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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty4 View Post
    This other guy will marry is such a load of Bull crap... I know of an ML who has 3 boyfriends....all equally involved, and she cannot seem to make up her mind�� on who is right for her. This girl believes me to be her friend, to an extent that I don't see her at shop anymore and we only meet outside. I am no way in running to be number 4 or 1. I asked her and myself if I really love a girl as a boyfriend for more than 6 months how could I or in this case all of her BFs let her continue being at a shop where everyday atleast 5-6 other men are feeling her up....she just shrugged her shoulders. It's actually very easy, to get the girl you really want to share your life with , to be in a different profession than be a WL or ML. Adjustment on money will have to be made but it's such a small price to pay for a person who fills you with joy. I have tried offering many work alternatives, but she always turns me down saying I am not suppose to act like her BF....
    A ML having three boyfriends at one time sounds like this girl was Thai. I had one Thai girl (not a ML or WL) inform me that it's not uncommon for Thai girls to have up to three boyfriends at one time in order of preference, 1,2 and 3. Yes guys, she has the guys numbered in order. None of the guys know this and when number 1 drops off she has number 2 replacing number 1 and so on. No loss of time in searching for another guy. Interesting strategy but would it work with us guys in juggling three girls at one time without being caught out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuteguy View Post
    A ML having three boyfriends at one time sounds like this girl was Thai. I had one Thai girl (not a ML or WL) inform me that it's not uncommon for Thai girls to have up to three boyfriends at one time in order of preference, 1,2 and 3. Yes guys, she has the guys numbered in order. None of the guys know this and when number 1 drops off she has number 2 replacing number 1 and so on. No loss of time in searching for another guy. Interesting strategy but would it work with us guys in juggling three girls at one time without being caught out?
    That sounds like such hard work.... A recipe for disaster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riff888 View Post
    Hahaha yes that's the right thing to do. I would have been worried about her throwing up in your car

    Office relationships is another think to avoid. Imagine that loss of freedom feeling all day at work and at home

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    I would have been worried too if she vomited on my leather seats and there was a bad smell in my car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooter View Post
    You've got a mind, a heart, a stomach, and a cock and they are all constantly fighting for control.
    But the mind always has to be the boss.
    You can let your stomach, heart, or cock take over for while and experience, pleasure, intimacy, passion, indulgence, love etc. You don't want to be a miserable old sod.
    But the mind has to be able to rein them back in and take over and take control.
    You have to master this basic life skill.
    It's not always easy but it has to be done.
    If you let your heart, stomach, or cock take control of your life you are doomed.
    Well saying mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by holi_day View Post
    That makes sense. Just I would say this is social commitment or responsibility rather than coming from a relationship, or sense of relationship. Even it's a male friend, or female stranger, in such situation, I would still feel obligated to do something for them. Just with a female friend, you also feel a bit more protective to her as a girl might be seemingly weaker.

    As we discuss freedom, I don't thinf there is such thing as absolute freedom. It's a spectrum you have to find the sweet spot that you feel most comfortable. And everyone is different E.g. Some people don't like kids as they lost freedom, but some much refer have kids as the joy of having kid far outweighs the lost of freedom.

    Same applies to relationship, there is so much in a relationship one would enjoy or need. Many would feel this is outweighs the lost of freedom, if that makes sense.
    Yeah man for sure. The same thing happened when I went out with a WL for dinner. Afterwards we went to the pub and played some pokies and she got a bit drunk. As with my work mates christmas party, I did the exact same thing. She said she would be fine and catch the train home and I said to her no way in hell. Regardless of WL or non WL, I won't let a female catch a train drunk by themselves at night or close to midnight. Doesn't matter if they live 20 mins away or a hour. I'll drive them home. This is where the punter in me goes away and the responsible person / friend comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niceguy11 View Post
    Yeah man for sure. The same thing happened when I went out with a WL for dinner. Afterwards we went to the pub and played some pokies and she got a bit drunk. As with my work mates christmas party, I did the exact same thing. She said she would be fine and catch the train home and I said to her no way in hell. Regardless of WL or non WL, I won't let a female catch a train drunk by themselves at night or close to midnight. Doesn't matter if they live 20 mins away or a hour. I'll drive them home. This is where the punter in me goes away and the responsible person / friend comes in.
    Niceguy, you are really living up to your name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelly69 View Post
    Niceguy, you are really living up to your name!
    Thanks Nelly ! I have much respect and admiration for the girls. Outside the shop, they are just normal girls. But yes, I always treat them with courtesy and respect.

