Thanks for the advice. I'm feeling like a good direction is trying out more, different ladies and particularly trying out ones with recommendations and reviews that way I can position myself better to relative to other punters and benefit more from the shared intel.Originally Posted by PKING2
Cheers
I love the thoughtful words of my brother members. The thing that seems missing is the girlfriend experience where lots of DFK and tease that builds the tension. Wam bam get me off as quick as possible is the biggest turnoff to me. Not saying you shouldn’t like it. I just reckon connection and warmth plus humour can be a big turn on.
That’s very true, so much so that I would recommend OP to try to get a real GF to start the ball rolling. Enjoy love making first, then you will look at sex in a very different way.
Just don’t try to get the GF from a shop, regardless of WL or ML!
Op needs a private lesson from you bro, how to pick girl like a boss. Lol
I honestly really would like to get a real GF but I seem pretty hopeless at doing so
As explained before, part of my motivation for getting into punting is not being able to get a GF and not wanting to continue waiting and hoping for something to happen, so I can at least enjoy some some sexual experiences whilst I'm still "young". I certainly feel regret not having more "fun" when I was younger still.
haha, I mean I'm open to all advice, support and trying out recommendations not just for punting but dating but I can't guarantee I won't be a difficult student. I think there are reasons I've never had a girlfriend before.
learn to relax, i usually get a ML and then talk to her like you would if you were trying to pickup, you don't have to worry cos your gonna get what you pay for.
Just talk to them get to know them abit and it should make it a nicer experience for you. Stop trying so hard, your paying for it so its gona be fine.
If you over think it you will jsut put the little guy under pressure to perform.
You should try BBFS and/or pussy scrub. Regular SB is also very good.
you should have seen J Mio perhaps, she had awesome body which would have turned you on, good smell, not a smoker
I think the OP needs a real gf. It seems that you need more than just a physical attraction and build up to try to orgasm. You need to fall in love my man!
A more positive one this time but again not meant to be an AR though feel free to PM if you want a bit more info.
#4 Slim T ML
Had this punt the day after #3 but haven't had the time to write up the report. This was my 4th punt and 2nd time with a different ML at the same shop as #2.
Prelude:
So as posted previously #3 was not a good experience but the next day I had free time and was keen to not waste it. I contacted mamasan at the same RnT shop I got my first massage at (2nd punt). This time I was ignoring English and massage/service level and looking to make a pick based on hopefully most attractive. I tried to ask mamasan for a line up but was told only show 2 girls then I have to pick. So I went through the roster profiles and picked two options that stood out to me based primarily on the girls age and weight stat. Mamasan told me one of them was available and I confirmed the booking.
Arriving, mamasan confirmed my booking with the girl. I tried to ask about potentially seeing a line up and see more than one of the girls but mamasan made some excuses and refused but assured me the girl I had booked was very pretty. I probably should have insisted if I can see the girl before handing over the money but absent mindedly handed over the money for 1 hr. Mamasan then called out the girl to take me to the room.
The Girl
Age: mid to late 20s. Thank goodness this girl actually looked reasonably young. Probably not the age listed on the profile still as to be expected but definitely still young enough to be attractive (to me).
Face: 7/10. Typical but decently pretty Thai face. Nothing too special or particularly my type but "young" and pleasant to look at. The strangest thing was she had her hair done up in a really "big" 60s, plastic-looking, hair sprayed solid style. Not really my thing and not sure why she'd do that either, maybe trying to appeal to a certain regular? or made part of her work persona to help disguise her everyday identity?
Body: 8/10. Actually slim but not skinny either. She was short, shortest so far so <160cm but not due to very short legs. She had pretty good proportions overall but not quite model level nor ticking all my particular tastes. I do note she had really nice, smooth, THICK (but not "fat" or lumpy) thighs which I quite liked.
Skin: 9/10* An extra rating here which kind of plays into my rating for body. Her skin was flawless and GLOWING head to toe from her upper lips to her lower lips. Amazing skin. The only thing stopping me from giving a 10/10 is that the room as a bit dim to see and her more tanned skin colour can make it difficult to see any flaws so can't 100% say it was a perfect 10/10 but definitely some of the most amazing skin I have ever seen.
Ass: 8/10* I unfortunately didn't get to have a good perv at her ass since she was facing me front on almost the entire time but I assume it would mostly match her delicious thighs.
Boobs: A, 7/10 Quite small but size isn't of great importance to me so much as shape and appearance. I'd much rather perky and youthful A cups than saggy D cups but that's of course my own personal preference. Her boobs were quite small but full and perky with small perky nipples too. Nice to look at (for me) and still worth playing with but nothing too spectacular.
