ML v WL

[Honda84]

Hi all

I'm curious. Why ML? Because cleaner? Because girls are prettier?

From my research, you can get FS from some pretty damn hot ladies for basically the same price?

What are the attractive points of ML for those who prefer MLs

[wilisno]

Hi all

I'm curious. Why ML? Because cleaner? Because girls are prettier?

From my research, you can get FS from some pretty damn hot ladies for basically the same price?

What are the attractive points of ML for those who prefer MLs

Cleaner ? Not really ! Most don’t have access to a shower after the deed !

Prettier ? Not really ! Just that RnT enthusiasts don’t go to FS places enough to make a comparison. Many outstanding MLs ended up going to FS place after they know what they’re worth.

It’s like a gamblers, the thrill is in placing the bet, even if they win once in a while, they’re still happy !

[toysrus]

I do both equally, and see them as different experiences.

The ML experience is more relaxed, I mean you getting a massage after all. The girl is in control, she can pick and choose which customers she is comfortable giving more in the booking.

People get off on the unregulated nature of the ML scene, and how "scandalous" it is getting extras or FS in a ML shop. FS shops is quite scripted because you know you going to get it, men want to be hunters. It's definitely the thrill of the chase with ML, but the reality is you can get FS in almost any ML shop, not necessarily with every girl and that's the challenge some guys get off on. There is also a higher percentage of young amateurs totally new to the industry in ML, which some dudes really like.

In terms of looks, it's pretty much tied. You can find crazy hot in both camps.

I favour ML shops with showers.

Lastly I will say is ML is better value for money because if things don't click between you and the girl, at least you still get a massage.

[wilisno]

I do both equally, and see them as different experiences.

The ML experience is more relaxed, I mean you getting a massage after all. The girl is in control, she can pick and choose which customers she is comfortable giving more in the booking.

People get off on the unregulated nature of the ML scene, and how "scandalous" it is getting extras or FS in a ML shop. FS shops is quite scripted because you know you going to get it, men want to be hunters. It's definitely the thrill of the chase with ML, but the reality is you can get FS in almost any ML shop, not necessarily with every girl and that's the challenge some guys get off on. There is also a higher percentage of young amateurs totally new to the industry in ML, which some dudes really like.

In terms of looks, it's pretty much tied. You can find crazy hot in both camps.

I favour ML shops with showers.

Lastly I will say is ML is better value for money because if things don't click between you and the girl, at least you still get a massage.

Better value for money is highly arguable, it’s only an individual’s preference. If you have to see an ML 2-3 times before you get any extra, it already costs you more than FS to get the same treatment the first time.

Talking about massage, most MLs in RnT are not properly trained masseuses anyway, I can get that kind of massage from most WLs if I have time left in the session, some are much better masseuses than an average RnT girl, and some were from professional massage backgrounds, like Koreans and Japanese, very often they did it without asking.

As for the thrill of the chase, there’s nothing wrong if you so want, just as I said about the mindset of a gambler !

[toysrus]

Better value for money is highly arguable, it’s only an individual’s preference. If you have to see an ML 2-3 times before you get any extra, it already costs you more than FS to get the same treatment the first time.

What I meant by this is if you don't find a connection or you realise she wasn't as good looking as you initially thought, you can just go with a $65 massage and not do any part 2 (abort mission), at least you get a massage. How often in a FS joint, the line up happens so quickly, you drop the $150-$250 and then you get into the room and feel instant regret because you realised you have picked a gravel donkey. If I find an RNT girl I like then the tips would equal going to a FS joint anyway, but for scouting talent RNT is cheaper.

Talking about massage, most MLs in RnT are not properly trained masseuses anyway, I can get that kind of massage from most WLs if I have time left in the session, some are much better masseuses than an average RnT girl, and some were from professional massage backgrounds, like Koreans and Japanese, very often they did it without asking.

I have never had an experience in a FS booking, where there girl builds you up with a sensual massage getting you on the edge (often with teasing) that you just want to blow. Then instead of hand job finish, she finishes you with FS. The massage in FS is not the same experience as RNT. I'm not saying the girls don't have the massage skills or can't do this, I'm just saying they don't build up the anticipation as it's not part of the FS script. Mostly its a mindset thing, probably because its a FS booking and dudes wouldn't have the patience for letting the hour "waste away" going through the process. RNT is a journey and the customer needs patience to participate.

As for the thrill of the chase, there’s nothing wrong if you so want, just as I said about the mindset of a gambler !

Since girls are more selective in RNT about who they want to do more things with. For good looking guys, there is quite a lot of fun in the RNT chase. Maybe for unattractive guys they may never get to experience this.

I can think of many RNT sessions that have been way more fun than $280-$300 Ginza bookings.

[wilisno]

What I meant by this is if you don't find a connection or you realise she wasn't as good looking as you initially thought, you can just go with a $65 massage and not do any part 2 (abort mission), at least you get a massage. How often in a FS joint, the line up happens so quickly, you drop the $150-$250 and then you get into the room and feel instant regret because you realised you have picked a gravel donkey. If I find an RNT girl I like then the tips would equal going to a FS joint anyway, but for scouting talent RNT is cheaper.




I have never had an experience in a FS booking, where there girl builds you up with a sensual massage getting you on the edge (often with teasing) that you just want to blow. Then instead of hand job finish, she finishes you with FS. The massage in FS is not the same experience as RNT. I'm not saying the girls don't have the massage skills or can't do this, I'm just saying they don't build up the anticipation as it's not part of the FS script. Mostly its a mindset thing, probably because its a FS booking and dudes wouldn't have the patience for letting the hour "waste away" going through the process. RNT is a journey and the customer needs patience to participate.