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    I have to say it's true WL's have complicated lives. The more you know them, the more their lives are laid out in such a complicated state. If you decide to be friends or get into a relationship, forgot it. I must repeat. Do not even think about doing it because from the regulars that I have known, it's not worth it. You will be burnt because there is always another regular that they have on their books. I'm not saying that I have been burnt, but from what regulars have told me, they have multiple regulars who they either date or pretend they are in a relationship for the financial gain.

    I'm on the border at the moment, not in a relationship but good friends with a few and can say it's just not worth it. Maybe I have come back to reality ? Yeah I have. I had dinner last night with a non WL Chinese friend and fuck it was weird. Here in front of me was a normal Chinese girl. It just felt good for once to hang out with a non WL.

    But yeah, forgot it guys. Just forget it.

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    yeah, I say the WL gets a little crazy... they emotionally detach their mind from their body and bury their shit deep down. I tried seeing a WL a while back, I remember having sex with her at home and I touched her the wrong way and she snapped at me and said I am just like the rest of them.... WTF? issues or what? She would be normal one day and completely detached and distanced the next, could never figure out what mood she is in. Going out for dinners and drinking are fun but when it gets intimate or serious, she holds you on an arms length. I haven't seen her since Nov and my life is better off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelly69 View Post
    yeah, I say the WL gets a little crazy... they emotionally detach their mind from their body and bury their shit deep down. I tried seeing a WL a while back, I remember having sex with her at home and I touched her the wrong way and she snapped at me and said I am just like the rest of them.... WTF? issues or what? She would be normal one day and completely detached and distanced the next, could never figure out what mood she is in. Going out for dinners and drinking are fun but when it gets intimate or serious, she holds you on an arms length. I haven't seen her since Nov and my life is better off.
    Bro 1000% correct. They are so emotionally messed up from either drinking or other stuff that they are just so unstable. Sure not all of them are like that but from my experience, they are just up down up down.

    I really do regret getting to know some WL's as it's just messed with my head badly. Sure they are honest with their feelings but deep down, they have some messed up shit going on that if it's not resolved, they are on a crash course to destruction.

    I'm a niceguy and will support them if they are going through stuff. But at the end of the day, you can only help so much. It is ultimately their decision to change their lives and get out of the industry. I was thinking about punting next week but the thought of it is just making me not want to based on further exposure to the life's of WL's.

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    Personally I wouldn't care if a future partner used to be a WL or a ML. As long as they are a good person, caring and not in the profession when we are together. Anything prior = no shifts given

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azninvasion85 View Post
    Personally I wouldn't care if a future partner used to be a WL or a ML. As long as they are a good person, caring and not in the profession when we are together. Anything prior = no shifts given
    That's a good way of thinking but I would say the number of ML / WL who leave the profession and can live a normal life is very small.

    Most are used to earning huge "salaries". I have not met one who has left the professesion so I can't say.

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    Which one of you here is Barbara Cartland ....1 April? Oh yeh hny

    May all your libidinous punts be full of horny ml’s who are keen to fall madly truly in love with you .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PervySage View Post
    That's a good way of thinking but I would say the number of ML / WL who leave the profession and can live a normal life is very small.

    Most are used to earning huge "salaries". I have not met one who has left the professesion so I can't say.
    Two of my old regulars have left bro. One of them is doing painting and the other has gone back to University.

    But you are right bro. Most of them find it hard to leave due to the high earnings. They do get to a point where the money is not worth it and willing to work for less money in a normal job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    This is ironic. Here you are, single "free" men.... Free from the restrictions on your life that a relationship would impose... Yet you keep trying to lose that freedom. Not only that, going for the seemingly "immediately available" women (WL/ML, not the best choice for a partner seriously) reveals how desperate you are to be in a relationship.

    Make no mistake about it, no matter how hot a girl is, once you get into a relationship with her, you can kiss your freedom goodbye.
    AMEN!!! words of wisdom.

    Why trade freedom when you can just trade a few bucks.
    once you get em. You still gotta pay

    dinners, bags, gifts, their rent. more money, less pussy. no freedom, and no variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PervySage View Post
    That's a good way of thinking but I would say the number of ML / WL who leave the profession and can live a normal life is very small.

