Covid - border closure NSW/Vic

[Poonhound69]

Really difficult understanding the way which the New South Wales Premier is approaching this outbreak. A lot of what she has been saying is insensible, confused and to be blunt,
foolish.

Let’s start with border closures. After criticising Queensland for so long, she then had to eat humble pie but she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing that and as we all know, she waited far too long. We are now paying for her stupidity.

Now we are facing the same situation with a lockdown. She has been very clear that we will not lock down for a whole range of reasons but if the management of this proves to be ineffectual, what do we all think will happen? Lockdown but again, too late.

It is quite interesting when you hear politicians making statements like we can’t afford to focus on eradication from an economic perspective. Actually, The question should be whether we can afford not to focus on eradication. Take the example of the crossroads hotel. The way this is being managed, what will happen is that crossroads will reopen and then there will be an incident and then have to close again undergo a deep cleansing, and then open again after that and then guess what happens? It will be a vicious circle that just repeats. Each closure and deep cleansing is enormously expensive for the business and ultimately, the business will just give up.

A complete lack of vision from a political leaders at the moment, focused only on the very short term. Ultimately, what will drive any kind of recovery is confidence and there is no way people can be confident in an environment where by they know that they can catch the virus at any time.

So what do you suggest should be done? Ultimately you need a vaccine. Without a vaccine, you have to learn to live with the virus. A lock down again and again is not sustainable. Gladys is correct that you can't really aim for eradication.

[Meng]

There should be tougher punishment for people breaking quarantine rules. E.g prison instead of just fines. The truckie will probably be fined 4K, which when you think of the economic impact of a whole state is nothing.

[rooter]

So what do you suggest should be done? Ultimately you need a vaccine. Without a vaccine, you have to learn to live with the virus. A lock down again and again is not sustainable. Gladys is correct that you can't really aim for eradication.

Eradication v Suppression is largely semantics.
The suppression we had with the first lockdown pretty much led to eradication ie no more locally spread cases .
It had got to zero in all the smaller states and maybe 1 new case a day in Victoria and NSW.
Then the only new cases were people returning from overseas, but this is no problem if you quarantine them.
This strategy worked in all the states.
The problem was in Victoria where the morons in charge of hotel quarantine security totally fucked up and that let the genie out of the bottle again. Then they went home to their families and communities and spread it everywhere. To make things worse many of those private security guards and indeed those people prematurely released from quarantine are from migrant cultures that have big families and close knit communities, or live in high density public housing so the virus spread even more quickly.
And it is now spreading from there to other states.
If the police and military were in charge this almost certainly would not have happened.
It just shows how out of touch politicians and senior public servants are.
Any person in the street who has seen private security guards in "action" will tell you that yeah sure they are OK to stand outside a Bunnings store, but in charge of the biggest pandemic in a century? WTF!

[AHLUNGOR]

428 new cases in Victoria overnight, this is very serious and the Andrew’s Government must call for Federal assistance to control this thing !

[Sentinels]

NSW is starting to put more restriction in for pubs, restaurants and funerals. Wonder if they will put restriction on brothels soon.

[rooter]

NSW is starting to put more restriction in for pubs, restaurants and funerals. Wonder if they will put restriction on brothels soon.

Probably not.
Epidemic control is all about numbers and stopping large gatherings of people.
One on one services are actually low risk and not a priority.
The closeness of the contact is a factor but the thing is that covid is not like an STI, it does not require intimate contact.
Socialising in a crowded pub is enough to spread the disease. Whether you fuck someone or just hug, or kiss, or talk at close distance, or share a glass you are gonna spread the virus to them.
The most important factor is the size of the gathering. The more people the higher the risk.
There has not been one single documented case of a transmission of the virus in a sex venue in Australia.
The pub, family get togethers, friends, cruises, aeroplanes, parties, trains, buses, pubs, churches, clubs, sport, weddings, funerals, dinners, picnics, etc are all far more risky.

[Poonhound69]

Eradication v Suppression is largely semantics.
The suppression we had with the first lockdown pretty much led to eradication ie no more locally spread cases .
It had got to zero in all the smaller states and maybe 1 new case a day in Victoria and NSW.
Then the only new cases were people returning from overseas, but this is no problem if you quarantine them.
This strategy worked in all the states.
The problem was in Victoria where the morons in charge of hotel quarantine security totally fucked up and that let the genie out of the bottle again. Then they went home to their families and communities and spread it everywhere. To make things worse many of those private security guards and indeed those people prematurely released from quarantine are from migrant cultures that have big families and close knit communities, or high density public housing so the virus spread even more quickly.
And it is now spreading from there to other states.
If the police and military were in charge this almost certainly would not have happened.
It just shows how out of touch politicians and senior public servants are.
Any person in the street who has seen private security guards in "action" will tell you that yeah sure they are OK to stand outside a Bunnings store, but in charge of the biggest pandemic in a century? WTF!

