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    Sex industry will struggle in COVID 19 future

    From today’s News.com

    Australia’s three step plan to get back to some degree of normalcy has worried workers in the oldest profession with brothels explicitly excluded from reopening plans and concerns one-on-one sex work may be locked out of the country’s post-lockdown economy.

    It’s been called a “slap in the face,” by the peak body for sex workers.

    Not that bringing the industry back doesn’t have its challenges says Eva, a sex worker from Brisbane, conceded.


    “It’s pretty hard to stay 1.5m away if you’re doing contact sex work.”

    Like many sex workers, she has now moved her business online. Others are offering a range of non-contact products from sexting to “virtual girlfriend” experiences. But the income is nothing like physical work.

    Sex workers insist they can function face-to-face with clients in the time of coronavirus. But some services may have to stay off the menu for the time being.

    It seems “ludicrous,” said Eva, that remedial massage is now allowed, but sexual massage is not.

    “Hand relief as part of a massage makes no difference, especially if you’re using gloves or condoms,” she said.

    Eva, like almost everyone in the sex work industry, has seen her takings plummet.

    In early March she noticed some clients were making bookings with the caveat that if either of them had the merest hint of a sniffle they could cancel. Then the bookings dried up completely.

    “A lot of workers didn’t feel right to work and a lot of clients didn’t feel it was the right time to seek out services,” she told news.com.au.

    Jules Kim, the chief executive officer of the Scarlet Alliance, the Australian sex workers’ association, said the industry had been rocked by COVID-19.

    “Coronavirus has had a devastating impact. The varying legality of sex work across Australia, the inability of some workers to access government support and the stigma attached to the industry has made it difficult for some to access financial support.”

    Some sex workers, for instance, hadn’t accessed JobKeeper as they were concerned about revealing their career to Centrelink staff.

    There have also been reports of police making unannounced calls to sex workers’ homes demanding they prove they were not working. That’s rattled some workers who had no idea police had their address on file.

    WORKING MY BUTT OFF ONLINE

    A 31-year-old private sex worker from the Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, who goes by the name of Jenna Love told news.com.au she already had an established “side hustle” of offering online services.

    “I’m an adult content creator, which is a polite way of saying I make porn.

    “I’m a bit of an exhibitionist so it’s something I really enjoy. It was a bit of money on the side; now it’s my main source of income.”

    Jenna said she has expanded her online service to include video calls, sexting and even non-sexual virtual girlfriend experiences.

    “They might get a message from me in the morning about my day, or selfies of me doing the laundry. It’s much more mundane but companionship is what a lot of people need now,” she said.

    “One thing that’s a surprise hit is men sending me a photo or videos of their dicks and I rate them. I’ve been sent countless dick pics in the past but now I get paid to see them.”

    Despite all the creativity, it doesn’t make ends meet. Jenna estimated only 25 per cent of her pre-pandemic income came from online work with the rest face-to-face clients.

    “I’ve been working my butt off over the last two months and the pay-off is there but nowhere near what I was able to earn before.

    “I’m incredibly privileged that I can access JobKeeper and have a husband who is bringing in a wage but without those things there would be a problem.”

    Jenna said the online space was already saturated and sex workers who had previously only met clients one-on-one, such as in brothels, couldn’t easily make a sudden switch.

    Eva said she had done some online work since the pandemic began but was uncomfortable about sharing images online that could end up being distributed further.

    “Luckily for me I started a ‘muggle’ job at the same time as COVID so I haven’t had to rely on sex work,” she said.

    SEX WORKERS STRUGGLING

    The Scarlet Alliance has launched a fundraising drive to provide emergency support for sex workers thrust onto the breadline, some of who have little savings, holiday pay of supportive family to fall back on. Migrant sex workers are often even worse off.

    “We give out funds every week but we’ve only been able to help 25 per cent of applicants and the need is exceeding available funds,” Ms Kim said.

    Ms Kim said it was “incredibly disappointing” that brothels and strip clubs would be forced to remain shut even when Australia reaches the stage three loosening of restrictions.

    “It’s a further slap in the face for sex workers who are already struggling with no end in sight.

    “Sex workers have a great track record in relation to public health in Australia, demonstrated through many years of low rates of blood borne viruses and sexually transmitted infections and high rates of testing.

    “This is all completely ignored by the Federal Government.”

    Ms Kim appealed to “progressive” states and territories to take a “pragmatic approach”.

    Jules Kim from sex work organisation Scarlet Alliance says she is concerned the industry will be left behind as restrictions are eased despite measures that can be taken to limit the virus’ spread.
    Jules Kim from sex work organisation Scarlet Alliance says she is concerned the industry will be left behind as restrictions are eased despite measures that can be taken to limit the virus’ spread.Source:Supplied
    REMEDIAL MASSAGE YES, SENSUAL MASSAGE NO

    The industry points to other contact activities being progressively allowed including some cosmetic procedures, dentistry and remedial massage.

    “I’m not saying tomorrow we all need to go out on the street and solicit everyone but if restrictions for other industries are lifted then they should be for us,” Jenna said.

    “Sensual massage is almost identical to remedial massage. The only difference is the stigma attached to sex work.”

