encounters. Not to mention death grip.
Again, I'll be trying to avoid identifiable info, not really meant to be an AR, more of a journal. (Feel free to PM if you'd like to exchange some info though.)
2nd Punt, Experienced C ML
This is my 2nd punt with an older and more experienced Chinese ML a few days after my disappointing first punt.
Prelude:
So as described in my previous recollection, after my disappointing first punt and reflecting on why it likely was a fail for me (too much wanking and possibly nerves) I decided to go for a punt with an ML. Less "performance pressure", cheaper price so I could potentially do it more often and build up experience and 1st part massage sounds nice to relax and help with stiff back from sitting at a computer all day.
I begin my abstinence from wanking and look for an opportunity to visit an ML. I get my opportunity mid-week after hours, 3 days after the first punt and 3 days of no fap. As some people have suggested here, I assumed the issue might due in part to lower tier service from a less experienced WL and a more experienced ML might get me off easier so I contact mamasan at the RnT I was planning on going to and ask for recommendations for girls with good message skills. I cross reference the profiles on the website, mostly ignoring the pictures (which aren't very clear anyway) and I decide to go with girl that has the best English in the hope that it will make communicating what I want easier.
I confirm my booking with mamasan that morning and after work I head in for my booking which is last session of the day.
The Session
I walk in and run into another punter before mamasan and papasan quickly direct me to a private waiting room. After a few minutes in the cubicle, mamasan takes me back out and takes my money before calling out the ML. I note mamasan seems very professional and down to business, she again endorses the ML I'm going with as having excellent massage.
I'm directed by the ML to a very large spacious room with a massage table in the middle and a shower on the side. We have some small talk while I strip down and wash my body.
The Girl:
The girl isn't the most attractive woman I've seen. Not repulsive but definitely a tier or 2 down from the first Korean model WL, pretty "average". Profile had her as Chinese but she seemed a bit more Vietnamese to me though could be one of the more southern Chinese ethnicities.
Age Appearance: 30s early-mid. Most noteworthy thing is she definitely looks/feels a good bit older than me, by no means "mature" but from my perspective probably a bit older which is a bit of a turn off for me.
Face: 6/10 Nothing "wrong" with her face but not particularly my type. Pretty average. Would describe small, round "cute" type but a lot of my early-mid 30s impression of her age was from her face.
Body: 4/10* Not obese or anything majorly wrong with her body but she wore her dress the whole time, likely because she had things to hide. Though even through she dress it was clear she wasn't particularly slim or curvy in a nice way. She also had a bunch of splotching looking marks on her skin (not open sores but darker uneven patches) that made me think of cigarette burns but checking photos of actual cigarette burns I think it's likely something else.
Height: 160cm Definitely a good bit smaller than the first WL though she
Boobs: B+ on the small side but still there. Again not much of a boobs person so I don't care that much.
Ass: 6/10 Again because she was wearing her dress most of the time I didn't get to see much of it till the end but I'd rate pretty "average". Nothing wrong but not particularly attractive either. It was smooth, clean and hair free at least.
Communication: 8/10 Her English was pretty solid but not quite native level. Communicating what I wanted to do and what she asked me to do didn't have any hitches but small talk and more free conversation was awkward because she couldn't understand some stuff.
Not really the most attractive woman so I mostly tried to keep my eyes closed and use my imagination a bit while enjoying the massage lol.
Part 1
Part 1 was probably the best part. Great normal massage. Nice strong pressure when I requested it, definitely experienced. Really helped release some tense back muscles. My back still feeling noticeably better a few days after. She also got on top of my back and rubbed me. Feeling her butt and groin rubbing against be while she massaged had me turned on. She also did some more gentle massage of my arms and legs and even fingers which felt really nice too. Mamasan didn't lie about a good massage.
After about 20-30 min of massage she moved onto playing closer to my crotch and butt crack before asking me to turn over where we got started with part 2.
Part 2
I turn over and she starts some gentle kissing of my body. Starting from my chest and going down to my balls. She then starts tugging me off for a while. It feels pretty unstimulating again and after a bit I get less hard. She get me to open my eyes and look at her (not super arousing either lol) she also tries some dirty talk but again not super appealing or convincing if anything gets and awkward laugh from me. She pulls her tits out and gets me to grope them which is a bit of fun but again not the most amazing body so I'm not particularly aroused.
She asks me tell her how I want her to touch me. I try telling her to go harder but as with my first punt it still feels pretty unstimulating despite her worrying she's squeezing hard enough to hurt me. I also get her to try a few different techniques to jerk me off but it's all still feeling pretty boring.
