Market Price Punting Question for 2024

[begov94]

This has always been my point too. We are the customer, we do need to set prices and avoid high charging shops

Of course, there are some here on the forum who are home or yacht owners, aged their 40s or higher, who have MUCH higher discretionary incomes - they pay neither rent nor mortgage! It wouldn't matter to the if wealthy if full service ends up at $600 at a brothel

If you pay a rent or mortgage and punting is harder now to afford, you will understand the issue

The people who pay that kind of money are disillusioned by the looks of the WL, thinking that her fake overalls (tan, boobs, hair, hips) are the reason why their aging wives or mistresses can't turn them on anymore. They think these WLs are the same like Rolex's - the more expensive the better the quality.

Connection is in the mind. If you can connect mentally with someone it doesn't matter if they're fat, wrinkly or too skinny you'd be able to get off easily, sometimes cumming prematurely before insertion.

[andrewv]

Sometimes I wonder which are the key factors that affect the prices brothels and massage shops charge. I guess most of you will reply saying it is a combination of everything.

1. Demand and supply. Prices would increase if the girls are getting more demand than they can supply in a given day, or else they sit around earning little.
2. Perception: where men "value" getting laid and become happy to pay a high price.
3. Market dysfunction: Why a woman who opens her legs and lets a guy fuck her for 30 minutes for more money than a female doctor makes in 2 hours after studying for many years.

When you read many of the recruitment pages that brothels post (usually, in Japanese and Korean languages), and the promise that the girls can make $2,000 to $3,000 a day which is mostly tax-free, you wonder if this is a fair value for money. After all, any professional woman (lawyer, doctor, accountant) would struggle to make this amount after tax.

[GoldfishMan]

This might sound a bit sad, but I invested in getting a VR Headset and subscribed to sexlikereal via DEOVR player. It's way cheaper than punting,it's been working and it gets rid of my urges.

Bro, I'm a dummy with VR headsets but are they portable? Can you bring it to a punt? Cos if you can, you can try using it while you have an edging queen like Mimi of Burwood to edge you with her magic hands. That would be an awesome experience I reckon!

[keebab]

Bro, I'm a dummy with VR headsets but are they portable? Can you bring it to a punt? Cos if you can, you can try using it while you have an edging queen like Mimi of Burwood to edge you with her magic hands. That would be an awesome experience I reckon!

Yep the Oculus Quest systems are super portable and you can get a carry case the size of a shoebox to move around. You'd need Wifi or Hotspot to stream your porn to the device or some of the paid sites will let you download the media files to play offline. Personally, I like sites like this too - https://jav.guru/56633/kavr-027-vr-r...da-ai-hoshina/

With regards to services in a shop with a headset, there was a girl in Sydney who tried this as a service but it didn't last. My suspicion was that it was because of the novelty factor and the fact that whatever HJ/BJ action she's performing, it would never sync with the images in your field of view. It was also more expensive than the traditional R&T.

I'm sure if you brought a headset to Mimi she'd be fine with it.

I think VR porn is best enjoyed solo until the shared VR experience tech improves.

[frisson]

The key factors that affect the prices brothels and massage shops charge

1. Demand and supply. Prices would increase if the girls are getting more demand than they can supply in a given day, or else they sit around earning little.
2. Perception: where men "value" getting laid and become happy to pay a high price.
3. Market dysfunction: Why a woman who opens her legs and lets a guy fuck her for 30 minutes for more money than a female doctor makes in 2 hours after studying for many years

May I add to your list?
4. Rent increases for industrial property - brothels and massages shops generally pay rent for the premises
5. Price gouging. The service or cost hasn't changed, but inflation is used as an excuse to raise prices

[zylon]

Interesting thread. Surely the WL is the ultimate price setter. Shop sets a minimum that they take, the rest is the WL?

Punters are takers so the other side and don't really set anything. The question of when it is too expensive is another matter.

Sounds like from the responses it has already gotten too expensive given other cost increases.

[begov94]

May I add to your list?
4. Rent increases for industrial property - brothels and massages shops generally pay rent for the premises
5. Price gouging. The service or cost hasn't changed, but inflation is used as an excuse to raise prices

Back in the days the trend was to say that punting is cheaper than dating. These days I reckon dating is cheaper than punting LOL

[MDPorto]

Dating cheaper than punting...

