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I read up on all the sugar related threads on the site (Note: I'm not selling subscriptions or ebooks). Sharing my experiences from Seeking after <1week of a subscription.
General obs:
Most openly discuss ppm up front within the app which was surprising. Understood that mentioning ppm would get you suspended. Initially my reaction was to suggest chatting on another platform. Some didn't respond after that but after seeing how often ppm is being mentioned I'm now just going with it. Half expecting a ban coming especially if I piss someone off and get reported.
Some girls are too good to be true. Chatted with a profile of a gorgeous Korean looking girl with a sleeve who immediately asked for ppm. Figured this was too easy so stopped talking and later saw a very similar looking Korean girl with a sleeve. Can't be sure if it was a scammer or a girl who made multiple profiles but so many girls out there to bother if she doesn't pass the sniff test.
On the other hand, some may be the real deal... Time will tell.
Notable potentials:
32 yo AB Malaysian girl. Profile was very subtle but found out she'd done some femdom/worship sessions previously but not PIV. Was open to it with me but asking 600 protected FS. Read previous reports that bbfs was common so I took a pass on this one. Didn't want to invest the time/effort and regret it now as we had a lot in common. Plenty of fish though.
31 yo from Beijing. Cute but was just travelling through. Ignored my question when I asked if she was open to intimacy one morning and said she needed a coffee. Figured she was just looking for a free meal so left it at that.
21yo Jap girl from Tokyo. Loves to party and has that carefree vibe that early 20s girls at OPM do. Because of that I didn't mind her asking for ppm from the get go (good with 500). Takes forever to reply on WhatsApp so probably working through all her options. Invitation for a drink still waiting for a response.
25 yo British arab - dark skin, tatts, curly hair, fit as fuck, great beach body. Was super eager for a long term arrangement mentioned needing to pay rent and wanting to stay for a few years. Reeked of desperation (apparently was into Asian guys lmao). I only commited to drinks and she wanted to be paid for that too as 'it's not a dating site'. Apparently doesn't know what 'mutual' means and wants to treat me with contempt AND take my money. A few girls like this on there but not wasting my time dressing them down before blocking.
21 yo cauc studying a similar field in which I work so we've got commonalities. Was open to intimacy but went quiet after I asked for some face photos. Still holding out hope but I may have scared her away.
29yo Latina with private face and bikini photos. Bangin' bod, petite, ass that's not overly thicc, but just a little bigger than proportional. A face like Miranda Kerr to boot. Slow to reply and waiting for her to add me on WhatsApp. Concerned how likely I am to think with the small head on this one...
29yo Asian (could get a straight answer on her ethnicity). Petite with a cute little nose and skinny thighs. The only one I've met irl and is new to sugaring, has had three bf's and only met with two other SD's who both turned out to be creeps. This sweet little thing offered to pay for my beer at the pub because I got dinner. We got to talking about intimacy and I get the feeling she has not climaxed before. May hit the jackpot if I give her the most romantic and passionate fuck of her life. Looking to meet later this week and excited despite her insisting on CFS. To be continued.
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I'm boomer, what's ppm?
pay-per-meet. Most sugar sites don't want to appear to be escort sites, but most sugars are just escorts with dreams of meeting millionaires.Originally Posted by 1inchguy
The 29 year old Asian seems like your best bet maybe you can keep her long term on the side if you like her. What sort of $$$ will you have to dish out for sex with her?
PPM is to bait in millionaire idiots who made their money through inheritance or lotto winnings rather than hard work.
It's basically a red flag that screams "Gold digger". Like women on the streets who doesn't even want to look at a normie until she realises that he drives a half-million dollar sports car.
I think ppm is the basic way to engage a sugar baby, not millionaire baiting. Perhaps an allowance is more like baiting as you suggest. I have had quite a few SBs over the past couple of years but I stick with ppm. I don’t see the point of paying someone say a weekly allowance if I can’t see her every week. Ppm is pretty common I would suggest
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Great first review, thanks for sharing.