After a while she's clearly getting tired and more desperate to help me finish. I suggest asking her to try rubbing me with her body so she slips the top half of a dress down (still keeping her mid section covered) and tries rubbing me with her tits. Because of the way my dick goes that's bit easier said then done so I assist by taking her boobs and squeezing them together on my dick while she has her hands on the table rubbing her chest back and forth. This is pretty fun but still not getting me off much and definitely not making me cum. After she stops and starts jerking me off again while rubbing my dick into her boob. This feels better but still not enough. I too would like to finish so I grab my own dick and try jerking myself off while grinding my glands into her boob. Alas I still do not cum. After some 30 min of part 2 she ask me if I want "real sex".
Part 3
I'm a bit apprehensive of the offer. This is RnT doesn't offer FS as a standard and this ML didn't even have CIM option on her profile. Also the way she asked it I'm not sure if she was offering it as a freebie or an extra. So I ask her if it's an extra and how much she asking for but she just says "what ever you want". I'm thinking if I pay an extra $100 and I can cum from some FS then that still puts the total damage at less than normal market rate for 1hr FS. I also know that this RnT is fully licenced and FS is not forbidden, even if it's not standard. I also do want to finish off and have a good time so I agree to it and say $100 in the moment.
Being that this isn't normally a FS RnT there aren't any condoms around and I didn't bring one so we have a bit of a break while the ML goes through her purse to find a condom. She also warns me to not let the mamasan know we're doing this because she's told mamasan she doesn't do this kind of service.
She asks me to do her doggy style and I agree while she gets on all fours and pulls her panties off, still wearing her dress to cover her mid section. I penetrate her from behind with an ample view of her average looking pussy and butt hole. Again the feeling is pretty mild but a bit tighter then the first WL. I start pounding away while she makes noises (which I am not really convinced by). Getting a decent view of her pussy lips gripping my dick is pretty nice (even if it not the prettiest pussy in the world).
I try pretty much every thing I can think of. Varying the pace, varying the angle, a bit of gyration, pushing in hard and grinding, grabbing her by the hips, grabbing her by the shoulder, grabbing one arm, both arms. Again, not really doing much for me. She's making some noise and I notice her tighten up a bit a few times which feels good but again not enough to make me cum and I'm feeling unconvinced her reactions are genuine so not particularly aroused by it all. I could probably have gone harder but again I held back because I didn't want to hurt her. After ~20 min of doggy style I'm starting to really feel bored and have given up hope of cumming. The condom is starting slip off and we've gone well past the time too (although its last session of the day) so I pull out and call it quits there. Kinda felt like I was the one doing the service instead of getting serviced with how unsatisfying it felt for me.
I take a quick shower and get dressed. While the ML is getting dressed, I get a glimpse of her front where I see some scaring and some stretched skin. So I guess that confirms she was trying to hide that part of her bodyI stop the ML and I give her a $50 for part 3 even though it kind of seems she was good to just leave since it wasn't really successful. In the end about 1hr 20min total and I didn't cum. I did find I stayed harder then the first time so I think the 3 days no fap is helped.
Epilogue
So yet another unsuccessful and and disappointing session. Feeling let down and a bit frustrated while also unsure of what to try in order to have a better experience I came here and wrote my OP.
With a bit more time to reflect and look back. I think the first time with the Korean model WL was overall more enjoyable and memorable. I'm with what GoldfishMan and some others have advised that physical attraction is more important than service; at least in my case, for the current time.
Still abstaining and haven't cum since my wank after my first punt. Definitely feeling more horny. The worst is trying to get to sleep at night or when I wake up early and am trying to get to sleep with morning wood. Pretty annoying trying to relax and sleep but being way too horny; I usually try doing a bit of exercise to distract myself but that doesn't help falling asleep.
I was feeling sick this weekend so wasn't able to go out to see a WL even if I wanted to. Hopefully will have a good punt next weekend after 2 weeks of no fap.
TL;DR
ML had a good massage and service but didn't provide much physical attraction. In future I think I want to put more emphasis finding physically attractive girls rather than experienced service girls.
Thanks again for the advice and tips brothers.
Thanks again for the great advice GoldfishMan.
Thanks a lot for the detailed recommendation. I really appreciate it. J Rey definitely looks towards my type. I've also been thinking a Japanese girl would be a good idea. I know GoldfishMan said to worry less about service but with a Japanese girl I think cultural "sexpectations" are more likely to align with what I understand/want. I also can understand and speak some Japanese so communication should be a bit better; at least compared to J or C girls. I think I'll have a look around at the available Japanese girls and see if there is anything that appeals to me in particular. Fortunately it seems there has been a windfall of genuine J girls recently.
