Hostage situation in Lindt Cafe Martin Place

[uglyphil]

Again, dont use logic
We never get our rights back. The rights of law abiding citizens are eroding more and more each year

Thanks to our criminal friends, we no longer can use the phone, text or use the internet, without everything being collected as "metadata" for 2 years
Police will soon have the power to detain people for unspecified lengths of time, without any formal charges first being laid

There is no logic. Just overwhelming suppression of the law abiding citizen

Huh?

It is Governments that make these laws, not criminals.

[harmony]

Sure uglyphil, the comment has been edited. Just one persons opinion

[uglyphil]

Sadly, I am still waiting for some cowboy to post on social media how if we were allowed to carry handguns in this country such a tragedy could have been avoided. Yes, there are people that are people that are that dumb in this country they actually think this

I think this is one instance where our gun laws have probably worked.. it's obviously not good the hostage taker was able to get his hands on a shotgun but imagine how much worse it could have been if he had access to automatic or semiautomatic weapons as in the USA..

Exactly Kezza.

Unfortunately, it appears I have been proven correct. Even more unfortunately the cowboy is one of our pollies

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/2580...e-wrong-baird/

[uglyphil]

Sure uglyphil, the comment has been edited. Just one persons opinion

Thanks. **thumbs up**

[cleetusvandamme]

Huh?

It is Governments that make these laws, not criminals.

You're using logic dude, big mistake.
Don't worry, I did it too.

[Sam0001]

Until convicted of serious offences (which may have happened although the accessory to murder charge was "weak" according to the magistrate) it would have been very difficult to strip him of his Australian citizenship and deport him. Writing distasteful letters is not a serious crime. Harmony's suggestion that someone be deported for criticising the country must be challenged (a heat of the moment statement which may be understandable?) fortunately we live in a democracy where free speech is respected (subject to the reasonable limitations that exist). anyone should be free to criticise the country they live in - this is not a totalitarian State like China, Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia etc. nor can a free democratic society deny someone access to a lawyer. The bail issue is different, but without all relevant information it is difficult to say whether the decision was wrong (without the benefit of hindsight). I will now step off the soapbox.

Iran in 2000, wanted him extradited for violent and fraudulent crimes whilst his asylum application was pending in Australia. Australia decided not to send him back because, well, we didn't have any extradition legislation to do so. However, we could have sent him back based on the evidence from Iran Police (I would have thought these are the type of asylum seekers we don't want, especially when a red flag is waved in our face). Once he was granted asylum in 2001, he became our problem, we all know how that panned out.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sydney-s...17-128qoi.html

His wife is a piece of work as well

[AHLUNGOR]

Iran in 2000, wanted him extradited for violent and fraudulent crimes whilst his asylum application was pending in Australia. Australia decided not to send him back because, well, we didn't have any extradition legislation to do so. However, we could have sent him back based on the evidence from Iran Police (I would have thought these are the type of asylum seekers we don't want, especially when a red flag is waved in our face). Once he was granted asylum in 2001, he became our problem, we all know how that panned out.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sydney-s...17-128qoi.html

His wife is a piece of work as well

That might have something to do with - the enemy of your enemy could be your friend ? Theory ? Like, if it was the US, UK or Turkey that wanted the guy, we would have sent him back in the first plane !

I don't think the Australian government ever has too much political tide with Iran anyway!

[CunningLinguist]

Iran in 2000, wanted him extradited for violent and fraudulent crimes whilst his asylum application was pending in Australia. Australia decided not to send him back because, well, we didn't have any extradition legislation to do so. However, we could have sent him back based on the evidence from Iran Police (I would have thought these are the type of asylum seekers we don't want, especially when a red flag is waved in our face). Once he was granted asylum in 2001, he became our problem, we all know how that panned out.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sydney-s...17-128qoi.html

His wife is a piece of work as well

The NSW government has called for an investigation into why Monis "slipped through the cracks" of the judicial system and was released from custody.

We must have some pretty big cracks ...

[harmony]

"we didn't have any extradition legislation to do so"
No, but if immigrants from war affected countries are given a probationary period, before they earn citizenship, then they can be deported
This man was wanted for fraud charges in Iran - the Iranian government notified the Australian government about this issue

This guy was facing sexual assault charges within 6 years of his arrival into the country, from 2002 (court due to proceed in 2015)
During this time he was impersonating a religious leader/sheik (which is a huge issue in itself)
In addition, was was awaiting court proceedings regarding allegations of accessory to murder

Most of these nutjobs give consistent indications they are unfit to remain in Australia within the first few years of arrival

We just need to keep our eyes open

[jadeofsydney]

His wife is a piece of work as well

Looks like common sense has prevailed. Amirah Droudis had her bail revoked this afternoon.

[wildeowl]

If there is no extradition treaty with Iran, Australia could not have sent him back there.

[wildeowl]

He could have been denied refugee status but obviously those who make these decisions thought otherwise. Maybe the Iranian charges lacked substance?

[Sextus]

I read that they are having trouble finding a moslem funeral plarlour to bury him. A moslem leader said he should be "dumped out at sea, or down a shithouse."

[AHLUNGOR]

I read that they are having trouble finding a moslem funeral plarlour to bury him. A moslem leader said he should be "dumped out at sea, or down a shithouse."

May be we can learn from the US what they did to Bin Laden's body !

Dumped at sea but in accordance with Muslim traditions and do it respectively !

[CunningLinguist]

He wasn't a real cleric either ...