Coronavirus

[AHLUNGOR]

The latest Australian figures are showing women in the 20-29 age group have the highest rate of infection now. Most WLs and MLs are in this age group.

Mate , you forgot about the usual add 10 years norm bro ......... haha

[cuteguy]

Mate , you forgot about the usual add 10 years norm bro ......... haha

Well we know many shops record the ages of their WLs and MLs as being less than their stated age but many girls are still in the 20-29 age group.

[Raybo]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."

Whilst this for the most part is true, vast majority of countries are guilty of not taking enough action quickly. Any misguided retaliation against China could mean war of the likes we have never seen. This would be far more devastating than Covid-19.

[GoldfishMan]

A relevant read in The Spectator. Yes, it would be just if the CCP paid the world back. Three viruses they've let loose on us in the 21st century!

"In Australia alone, confronting the Wuhan virus crisis has meant a $3 billion clinical response, and $200 billon, so far, in economic stimulus to keep businesses going. Britain is putting an extra £30 billion into its National Health Service alone. The costs of enforcing shutdowns and lockouts across the world will also be astronomical. And these are just direct costs, not the dire economic catastrophe unfolding as whole industries crash, jobs are lost, share markets plummet and daily life is upended (more toilet paper, anyone?). Almost certainly, coronavirus soon will bring Australia recession after nearly thirty years, achieving what even the 2008 Global Financial Crisis could not.

Being brutally frank: all this global disruption and misery originates with the communist Chinese regime. Xi’s government owed a moral duty not just to his people but the whole world to do all it could to contain the outbreak at the outset. As with bird flu and SARS, however, it put covering its own backside and saving face ahead of the lives of its own citizens and the well-being of the rest of the world. Yet from the Chinese leadership there has been no regret, no taking any responsibility for what originated under its authoritarian control. Instead it brands any criticism, even merely pointing out Wuhan being the virus’s Ground Zero, as racist and xenophobic.

Xi’s ‘up yours’ to the rest of the world is appallingly immoral. From its lax regulation of wet markets that enabled the first human case of Wuhan virus, for its incompetence, and especially its initial cover-up that denied other nations precious time to prepare, Xi’s regime is culpable. Applying principles of common law negligence, it grossly breached its duty of care to those to whom it was owed: all of us. The worldwide pandemic consequences of Chinese government malfeasance were reasonably foreseeable, even if the massive scale of the economic, social and political damage is worse than ever can have been imagined. Xi’s regime must be held accountable morally and politically, if not legally.

If this was a case under Australian law, the perpetrator of such culpable negligence would be liable to pay huge damages to all suffering catastrophic loss from their actions and possibly face criminal charges too. As the world faces Wuhan virus-induced recession or worse, and people die in their thousands, why shouldn’t Mr Morrison, President Trump and other world leaders calculate the damage the Chinese regime’s negligence has wrought, and send Comrade Xi the most gigantic reparations bill in the history of mankind? He deserves it and his discredited, despotic government should be made to pay it."

When your house burns down because your next door neighbour had a fire and you did not install sprinklers in your house, can you blame your neighbour for "not doing a good enough job of keeping the fire away from your house"?
Since early Jan, the Chinese actions in Wuhan have been all over the news. Hell, this very forum thread started way back on 23 Jan. We all saw how massive the reaction was in China. Everybody saw how bad it was.
Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries?
On the other hand, look at what the Govs of other Asian countries started doing, way before any of the complacent Western countries started to worry.
No sir, the real culprit for where we are right now was the complacency of the Western countries.... Time to own up to it!

[Climax598]

When your house burns down because your next door neighbour had a fire and you did not install sprinklers in your house, can you blame your neighbour for "not doing a good enough job of keeping the fire away from your house"?
Since early Jan, the Chinese actions in Wuhan have been all over the news. Hell, this very forum thread started way back on 23 Jan. We all saw how massive the reaction was in China. Everybody saw how bad it was.
Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries?
On the other hand, look at what the Govs of other Asian countries started doing, way before any of the complacent Western countries started to worry.
No sir, the real culprit for where we are right now was the complacency of the Western countries.... Time to own up to it!

Relax and comfortable. She will be right. It wouldn't happen to us. Well well how wrong. Well Bill Gates have warn a few years back.

[jimbonz]

And yet the USA’s pitiful response has seen them become the world leader in infections because of their glorious leader. MAGA!!!
Also look forward to the US paying reparations to Vietnam and Laos (who they were never officially at war with) for the damage done with napalm and still unexploded ordinance.

So your defense is "but USA bad"? Incidentally this is also the play the CCP is using.

Whilst this for the most part is true, vast majority of countries are guilty of not taking enough action quickly. Any misguided retaliation against China could mean war of the likes we have never seen. This would be far more devastating than Covid-19.

Would countries have taken action more quickly if China didn't:
1. Silence the doctors trying to warn people
2. Covered up the situation for weeks
3. Lies about human to human transmission
4. Cried "racist" when countries wanted to stop flights to and from China

[moz]

Did Trump do anything about it? Did Scomo do anything? What about the Govs of other Western countries? !

Both stopped inbound travellers from China - at great political and economic cost.