    Most are used to earning huge "salaries". I have not met one who has left the professesion so I can't say.
    I actually do know someone who used to be a WL. She married a born-rich Chinese guy she met outside the work, who had no clue she was a WG. She eventually came clean and told him, but he's never touched her since finding out.
    Worse, this girl did have a high sex drive. So she ended up being in multiple affairs and hardly showing any respect for her "husband". All her affairs were with other rich guys, so she eventually got badly addicted to high-stakes gambling. Lost some good friends along the way due to her reckless behaviour too.
    This girl also had another GF that was also a veteran of the industry. Her life was just as fucked up. Married a gangster who ended up cheating on her and leaving her with a daughter, she tried to cheat some friends into business ventures, then last I heard she lost all her money being cheated herself. It's all a big cycle of cheating, that one, what a joke.
    All the above really highlights something about a WG. It really takes something special to be able to do this work successfully, and then the work itself ... The type of people they have to be intimate with... breeds traits in them which are even worse.

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    It is my turn to fall on my sword. Punting is a lonely past time and I am not in a position to discuss this with anyone. Hence when something goes wrong the only avenue to emotionally dump is a forum such as this.
    I fell for a WL, yet there were so many red flags during my time with her that I ignored and still continued thinking that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
    As some background, I have seen over 50 individual sex workers over the previous year. 6 of these girls have become regular ladies who I have seen over half a dozen times each. The thing I liked about these regular girls were that they are half my age and they are the ideal “no strings attached” sexual encounters. Sure, there is a lot of flirtations activity, however, there was never any discussion about developing a relationship. For one hour we would love each other and then walk away. These girls knew I fucked other girls and I knew they fucked other blokes.
    I met a new girl 4 months ago. From our first time together I was completely smitten. It is very difficult to reflect on what made this so different. Even from this first meeting the first red flag was obvious. This girl lied about her age. My view was that she was 15 years older than what she advertised.
    I ignored this because she was in an age group that I could relate to.
    At our first meeting she began her honey trap which I also ignored as the second red flag.
    She told me that no one had made her feel the way I had. It became obvious why. My modus operandi is always to take the girl on a sexual journey, where they are the co-stars in an intimate girlfriend experience. She loved being treated with so much respect and that she was able to feel unprecedented pleasure.
    I suggested to her that by telling me how I made her feel was the usual thing she would say to any customer. She was so adamant that this was the first time she ever said this to anyone, I almost believed her.
    This girl told me that she protects herself by taking control of proceedings and therefore remains aloof during her sex work encounters. In the end her customer walks away feeling they have got what they have paid for and she has earned her fee.
    In my case she let her emotions get the better of her. As each session progressed her wall continued to crumble and in recent encounters she has relaxed to the point that her orgasms have come freely, are more intense, and in bigger numbers.
    I wrote a review of her which managed to attract over 3000 views. This must have increased her business out of sight.
    Each time we met in the bedroom she gushed about what I was doing for her, both physically and emotionally.
    Here were more red flags. What I missed here was that my emotional energy was assisting her in growing her self esteem and confidence. I will explain further.
    In our second bedroom encounter she suggested that we meet socially and get to know each other more, outside the bedroom.
    Our social meetings were always early in the morning. Her reasoning was that she worked during the night and having breakfast and a walk was good for her to wind down.
    Interestingly she told me that her night work was that she transported her girls to outcalls. Her girls meaning that she had a fledgling agency business. This has become another red flag.
    The salient points of our social meetings were her background, the reasons why she was in the sex business, what her goals are, and her emotional condition. She told me about how she had no confidence in herself and that she lacked self esteem. She told me that she had one close friend, and me in her life. She told me that her life is private and she does not want people knowing too much about her. She told me that she had no regular customers apart from me. I scoffed at this admittance. One day she told me that my view of escorting was wrong. Apart from the no regular issue she told me that all her bookings came on the day of the encounter. No customer pre booked. (Something I have always done with her. I will always pre-arrange a meeting with her at least 3 days in advance.) I found this no pre booking thing odd. There were so many more deep and meaningful issues that she covered. I continued to grow more and more attached to her with our meetings either in the bedroom or at our early morning meetings, even though there were so many red flags screaming at me to let this go.
    Going back to the privacy thing I mentioned above, I felt very privileged that she was trusting me enough to let me into her life, all be it with some areas in her life that were taboo subjects.
    Another red flag I missed during our 4 months together. When I started booking her, she would come back to me within the hour telling me she couldn’t wait to see me and she was counting down the days. Over the last 6 weeks her response has become less verbose and less timely. Her responses have now only come the night before our meeting with one word “okay”.
