Dinner date with a WL?

[New2Punting]

Is there any legal issues (from shop point of view?) to ask WL for out at first place?
As shop might see this differently where you are trying to bypass them. Just curious...

[batman_21]

Is there any legal issues (from shop point of view?) to ask WL for out at first place?
As shop might see this differently where you are trying to bypass them. Just curious...

I seriously doubt that any shop has any written contract with any WL. These girls switch shops almost as frequently as blokes switch WLs. Furthermore, even if there was some written agreement between WL and shops, I doubt there's a non-solicit/do not accept solicitations from customers/non-compete clause.

Even if there were, how on earth could it be enforceable? As the rest of the thread states, WLs are people too. They have private lives. They get to do what they want in their private life. How many other normal civilians have dated someone (even a customer) they met at work?

BM21

[aussiegaigin]

Probably no strictly legal issues, but most shops would have a policy of "no fraternising with customers" which could result in dismissal if they found out.

But many girls openly work at two or more shops, so that sort of negates any "exclusiveness" to one shop. But even such girls have declined my offers of a private session on the grounds of "boss not allow".

[yug]

Is there any legal issues (from shop point of view?) to ask WL for out at first place?
As shop might see this differently where you are trying to bypass them. Just curious...

There are no legal issues.
It's just that some shops might not care whereas others do.

Like, in Ginza, it's not allowed for a WL to go out with a customer.
Actually it was written on the walls once; not sure if it's still there.
I have heard few stories of WLs being fired for that and customers being banned from coming to the shop.
Again, these are just rumors and stuffs told to me by other WLs.
So do not hold it against me.

Despite all this, I have seen few of Ginza and 278 girls outside hand in hand with customers.
And asking for number and WeChat is so common that 8 out of 10 new customers will probably ask for WL's number.
Obviously depending on her looks and service, it could be less or more.
Therefore, No matter how much policing you do, it does happen in the end.

Most of the WLs give their number because they are afraid you will complain and turn vindictive.
Some do not want to loose you as a customer. So most of time, it will lead to nothing.

Personally, I gave up asking out WL 2 years ago as it is not worth it and is a total waste of time and money.
And I feel too old to play all these games.

[batman_21]

There are no legal issues.
Most of the WLs give their number because they are afraid you will complain and turn vindictive.
Some do not want to loose you as a customer. So most of time, it will lead to nothing.

Yeah, in this business -- when a (loyal) customer asks a you for your number, you give him your number -- regardless of your intent. At minimum, you want to keep him as a loyal customer.

[Climax598]

There are no legal issues.
It's just that some shops might not care whereas others do.

Like, in Ginza, it's not allowed for a WL to go out with a customer.
Actually it was written on the walls once; not sure if it's still there.
I have heard few stories of WLs being fired for that and customers being banned from coming to the shop.
Again, these are just rumors and stuffs told to me by other WLs.
So do not hold it against me.

Despite all this, I have seen few of Ginza and 278 girls outside hand in hand with customers.
And asking for number and WeChat is so common that 8 out of 10 new customers will probably ask for WL's number.
Obviously depending on her looks and service, it could be less or more.
Therefore, No matter how much policing you do, it does happen in the end.

Most of the WLs give their number because they are afraid you will complain and turn vindictive.
Some do not want to loose you as a customer. So most of time, it will lead to nothing.

Personally, I gave up asking out WL 2 years ago as it is not worth it and is a total waste of time and money.
And I feel too old to play all these games.

You can go out with 278/Ginza girls, if the girls want to go out with you. Some will say yes some will say no. That's normal in asking a girl for a date. As long as the girls come to work as agree on date and time then management is ok with it. The shops earn money per room per hour being use by customer. Asking wl out is for fun but for relationship would be near to 0.

[lonely heart]

Personally, I gave up asking out WL 2 years ago as it is not worth it and is a total waste of time and money.
And I feel too old to play all these games.

Most realistic comment and had been said many times.

Call me a pessimist. I always think WL/ML have an agenda. While there has been 1 or 2 girls (over more than ten years) who actually like me and want to go out with me. Most of them have an agenda, range from simply want you to write them a report on forum to the extreme that they are after the passport. Even in those rare cases the girl likes you, you always end up spending more with nice dinner and a not so crap hotel room.

The good thing of taking a girl out is obviously you got to bang her all night if you can and she is up to it. Also the high possibility of all natural play. While the con is apart from spending more money as I mentioned. Being spotted with another girl for those who is in a relationship is extremely damaging. Yes people has said it "I have all corners covers...", and I have seen those people with shit blow up right in their face.....Murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong".

[mankind]

Call me lucky, my regular offered me a dinner date outside but I just rejected, for me what's in the shop just stays in the shop! But everyone is different!

[Climax598]

There are no legal issues.
It's just that some shops might not care whereas others do.

Like, in Ginza, it's not allowed for a WL to go out with a customer.
Actually it was written on the walls once; not sure if it's still there.
I have heard few stories of WLs being fired for that and customers being banned from coming to the shop.
Again, these are just rumors and stuffs told to me by other WLs.
So do not hold it against me.

