Hornsby Massage Parlour Raided

[aussiegaigin]

Let's face it, this wouldn't be the first brothel to be associated with drug use and perhaps distribution. I'm sure I've seen numerous references to it in media over the years. Even on this forum, I think there have been reports by punters of sharing substances with WLs/MLs during sessions.

I suspect there could be more involved here than just the shop and the mamasan..

[Foxxster]

The girls are popping up in other shops already. My guess would be It won't be opening any time soon. Council may be a problem now as well.

Well the girl I am talking about has been working two shops for a while. She has been removed from Hornsby’s roster and I just checked the other shop. Not only not on the roster but has even been removed from the list of people working there. Now seeing as shops (including this one) tend to keep girls on their list of people working there years after they have left, I find this puzzling to say the least. She was on their list last week. She is still on Hornsby’s list of girls who work there, for now at least.

Hence my question re the possibility of her having been arrested.

Council are the ones who are responsible for closure orders, not the police. So if they have been closed down it would have been the council. I think there is some 6 month closure term or something ... The Act covering it is the Environmental Protection Act and I think there was another, something like restricted premises. Only takes one complaint.

[murphy]

Let's face it, this wouldn't be the first brothel to be associated with drug use and perhaps distribution. I'm sure I've seen numerous references to it in media over the years. Even on this forum, I think there have been reports by punters of sharing substances with WLs/MLs during sessions.

I suspect there could be more involved here than just the shop and the mamasan..

Exactly what I was saying. If we as regular punters dont want heavy regulations coming into force affecting every punter, if you see something, say something to the boss. Its not just being a good citizen. Its more about keeping the regulators away from punting
If you dont see drugs as a problem, then you may be part of the problem

[Foxxster]

I wonder how much a 'commercial quantity really is. Normally when the cops make a big bust, they put an inflated dollar value or street value on the 'haul'. I haven't heard any numbers so far. Doesn't sound like an overly large amount of drugs were found, just enough to be considered that there was more than a personal amount. Cops would be much more interested on where the girls are getting it from, it's not as if there is a meth lab in room 8 @ 142!!

A commercial quantity of ice is 250 grams or more.

The 28 year old man was charged with that.

The 49 year old from Cromer was charged with supply but was caught with just over 30 grams which is an indictable amount.

Small is 1 gram
Traffickable is 3 grams
Indictable is 5 grams
Commercial is 250 grams
Large commercial is 1000 grams


Penalties are

Small Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 50 penalty units and/or imprisonment for 2 years.

traffickable Quantity
The maximum penalty in the Local Court is a fine of 100 penalty units and/or 2 years imprisonment.

Indictable Quantity
The maximum penalty in the Local Court is a fine of 100 penalty units and/or 2 years imprisonment. The maximum penalty in the District Court is 200 penalty units and/or 15 years imprisonment.

Commercial Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 3,500 penalty units and/or imprisonment for 20 years.

Large Commercial Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 5,500 penalty units and/or life imprisonment.

A penalty unit is $110.

So indictable is 200 times $110 = $22,000 and or prison

Commercial is 3,500 times $110 = $385,000 and or up to 20 years prison


Where the amount of Ice does not exceed the commercial quantity but is more than the small quantity (3 grams), this matter is a Table 1 offence which means that either the DPP or an accused can elect to have the matter dealt with in the District Court. If no election is made it will be dealt with in the Local Court.

[liminal]

A commercial quantity of ice is 250 grams or more.

The 28 year old man was charged with that.

The 49 year old from Cromer was charged with supply but was caught with just over 30 grams which is an indictable amount.

Small is 1 gram
Traffickable is 3 grams
Indictable is 5 grams
Commercial is 250 grams
Large commercial is 1000 grams


Penalties are

Small Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 50 penalty units and/or imprisonment for 2 years.

traffickable Quantity
The maximum penalty in the Local Court is a fine of 100 penalty units and/or 2 years imprisonment.

