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    I am wondering if we can start a private board to share who the ML/WL are so other punters don't fall for the same trap....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelly69 View Post
    I am wondering if we can start a private board to share who the ML/WL are so other punters don't fall for the same trap....
    Most of them.....

    Most ML / WL will play guys... Let's face it 90% of guys are also playing the ML / WL too.

    The "outside of shop" game cuts both ways but the ML / WL usually better players. 🤣

    Don't be deceived by the young age lol.

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    @ZinZan Thats an amazing story and thanks for sharing. Your last comments really brought it home, but on the positive, the endless praised lifted her confidence and spirit making a positive change to someones life. All along the journey your head and your heart was telling you different things and at the end of it all - you knew the outcome.
    I cannot relate to all these feelings because getting involved with a ML/WL just leads to problems. I would like to think most punters flirt during a session, harmless bantering and the comments coming back from the WL/ML is always flattering. One should always take those comments like a grain of salt. Once again, it is always tempting to take the friendship outside the shop, but please refrain from doing this to avoid the issues described. Besides, why stick with one while there are so many more hot ones out there. Side note: 2021 is going to be another tough year. No new hot foreign students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    It is my turn to fall on my sword. Punting is a lonely past time and I am not in a position to discuss this with anyone. Hence when something goes wrong the only avenue to emotionally dump is a forum such as this.
    I fell for a WL, yet there were so many red flags during my time with her that I ignored and still continued thinking that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
    As some background, I have seen over 50 individual sex workers over the previous year. 6 of these girls have become regular ladies who I have seen over half a dozen times each. The thing I liked about these regular girls were that they are half my age and they are the ideal “no strings attached” sexual encounters. Sure, there is a lot of flirtations activity, however, there was never any discussion about developing a relationship. For one hour we would love each other and then walk away. These girls knew I fucked other girls and I knew they fucked other blokes.
    I met a new girl 4 months ago. From our first time together I was completely smitten. It is very difficult to reflect on what made this so different. Even from this first meeting the first red flag was obvious. This girl lied about her age. My view was that she was 15 years older than what she advertised.
    I ignored this because she was in an age group that I could relate to.
    At our first meeting she began her honey trap which I also ignored as the second red flag.
    She told me that no one had made her feel the way I had. It became obvious why. My modus operandi is always to take the girl on a sexual journey, where they are the co-stars in an intimate girlfriend experience. She loved being treated with so much respect and that she was able to feel unprecedented pleasure.
    I suggested to her that by telling me how I made her feel was the usual thing she would say to any customer. She was so adamant that this was the first time she ever said this to anyone, I almost believed her.
    This girl told me that she protects herself by taking control of proceedings and therefore remains aloof during her sex work encounters. In the end her customer walks away feeling they have got what they have paid for and she has earned her fee.
    In my case she let her emotions get the better of her. As each session progressed her wall continued to crumble and in recent encounters she has relaxed to the point that her orgasms have come freely, are more intense, and in bigger numbers.
    I wrote a review of her which managed to attract over 3000 views. This must have increased her business out of sight.
    Each time we met in the bedroom she gushed about what I was doing for her, both physically and emotionally.
    Here were more red flags. What I missed here was that my emotional energy was assisting her in growing her self esteem and confidence. I will explain further.
    In our second bedroom encounter she suggested that we meet socially and get to know each other more, outside the bedroom.
    Our social meetings were always early in the morning. Her reasoning was that she worked during the night and having breakfast and a walk was good for her to wind down.
    Interestingly she told me that her night work was that she transported her girls to outcalls. Her girls meaning that she had a fledgling agency business. This has become another red flag.
    The salient points of our social meetings were her background, the reasons why she was in the sex business, what her goals are, and her emotional condition. She told me about how she had no confidence in herself and that she lacked self esteem. She told me that she had one close friend, and me in her life. She told me that her life is private and she does not want people knowing too much about her. She told me that she had no regular customers apart from me. I scoffed at this admittance. One day she told me that my view of escorting was wrong. Apart from the no regular issue she told me that all her bookings came on the day of the encounter. No customer pre booked. (Something I have always done with her. I will always pre-arrange a meeting with her at least 3 days in advance.) I found this no pre booking thing odd. There were so many more deep and meaningful issues that she covered. I continued to grow more and more attached to her with our meetings either in the bedroom or at our early morning meetings, even though there were so many red flags screaming at me to let this go.
    Going back to the privacy thing I mentioned above, I felt very privileged that she was trusting me enough to let me into her life, all be it with some areas in her life that were taboo subjects.
    Another red flag I missed during our 4 months together. When I started booking her, she would come back to me within the hour telling me she couldn’t wait to see me and she was counting down the days. Over the last 6 weeks her response has become less verbose and less timely. Her responses have now only come the night before our meeting with one word “okay”.
    Our early morning social meetings are always organised the week before. Recently her punctuality has slipped badly. When she arrives at these social meetings late, she does not apologise. When I quiz her about being late her excuse is always “crazy people”. I ask who they are. She says “girls and customers”. Nothing else.
    These last 6 weeks have seen her behaviour change which has corresponded with her being more confident in herself. I have seen this in the way she now makes love with me and her more detailed conversations. I have seen this rather timid girl’s personality and confidence grow. She now keeps eye contact through all conversations, and in the bedroom when we make love she is not embarrassed by continued eye contact.
    In 4 months I have seen this girl grow. Each week I have always sent her a message telling her how fantastic she is, how her continuous improvement strategies were paying dividends, and how she must feel so proud of herself with her emotional growth. She wanted my help to become a better person like me. Up until a month ago she would always respond to my messages. In the last month this has not happened.
    About a month ago she told me she was having a private photo shoot. This girl has regularly posted photos of herself on twitter. Some are rather risqué, but nothing obscene. Her comments on these photos have always been non sexual.
    Recently these new photos of her have appeared on twitter. This set of photos are a lot more revealing and she has ramped up the innuendo comments on her twitter feed.
    I must say that as the photos were hitting my feed, my heart sank.
    This week we had the very best love making session together.
    The next day her latest photo killed me. Not only the photo but the comments attached to the photo.
    It was now obvious that I had been taken advantage of. Her comments revealed that over the last 4 months “I have met so many amazing new regular clients who have turned out to be life-long friends. I am so excited to regularly speak to these friends who have helped me through a very dark period in my life. You will all be impressed how I am continually improving myself to be a better person”.
    This comment completely flawed me. The whole subterfuge of her having me to improve her ego, confidence and self esteem took me by surprise. I really thought I read her well. Turns out I was just another mug in a long line of suitors who she deliberately honey trapped to make her feel better.
    Where to from here? I have not spoken to her since last Tuesday. This is the longest time we have gone without speaking since we met. New Year has come and gone without a squeak.
    I have to let her go now. I have served my purpose and I need to feel proud that I had some influence in her growing as a person. She has more confidence and more self esteem. Lucky that this happened after 4 months. It may have been a lot more difficult had it gone on longer.
    Are you a Tony Robbins fan? So many self-help terms in there...
    To be honest, I didn't find any of the "red flags" you mentioned in your post to be actually red flags. Instead, all the big red flags came from your description of how you felt. Like you saying "I felt very privileged that she was trusting me enough to let me into her life...", your constant use of the term "love making" instead of just sex, your expectations from her with reference to what you got in the past, etc. It all tells me you've got one heart-string too many attached to this situation.
    Besides, your claim that she cheated you into "improving her ego, confidence and self esteem".... well, that's all a bit too abstract to lay claim to, isn't it? I for one would never dare say that I am responsible for someone else's personality trait.