Despite all this, I have seen few of Ginza and 278 girls outside hand in hand with customers.
And asking for number and WeChat is so common that 8 out of 10 new customers will probably ask for WL's number.
Obviously depending on her looks and service, it could be less or more.
Therefore, No matter how much policing you do, it does happen in the end.

Most of the WLs give their number because they are afraid you will complain and turn vindictive.
Some do not want to loose you as a customer. So most of time, it will lead to nothing.

Personally, I gave up asking out WL 2 years ago as it is not worth it and is a total waste of time and money.
And I feel too old to play all these games.

Most realistic comment and had been said many times.

Call me a pessimist. I always think WL/ML have an agenda. While there has been 1 or 2 girls (over more than ten years) who actually like me and want to go out with me. Most of them have an agenda, range from simply want you to write them a report on forum to the extreme that they are after the passport. Even in those rare cases the girl likes you, you always end up spending more with nice dinner and a not so crap hotel room.

The good thing of taking a girl out is obviously you got to bang her all night if you can and she is up to it. Also the high possibility of all natural play. While the con is apart from spending more money as I mentioned. Being spotted with another girl for those who is in a relationship is extremely damaging. Yes people has said it "I have all corners covers...", and I have seen those people with shit blow up right in their face.....Murphy's law: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong".

That is very true shit blow up right in their face. That's why I only see my regular at the shop. Sydney is too small you can be spotted by friend, relative, workmate, if single then is ok. She want to go to this place in the city i say no she ask why, I told her I have work near this place before so have friend. The other time she want to go to burwood I have friends and relatives live in that place. So we agreed to see only at the shop.

[Momoe]

Like I have said previously, its more likely you score some goodies if the WLs/MLs are new to the game and naive. Veterans know whats up and make good use out of it

And if you are single and up to the challenge, just go for it. No pain no gain

[xboyx]

So brothers, the most amazing thing happened.

She ended up calling me at around 4 PM and we made plans to go to a sushi place close to my apartment. She also asked if she could bring a GF, and not wanting to offend, I said sure, why not.

We met at the restaurant and lo and behold, her GF is cute as hell too. We start ordering sushi and sake, and by the 3rd bottle of sake (man, these Japanese girls can drink like fish), we're all having a great time and my date leans over to me and whispers into my ear, "Can all 3 of us go to your apartment?" Of course, I say. I quickly settle the bill and we head over to my apartment.

Much to my pleasant surprise, as soon as I usher both of them in thru the door of my apartment, the 2 ladies start making out, full on DFK, even before the door closes, and my jaw just kind of drops like oh man, I really hit the bonus zone. I start getting hard just watching them DFK. My friend looks at me and wags her finger to come over and join.

The next three hours was a no condom, full-girl-on-girl-on-guy three way that was beyond my wildest expectations. Both women were insatiable, and I was shocked that they were still able to rouse junior after I came a 3rd time...

Just kidding. She was a no show. I stayed at home and watched footie.

BM21

LOL good one, you got my heart racing till the end

[harrycd]

That is very true shit blow up right in their face. That's why I only see my regular at the shop. Sydney is too small you can be spotted by friend, relative, workmate, if single then is ok. She want to go to this place in the city i say no she ask why, I told her I have work near this place before so have friend. The other time she want to go to burwood I have friends and relatives live in that place. So we agreed to see only at the shop.

That's more on you lol, funnily enough I was eating at a place on dixon st with friends on Friday, saw a older white bloke (50-60?) with a young chinese girl in her early 20s and noone gives a fuck lol, each to their own.

LOL good one, you got my heart racing till the end

Yeah it was quite a good write up, but also shows how gullible I am and makes me wonder about a lot of AR's on here lol

[cuteguy]

From my experience of dating few WLs, they are very fickle.
In fact, 60% either change their plans last minute or do not turn up.

Early 2013, I dated a WL. On our third date, I told her that I am going to book a hotel and we shall bump uglies.
But at the end of the date, she was rather tired and showed real disinterest for sex (though I was already all over her).
Since she was not in the mood, I didn't go ahead with it. But I did manage to make her feel that she owes me big time on our next date.
On the 4th date, she finally caved.

I guess what I am trying to say is: "You can't even count on the sure-shot ones; let alone ones with slim possibilities."
So do not expect too much.
And most importantly, do not presume to have sex on the first date.
That rarely happens.

Expecting sex on your first date with a WL is like: "Expecting your accountant to do your taxes that evening after you paid for her dinner".
Only 10 times worse.
Ok, may be not the best analogy.

But what I mean to say is: It will make her feel more cheap and whorey than she already feels.
The right way to do it is to treat them like any other normal girl and expect sex on the third date.

Most WLs are not reliable and don't have high hopes in believing their promises to you such as having dinner together or going out socially. Sometimes they will make comment at the spur of the moment when they are with you in the shop and later forget you as quickly as they escort you out of the room. In the end, actions speak louder than words.

[Riff888]

I am an advocate of this.

Just treat her as you would any other girl. I don't even see a difference.

Obviously you have nothing to worry about if you're single.

If you are married or in a relationship, then this is just like any affair, it will lead to a separation or even divorce if found out.

