Domestic Violence – “A Media Beat Up”

[Penitent Penetrator]

Domestic Violence – “A Media Beat Up”

I just had the misfortune of hearing a televised Domestic Violence debate. There was no mention at all of violence against children or men, only violence against women. The panel constituted several so-called prominent women “in the field.” Less than 100 women are killed per year from Domestic Violence (DV). Yet, it is currently described in the media as an “epidemic” a “tsunami” and by Premier Baird as a “plague.”

The skewed nature of the entire debate is breathtaking – there is no context or perspective with regard to statistics showing factors that kill women in vastly greater numbers. The statistics (see below) clearly show just how miniscule the numbers of female mortalities are (less than 100 a year) as a result of domestic violence, in comparison to female mortalities resulting from: lung cancer, breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, gynaecological cancer, melanoma, cardio-vascular disease, suicide, car accidents, etc, etc, etc.

Thus, DV is not “the biggest threat to women’s lives” as is so wrongly and hatefully suggested by the misandrist media. Once the DV figures are given accurate context and perspective they look incredibly insignificant, statistically. Undoubtedly, this is a most bitter pill to swallow for the hate-filled shit-peddlers doing what they do best – peddling a grotesque falsehood for their own vested interests.

Statistics Providing Necessary Perspective:

Road deaths in 2013, total 1192: 856 male & 336 female.
(source: Aust Govt, Road Deaths Statisitical Report 2014).

Suicide Deaths 2012, total 2535: 1901 males & 634 females.
(source: Lifeline & Australian Bureaux of Statistics).

Cancer Deaths in 2011.
Lung Cancer, total 8114: 4959 male & 3155 female.
Bowel Cancer, total 3999: 2219 males & 1780 females.
Breast Cancer, total 2937: 0023 males & 2914 females.
Pancreatic Cncr, total 2416: 1219 males & 1198 females.
Gynaecological, total 1502: 0000 males & 1502 females.
Melanoma Cncr, total 1544: 1071 males & 473 females.
Stomach Cancer, total 1140: 715 males & 425 females.
Liver Cancer, total 1423: 980 males & 443 females.
(source: Aust Govt / Cancer Australia 2012).

Cardio Vascular Disease Deaths 2012.
Total 43895: with 20953 males & 22942 females.
(source: The Heart Foundation 2013)

The statistics very clearly show that many more women die from: various cancers; cardio vascular disease; suicide; and even road accidents, than from family or domestic violence. Thus, if this matter of domestic violence is put in statistical context and perspective, life-style choices & behaviours and associated general health issues are very significantly more dangerous to women than domestic violence.

I have heard the words "epidemic" "tsunami" "biggest threat" “plague” used by various feminist advocates, and now intellectual featherweight Premier Baird, in respect of the number of female deaths resulting from domestic violence. This abondonment to exaggerated rhetoric or hyperbole is embarassing to say the least, even for those whose job it is to actively advocate on the subject. They do their cause, and society, a gross disservice.

Domestic violence is categorically not the greatest threat to women’s lives, and those who advocate this are peddling a dangerous falsehood. By promoting this idea, by encouraging women to have heightened fears of men, and to be acutely sensitive to the concept & idea of domestic violence, they are creating a framework that will generate and induce further problems in domestic relationships. Where once a minor difference of opinion between partners would be discounted, by both involved, as nothing more than a frank discussion, the same exchange now may be seen by the ultra feminized female as a form of domestic violence perpetrated against her – a form of manipulation and psycholgical abuse. By planting the seed of fear, doubt, & mistrust of men in her head, via all manner of media platforms & advertising, they are generating the problem that they say they seek to address.