I can't argue with any of that mate. This is such an enormous blunder what the Andrew's govt in Victoria did and it has fucked up not just Vic but potentially the entire country. I don't know if it's sustainable that you lock down the entire country again for a couple of months to get back to where we were before the Victoria fuck up. It's hard to understand that Dan still hasn't resigned.

[brotherjim]

Probably not.
Epidemic control is all about numbers and stopping large gatherings of people.
One on one services are actually low risk and not a priority.
The closeness of the contact is a factor but the thing is that covid is not like an STI, it does not require intimate contact.
Socialising in a crowded pub is enough to spread the disease. Whether you fuck someone or just hug, or kiss, or talk at close distance, or share a glass you are gonna spread the virus to them.
The most important factor is the size of the gathering.

I’m willing to bet a hooker with Covid will pass the virus to far more people than say a waiter that does a couple of shifts in a room with 100 people each time.

In the Hooker case assuming DFK there would be a near 100% transfer rate.

The waiter well they would have to touch cough or sneeze, touch something, then someone else would need to come in contact with that and then transfer to their eyes, mouth or nose so far less chance than directly transferring through DFK.

[brotherjim]

Really difficult understanding the way which the New South Wales Premier is approaching this outbreak. A lot of what she has been saying is insensible, confused and to be blunt,
foolish.

Let’s start with border closures. After criticising Queensland for so long, she then had to eat humble pie but she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing that and as we all know, she waited far too long. We are now paying for her stupidity.

Criticism like this is why we have such shit pollies for the most part. End of the day all our pollies are on a hiding to nothing with this virus. It doesn’t matter what they do people will be pissed and complain. For the most part all our pollies and that includes Andrews are doing a great job in handling this virus.

Oh and in relation to border closures Gladys did complain about QLD border closures but put some context around that, that was at a time when each and every state in this country was facing exactly the same situation and levels of Covid infection so she was right it wasn’t needed.

But what has happened in Victoria has very much changed the equation. So call it a backflip, incompetence or what ever you like but as far as I am concerned the initial decision and the the recent closure are both correct for the circumstances at the time.

[Sir Puntalot]

It's hard to understand that Dan still hasn't resigned.

Unions won't let him - they need a puppet to control.

[quackm2002]

However you want to cut the issue on border closures, simply look at the results. They speak for themselves. NSW is in precarious position and states that closed borders look great For some reason.

If we follow your rationale, South Australia should have opened its borders to Victoria weeks ago. They would in great shape now, wouldn’t they? Lucky for them you weren’t making decisions for them.

There is little doubt that if NSW had moved sooner, they wouldn’t be in the mess they are in. You can continue to be an apologist for the NSW government If you like but that simply ignores the facts.

Simple question - are you more likely to catch Coronavirus in Adelaide or Sydney? And why would that be the case?

[brotherjim]

However you want to cut the issue on border closures, simply look at the results. They speak for themselves. NSW is in precarious position and states that closed borders look great For some reason.

If we follow your rationale, South Australia should have opened its borders to Victoria weeks ago. They would in great shape now, wouldn’t they? Lucky for them you weren’t making decisions for them.

There is little doubt that if NSW had moved sooner, they wouldn’t be in the mess they are in. You can continue to be an apologist for the NSW government If you like but that simply ignores the facts.

Simple question - are you more likely to catch Coronavirus in Adelaide or Sydney? And why would that be the case?

You are still missing the point. The issue with border closures which is where you were quoting the NSW premier was months ago when the borders were first closed. At that time there was absolutely no need for them to be closed Every state was in the exact same situation. And the NSW experience proves that very well, there was no restriction on people entering NSW yet NSW had the situation well under control even without border closures.

Then along comes the Victorian issue which changed the equation where one state was different to the rest. So a border closure was the right thing.

And hey give the personal attacks a rest. I ain’t no apologies for any government especially the NSW one, but in the issue of border closures they have done the right thing at the right time.