Communication: 8/10 Her English was apparently not meant to be as good as #2 but I didn't find it any in any way harder to communicate. Not native level English obviously but no real issues (much better than #1 or #3). If anything compared to #2 she made less small talk or attempted dirty talk which I honestly liked more than the awkward talk from #2. I'm not really big on conversation.
So right off the bat things are looking pretty good, the ML looks decently attractive (to me).
Part 1
She leads me to the room and gets me to shower myself while she leaves to get some towels and prepare some stuff (not sure what stuff). I undress, shower then dry myself off but I'm left sitting and waiting for a bit. She comes back and we start part 1. Back massage is pretty good, in some ways better than #2 was, though less body-body contact and erotic touching. After a pretty good normal massage she moves on to more erotic light touching, it was not quite as stimulating or skilled as #2 but not particularly "bad" or off putting at least. I felt like this light touching part went on a bit longer than it needed to.
Part 2
After starting to feel a bit impatient with the light touching she finally gets me to turn over and takes off her dress. I finally start to get a good look at her body. As described above she's quite physically attractive, much much better than #2 and #3, I'm actually drawn to her instead of somewhat repulsed. I'm most of all amazed by her incredible skin. I don't remember too clearly but she started of with the typical touching around the groin and a bit of nipple play on me before starting to jerk me off. I ask her to not play with my nipples since they don't feel much anyway and focus more on my dick. Definitely not as skilled or experienced or enthusiastic as #2 but I was still definitely having a much better time. However as with my other punts, the stimulation she's giving my dick isn't particularly pleasurable. She also did this thing trying to play with my balls kinda sticking her finger between my nuts and stretching my sack a bit it it really just felt uncomfortable more than anything.
After a while of jerking me off kneeling at my legs she (presumably) gets tired and moves on the lying down next to me while jerking me off. This gives me good access to her tits and nipples which I happily play with. I also get to hold her waist and ass a bit with my other hand which is also quite satisfying. After a while of this though she's getting tired and again and I'm not that much closer to cumming. I try suggesting to her to try "rubbing with her body" but she seems to not understand too well or more likely otherwise not keen on it. I suggest to her she straddles my hips while jerking me off which lets me get a good feel of her nice thigh and ass sitting on my legs. I can also get a bit of a look at her pussy. While she's doing this I cope a nice feel of her thigh and slowly work my was towards her pussy. I ask her if she'll let my touch her pussy directly as I move towards it be alas I am rejected. She does however permit me to keep my hands on her legs close to her groin and I'm able to have a bit of fun indirectly stretching her pussy open and little bit by stretching and moving the skin on her groin. Sometimes she bends over and kisses my shoulder, I guess her normal routine would be to kiss my nipple but I asked her to not do that earlier.
I'll also mention she has a very pretty and extremely tight looking pussy, by far the tightest and prettiest pussy of all the ladies yet. She also makes some fake moaning sounds all the while but I did find them at least a bit more convincing and hot than the previous ladies so far.
After a while of her sitting on my legs and jerking me off, my legs are starting to go numb and I still haven't cum nor and I getting particularly close to it despite her desperately jerking me off for the last ~20 min.
Jerking off
So she quite good looking and particularly her pussy is a nice sight even if I'm not allow to touch. I try asking her if she can sit or kneel on my face while I jerk myself off. She sort of obliges by standing over me and showing me her pussy, stretching it lightly for me to see. A bit further away than I would have liked with her standing instead of kneel over my face but still good. Looking at her pussy and imagining what it would feel like to fuck while I jerk off is really getting me off. I ask her to touch herself more for me and she obliges. Watching her play with her tight pussy whilst standing over my face is really hot.
I shot a huge load all over myself and even get myself partially in the eye
Success... sort-of. She gives me some tissues to start wiping myself off while she goes to have a shower and I'm trying to finish wiping all my own cum off my body (and face). After she finishes she lets me into the shower and leaves to get me some fresh towels? I give myself a quick wash (afterwards I returned straight home and had a proper shower) then dry myself off and get dressed. I thank the ML and give her an extra $20 tip. She gives me a quick hug then leads me to the exit.
After Thoughts
Definitely feel the truth of what GoldfishMan and some others have said: a hot girl is way more important than high tier service for someone like me. I could definitely feel the service was lower tier in terms of experience, enthusiasm and overall willingness. She didn't give me FS but I still had a much better time with her than the 1st ML (punt #2). Service just really doesn't matter than much to me compared to physical attraction and being given the opportunity to explore a hot young female body. I did feel a little bit of post nut guilt which is unusual for me (when wanking normally). It was definitely a good experience, maybe on par with my first punt or better. So far 2 for 2, 50:50 good punts : bad punts.