Meanwhile, the vote catching intellectual featherweight, Premier Baird, gleefully announces various government programs & people registers, that will see the state apparatus continue its steady creep into our government-laden lives, and nothing whatsoever is said. Even as he uttered the words “we must give women the choice” with respect to permitting them to check any likely man on the proposed register, he is blissfully ignorant of the fact that men should also be checking any likely female on the proposed register. But, of course, he and the media just don’t want to talk about the increasing propensity to violence of women. No mention of the 8 children killed by the mother up in northern Australia and other such incidents pepetrated by women. The hateful message the misandrist media, and numbskull politicians are sending, is an unveiled attack on men everywhere – men are bad, women are good, women need the full support of the media & state apparatus.

The entire DV debate is horribly skewed, without proper context and perspective. It demonstrates just how ethically and morally bankrupt both politicians and the media really are, to promote a hateful message to women that they should mistrust and fear men. Especially when there so many other factors that more significantly affect women’s lives. It is a contemptible disgrace that men are under such attack.

[Oneonone]

Well bro what you say may well be right but why should anyone man or woman for that matter have the right to commit domestic violence against another human being the figures should be zero.

I agree some woman are just as bad as the men but the thing is just because you have superior strength that does not give you the right to abuse others who in most cases rely on you for support and protection.

Any for of violence against another human being should not be tolerated or accepted in our society. If everyone respected the rights of others we would have a much better society.

[Penitent Penetrator]

Well bro what you say may well be right but why should anyone man or woman for that matter have the right to commit domestic violence against another human being the figures should be zero.

I agree some woman are just as bad as the men but the thing is just because you have superior strength that does not give you the right to abuse others who in most cases rely on you for support and protection.

Any for of violence against another human being should not be tolerated or accepted in our society. If everyone respected the rights of others we would have a much better society.

I agree with you. But I'm very concerned that the media/political debate is so horribly skewed and out of perspective (less than 100 female deaths a year from DV) in
comparison to other factors posing a massively greater threat to women's lives (suicide, car accidents, various cancers, cardio vascular disease), that the hateful debate will do more harm than good.
I truly believe the hateful message being sent to women to mistrust and fear men, will only make the problem worse. Women will become more confrontational, both in terms of attitude and behaviour, and men will respond.

[cleetusvandamme]

2 women are killed every week by their partners in Australia. How many men are killed by their partners?

Also, why do you hate women?

[Penitent Penetrator]

2 women are killed every week by their partners in Australia. How many men are killed by their partners?

Also, why do you hate women?

I don't hate women, not at all, but I'm not keen on misandrists (man-haters) whether they are women or men. The current media/political debate
is horribly skewed without sensible context or perspective. As I mentioned above, there are many factors killing women at vastly greater rates than DV,
but unless you are prepared to face statistical facts & perspective, you are likely to wrongly believe DV is a much bigger problem than than it actually is.
The matter has become highly politicised with all common sense long since lost in the misandrist media/political treatment.

[cleetusvandamme]

I don't hate women, not at all, but I'm not keen on misandrists (man-haters) whether they are women or men. The current media/political debate
is horribly skewed without sensible context or perspective. As I mentioned above, there are many factors killing women at vastly greater rates than DV,
but unless you are prepared to face statistical facts & perspective, you are likely to wrongly believe DV is a much bigger problem than than it actually is.
The matter has become highly politicised with all common sense long since lost in the misandrist media/political treatment.

The statistics you have quoted are mostly illnesses and accidents so not really relevant or comparable. Where's your statistics on violence against men by women?
And the 100 a year is just deaths, not injury and hospitalisation which is far greater.

I look forward to your next thread, "why do the gays get a parade when there are more straight people in the population?" It might even be better than your one about the last federal budget.

[Licker]

I look forward to your next thread, "why do the gays get a parade when there are more straight people in the population?" It might even be better than your one about the last federal budget.

And I'm waiting for the thread "Why are poets frown upon and banned more often than others?"

[uglyphil]

And I'm waiting for the thread "Why are poets frown upon and banned more often than others?"