    She said if anything sex workers were more aware of health and hygiene than people in most other industries.

    “Cleanliness and health are at the top of our minds. If we don’t maintain our hygiene that affects our ability to work, our reputation and livelihoods.

    “If you could only see our laundry bills. We go through plenty of sheet and towels.”

    The reality was people were going to – were still even during lockdown – getting up close and personal with strangers so why not let the regulated sex industry start cranking up again, she said?

    “Plenty of people are on Tinder each night.”

    WHAT’S OFF THE LIST OF SERVICES

    Eva said there was a misapprehension about sex workers. Even at her busiest she might only see three or four clients a week, coming into contact with far fewer people than those working in an office, for instance.

    Hairdressers have been able to work and despite getting close to clients, there has been no transmission in salons.

    WHAT YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO DO

    There has been a study that has suggested semen could harbour coronavirus. However, it’s only been found in people with severe symptoms and it’s not clear it’s transmissible – there’s no evidence of anyone catching the virus other than through the air.

    Ensuring all services were clean and anyone who they worked had no symptoms were all ways of minimising risk.

    Despite that, the intimacy of sex work meant there would still have to be changes, the industry concedes.

    “Kissing is going to be a high-risk activity so that won’t happen,” Eva said.

    Oral sex might also be off the menu for a time, too. “But otherwise, there’s nothing you do during sex that aerosolises a virus,” Eva said.

    For Jenna face masks were a no-no during sex.

    “I got into sex work because I love connecting with people on a face-to-face level. I’d rather abstain than use a face mask.”

    But she urged governments, when they were making decisions on restrictions, to look beyond the industry simply being about sex. Clients included people with disabilities, low social skills and the chronically lonely.

    “People go to a dentist because they need clean teeth; but people also need to be able to connect with others on an intimate level.

    “Sex isn’t a need, but human connection is.”
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    We’re fucked hahaha

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    Dick rating job sounds fun

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    Don't forget with gyms closed most the working girls we see once things open up again will be a bit more plump 🤣.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAM View Post
    Don't forget with gyms closed most the working girls we see once things open up again will be a bit more plump 🤣.
    And so are us 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by storry_teller View Post
    Dick rating job sounds fun
    I got some news for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BAM View Post
    Don't forget with gyms closed most the working girls we see once things open up again will be a bit more plump 🤣.
    That's true unless they use gyms in their apartment complexes. I bet many punters have put on a few extra kilos and drinking more at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuteguy View Post
    That's true unless they use gyms in their apartment complexes. I bet many punters have put on a few extra kilos and drinking more at home.
    Never minded if any of my favourite MLs shall put on a kilo or two, they usually got to right spots I like..................haha

    On the contrary, whenever a busty ML is losing weight, her cup size dropped !!! you lose body fat, you lose support tissues in the boobs and if you are usually quite big, you lose support you start to sag........................

    Natural big firm tits won't last forever, enjoy them while we can !

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    Nar, honestly it will be fine

    Might take a little time but sex industry is the backbone of any economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussyhands View Post
    Nar, honestly it will be fine

    Might take a little time but sex industry is the backbone of any economy
    omg, you really are deluded by pussy.

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    many people are crying out loud because of this coronavirus because they have little to no savings. when you spend most of the money that you earn then this is the problem you're going to run into when things go bad.
    If you had been saving money bit by bit for many years then your savings will help you through this hard time.

    WLs, MLs can earn lots of tax free cash than the average people, and they often live the flashy lifestyle, spending most of that money because it's easy money. They only have themselves to blame.

    I'm not saying this applies to all WLs, MLs. I'm sure many girls know to save their money for better future, planned for the day they quit their WL/ML job. I'm referring to ones who earned lots of easy money from sucking cock but don't know how to save.

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    And that would relate to many people not just ml/wl

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    Quote Originally Posted by des888 View Post
    And that would relate to many people not just ml/wl
    People in many industries such as hospitality, airlines, tourism, retail, events (eg weddings), sports, gyms and social classes have been affected by the pandemic. The pandemic has had a devastating impact on the economy. Many people became suicidal because they lost their jobs and weren't able to feed their families or even themselves. WLs and MLs are not the only ones affected. They can still work privately and receive cash that is tax free.

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    maybe the biz model can be changed to adapt to the new situation.

    one possibility (that I'd been thinking about long before the outbreak): rental gf.
    a girl will make herself available as a guy's GF for a week or two, for a reasonable fee. in essence it's still sex work, but they pretend to be in a short term relationship.
    of course it's not for everyone, and the biggest problem is how much the guy is willing to pay and how little the girl is willing to accept.

    At liaisons, a girl can easily take home $1500 per day, $6K per week. while I'm happy to fork over $350 for an hour with a stunning blonde, is it worthwhile to pay $12K to have her as my girlfriend for two weeks? (with additional costs of meals, dates, etc)
    I'm not sure. how about negotiating a discounted price of, say 8K? hmm, maybe, maybe not.

    I guess it all depends on the girl and the punter's wallet, and an agreement on how the 1~2 weeks are spent together.

    to be sure, I'm NOT talking about escort or privates, but a true GF-like experience.