Lets say a date involves a pre-drink, a meal, a movie (+ snacks) for two x people. Being ultra-conservative with my pricing and consumption expectations here - chicks, especially Asian chicks I've dated in recent years, love eating !

Drinks = $20 (basing this on house beer and wine which is on average $10 for the glass these days) [0.5 hour]

Meal = $60 (basing this on the price of a pub schnitzel which is up around the $30 mark these days) [1 hour]

Movie = $40 (basing this on the price of a regular day/evening movie ticket being $20) + Snacks = $30 (popcorn, a bag of chocolate/lollies, a drink - $15 per person) [2 hours]

Estimate Time = 3.5 hours

TOTAL = $150
*you could very easily spend another 50-100% on all of this (more expensive drinks & meals, restaurant, etc and/or more consumed + go to Gold Class movies if you're really looking to impress), or less if you're skipping parts of the above and on a budget
**when you're dating (whether it's one or several girls at a time), the vast majority wouldn't just be going out on one date per week - the costs will add up very quickly (and unlike punting you won't be as mindful towards this until well after the fact)
***YMMV in terms of the desired expectations/results you hope to achieve from dating (which I assume for the vast majority of us would be to get sex out of our date - and maybe eventually find a long term partner)

A friend of mine is a massive player, currently has 8 girls on the run (don't ask me how he does it as I don't really want to know) - based on conversations I've had with him and the calibre of restaurants, locations, activities, etc he does with his dates (not to mention the social expectations of certain females which is a whole other discussion in itself)... dating certainly is not cheaper than punting, at least from what I can see (not just from a monetary value but also your time).

[begov94]

$150 for 3 hours of mental foreplay, but if the foreplay goes right that's an overnight stayover with not just multiple cum but also cuddling each other naked and probably going another round in the morning.

Some sugarbabes are charging more than $150 just for that mental foreplay which doesn't include dinner, drinks and entertainment. Then you're gonna have to fork out additional costs for sex.

I've heard stories of lonely guys paying just for that mental foreplay aka date session without the sex because they value the connection more than the sex. The problem is, Sugarbabes are seeing multiple men each week whereas if it's a date with someone wanting marriage she's very likely to see only you and no one else.

Hence my opinion of dating cheaper than punting. At least it is when considering the price range for a punt these days compared to pre-COVID times. Some girls back then even advertised as low as $1,000 for an overnight session, and some reviews mention it feeling like dating at home where they're watching movies and eating dinner together between multiple sex.

[Sleazypeazy]

$150 for 3 hours of mental foreplay, but if the foreplay goes right that's an overnight stayover with not just multiple cum but also cuddling each other naked and probably going another round in the morning.

Some sugarbabes are charging more than $150 just for that mental foreplay which doesn't include dinner, drinks and entertainment. Then you're gonna have to fork out additional costs for sex.

I've heard stories of lonely guys paying just for that mental foreplay aka date session without the sex because they value the connection more than the sex. The problem is, Sugarbabes are seeing multiple men each week whereas if it's a date with someone wanting marriage she's very likely to see only you and no one else.

Hence my opinion of dating cheaper than punting. At least it is when considering the price range for a punt these days compared to pre-COVID times. Some girls back then even advertised as low as $1,000 for an overnight session, and some reviews mention it feeling like dating at home where they're watching movies and eating dinner together between multiple sex.

100% Besides when you are having sex with some girl you are dating, it is real GFE with unlimited shots on target. I don't think these options even compare

[begov94]

100% Besides when you are having sex with some girl you are dating, it is real GFE with unlimited shots on target. I don't think these options even compare

And definitely no excuses such as:

- Too big
- Lip kiss only
- No nipple play, too sensitive
- shower 10 mins before and after sex
- kicking you out 15mins early
- certain positions not allowed

When you're both dating, the bed is your canvas and you can experiment all you want.

[hereforgoodtime]

Can't really compare price of dating and punting unless it's the same kind of girls. There's just more variety of ML/WLs than the dating options available for the average dude.

Our best bet is to shop around and hope that there's newcomer shops that can upset the market, though that probably unlikely.

[andrewv]

May I add to your list?
4. Rent increases for industrial property - brothels and massages shops generally pay rent for the premises
5. Price gouging. The service or cost hasn't changed, but inflation is used as an excuse to raise prices

Good points. I managed to find an example on rent.
The old QVB Japanese massage place on level 1 of 199 Clarence St CBD (Now a Thai RNT called Blue Angel) pays a weekly rent of $690. Let's round it up to say $800 p.w. to allow for electricity and cleaning.