[quackm2002]

You are the one missing the point. The states were not in the same position and some closed borders because they didn’t trust the measures and management being exercised in other states. If you were in Queensland’s position and you saw the debacle of the Ruby Princess, you would close your borders too if you had any common sense. How could you even try to say they were in the same position - that is absurd.

If we follow your line of thinking, you will always be reactive, not proactive. The fact that states like Queensland, SA, WA and Tasmania closed borders shows they were far more forward looking.

NSW is in the position they are in because quite frankly, Gladys couldn’t rush fast enough to keep the PM happy. Well, what position are they in now?

Look at it from a binary perspective - plain and simple, would NSW be better off today if they had closed their borders? Yes or no?

Also, look at the decision by the PM to close parliament for the next two weeks. Politicians can be very responsive and proactive where their self- interest is involved.

[cuteguy]

I’m willing to bet a hooker with Covid will pass the virus to far more people than say a waiter that does a couple of shifts in a room with 100 people each time.

In the Hooker case assuming DFK there would be a near 100% transfer rate.

The waiter well they would have to touch cough or sneeze, touch something, then someone else would need to come in contact with that and then transfer to their eyes, mouth or nose so far less chance than directly transferring through DFK.

The movement of microdroplets carries many viruses. We produce them when we talk loudly or breathe heavily. People around us inhale them and that’s how the virus spreads. Now scientists are discovering how the virus spreads.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/...read-covid-19/

[God Member]

All of our fury at the initial Chinese cover up in Wuhan is moving on to the total fuck up down in Victoria. But I haven't forgotten were it all started. However you can only be pissed off at one thing at a time. I read in one of the weekend papers that officials from NSW Health e-mailed their concerns to the Victorian authorities about using security guards to enforce quarantine way back on March 28th! The e-mails were ignored. They didn't even reply. The hotels were the equivalent of a level three bio-containment unit, and meanwhile we've got Abdullah picking his nose guarding the facility. People have died and are going to die as a consequence. They have got blood on their hands. What sort of a dope is that dopey jug-eared dope supposedly running Victoria?

[rooter]

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[Budgyboy]

Agree rooter, the vietamese have contributed a hell of a lot, and the hong kong people would be a definate plus big time. There are some immigation plans that have not been thought out properly, caving in to tbe bleeding hearts and yes we can accommodate some of the unfortunates but honestly our policy cant be focused on only that demographic. I know ill cop some flack but we really need bright smart people who accept an existing culture that is ingrained although not perfect that will offer an outstanding lifestyle and many freedoms if you are prepared to contribute by offering hard work and compliance to our constitutional by laws.
I want to see more of the kind that are happy to accept what we have to offer and i fuckin dont care what colour you are just have a fucking go mate this is the best country in the world and Aussies are the most tolerant and hardest working people in the world, fact

[quackm2002]

Let’s not get too sanctimonious. NSW has been just damn lucky. There have been article of lax controls in hotel quarantine in Sydney for months.

It’s a great photo in this article!

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....4057a4592a692f

All of our fury at the initial Chinese cover up in Wuhan is moving on to the total fuck up down in Victoria. But I haven't forgotten were it all started. However you can only be pissed off at one thing at a time. I read in one of the weekend papers that officials from NSW Health e-mailed their concerns to the Victorian authorities about using security guards to enforce quarantine way back on March 28th! The e-mails were ignored. They didn't even reply. The hotels were the equivalent of a level three bio-containment unit, and meanwhile we've got Abdullah picking his nose guarding the facility. People have died and are going to die as a consequence. They have got blood on their hands. What sort of a dope is that dopey jug-eared dope supposedly running Victoria?

[God Member]

Oh, ok I won't get too sanctimonious. I'll just revert back to my normal default level of sanctimony.
Actually the only images I had seen were of police guarding the hotels in NSW. What turkey here authorised this:


Check out the tiny stool they gave him for his fat arse. No wonder he's on the carpet.
It's laughable but serious. I read that this dude got the sack, but what about the people who authorised these clowns? Sack them too.

[quackm2002]

Sorry, wasn’t intending to have a go at you if it came across that way. I just meant we shouldn’t assume NSW has been perfect with the quarantine measures around hotels.

There have actually been a number of articles in the local papers over the past three months of people breaking quarantine, guards sleeping, not enough guards, really lax control over exceptions etc.

I love the picture you posted the most though! This guy isn’t even trying to pretend to be awake. He’s just crashed out in the middle of the corridor.