It is rather sad that admin can ban someone like Yamada for life (probably correctly). Yet this little tool just always comes back like a horrible case of Herpes

[Penitent Penetrator]

This is a very topical and relevant debate for all men, women (and indeed children). Unfortunately, men and children
are seldom mentioned because the debate has already been hijacked by the misandrist feminists. The horribly skewed
nature of the media/political debate is both embarrassing and dangerous for all concerned.

I welcome any intelligent contributions, or cogent arguments, on this very serious "general discussion" thread.

Thanks.

[birch]

This isn't a debate. It's simply yet another irrelevant rant by a nonentity that seems to be threatened by empowered women.

PP, just in case you have indeed been under a rock for the last couple of months - the current Australian of the Year was awarded her honour due to her plight and her effectiveness in helping to ensure abused women have a greater chance of receiving help before they do become a statistic. If the fact that she and her issues are receiving a bit of media oxygen as a result is a concern to you - suck it up, I honestly doubt you'll find much sympathy on this forum or elsewhere.

[Penitent Penetrator]

This isn't a debate. It's simply yet another irrelevant rant by a nonentity that seems to be threatened by empowered women.

PP, just in case you have indeed been under a rock for the last couple of months - the current Australian of the Year was awarded her honour due to her plight and her effectiveness in helping to ensure abused women have a greater chance of receiving help before they do become a statistic. If the fact that she and her issues are receiving a bit of media oxygen as a result is a concern to you - suck it up, I honestly doubt you'll find much sympathy on this forum or elsewhere.

I notice you haven't questioned the statistical facts or perspective that I have provided on this issue.
You prefer to "go on the attack" so to speak. It would seem you are threatened by fact-based or evidence-based discussion.

The question I raise is whether or not it is genuinely helpful to have a media/political debate about domestic violence which is so skewed that it becomes only a discussion about violence against women, to the exclusion of children and men. Further, basic statistics on mortality rates for women clearly indicate that there are many other factors posing a vastly greater threat to women’s lives. So, is it appropriate to use highly exaggerated rhetoric such as “epidemic,” “tsunami,” “biggest threat” and “plague” with respect to domestic violence? The debate has been hijacked by the misandrist media & feminist lobby, resulting in a completely “out of perspective” politicized discussion which will, in all likelihood, cultivate a further growth in the problems that they say they seek to address. When statistical prespective is completely lost, as it now is in the media, the domestic violence debate simply becomes an ideological joyride for anyone who wants to attack men.

[cleetusvandamme]

I questioned your statistics and perspective and as usual you didn't respond to that, you just became defensive.
To say the media is misandrist is laughable. You must be one of those middle aged white men who think men are being oppressed simply because you are threatened by women's equality.
You may not even realise you hate women because it's a subconscious fear probably caused by an abusive mother or other female figure in your childhood.
You don't want debate you just want attention. It makes me sad that you are that lonely so I'll be avoiding your pathetic misogynist rantings.

[Penitent Penetrator]

I questioned your statistics and perspective and as usual you didn't respond to that, you just became defensive.
To say the media is misandrist is laughable. You must be one of those middle aged white men who think men are being oppressed simply because you are threatened by women's equality.
You may not even realise you hate women because it's a subconscious fear probably caused by an abusive mother or other female figure in your childhood.
You don't want debate you just want attention. It makes me sad that you are that lonely so I'll be avoiding your pathetic misogynist rantings.

It seems you have a propensity for inaccurate commentary and unnecessary verbal attack, do you also have a propensity to violence? You sound like an ultra-conditioned feminist.

Back to the facts of the matter.....and well needed perspective.

I listed some statistics showing “mortality rates for women” across several health related issues and also suicide and car accidents. These statistics squarely place the domestic violence statistics in the right and proper context and perpective. Less than 100 women are killed per year through domestic violence. Thus, the mortality rates I have shown clearly show how miniscule the domestic violence numbers are when placed in the statistical context of other female mortality rates.