    Our early morning social meetings are always organised the week before. Recently her punctuality has slipped badly. When she arrives at these social meetings late, she does not apologise. When I quiz her about being late her excuse is always “crazy people”. I ask who they are. She says “girls and customers”. Nothing else.
    These last 6 weeks have seen her behaviour change which has corresponded with her being more confident in herself. I have seen this in the way she now makes love with me and her more detailed conversations. I have seen this rather timid girl’s personality and confidence grow. She now keeps eye contact through all conversations, and in the bedroom when we make love she is not embarrassed by continued eye contact.
    In 4 months I have seen this girl grow. Each week I have always sent her a message telling her how fantastic she is, how her continuous improvement strategies were paying dividends, and how she must feel so proud of herself with her emotional growth. She wanted my help to become a better person. Up until a month ago she would always respond to my messages. In the last month this has not happened.
    About a month ago she told me she was having a private photo shoot. This girl has regularly posted photos of herself on twitter. Some are rather risqué, but nothing obscene. Her comments on these photos have always been non sexual.
    Recently these new photos of her have appeared on twitter. This set of photos are a lot more revealing and she has ramped up the innuendo comments on her twitter feed.
    I must say that as the photos were hitting my feed, my heart sank.
    This week we had the very best love making session together.
    The next day her latest photo killed me. Not only the photo but the comments attached to the photo.
    It was now obvious that I had been taken advantage of. Her comments revealed that over the last 4 months “I have met so many amazing new regular clients who have turned out to be life-long friends. I am so excited to regularly speak to these friends who have helped me through a very dark period in my life. You will all be impressed how I am continually improving myself to be a better person”.
    This comment completely flawed me. The whole subterfuge of her having me to improve her ego, confidence and self esteem took me by surprise. I really thought I read her well. Turns out I was just another mug in a long line of suitors who she deliberately honey trapped to make her feel better.
    Where to from here? I have not spoken to her since last Tuesday. This is the longest time we have gone without speaking since we met. New Year has come and gone without a squeak.
    I have to let her go now. I have served my purpose and I need to feel proud that I had some influence in her growing as a person. She has more confidence and more self esteem. Lucky that this happened after 4 months. It may have been a lot more difficult had it gone on longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    It is my turn to fall on my sword. Punting is a lonely past time and I am not in a position to discuss this with anyone. Hence when something goes wrong the only avenue to emotionally dump is a forum such as this.
    I fell for a WL, yet there were so many red flags during my time with her that I ignored and still continued thinking that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
    As some background, I have seen over 50 individual sex workers over the previous year. 6 of these girls have become regular ladies who I have seen over half a dozen times each. The thing I liked about these regular girls were that they are half my age and they are the ideal “no strings attached” sexual encounters. Sure, there is a lot of flirtations activity, however, there was never any discussion about developing a relationship. For one hour we would love each other and then walk away. These girls knew I fucked other girls and I knew they fucked other blokes.
    I met a new girl 4 months ago. From our first time together I was completely smitten. It is very difficult to reflect on what made this so different. Even from this first meeting the first red flag was obvious. This girl lied about her age. My view was that she was 15 years older than what she advertised.
    I ignored this because she was in an age group that I could relate to.
    At our first meeting she began her honey trap which I also ignored as the second red flag.
    She told me that no one had made her feel the way I had. It became obvious why. My modus operandi is always to take the girl on a sexual journey, where they are the co-stars in an intimate girlfriend experience. She loved being treated with so much respect and that she was able to feel unprecedented pleasure.
    I suggested to her that by telling me how I made her feel was the usual thing she would say to any customer. She was so adamant that this was the first time she ever said this to anyone, I almost believed her.
    This girl told me that she protects herself by taking control of proceedings and therefore remains aloof during her sex work encounters. In the end her customer walks away feeling they have got what they have paid for and she has earned her fee.
    In my case she let her emotions get the better of her. As each session progressed her wall continued to crumble and in recent encounters she has relaxed to the point that her orgasms have come freely, are more intense, and in bigger numbers.
    I wrote a review of her which managed to attract over 3000 views. This must have increased her business out of sight.
    Each time we met in the bedroom she gushed about what I was doing for her, both physically and emotionally.
    Here were more red flags. What I missed here was that my emotional energy was assisting her in growing her self esteem and confidence. I will explain further.
    In our second bedroom encounter she suggested that we meet socially and get to know each other more, outside the bedroom.
    Our social meetings were always early in the morning. Her reasoning was that she worked during the night and having breakfast and a walk was good for her to wind down.