Whilst I did cum by jerking myself off I'd say that's definitely still an improvement from all my previous sessions where I also tried jerking myself off but still didn't cum in the session so I'd say I'm definitely improving; being able cum in the presence of a ML and using [visual] stimulation provided by her. I have gone from constantly going soft with a really attractive WL to staying harder with a less attractive ML or staying harder still with a less attractive WL or being able to cum with an attractive ML. I guess next goal from here will be getting to cum from a WL/ML's touch instead of my own. Ultimately, once I'm able to confirm I can cum having normal covered sex (i.e. do it more than a once off fluke) I will be happy to declare I am finally able to cum.
Next step, I'm going to keep an eye out for any good (recommended) WLs on roster if nothing shows up maybe revist this ML and see if she'll open up more on repeats. In the mean time I'll also be continuing no fap. I haven't been looking at any porn either but I've become aware that a lot of my media feeds sexual (NSFW level and sometimes pornographic) content so I'm starting to get that purged too so I'll be no fap and no porn. Hopefully next punt in a week or 2.
TL;DR
I came... but by jerking myself off... but that's still an improvement! The ML was quite attractive which helped a lot. Service wasn't as good but that didn't really matter, good punt overall. Going to keep punting with the aim to actually cum from the ML/WL and not my own hand.
Yeah I might put some effort into being a bit more talkative with the ML/WLs. Thanks for the advice,
Definitely not not keen to be doing BBFS with a WL, maybe an ML I know which doesn't do it normally do FS with customers at best but not keen on catching something, particularly if it causes damage I still have a lot of life ahead of me.
I've thought about SBs and that might be ok for BB (again depending on that the girl normally does) but a SB seems to imply a more committed, regular relationship even if it's still transactional. I'm not really looking to be keeping SBs. I'm not sure I'd have a money or "appearance" of wealth to really be a SD. If I'm budgeting money like that monthly, I'd rather spend money on myself and improving myself to try get a GF. This punting stuff I'm not really doing with the goal of it being a long term thing (at the moment). My main goal with punting MLs and WLs is to get my experience up and enjoy some new things. Not really looking to have play on the side longer term. I'd rather put more effort into getting a real GF than a SB.
Cheers for the rec. Any comments on her face? Edit: Where is she? I can't seem to see her on the rosters/girls lists at either Ginza
Oh how I wish I could
U need to let the ml jerk you off. But still an improvement. Just need to pick one that interest you and find attracted to then let it flow.
@gimmesome, if you the one that wank, it still at ground zero,
What you want you cum, not using your hand at all.
The one that I want to try for you cancelled yesterday as she got period. So I haven't have another reccomendation at the moment.
But maybe some bro here can help to make the reccomendation more specific for this bro.
1. Should be above average face, I know beauty is in the eyes of beholder, but this will help this bro
2. Should be has vagina muscle training. As this bro said she cannot feel anything.
3. Should be willing not using too much lube
4. Should be have pse mix gfe style. Because he exposed to porn which is the move a bit hard to perform by girl sometimes. Maybe he will get more aroused by the move. While the gfe style make his mind more relax.
5. Non smoking girl, and no bad mouth odour.
These are the list that I can think of based on his post. Feel free if anyone want to add something.
That's a good improvement, gimmesome, but still no cigar.
I have a piece of advice which may be a bit "leftfield". Try to procure some Viagra / Kamagra (they're the same thing) and take a very very small dose (eg. 25 mg) before your next punt. There's a thread on this forum about buying it, check that out.
What this will do is it minimises the dependency on your brain to maintain a good erection. Hopefully this will allow you to fuck to completion before you start getting soft.
Of course the best thing to do is to get a real GF and experience real love making.
Try this technique with MLs only if you have some rapport...
Simulated BBFS. You can try this in different positions, doggy and mish work well so you can grab onto tits and ass. While in position the ML grips your cock close to her pussy (lotion required) and you thrust away at your own pace while tricking yourself into thinking your gonna creampie her when actually you just nut on her belly.
It feels sexy and dangerous while you're both somehow in control of what's happening. Sometimes ML gets really into it and wants grind your know on her clit. She gets off and you get a pussy slide.
Even if the ML is not your type or worse, you get to close your eyes and grind on anyone in your imagination...after all we're all just borrowing friction from a stranger.
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This is all so analytical. It beats me how many of you actually connect or ‘click’ with anyone. I think it’s possible that for most potential girlfriends who come in contact with the OP, he would come across as just too much hard work. I respectfully and non-judgmentally suggest that you share this issue with a GP or psychologist and get referred to a good sex therapist. You could probably get the ball rolling by sharing some of what you have posted here. The bottom line is that a good, full life requires emotional as well as physical sustenance.
Just a side thought bro , but have you thought of a career change to being a porn star 😂
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