The media/political debate has lost all context and perspective on the domestic violence issue. They barely mention children and men in the discussion, and they label the small number of deaths as an “epidemic” “tsunami” and “plague.” It is quite ridiculous. As previously stated, the debate has been hijacked by the misandrist media & feminist lobby. When statistical prespective is completely lost, as it now is in the media, the domestic violence debate simply becomes an ideological joyride for anyone who wants to attack men.

[uglyphil]

I questioned your statistics and perspective and as usual you didn't respond to that, you just became defensive.
To say the media is misandrist is laughable. You must be one of those middle aged white men who think men are being oppressed simply because you are threatened by women's equality.
You may not even realise you hate women because it's a subconscious fear probably caused by an abusive mother or other female figure in your childhood.
You don't want debate you just want attention. It makes me sad that you are that lonely so I'll be avoiding your pathetic misogynist rantings.

cleetus, everything you have said is 100% true and accurate. You too birch

Now at the OP's request he wants something intelligent said in this thread so here they are.

1. This is my final reply in this thread and I respectfully suggest to everyone else that they no longer reply to this thread (or any other started by PP again). The most intelligent acronym for the Internet is DFTT, and there is no greater troll on this forum than this micro-dick. From experience he will not respond to logic, so it is useless trying. As cleetus said, all he wants is attention and he doesn't deserve it.

2. At the top of the thread you'll see a drop-down menu that says "Rate This Thread". Instead of replying, give this thread a rating of "Terrible" and move on.

3. If no one replies he will continuously bump this thread with non-nonsensical statements (much like the original post), in fact he mostly just repeats what he has said earlier in spite of being shown to be wrong. In this regard, this goose is basically the online equivalent of Andrew Bolt - a person the OP shares great affinity with (and has stated with other banned names that he also has great admiration for Bolt as well). While this is annoying, it is not enough to get worked up over and respond as you are actually rewarding him, not the other way around. Note that not once in this post have I responded to the OP. He is not worth my time. However other posters on this forum are and I am simply trying to give you all the benefit of experience in dealing with this moron.

4. If you feel strongly enough about this "person's" hatred of anything that isn't like him (and if you read through posts created by his many other banned personas you will see that he hates nearly every one and everything - after all there are, thankfully, very few people actually like him), then do not reply to the thread, report it instead. You do this by clicking on the little black triangle with an exclamation mark in it. While the moderators here do remove disgusting threads they can only really do so once a certain number of people have complained, So complain loudly and strongly.

5. Finally, I strongly suggest you all go to his profile and add him to your ignore list. This way, any posts he does make will not appear on your screen and you will not feel the need to respond. As a courtesy, I ask all other members who do (in the fit of a brain-snap) respond to this "person" to at the very least NOT QUOTE ANY OF HIS POSTS. If you do then his post appears in yours and those of us who want to ignore him will now see his vile words.

My apologies to all for bumping this very dubious thread, I will not do so again.

[Penitent Penetrator]

Well bro what you say may well be right but why should anyone man or woman for that matter have the right to commit domestic violence against another human being the figures should be zero. I agree some woman are just as bad as the men

I'm entirely in agreement with you OneonOne.

My concern is with the skewed debate that barely discusses domestic violence against men and children, but focuses exclusively on women.
As I said, the media/political debate has been hijacked by the ultra-conditioned feminists (or misandrist man-haters) who refuse to look at the
domestic violence issue in context and with perspective.

When comparing female mortality rates you can only compare the various factors that kill women i.e from health to care accidents. The stats I
provided at the beginning clearly show that the 100 deaths of women (less actually) a year from domestic violence are miniscule when compared to
the other mortality rates. Yet, the media dabate on DV uses grossly exaggerated language like "epidemic" "tsunami" and "plague." This is quite ridiculous,
and it does a disservice to those seeking to have an intelligent debate on a serious issue. When statistical prespective is completely lost, as it now is
in the media, the domestic violence debate simply becomes an ideological joyride for anyone who wants to attack men.