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    Let’s face it there are many of us that have a soft heart and can’t help but try and play the white knight, it’s who some of us are. For every one of these tales we read from a fellow punter there’s thousands more that haven’t been written and plenty of previously burnt punters telling those in the midst of their current crisis to move on for the better and this will continue until the end of time. Not long after starting punting I started to think about how I would be sucked into feelings vortex and knew I just wouldn’t be able to stop myself from falling for someone, it was bound to happen. Sure enough a girl/ML I’d seen a few times grew on me more and more each time I saw her as we discussed personal matters and the sessions became more experimental and intense... we did not fuck as yet but it was coming. I was still seeing plenty of other girls ML and WL, single and repeat visits and having some wild rides, I made sure of that but there was that ONE girl who would be the lost puppy that I had to save. So she looked at me and told me how much she liked me even threw the casual ‘Love you’ line at me. I just sat there on that table in silence for a bit resisting every fucking urge to say it back.
    I told her I liked her, I liked her a lot but I canÂ’t say i love you back even if itÂ’s a casual throw away... I didnÂ’t know. She looked confused and sad but I looked her in the eyes and told her how her world and mine were not compatible no matter how much we liked each other. I had prepared for this day and didnÂ’t allow my dick or my heart to overrule my head. Someone always gets hurt and I told her that would more than likely be me! I then said to her that we should never ever fuck, IÂ’ll be back to see you only if you promise this doesnÂ’t happen, no matter how much I told you I want to, donÂ’t let it happen. I didnÂ’t see her for at least the next 6 weeks, I felt terrible but I continued to see other girls at an even more frantic pace. I did go back and do continue to see her and our sessions always are amazing. IÂ’ll always have a soft spot for her I just never make a point of telling her how much.
    I think I only managed to do that by reading this forum and the assurances of others of impending disaster and heartbreak, as much as I already knew it. I donÂ’t want to do that to any woman in this game, itÂ’s hard enough as is and I especially didnÂ’t want to go through that pain and anguish again myself.
    Prepare yourself gents, you might think you know the risks and consequences but no fuck is really worth that.
    Some harsh words and attitudes displayed by some members about this topic but I for one saw them as ‘Speaking words of wisdom.... Let it be’.
    I feel for you ZinZan, Take care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    She wanted my help to become a better person like me.
    Not sure if you're aware of what you wrote there 😁

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelly69 View Post
    The mighty cock sword! Many comrades have fallen to this.