Just go for it and have fun, life is short.

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[QueenofObi]

Excellent imagination

So brothers, the most amazing thing happened.

She ended up calling me at around 4 PM and we made plans to go to a sushi place close to my apartment. She also asked if she could bring a GF, and not wanting to offend, I said sure, why not.

We met at the restaurant and lo and behold, her GF is cute as hell too. We start ordering sushi and sake, and by the 3rd bottle of sake (man, these Japanese girls can drink like fish), we're all having a great time and my date leans over to me and whispers into my ear, "Can all 3 of us go to your apartment?" Of course, I say. I quickly settle the bill and we head over to my apartment.

Much to my pleasant surprise, as soon as I usher both of them in thru the door of my apartment, the 2 ladies start making out, full on DFK, even before the door closes, and my jaw just kind of drops like oh man, I really hit the bonus zone. I start getting hard just watching them DFK. My friend looks at me and wags her finger to come over and join.

The next three hours was a no condom, full-girl-on-girl-on-guy three way that was beyond my wildest expectations. Both women were insatiable, and I was shocked that they were still able to rouse junior after I came a 3rd time...

Just kidding. She was a no show. I stayed at home and watched footie.

BM21

[New2Punting]

Is there any legal issues (from shop point of view?) to ask WL for out at first place?
As shop might see this differently where you are trying to bypass them. Just curious...

Sorry guys I should have mentioned that,
asking WL her number or contact just for sex arrangements outside shop not for any dinner date or serious relationship. Is that ok to ask?

[yug]

Sorry guys I should have mentioned that,
asking WL her number or contact just for sex arrangements outside shop not for any dinner date or serious relationship. Is that ok to ask?

Technically, No!
But I have done it before.

Here is what you need to know/do :

1) You should have visited her at least once. Don't ask her for any kind of arrangement on the first visit.
She may complain your ass to her boss if she hardly knows you.

2) Better to build a trust/rapport with someone you like. Be her regular and then ask.
I rarely ask for a girl for an arrangement outside but, when it has happened, I have asked her after at least my 5th visit.

3) There should be tacit agreement between you two that this will never come out in public.
Her job's on the line. Plus there is no reason to brag about it as, you know, we all are over-sexed and spoiled with choices for promiscuity.
So you slept with a girl, what's new?

4) Don't cheapen out. Take her to a proper dinner and then to a proper hotel (doesn't need to be 5 star; a clean one will do).

5) Book a hotel that can be cancelled before the day of stay. This is very crucial.
WLs are very flaky. They change their minds really quick. Sometimes they feel too tired to go out on the day you proposed even though they agreed to it.
Nothing's set on stone here.

6) Before booking the hotel, tell her that you have booked the hotel. This will make her either feel that's too late to back out or, if she really needs to cancel, it
gives her the perfect opportunity to cancel.

7) Don't drink too much or else you will have hard time getting it up.
Just drink enough to have slow, unadulterated fun.

8) Only make arrangement with the girl you have strong sexual connection with (otherwise, you might as well do her at the shop).
Idea of arrangement is very appealing but, in reality, it can feel a bit overrated if you are doing it with the wrong person.

9) Be ready to fork out $500-$1000.
$500 will get you dinner date and probably few hours of sex.
$1000 will probably get you overnight with the lady.
As you can see, not worth it to do often on; unless, you are cashed-up.

All the Very Best!

[liminal]

why the confusion amongst some and significant assumptions by all n sundry (me included)


There is no discernible difference between a working and non working gal , when they make a decision to date /relationship or some variation

Yes of course , they are and can be made weary by constant requests made by
Hopeful customers and more wary or .other forms of thought/ behaviours

I saw one woman for 4 months outside of any shop ( though she did also work private ,; which led to some disconcerting and hilarious situations) before she decided I met her strict relationship criteria ... even then and after promises of exclusivity (I always knew not possible) and many months of serious dating.. I found on the last day she was in Sydney readying to go abroad , no longer working and before moving (I was getting her) .. a ‘loyal ‘ customer had stayed the Night ... that was one of the more hilarious moments

However despite anyone’s ideas on the topic

They are like anyone else and are allowed to change minds opinions behaviours etc

WL’/ML’s don’t hold Any Monopoly on Been truculent , perverse, changeable quixotic difficult, demanding...

[Raybo]

I have toyed with the idea, gone out for drinks a few times but these days for me it's better just to stick with seeing girls at their place of employment. I don't even want discounts or freebies, not that I ever thought i was worthy or entitled to them.

I have discovered the vast majority of WL's/ML's lead very complicated and sometimes drama-packed lives. They compartmentalize many facets of their lives to protect themselves and sometimes even the guys they are seeing. This is a major block in establishing the core components of a relationship, being open communication and trust.

[annintofu]

I have discovered the vast majority of WL's/ML's lead very complicated and sometimes drama-packed lives. They compartmentalize many facets of their lives to protect themselves and sometimes even the guys they are seeing. This is a major block in establishing the core components of a relationship, being open communication and trust.

So true.
Besides, I, for one, am always looking for the next hottie to try, so it's impossible to concentrate on one WL no matter how good she is.