It has 3 massage rooms. Assuming each room gets used say only 4 hours a day, that would be 12 hours a day x 7 days = 84 paid massage hours a week.

$800 rent+expenses / 84 hours = $9.52 per hour. Round this up to $10 per hour room cost.

This amortised rent cost is pretty good, around 14% of revenue to the owner, before the remainder is split with the girls and before the girls make their $$$ for "extras".

[begov94]

Can't really compare price of dating and punting unless it's the same kind of girls. There's just more variety of ML/WLs than the dating options available for the average dude.

Our best bet is to shop around and hope that there's newcomer shops that can upset the market, though that probably unlikely.

I'm curious - how many guys in the "Chad" category (six pack, six foot tall, most likely six figure salary) do WLs and MLs get to meet at work on a regular basis?

In many shops, even the likes of 42G or N5M I happen to pass by punters in waiting rooms who mostly look like someone's dad or a rich young, average looking kid. The type that young girls at a mall are very unlikely to respond.

When talking to guys of the "Chad" category I often hear them talk about dating girls in their own circle of friends rather than talk to a random girl in public. And when they punt, they're more likely to hire a "high end" escort that charges almost a thousand dollars per hour. These "Chads" also rather cheat and sleep around.

Personally I find punting easier than looking for side chicks since I'm not good at whispering sweet nothings nor maintaining a roster of booty calls. I just don't like handling the baggage of bantering with multiple women and remembering every single details to keep them interested - having one girl to banter with all my whole life is more than enough.

Then again, the economics of punting these days just doesn't seem worth it. I'm pretty sure some "Chads" may prefer punting in major cheaper shops but because of how prominent they look it's easy to get caught by their own circle of friends or wives/gf friends.

[Sibon]

I'd rather spend the money being out under the sun in nature than for a movie subscription that gets boring unless they release new titles. There's many adventures to look out for that doesn't break the bank plus it is better for your health.

What can you do under the sun?

Hug a tree petending it's a plus-sized WL?

Sleep on the grass and daydreaming about the Thai WLs?

See two dragonflies with their tails sticking together?

You might as well stay in the safety of your home watching Gone With the Wind 10th times.

[begov94]

Good points. I managed to find an example on rent.
The old QVB Japanese massage place on level 1 of 199 Clarence St CBD (Now a Thai RNT called Blue Angel) pays a weekly rent of $690. Let's round it up to say $800 p.w. to allow for electricity and cleaning.

It has 3 massage rooms. Assuming each room gets used say only 4 hours a day, that would be 12 hours a day x 7 days = 84 paid massage hours a week.

$800 rent+expenses / 84 hours = $9.52 per hour. Round this up to $10 per hour room cost.

This amortised rent cost is pretty good, around 14% of revenue to the owner, before the remainder is split with the girls and before the girls make their $$$ for "extras".

This is why MLs gouging up the price for extras especially for $200-250 FS doesn't make sense.

By the way, went to Top Ryde shopping centre to do some grocery shop and realised that the massage shop at 2 Pope St is recently sold to developer. Not sure how long the shop have before they need to look for another location. I reckon they should've stayed at the old 190 Blaxland Rd location, that is now a barber shop and next door at 192 is another competitor massage shop.

[begov94]

What can you do under the sun?

Hug a tree petending it's a plus-sized WL?

Sleep on the grass and daydreaming about the Thai WLs?

See two dragonflies with their tails sticking together?

You might as well stay in the safety of your home watching Gone With the Wind 10th times.

Hahaha. If that's your kink go ahead.

[Sibon]

It took you a year to work out netflix is cheaper than a punt.

Explains everything

I think he said "......For example, I calculated how much I would save in a year by cancelling my Netflix sub..."

How much did you score for your International English Language Test?

[Sibon]

Hahaha. If that's your kink go ahead.

My kink is go fishing under the sun.

You may want to join me one day and bringing a Thai ML along.

[begov94]

I think he said "......For example, I calculated how much I would save in a year by cancelling my Netflix sub..."

How much did you score for your International English Language Test?

Wow, your first intelligent reply.

I always thought you're supposed to be sarcastic or just a little different.

Maybe you should ask him what is his second language? It could be Swahili.