Haha Thanks Meng, good to know I'm not alone. Hopefully my own story can help others too.
Thanks for the suggestion. I was thinking that and kinda tried that with the ML in my 2nd punt and just closing my eyes but it didn't really help a great deal. Comparing the much more attractive WL of my first punt to my 2nd punt, I'm thinking it's worth the cost to get a hot lady, take in the extra visual stimulus and overall have a more memorable time.
Hopefully the built up libido and increased sensitivity from 2 weeks of no fap will be enough to get me across the line even if other factors are less than ideal.
Trust me brother, you're not alone. I can relate a lot to your burden, I've found that excessive masturbation and "death grip" is largely the problem especially when you're actually having intercourse, your dick is too accustomed to a certain level of tightness and rhythm that you've set during years of fapping that real sex can't replicate exactly.
True talk, there is only one simple advice I can impart:
Masturbate LESS frequently (try once every 2-3 days and aim for twice a week at most) and Masturbate softer. You will regain sensitivity and generally your performance will improve.
A shorter note about onahole (Japanese fleshlights) use before I go to post about my latest punt.
Again, I still haven't cum since wanking after my first punt with the K model WL 2 weeks ago. On Wednesday (3 days ago) I decided to try using some of my onaholes since I read some stuff on death grip syndrome treatment where they recommend masturbating using a fleshlight to get more used to "realistic" stimulation and to avoid squeezing too hard. I was also curious to check how "realistic" the onaholes were compared to real pussy since I'd experienced covered vaginal sex twice. So played some hentai ASMR as stimulus and used a condom and lube to masturbate with my onaholes after warming them up in hot water as I usually do. One onahole is just a regular "sleeve" but the other is a 4kg hip with an anus and vagina and is quite nice being able to put it on a table or on the bed and screw it.
With a condom on it definitely felt significantly less simulating than normally using the onaholes to masturbate but I could easily get myself close to cumming. I stopped before I came to save it to the punt. Checking feeling without a condom on, the week and a half of no fap had definetly increased sensitivity more than "normal". I think both the onaholes felt much tighter and more stimulating than the real thing; even without squeezing them to add pressure. Being able to get close to cumming relatively easily also gave me hope the next punt would go well.
Being that the onaholes I have feel much better than a real pussy, if I want to go the route of using fleshlights/onaholes to deal with death grip then it seems maybe I need to get a less stimulating hole?
@gimmesome
But you need to reduce your speed, the real person cannot go that fast.
Glad it works for you bro.
Not really just about the speed, it's about everything coming together perfectly. Pacing, perfect tightness at the perfect time to get yourself off. Those are the things your right or left hand is extremely good at because it is, after all, your own hand. When you're fucking a real girl or woman, it will never be that perfect, so you have to sort of just take all the best parts and ignore all the bad parts. Like when you're inside her pussy, just take a moment to take in that reality that you are inside the most intimate part of her. She moans and gets aroused when you thrust into her, your right hand can't do that. Those things are what you need to be focusing on rather than how it is slightly less perfect than when you're doing it with your own hand.
Again not trying to write an AR and definitely want to avoid getting into bad blood with anyone or any establishment. I just want to share my experience and hopefully get some useful advice. In this case however, I think it will be pretty obvious to anyone paying attention who the girl is and which establishment but I will at least refrain from explicitly giving names so don't ask me to confirm your guesses in public. Again feel free to PM me.
3rd Punt, J WL at Brothel
First punt at a brothel and first punt where I've seen an AR for the lady so a chance to see how my experiences and standards compare to others. Also 2nd time with a WL so I have something to compare to this time.
Prologue:
So I still haven't cum since I wanked after my first punt 2 weeks ago but I did do some masturbation (without cumming) using onaholes 3 days ago as explained in my above post.
In the week leading up I did some searching around at a few establishments looking at profiles and reading ARs to try find a girl that was hopefully my type. Thanks again for the recommendations which people have provided to me. I was hoping to book J Rey as recommended by a few but it seems she's hasn't shown up for a while (hopefully just coincidence). So yesterday I booked another WL I'd been eying who seemed my type and had a positive review.
Woke up this morning a bit more organised than my first punt and walked over to the establishment. Notified mamasan and papasan at the reception of my booking and paid for 1 hr and was directed to a room to await the girl. Venue felt pretty similar to the RnT I saw the ML at but the lighting was dimmer and red which made it harder to see things.
The Girl
Possibly my first mistake here was paying the money before seeing the girl. In retrospect I wonder if I was given the switcharoo given how different she seemed from the photos. Even if it wasn't a bait and switch, that's kinda how it felt.