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    Practicalities aside ... it is an interesting concept which could have so many different levels of participation. Base level ... booty call between certain hours. Next level ... booty call at anytime. Next level ... booty call at a designated apartment you have rented for the sole purpose. Next level ... (and so it goes on) ... I’m thinking of this as a business model.
    I know a bunch of people are going to comment: “she’ll have other clients” “it won’t be exclusive” “it’s too expensive” ... ok, ok ... it’s still fun to think outside the box.

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    This model is called out calls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by annintofu View Post
    maybe the biz model can be changed to adapt to the new situation.

    one possibility (that I'd been thinking about long before the outbreak): rental gf.
    a girl will make herself available as a guy's GF for a week or two, for a reasonable fee. in essence it's still sex work, but they pretend to be in a short term relationship.
    of course it's not for everyone, and the biggest problem is how much the guy is willing to pay and how little the girl is willing to accept.

    At liaisons, a girl can easily take home $1500 per day, $6K per week. while I'm happy to fork over $350 for an hour with a stunning blonde, is it worthwhile to pay $12K to have her as my girlfriend for two weeks? (with additional costs of meals, dates, etc)
    I'm not sure. how about negotiating a discounted price of, say 8K? hmm, maybe, maybe not.

    I guess it all depends on the girl and the punter's wallet, and an agreement on how the 1~2 weeks are spent together.

    to be sure, I'm NOT talking about escort or privates, but a true GF-like experience.
    This is called "seeking arrangements". Google it.

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    Some issues when things re-open are:
    Very limited supply of new girls arriving from overseas.
    Demand down due to some customers being put off punting for fear of covid.
    Some shops not reopening due to loss of income over the lockdown and loss of girls
    Some services we take for granted now (especially in Asian shops) not being as readily available or easy to get eg DFK, BBBJ, CIM etc.
    A loss of some of the intimate vibe due to fear of covid - perhaps a move to more of a professional PSE service rather than a GFE.
    Maybe an increase in more specialist/fetish/kink type services.
    Maybe an increase in privates and independants.
    Maybe an increase in business for Western/Caucasian brothels and escorts due to having a bigger pool of new talent.
    Maybe Asian brothels and R&Ts recruiting more Western.Caucasian girls.
    So I reckon it will be a smaller industry: less shops, less girls and maybe less customers.
    And I reckon less variety of girls and lower service level.
    So it won't be as good as it was before covid, but it will still be around.
    The days of hundreds of R&T shops in every shopping strip scattered all over Sydney with new girls arriving all the time won't come back for a long time.
    The days of an endless supply of 21yo Japanese backpacker newbies who give an amazing GFE and provide BBBJ, DATY, DFK and CIM won't be back for a long time.
    The days of an endless supply of Chinese, Korean and Thai glamours who give top professional service BBBJ, DATY, DFK and CIM won't be back for a long time.
    In time things will get back to pre covid levels and maybe even better, but it will take a long time.
    This is all just a bunch of speculative thought bubbles. It is not a scientific study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooter View Post
    Some issues when things re-open are:
    Very limited supply of new girls arriving from overseas.
    Demand down due to some customers being put off punting for fear of covid.
    Some shops not reopening due to loss of income over the lockdown and loss of girls
    Some services we take for granted now (especially in Asian shops) not being as readily available or easy to get eg DFK, BBBJ, CIM etc.
    A loss of some of the intimate vibe due to fear of covid - perhaps a move to more of a professional PSE service rather than a GFE.
    Maybe an increase in more specialist/fetish/kink type services.
    Maybe an increase in privates and independants.
    Maybe an increase in business for Western/Caucasian brothels and escorts.
    Maybe Asian brothels and R&Ts recruiting more Western.Caucasian girls.
    So I reckon it will be a smaller industry: less shops, less girls and maybe less customers.
    And I reckon less variety of girls and lower service level.
    So it won't be as good as it was before covid, but it will still be around.
    The days of hundreds of R&T shops in every shopping strip scattered all over Sydney with new girls arriving all the time won't come back for a long time.
    The days of an endless supply of 21yo Japanese backpacker newbies who give an amazing GFE and provide BBBJ, DATY, DFK and CIM won't be back for a long time.
    The days of an endless supply of Chinese, Korean and Thai glamours who give top professional service BBBJ, DATY, DFK and CIM won't be back for a long time.
    In time things will get back to pre covid levels and maybe even better, but it will take a long time.
    This is all just a bunch of speculative thought bubbles. It is not a scientific study.
    I think it largely depends on when borders open with Asia and the rest of the world, something that I have heard will most likely not happen this year. So even when Australia comes out of the internal lockdown there will not be an instant influx of talent. Whoever is in Australia at the moment is who we will be doing business with for the rest of the year at least. So if one of your favourites is a resident, or still here on a visa, then you may be in luck. I don't think it will take too long for the scene to return to a pre-covid level once borders open internationally. It may not be the same people running the show as before but there is money to be made all the same.

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    When the industry does restart, the shortage of shops and girls is likely to result in an increase in prices.

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