Unfortunately Italy and Spain didn't, so the US copped it anyway second hand.

While Japan and Singapore made good early strides, there numbers are now looking on an exponential increase. Only South Korea and China seem to have done it effectively.

[SexyBoi]

So can you visit say your girlfriend?Attachment 70469

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The list doesn’t say you can visit family, loved ones or friends real or otherwise lol I think that is the primary reason the list is for, to stop the virus from spreading. Bummer as I was about to go and see a private this week. I saw it also on tv that if you are going out of your house and get flagged by the police and you don’t have a valid reason (see list above) you are going to cop a fine or imprisonment. No thanks. I’ll stay put and just see ms. Palmer. How many punts would that be if you paid the fine. Too much of a risk!

[asiafever]

Both stopped inbound travellers from China - at great political and economic cost.

Unfortunately Italy and Spain didn't, so the US copped it anyway second hand.

While Japan and Singapore made good early strides, there numbers are now looking on an exponential increase. Only South Korea and China seem to have done it effectively.

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

[cuteguy]

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

The latest report is that the US has overtaken China as having the highest number of infected cases. Now news has surfaced that the Chinese government was not reporting correct numbers of positive cases. If the person was positive but asymptomatic, then it was not recorded as an infected case. What the hell! Just typical of a communist regime misleading its own people and the world of what is really going on.

[studsg]

Taiwan. You're ignoring how well Taiwan have handled it.
Hardly surprising given the CHO (let's not call them the WHO given how hard they bend over to appease Chinese interests) have suppressed that info.

And are we really believing China's reporting of figures? As Jimbonz said, China's record in this whole sorry affair is appalling. The blame for how quickly this deteriorated lies squarely on their shoulders. How each country has handled it is due to misinformation from the outset. Taiwan and Singapore as examples had seen SARS etc previously and acted quickly based on their own history with previous disease outbreaks. South Korea too.

Morrison etc actually went against WHO advice and Chinas fist waving by closing travel from China when they did. Can you imagine what it would be like if they hadn't and appeased China?
There are videos and reports emerging daily from within China suggesting it ain't all as rosy as they would have us believe. So who do we believe, a dishonest authoritarian regime that will silence any who disagree with their rhetoric, or social media and all that entails in regards to fake news etc?

I'm also getting lots of so called reports from chinese wechat groups and whatsapp groups. But everytime anyone ask about the source of that "news" everyone says it from a friend who forwarded it from another friend, etc. No one has actually seen it with their own eyes.

I know there are lots of anti-chinese sentiments in the forum. So saying this will draw me flak. But all I'm saying is even if the news is for anywhere else, whether it's India, Indonesia, etc. Unless there are validated sources. We shouldn't just accept it as the truth.

Reminds of a conversation I had with the grand parents of some Malaysian friends. They say the Japanese are the worst since they lived through the occupation. They hate the Japanese, etc. And then they go back to driving their Toyotas, cooking rice with their Panasonic rice cooker and watching TV on their Sony....

[Riff888]

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[Climax598]

I'm also getting lots of so called reports from chinese wechat groups and whatsapp groups. But everytime anyone ask about the source of that "news" everyone says it from a friend who forwarded it from another friend, etc. No one has actually seen it with their own eyes.

I know there are lots of anti-chinese sentiments in the forum. So saying this will draw me flak. But all I'm saying is even if the news is for anywhere else, whether it's India, Indonesia, etc. Unless there are validated sources. We shouldn't just accept it as the truth.

Reminds of a conversation I had with the grand parents of some Malaysian friends. They say the Japanese are the worst since they lived through the occupation. They hate the Japanese, etc. And then they go back to driving their Toyotas, cooking rice with their Panasonic rice cooker and watching TV on their Sony....

Ya! What will happen if China withdrawn their girls we will be in deep fuck big shit.

[asiafever]

https://youtu.be/XpHVrrIWe_o

Worth a watch.

The problem with waiting for validated sources out of China is, it is China. As the above link goes through, those who dissent disappear. Those who blow the whistle are dealt with. I agree we can't believe everything thrown at us, but perhaps we split the middle, and even then it paints a dire picture of what has happened and is happening.

[studsg]

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Lol... had a big laugh with that one.... so true

[asiafever]

Lol... had a big laugh with that one.... so true

Every mum I know on wechat!

[studsg]

Ya! What will happen if China withdrawn their girls we will be in deep fuck big shit.

Lol... for punters on a punter forum... imagine if they start blocking the supply of our MLs and WLs.... OMG!

[Raybo]

Would countries have taken action more quickly if China didn't:
1. Silence the doctors trying to warn people
2. Covered up the situation for weeks
3. Lies about human to human transmission
4. Cried "racist" when countries wanted to stop flights to and from China

China can't take on the world yet. Yes they are a proud nation. I seriously worry about WWIII if the world starts playing the blame game on China.....

[halfway]

China can't take on the world yet. Yes they are a proud nation. I seriously worry about WWIII if the world starts playing the blame game on China.....

Yes now is not the right time to be doing this.....

[Kowabunga]

You do know what exponential growth means?

US is at 100k infected and 1500 deaths.
By next weekend probably 250k and 3500 deaths

Unfortunately ... you are well on track.