Age: mids 20s to early 30s. The website said 23 (which is expected to be a stretch) and the AR said mid-20s. It was a bit hard to see with the lighting in the room but I felt like she was maybe early 30s at the time but I guess could have been mid-20s if you really stretched your belief. From my perspective, she didn't feel particularly "young". For reference the first K model WL definitely seemed/felt at least similar age to me or a bit younger in retrospect.
Face: 5/10. Typical round, slightly chubbyish type Japanese face. The photos don't clearly show her face (of course) but the parts that are shown gave me expectation she would have a more slender, angular face. Pretty heavy make-up which I don't have a problem with. Overall though, not particularly pretty and not my type. Looking into her face/age was definitely not a turn-on.
Figure: 5/10. Definitely not like the pictures in the profile. Profile and AR described her as "toned" but I'd describe more as a bit little curvy which isn't a the end of the world issue but felt like a let down from the expectations I had. Not skinny, slim or fit for sure. Short legs (which is pretty typical for Japanese girls). Similar to the 2nd punt ML in height and figure but nicer skin (though no where near as nice as the photos though).
Boobs: B-C. The profile said C and the AR said C to D. IMO it looked more like B/C. Slightly bigger than the 2nd punt ML but similar shape but a bit saggier. They looked a bit saggy to me. 1st punt K model definitely had the nicest tits so far.
Ass: 7/10. Pretty decent ass. Not incredibly smooth nor toned but nice size and shape.
Communication: 7/10. Her English was limited but was able to communicate partially in Japanese which was probably one of the highlights for me. I feel less hesitant saying things in Japanese I found, maybe indicative of underlying nervousness.
First some small talk. Getting a chance to chat a bit in Japanese and get some speaking practice felt nice. Certainly helped stop me from walking out lol. I was a bit taken a back from her less than appealing appearance but decided to go through with it and see how it plays out. Get in the shower, nothing special a bit of rubbing but that 1st punt K model was definitely far superior in terms of the touching and what she did. I really tried though out the session but I didn't enjoy eye contact with her.
Out of the shower and onto the bed. I lie down and she starts giving me HJ and BBBJ. The best so far (better the toothy one from the K model for sure). She goes pretty hard, maybe too hard and I need to ask her to slow down because it's just painful. HJ felt pretty good too (better than all previous) but that might have been more just due to the 2 wks of no fap; not sure. She also licked my nipples which really didn't feel like anything but I don't normally feel anything in my nipples anyway. I tried some DFK too which I didn't find particularly hot, she did have the tongue piercing as mentioned in the AR so seems like it was the correct lady. (DFK a bit of a worry with the oral gonorrhoea thread that popped up).
I'm hard but again not super aroused by being with this WL. She puts condom on and mounts me cowgirl. I think she's a bit tighter than both previous WL and ML but yet again it's not feeling particularly good and I'm not feeling like I'm gonna cum any time soon. She humps away at me while making noise like a typical JAV girl which I don't have a problem with but didn't find very arousing either. She starts to get tired it seems so I get her to lie down and I start pounding her in missionary.
Again, not really feeling much and after a while I start getting tired in that position and we swap to doggy style. Always a nice view of the bum and the pussy in doggy style and an easier time thrusting. Getting a good feel of her ass and pounding it on my crotch is nice too. I think it's favourite position so far. However, still not enough to make me really feel pleasure let alone cum. Again tried a few different things in doggy style but not getting much out of it. I have noticed when they drop their hands and bend down so their ass and pussy points up high I can feel more tightness, get a bit deep and have a nicer view of their rear. I think I'll try get ladies to do that more for me in the future.
I get tired of doggy style going no where and I get off and let her give me HJ and BBBJ hoping for CIM. It feels objectively better than the service I got from the previous two ladies but still not really pleasurable or making me cum. Again, sometimes she did it really hard and I had to just ask her to slow down because it was uncomfortable but whilst going gentler it also wasn't particularly pleasurable. HJ feel ok, getting probably the most pleasure from that. At this point I think she mouth wash wore off because I can start to taste the cigarette in her kiss and in her breath (YUK!). I suggest trying to put it inside her again.
She mounts me again and she really does try hard to get me to cum but again I'm not really feeling much. Once she starts looking tired we swap to doggy style again and also try prone bone which also helps get her cigarette breath out of my face (eugh). Trying that for a while again no success for me. I get off and we swap back to HJ.