    Interestingly she told me that her night work was that she transported her girls to outcalls. Her girls meaning that she had a fledgling agency business. This has become another red flag.
    The salient points of our social meetings were her background, the reasons why she was in the sex business, what her goals are, and her emotional condition. She told me about how she had no confidence in herself and that she lacked self esteem. She told me that she had one close friend, and me in her life. She told me that her life is private and she does not want people knowing too much about her. She told me that she had no regular customers apart from me. I scoffed at this admittance. One day she told me that my view of escorting was wrong. Apart from the no regular issue she told me that all her bookings came on the day of the encounter. No customer pre booked. (Something I have always done with her. I will always pre-arrange a meeting with her at least 3 days in advance.) I found this no pre booking thing odd. There were so many more deep and meaningful issues that she covered. I continued to grow more and more attached to her with our meetings either in the bedroom or at our early morning meetings, even though there were so many red flags screaming at me to let this go.
    Going back to the privacy thing I mentioned above, I felt very privileged that she was trusting me enough to let me into her life, all be it with some areas in her life that were taboo subjects.
    Another red flag I missed during our 4 months together. When I started booking her, she would come back to me within the hour telling me she couldn’t wait to see me and she was counting down the days. Over the last 6 weeks her response has become less verbose and less timely. Her responses have now only come the night before our meeting with one word “okay”.
    Our early morning social meetings are always organised the week before. Recently her punctuality has slipped badly. When she arrives at these social meetings late, she does not apologise. When I quiz her about being late her excuse is always “crazy people”. I ask who they are. She says “girls and customers”. Nothing else.
    These last 6 weeks have seen her behaviour change which has corresponded with her being more confident in herself. I have seen this in the way she now makes love with me and her more detailed conversations. I have seen this rather timid girl’s personality and confidence grow. She now keeps eye contact through all conversations, and in the bedroom when we make love she is not embarrassed by continued eye contact.
    In 4 months I have seen this girl grow. Each week I have always sent her a message telling her how fantastic she is, how her continuous improvement strategies were paying dividends, and how she must feel so proud of herself with her emotional growth. She wanted my help to become a better person like me. Up until a month ago she would always respond to my messages. In the last month this has not happened.
    About a month ago she told me she was having a private photo shoot. This girl has regularly posted photos of herself on twitter. Some are rather risqué, but nothing obscene. Her comments on these photos have always been non sexual.
    Recently these new photos of her have appeared on twitter. This set of photos are a lot more revealing and she has ramped up the innuendo comments on her twitter feed.
    I must say that as the photos were hitting my feed, my heart sank.
    This week we had the very best love making session together.
    The next day her latest photo killed me. Not only the photo but the comments attached to the photo.
    It was now obvious that I had been taken advantage of. Her comments revealed that over the last 4 months “I have met so many amazing new regular clients who have turned out to be life-long friends. I am so excited to regularly speak to these friends who have helped me through a very dark period in my life. You will all be impressed how I am continually improving myself to be a better person”.
    This comment completely flawed me. The whole subterfuge of her having me to improve her ego, confidence and self esteem took me by surprise. I really thought I read her well. Turns out I was just another mug in a long line of suitors who she deliberately honey trapped to make her feel better.
    Where to from here? I have not spoken to her since last Tuesday. This is the longest time we have gone without speaking since we met. New Year has come and gone without a squeak.
    I have to let her go now. I have served my purpose and I need to feel proud that I had some influence in her growing as a person. She has more confidence and more self esteem. Lucky that this happened after 4 months. It may have been a lot more difficult had it gone on longer.
    I was visualising everything you said in my head and honestly I felt like I was you.

    Over the past week and a bit, Ive been through a mental mind fuck with my regular. All I can say is that I can relate to everything said here.

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    The mighty cock sword! Many comrades have fallen to this.

    I know its easier to say after the fact but its a bullet dodged. Speaking from experience, ML/WL does not make the best partners. I've started seeing a normal girl since my encounter with a WL, things are so much easier and no baggage both ways. Its so good, I am even thinking of giving up punting if this goes well...

    There is light at the end of the tunnel, but make sure you are in the right tunnel....

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    Thank Zinzan bro for sharing. I can almost feel for every word you have said. And I know how screwed it is to believe you are a little bit special to her but find out you are just "one of those".

    I am glad that you have been very conscious and you are doing the right thing to let her go. I have stopped seeing my last regular cause I know she will disappear traceless when her visa expires. although I am still checking everyday if she is on roster and every post or comments about her still catch my eyes. But I know the feeling will wear off eventually.

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