Since girls are more selective in RNT about who they want to do more things with. For good looking guys, there is quite a lot of fun in the RNT chase. Maybe for unattractive guys they may never get to experience this.

I can think of many RNT sessions that have been way more fun than $280-$300 Ginza bookings.

All your reasoning only said one thing : Individual preference !

Especially the last part, if you’re not good looking and not appealing to the girl, you have to keep scouting until one girl pretends to like you and accept extra, good on you if you think that’s enjoyable and good value !

[Eclipsefun]

I do both equally, and see them as different experiences.

The ML experience is more relaxed, I mean you getting a massage after all. The girl is in control, she can pick and choose which customers she is comfortable giving more in the booking.

People get off on the unregulated nature of the ML scene, and how "scandalous" it is getting extras or FS in a ML shop. FS shops is quite scripted because you know you going to get it, men want to be hunters. It's definitely the thrill of the chase with ML, but the reality is you can get FS in almost any ML shop, not necessarily with every girl and that's the challenge some guys get off on. There is also a higher percentage of young amateurs totally new to the industry in ML, which some dudes really like.

In terms of looks, it's pretty much tied. You can find crazy hot in both camps.

I favour ML shops with showers.

Lastly I will say is ML is better value for money because if things don't click between you and the girl, at least you still get a massage.

Yes 100%. Not to mention getting extras or even FS in massage shops that "are" or a least look legit can be a thrill as they tend to just section areas off with curtains and or flimsy dividers. I am certain that half the time everyone knows (hears) what you and your ML are getting up to but simply don't say anything lol.

You can't get that semi-exhibitionist cutting it close feeling in a FS joint, although I do here some of them are fairly loose with their sense of privacy it isn't quite the same when everyone is there for the same thing.

[wilisno]

Yes 100%. Not to mention getting extras or even FS in massage shops that "are" or a least look legit can be a thrill as they tend to just section areas off with curtains and or flimsy dividers. I am certain that half the time everyone knows (hears) what you and your ML are getting up to but simply don't say anything lol.

You can't get that semi-exhibitionist cutting it close feeling in a FS joint, although I do here some of them are fairly loose with their sense of privacy it isn't quite the same when everyone is there for the same thing.

Haha ! In another thread, someone said he walked out after hearing the ML he booked getting pounded by an islander !

Whatever floats your boat I suppose !

[Eclipsefun]

Haha ! In another thread, someone said he walked out after hearing the ML he booked getting pounded by an islander !

Whatever floats your boat I suppose !

LMAO. I was talking more about those ostensibly legit thai massage places where even women go. ML joints that are 100% extras guaranteed usually have better sound proofing but not always lol!

[HunterH777]

Agreed with wilisno there. I myself started off with RnT and ML's, until a friend brought me into the world of WL's. Haven't looked back since!

[335i]

Yeah I agree with you toysrus, it’s the thrill of the chase.

[papi]

It might be a mind thing, but going to a massage place instead of a brothel (even if you are receiving the same service) doesn’t make you feel so guilty and may be easier to talk your way out of.

[ellison]

Im surprised with the suggestion some men havent tried a brothel. Surely most who like ML have tried full service before. Do they get performance problem though

And whats a gravel donkey?

[GoldfishMan]

Hi all

I'm curious. Why ML? Because cleaner? Because girls are prettier?

From my research, you can get FS from some pretty damn hot ladies for basically the same price?

What are the attractive points of ML for those who prefer MLs

I don't really have a preference, but sometimes after too many WL sessions, I start to get sick of condoms. That's when I turn to MLs. Guaranteed no need for condom because it's only a hand job, and you can always turn down the covered FS offer.
Of course, some times you get way more than that, but that's not the reason I go for MLs.

[AHLUNGOR]

There’s no misunderstanding, if there is, it’s from your side.

You were saying better value for money with scouting in RnT, as most RnT enthusiasts call it a chase, to get extras, that why I said it cost more money, for fs, no scouting necessary, just read the reviews or take one for the team, whether it’s a great experience or not, still you will get full service.

Moreover, I repeatedly said individual preference and whatever floats your boat, and that should be the end of the argument unless you want to carry on....

Yeap, brother Wil said it all and for something who’s 95% RnT , I have nothing more to add, may be only once in a Blue moon when all 5 Star have allied , we ended up seeing the same very very special lady ....... haha

And that’s punting !

Cheers

[F0x]

You know what I wonder (dont want to derail the thread though)

Often you might spot a looker on the street and think damn, wonder if she is in the trade on the sly.

Wonder if WLs/MLs ever see a dude and think, wouldnt mind that guy to come book me for an hour or two.

[ellison]

I dont get sick of condoms and dont get sick of sex
I can get sick of sex if the WL is detached but at least we had nice sex and I just change shops
What I get sick of most is detached ML where there is no fun involved and I leave after just the massage. Not worth wasting extra money

[woods23]

I do get lazy sometime After too much sex is great just to lay there relaxing with a beautiful girl massage /touching your body then a nice slow b2b/ catbath followed by a simple hj finish..can't beat that feeling with a ML..

Sometime is a big thrill to get the unexpected extras off them a top feeling too

[ellison]

We are all different. I love sex and I love the physical movement too. I feel alive.
Instead of lying down and doing nothing and someone touches me. I can have the latter when Im weak and in nursing home. Im alive and healthy so sex is the main game. If a beautiful lady is in my company I like to have sex and not having a passive time

[Sabotage]

I definitely prefer ML. Started punting career with ML, then tried a few WL but always return to massage. Feels so much more friendly or GFE.

I find it easier to talk to ML, you have the time to get to know each other and work each other out. When I am with a WL it feels different.


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