Indictable Quantity
The maximum penalty in the Local Court is a fine of 100 penalty units and/or 2 years imprisonment. The maximum penalty in the District Court is 200 penalty units and/or 15 years imprisonment.

Commercial Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 3,500 penalty units and/or imprisonment for 20 years.

Large Commercial Quantity
The maximum penalty is a fine of 5,500 penalty units and/or life imprisonment.

A penalty unit is $110.

So indictable is 200 times $110 = $22,000 and or prison

Commercial is 3,500 times $110 = $385,000 and or up to 20 years prison


Where the amount of Ice does not exceed the commercial quantity but is more than the small quantity (3 grams), this matter is a Table 1 offence which means that either the DPP or an accused can elect to have the matter dealt with in the District Court. If no election is made it will be dealt with in the Local Court.

Good man

I like facts

Not alternate realities

[murphy]

Can someone provide an update of the allegations.
Manager and WL alleged to be supplying?

[liminal]

Exactly what I was saying. If we as regular punters dont want heavy regulations coming into force affecting every punter, if you see something, say something to the boss. Its not just being a good citizen. Its more about keeping the regulators away from punting
If you dont see drugs as a problem, then you may be part of the problem

Lionel.. is it Sunday .. weirdly I auto genuflected

[Foxxster]

Can someone provide an update of the allegations.
Manager and WL alleged to be supplying?

Hi. I listed all the allegations against all 4 earlier in the post. As far as I am aware, they have only had one court appearance each which was what they call a ‘mention’. A mention is ..
This first time that you go to court is called a 'mention'. The purpose of the mention is for the court to find out whether you want to plead guilty or not guilty.

I don’t have any information as to how they pleaded. One accused did not actually appear. Guess her lawyer went on her behalf.

As to the penalties I listed above, the judge can also give other penalties instead of jail. Suspended sentence, intensive correction order etc.

For the two main offenders here, the owner and the 28 year old charged with a commercial quantity I would think quite a lengthy jail term awaits. They have been charged with other serious offences as well. Plus the period of time the police have been watching them . Basically they are all kinds of screwed.

The other two may get off with a lesser none jail penalty. Well it will be much lesser than the other two but I mean they will not be facing maximum jail time for their offences.

This is from the SMH. I posted earlier in the thread some more details like how much they found on one of them. Whilst the owner has not been charged with supplying as such like the employee, the participating in a criminal group charge i imagine would cover that.
If they can prove she was organising the group and the activities were ongoing then she can get up to 15 years. So no supply charge but another way of getting her. And seeing as they have been watching them for 6 months I guess that covers the ongoing bit. But they have to prove the criminal group exists and she was directing it. If they only prove the group exists then only 5 years.

https://www.sydneycriminallawyers.co...riminal-group/


The brothel's owner, Wahroonga woman Min Van Campenhout, 45, was taken to Hornsby Police Station and charged with participating in a criminal group for the past year, being the occupier of a property knowingly used as drug premises, being found on drug premises and possessing Viagra.

Her employee Jun Jia, 28, was also arrested and charged with four counts of supplying ice, supplying a commercial quantity of ice, participating in a criminal group, possessing a prohibited drug and being found on drug premises.

The two were refused bail and appeared briefly at Parramatta Bail Court on Saturday.

A 49-year-old woman from Cromer was charged with supply prohibited drug and being found on drug premises, while a 34-year-old woman from Hornsby was charged with possessing a prohibited drug and being found on drug premises.

[lonely heart]

These brothel related case are never a clear cut case. Remember Yoko from 81A? Charged and jailed around 2010 if I recall correctly and there was mix stories in what the actual charge is. It comes down to sex slavery or drugs..... it was such a mess.

Then I finally got the true story few tears ago with someone very close to the group back then. She was setup by a girl and a customer, they then lure other girls to testified against her on sex slavery, every withness in that case get protection visa for "obvious reason".

