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    Sex work on working holiday visa?

    I've met a WL who is paranoid about getting caught because she is on a working holiday visa. But I've looked it up and it seems like sex work is allowed unless there is a condition specifically not allowing it?

    Does anyone know anything about this?

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    Tell her she’s one of hundreds in the same boat.
    Authorities tend to focus more on those who overstay their visa.

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    The Korean government heavily cracks down on their girls going abroad for sex work

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewv View Post
    Tell her she’s one of hundreds in the same boat.
    Authorities tend to focus more on those who overstay their visa.
    So it's not allowed? Do you know where it says that? I can't find it anywhere. Unless it is a default condition that sex work is not allowed?

    Quote Originally Posted by yowser View Post
    The Korean government heavily cracks down on their girls going abroad for sex work
    Not Korean.

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    I think it's less about the sex work and more about the hours. Working holiday means both ie limited hours of work as they are meant to also be travelling and being tourists. Some of these girls work 8 hr shifts or more 4 to 5 days a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoobender View Post
    I think it's less about the sex work and more about the hours. Working holiday means both ie limited hours of work as they are meant to also be travelling and being tourists. Some of these girls work 8 hr shifts or more 4 to 5 days a week
    There's no limit on the hours, the visa allows people to work full time.

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    Only if there's lots of funds in her accounts with no source and tax record.
    That's when they'll investigate further.

    Tell her not to put too much cash in her account.

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    I am listening to FBI radio right now and they are interviewing a Brazilian escort who works in Sydney doing escort and brothel work. Very interesting insights into her life and how hard it can be for international students studying and working in the sex industry.

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    From the horse's mouth:

    "If you hold a Working Holiday (subclass 417) or Work and Holiday (subclass 462) visa, you can do any kind of work over the course of your 12-month stay in Australia. There are limitations on the timeframe you may work with any one employer.

    Mandatory visa condition 8547 limits you to a maximum period of 6 months’ work with any one employer. If your work does not fall within an exemption to condition 8547, you will have to seek permission to work longer than 6 months for the same employer."

    https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visa...ame%20employer.

    It can't be any clearer than that. They can do ANY work they want to do.

    Of course, if they do a job that would be illegal by any other law, eg. Drug dealing, hitman, etc, then they are in trouble because of that law, not due to visa restrictions.
    Sex work is NOT illegal in NSW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yowser View Post
    The Korean government heavily cracks down on their girls going abroad for sex work
    A: why?
    B: how do they know they went for that work?, punishments?, can they stop girls from leaving or returning etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlows View Post
    A: why?
    B: how do they know they went for that work?, punishments?, can they stop girls from leaving or returning etc?
    He's probably referring to North Korea

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    The maximum 6 months with any employer is easily circumvented by a keeper having multiple shelf companies, hence a 'new' employer after 6 months.

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    Going back a few years the 6 month limit also applied to the industry they worked in. So 6 months in sex meant the next 6 months in a completely different job. I think there was a time limit on locations too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    From the horse's mouth:

    "If you hold a Working Holiday (subclass 417) or Work and Holiday (subclass 462) visa, you can do any kind of work over the course of your 12-month stay in Australia. There are limitations on the timeframe you may work with any one employer.

    Mandatory visa condition 8547 limits you to a maximum period of 6 months’ work with any one employer. If your work does not fall within an exemption to condition 8547, you will have to seek permission to work longer than 6 months for the same employer."

    https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visa...ame%20employer.

    It can't be any clearer than that. They can do ANY work they want to do.

    Of course, if they do a job that would be illegal by any other law, eg. Drug dealing, hitman, etc, then they are in trouble because of that law, not due to visa restrictions.
    Sex work is NOT illegal in NSW.
    Yes, as long as you pay tax.
    How many WLs you know pay tax?

    I know a girl who's account has frozen by her bank because of too many cash and PayID deposits.

    Cash in hand jobs does not benefit the government.

    I've helped girls by transferring their cash to accounts OS via WU.

    Working holiday visas are limited to a few Asian countries I think. Taiwan tall and Korea can do it. I don't think Thailand or China are on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlows View Post
    A: why?
    B: how do they know they went for that work?, punishments?, can they stop girls from leaving or returning etc?
    Because around 12 years ago there was a huge influx of Korean WL’s that travelled to America, Canada and Australia to work and they gave Korea a bad image, the K government now issues warnings to their girls going abroad to “study” not to do sex work and if caught they will be penalised when they return home.
    There are rumours that K government sends their people to check, thats one reason why Korean WL’s dont take Korean customers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riff888 View Post
    Yes, as long as you pay tax.
    How many WLs you know pay tax?

    I know a girl who's account has frozen by her bank because of too many cash and PayID deposits.

    Cash in hand jobs does not benefit the government.

    I've helped girls by transferring their cash to accounts OS via WU.

    Working holiday visas are limited to a few Asian countries I think. Taiwan tall and Korea can do it. I don't think Thailand or China are on the list.
    That's tax evasion. They'd get done for that if caught regardless if they're on whatever visa or even a citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    That's tax evasion. They'd get done for that if caught regardless if they're on whatever visa or even a citizen.
    but how does that work here? She makes cash deposits into an overseas bank account, won't her country of origin tax her on that rather than the Australian government?

    I know the ATO will see the money move out of Australia but what's the most they can do? They can kick her out but once the money is overseas they can't touch it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlows View Post
    but how does that work here? She makes cash deposits into an overseas bank account, won't her country of origin tax her on that rather than the Australian government?

    I know the ATO will see the money move out of Australia but what's the most they can do? They can kick her out but once the money is overseas they can't touch it?
    If the bank deems unusual activity, they can freeze the accounts and ask for a please explain. They're more concerned with ALM than sex work but they can pass information to the ATO. The ATO now passes data to Border Force.

    Nothing can be done once the money is outside Australia.

    If the ATO and Immigration find out, it can lead to deportation and entry bans.

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    Don’t know if all the working holiday people are given or must apply a tax file number as conditional to their visa?

    Once they have the TFN, the government can track if they are working and paying tax via Single Touch Payroll on a weekly basis. How good and how closely will the ATO and immigration will work on that is the millions dollars question .

    Like someone had pointed out earlier, have you seen any WL or ML ever pay tax ? And more importantly, would the massage shop or FS place come to the party?

    The most common cases would be they are just here on a short term, work their butts off and pay no tax or like many of the student visa, get a casual job in cafe or restaurant for a day or two but working full time plus in the other industry .

    Plenty of other ways to get around the system too. Cash is King though .

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJBlows View Post
    but how does that work here? She makes cash deposits into an overseas bank account, won't her country of origin tax her on that rather than the Australian government?

    I know the ATO will see the money move out of Australia but what's the most they can do? They can kick her out but once the money is overseas they can't touch it?
    They can move money between borders and leave no trace, it ends up as cash in from one country, cash out at the other country.
    There are operators that will facilitate this. You give me $100 cash here, I get my affiliate to pay your "receiver" $90 cash at the destination country through a simple untraceable phone call. Voila.

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