As with the first WL I ask her to let me finger her while she jerks me off. Again pretty fun and pleasurable (but not enough). I enjoy feeling the difference in her pussy compared to the first WL. I'm about to ask her to show me how to finger her better but at 10 minutes left (and not really going anywhere) she tells me we're almost out of time and I need to shower. So I get showered off and get dressed. She gives me a hug and apologises before I leave. I probably should have used some mouth wash before I left too. I'm pretty sure we went less than 1 hr.
After thoughts
I don't think I was actually bait and switched more just baited by really unrealistic photos. She had the same hair style as photos and the tongue piercing mentioned in the AR so seems like it was the "same" lady. The establishment also seems to have a bit of a bad rep for not using accurate photos but with the AR I was hoping it wouldn't be *that* bad.
I also noticed a some red spots on my chest which I don't think I had yesterday. Isn't itchy and was my chest clear for over a week during which I had no contact so I'm guessing it might be some irritation caused by the soap she used? It seems to have gone down a bit after taking a proper shower at home bit I'll keep an eye on it.
There were maybe some good parts to but overall it was a pretty negative experience. Particularly the cigarette breath. I really didn't like thatDespite all that though I did stay hard pretty much the whole way though so I think the no fap is helping.
Comparing to my two previous experiences I'd say this one was the worst *so far* and made me appreciate that first punt with the K model WL a lot more. The only thing that the first punt had worse was the toothy BBBJ. The Kmodel WL was a leagues ahead in terms of attractiveness; I never felt like I wanted to close my eyes and use my imagination instead during that punt unlike 2 and 3. Shower service was much better. The more natural moaning was nicer I think. Kmodel also had a pretty decent pussy slide and grind in retrospect. HJ was about the same level (Kmodel maybe slightly worse). Had no rush with the Kmodel, even went a bit over time compare to this time which felt rushed at the end. Kmodel also didn't have cigarette breath...
Also being able to compare to another AR now I guess my standards are a bit high? or maybe that AR was a bit over hyping. If my tastes are more expensive then so be it, I'm not *planning* on doing this regularly, I mostly just want to experience a good punt then be done with it so I can tolerate higher prices.
Not really sure where to from here. I kinda wanna try with the first WL again or maybe a different girl from that agency. Maybe if J Rey comes back try her? Maybe try exploring some RnTs a bit more? Maybe try a different brothel, or a different agency? I haven't had much time to think about it yet so very open to suggestions, thought and advice as always.
TL;DR
Still haven't cum. It was a pretty big miss. Worst punt for me so far. Girl was not attractive (for me) and had cigarette breath. Currently thinking what to do next.
Thanks for the advice. With the Hip onahole, I just place it on a table or on the bed and I thrust into it with my hips like I would a real girl so not really controlling tightness, and pacing is "realistic" as it is what I be doing with a real girl. To me it seems the unrealistic part is it just has better tightness and texture than any of the 3 ladies so far.
True words of wisdom GoldfishMan, thank you. I'll keep it in mind for next time. I think with 2 of 3 these ladies so far, part of the problem is I don't really feel very "excited" to be inside them
@gimmesome
I see the problem, you already turned off by first impression, and it is normal, sometimes I got soft as well if the first impression not good. And that build up with her cigarette breath.
And I think I know the lady who you mention.
I will send you a pm might can help you.
Cheers PKING2. Well I guess the constructive thing to ask is: how do I avoid getting into such a situation? What can/should I be doing to that I don't end up out of cash stuck in a session with a lady I don't fancy. I guess there's always some element of luck to punting.
Hey OP, as you say, punting wouldn't be punting if it wasn't a gamble of some sort.
All things considered, it sounds like you're on the right track. Maintaining the erection is good progress.
The next step is as others have said: the mental component of enjoying the reality of the situation. Finding a partner you gel with will help.
Also, try reducing your general stress levels. It's hard to be present in the moment when there's so much going on in your subconscious. Meditation, exercise, good sleep and any mindfulness method that suits you can help. I've recently gotten into EFT tapping myself.
maybe needs a few drinks first to relax and stop stressing so much
I don't think alcohol will have good effect to him lol, he often going soft while intercourse lol.
@gimmesome
The thing that you can do is. Read review, find people who has taste that similar to your taste. My top pick reviewers that have similar taste to me are Meng, glamourphoto.
How do you know you will have similar taste. You need to take plunge with different girls that reviewed at least once.
Example that wl3 not your taste right, and she has good score with one of reviewer, so safe to say your taste is different with him. Try different reviewer.
Hope this can help
Thanks FatStache. Appreciated.
Yeah, I don't really drink. It gives me the red face thing and generally makes me feel unwell and tired.
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