I have used seeking.com for almost 10 years. To add to your comments:
1. Many girls have been on the site for years and they keep deleting and setting up new profiles (but often use their old photos) because when the girls don't pay a fee their profile will show when they joined, so they know that men look to see how long she has been on the site and this tells men if she is a hooker who is simply in denial. These girls are selling sex but feel they have the power to choose which men to have sex with, which is true. It is the old game of "do not insult me, I am not a prostitute." And we men reply, "Of course not."
2. Of course every 'arrangement' has to start at least on PPM basis. Which crazy man out there will agree to pay a woman $5,000 or more a month (some girls ask for much more) without even finding out if they're sexually compatible or even like being together? So the line you take is "to start with, I am more comfortable giving you the allowance every time we meet. And if we like each other and become regular, I will be happy to provide the allowance on a fixed monthly basis."
3. Do not fall for the line, "In my previous arrangement, my SD (sugar daddy) gave me $1,200 (or any other amount) a week." This is a classic line they use to set up your expectations that you are cheap if you are only thinking of $500 PPM. These girls swap stories and strategies with each other on Reddit.com and other sites.
4. Unless you are not married/partnered, keep in mind that the PPM is not the only cost. You will have to pay for hotels or AirBnB each time, which is usually circa $150 to $220. Often, you will also pay for lunch or dinner or room service. So the real net cost to you will be more like $700++ to get laid for a few hours (assuming you pay the girl $500).
5. Very few girls see only one SD, even if they tell you so. They know how to keep secrets, and most of them fuck random guys their age free of charge during the weekends (and some have boyfriends). The fantasy of a rich businessman who owns yachts and jets, and married, and then has an exclusive mistress, is reserved for mega-wealthy guys. "Sugaring" as this is called is not anywhere like having a mistress. Some girls have this fantasy. They often look for Asian rich businessmen because these guys can afford that lifestyle.
I can add much more, but the above should suffice for now.
The only reason why I never got into the sugaring industry. There's all kinds of gotchas like certain private WLs and shop MLs who charges a pineapple for every extras rather than doing a whole package thing to attract stable business. They should learn from professional business environments that when your customers buy bulk they will only come back or stay loyal to you if you give them a bulk buy discount.
That's the plan. Accepted 500 ppm plus like 180 or so for a daytime hotel room as she lives with her family and I with the missus
Update on the 29yo Latina: chatted on WhatsApp and found she was looking for 800ppm. Out of my budget so had to decline but comes across very friendly and candid. Big head prevailed.
800 PPM that is way to much bro I think you have to be fairly well off to afford a sugar baby. For 800 what if you do it and your not really compatible, you wasted all that money. Meantime you could have gone to a brother 3 to 4 times, and seen a few different girls.
$680 all inclusive? Date, dinner, multiple rounds sex, cuddle each other to sleep while naked?
Way to go you can see her at least once a week but how do you hide the expense from your missus?
If he has a missus I think dinner date and sleep over is out of the question?
I talked to one who proposed $500 per meet. Didn't take the offer
Then one day she offered a $200 FS session in a shop in Surry Hills. Didn't take the offer too.
I missed the opportunity to be a Sugardaddy to a WL.
No you'll sleep nicely covered with blanket to avoid catching cold.
And not everybody can be or want to be a multiple rounds machine.
Sugardady to a WL, the girls are just raking it in. I wonder if her $500 time with you as a sugar baby is equivalent to what you get as a $200 session at a shop?I talked to one who proposed $500 per meet. Didn't take the offer
Then one day she offered a $200 FS session in a shop in Surry Hills. Didn't take the offer too.
I missed the opportunity to be a Sugardaddy to a WL.
When I was sugaring quite a bit the average was $500 ppm, I don't really count the other costs as a man has to eat and I might as well eat with a gorgeous girl than eat alone, that's just cost of business. I always preferred girls who host and once we are comfortable with each other I have them at my place as well so I have never paid hotel costs. I know this doesn't apply to potentially most of the guys who are married or live with a partner.
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