When the issue is viewed in perspective, the bubble of "frenzied and politicized feminist media debate" bursts. This is why they refuse to look at the issue
in proper context and perspective. Ultimately, this can only make the matter worse by sowing the seed of mistrust and fear into the heads of
impressionable women, who will increasingly take a more confrontational approach to their relationships and encounters with men.

[wilisno]

Where is Sextus when we need his words of approval ?

[CunningLinguist]

cleetus, everything you have said is 100% true and accurate. You too birch

Now at the OP's request he wants something intelligent said in this thread so here they are.

1. This is my final reply in this thread and I respectfully suggest to everyone else that they no longer reply to this thread (or any other started by PP again). The most intelligent acronym for the Internet is DFTT, and there is no greater troll on this forum than this micro-dick. From experience he will not respond to logic, so it is useless trying. As cleetus said, all he wants is attention and he doesn't deserve it.

2. At the top of the thread you'll see a drop-down menu that says "Rate This Thread". Instead of replying, give this thread a rating of "Terrible" and move on.

3. If no one replies he will continuously bump this thread with non-nonsensical statements (much like the original post), in fact he mostly just repeats what he has said earlier in spite of being shown to be wrong. In this regard, this goose is basically the online equivalent of Andrew Bolt - a person the OP shares great affinity with (and has stated with other banned names that he also has great admiration for Bolt as well). While this is annoying, it is not enough to get worked up over and respond as you are actually rewarding him, not the other way around. Note that not once in this post have I responded to the OP. He is not worth my time. However other posters on this forum are and I am simply trying to give you all the benefit of experience in dealing with this moron.

4. If you feel strongly enough about this "person's" hatred of anything that isn't like him (and if you read through posts created by his many other banned personas you will see that he hates nearly every one and everything - after all there are, thankfully, very few people actually like him), then do not reply to the thread, report it instead. You do this by clicking on the little black triangle with an exclamation mark in it. While the moderators here do remove disgusting threads they can only really do so once a certain number of people have complained, So complain loudly and strongly.

5. Finally, I strongly suggest you all go to his profile and add him to your ignore list. This way, any posts he does make will not appear on your screen and you will not feel the need to respond. As a courtesy, I ask all other members who do (in the fit of a brain-snap) respond to this "person" to at the very least NOT QUOTE ANY OF HIS POSTS. If you do then his post appears in yours and those of us who want to ignore him will now see his vile words.

My apologies to all for bumping this very dubious thread, I will not do so again.

Great post!
For those wondering what his other banned ids are you can read all about it here
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.ph...gain-and-again
and I put together a little psychological profile of him here:
http://forum.aus99.com/showthread.ph...oet-quot-troll

[Penitent Penetrator]

And I'm waiting for the thread "Why are poets frown upon and banned more often than others?"

Are you able to grasp the core point that men and children are largely excluded from the media's domestic violence debate?
(not withstanding that 8 children were recently killed by a woman, their mother, in northern Australia).

Further, are you able to grasp the statistical fact that female mortalities from domestic violence (< 100 a year) are miniscule
when compared to mortality rates for women derived from various other factors & threats as listed in the original post?

Two very simple questions. Do you have two simple yes or no answers?

[cleetusvandamme]

Ultimately, this can only make the matter worse by sowing the seed of mistrust and fear into the heads of
impressionable women, who will increasingly take a more confrontational approach to their relationships and encounters with men.

Yes it's the women's fault they get killed.

[duksta]

As usual, we see one fact poorly used to support a completely hysterical and unfounded opinion. So how about some actual facts.

http://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/bocsar/bocsar_mr_bb61.html

The actual stats (albeit a few years old) show that -
82% of all domestic assaults reported to police are perpetrated by Men.
20% of victims were between 10-24 years old
Rural and regional NSW is more likely to report assaults.
It's a serious problem in indigenous communities.
Alcohol is frequently associated.

None of these facts talk to misandry. Encouraging this sort of noise and nonsense is what breeds hate. Go look at yourself before criticising others.