My point, what we see is always the tip of the iceberg in this industry.

[Foxxster]

More info on another , the 34 year old from Hornsby. She was lucky it was under 3 grams.

On Wednesday, only Xiao Aiping appeared, she worked and lived in Hornsby 142. During the raid last week, the police found 2.46 grams of methamphetamine on her and subsequently accused her of possession of contraband. Because English is not fluent, Xiao Aiping needs a Mandarin translation during the proceedings. She has obtained bail under strict conditions, including surrendering her passport, not returning to Hornsby 142 residence, and not contacting other colleagues.

[murphy]

More info on another , the 34 year old from Hornsby. She was lucky it was under 3 grams.

On Wednesday, only Xiao Aiping appeared, she worked and lived in Hornsby 142. During the raid last week, the police found 2.46 grams of methamphetamine on her and subsequently accused her of possession of contraband. Because English is not fluent, Xiao Aiping needs a Mandarin translation during the proceedings. She has obtained bail under strict conditions, including surrendering her passport, not returning to Hornsby 142 residence, and not contacting other colleagues.

Im sorry if she was a drug user. Sex work isnt easy, and its not unusual for sex workers to turn to drugs to survive a tough job

But hard to imagine a worker can regularly use drugs at work and the employer not knowing. If I regularly used ice at work, Id be seen by someone very quickly, and reported.

This is a breach in the duty of care by an employer, by not acting when someone is clearly drug affected, to support them, stand them down from work confidentiality, and maybe getting them medical attention. Doesnt matter if its a brothel or an office, its not good enough

[liminal]

Im sorry if she was a drug user. Sex work isnt easy, and its not unusual for sex workers to turn to drugs to survive a tough job

But hard to imagine a worker can regularly use drugs at work and the employer not knowing. If I regularly used ice at work, Id be seen by someone very quickly, and reported.

This is a breach in the duty of care by an employer, by not acting when someone is clearly drug affected, to support them, stand them down from work confidentiality, and maybe getting them medical attention. Doesnt matter if its a brothel or an office, its not good enough

Do you know the stats on how many fucked up hospitality workers there is , the number of fucked up chefs bakers and candlestick makers

finding a decent meal or a great bar could become very troublesome

[murphy]

Do you know the stats on how many fucked up hospitality workers there is , the number of fucked up chefs bakers and candlestick makers

finding a decent meal or a great bar could become very troublesome

Yes, and there are drug affected employees in all jobs who need support. But not bringing drugs to work

Includes truck drivers and health care workers

[krnboy]

A friend told me that sex was the best on ice, she can't stop having sex when on ice.
It must be similar for men as well.

A shop offering drugs and sex combined would be making so much more money. The men would be extending the session for hours and hours.

Guys on coke love BBBJ for hours on end since it's hard to get hard and cum. But this is tiresome and super boring for the girls.

My cousin told me that the place was selling to customers as he was offered it once but he declined. I wasn't offered but I have noticed it after he had told me and never again I will visit the shop. But I'm sure there are some shops that do this

[clancom]

Hope other shops aren’t like that !

[frous]

Wow, 142 is just around the corner and was just about to go try out for the first time this weekend. Wonder if the next door businesses know what's been happening.

[scottie222]

Wonder which girls were using - couldn't tell when I was smashing!

[aussiegaigin]

Update
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...25-p52uug.html

[Foxxster]

Cromer woman, Wai Kwan Mo, did not appear on Wednesday, however, court documents revealed police charged her with allegedly supplying 30.75g of Methamphetamine

Ok, short update on this woman.

She is out on bail but needs to report to police every day. Apparently is expecting a jail sentence as opposed to suspended sentence or Intensive corrections order etc.

She was working there and is the one who has been removed from their roster as well as having her photo removed from the other shop she was working at. I thought it may have been her who was arrested.

[carmen farquis]

Hopefully now with the pushers going to jail not so many people will be getting addicted.