    I know its easier to say after the fact but its a bullet dodged. Speaking from experience, ML/WL does not make the best partners. I've started seeing a normal girl since my encounter with a WL, things are so much easier and no baggage both ways. Its so good, I am even thinking of giving up punting if this goes well...

    There is light at the end of the tunnel, but make sure you are in the right tunnel....
    I agree with you. When you start punting you fall into this fantasy world believing that these girls are loving and caring and maybe you can be friends and even date them. They will say "you're so handsome", or "I like you very much" and this makes you feel good inside not knowing that they give similar compliments to most of their clients. However, once you keep hearing the same comments over and over again, it wears off. After joining this forum, you get a different picture of what these girls are all about and how it is all about the money that drives them to work in this industry and to say nice comments to customers.

    My advice to guys who want to have a proper relationship is to look outside the shops. You won't have to deal with the baggage these girls have or to worry about the many guys she is spending time with in order to make a living or to support her expensive tastes. Of course, there is a chance the girl you meet outside might also have some baggage but that's life. There are a lot of fish in the sea. Go out and find the right one. Don't waste your time and energy in searching for a girlfriend or wife in a shop. It will always end badly for you.

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    I want to premise this by saying. I'm not having a go at you. Just wondering

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Even from this first meeting the first red flag was obvious. This girl lied about her age. My view was that she was 15 years older than what she advertised.
    This is such common practice in the industry, why red flag? Fake pics, fake age, fake nationality. All standard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    She told me that no one had made her feel the way I had.
    Pretty common, considering her age, she's probably a veteran. I'd be surprise if she was like new girl.

    following that. With her (probably late 30's) she probably have to go the extra mile to get work considering most pplz won't rebook her after being tricked by her age. which makes the.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    She told me that she had no regular customers apart from me....... Apart from the no regular issue she told me that all her bookings came on the day of the encounter. No customer pre booked.
    Quite believable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Her girls meaning that she had a fledgling agency business. This has become another red flag.
    Why red flag? she's in the sex industry. She's hustling. she's a WL in her late 30s. Unless she has a hidden degree somewhere she's trapped in the industry.
    The money she brings in as a WL compared to an alternative career path if she were to switch.
    What would she put on her resume? Or the for the big gap in employment years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    She loved being treated with so much respect and that she was able to feel unprecedented pleasure.
    She working you. making you feel good about yourself. Stroking your ego.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    These last 6 weeks have seen her behavior change which has corresponded with her being more confident in herself.
    She probably just got bored of you or found someone else. You weren't offering her a relationship and it wasn't going anywhere. So she just might be just moving on or seeing no point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    I have seen this rather timid girl’s personality and confidence grow. She now keeps eye contact through all conversations, and in the bedroom when we make love she is not embarrassed by continued eye contact.
    Doubt that's confidence, probably just familar with you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    It was now obvious that I had been taken advantage of. Her comments revealed that over the last 4 months “I have met so many amazing new regular clients who have turned out to be life-long friends. I am so excited to regularly speak to these friends who have helped me through a very dark period in my life.
    I don't think this is WL, but just WOMEN in general. Everyone is out for their own benefit.
    you want sex.
    they want something out of it.
    It sure sucks to feel used and abused. I'm not giving advice. I think this is just life in general. I think every guy out there will get used and lied to by women sometime during their life.
    Atleast this is a much easier relationship to just walk away from.

    One piece of advice.
    If you really want to test of a WL (girl) is truly into you. See if they'll buy you anything. From something small to something large.
    If they are willing to spend money on you. Then you may actually have a relationship with them.

    I've always found it's easier to fuck a girl (not wl) in the ass than in is to get them to pay for you.

    If they're paying for your plane ticket to travel with them. Book hotels for you 2 to stay. Don't think you got a girls heart. (not saying to use women for their money. obviously pay for stuff also. But if it's a 1 sided transaction, especially considering the amount of money WL make. you don't really mean much to them.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuteguy View Post
    I agree with you. When you start punting you fall into this fantasy world believing that these girls are loving and caring and maybe you can be friends and even date them. They will say "you're so handsome", or "I like you very much" and this makes you feel good inside not knowing that they give similar compliments to most of their clients. However, once you keep hearing the same comments over and over again, it wears off. After joining this forum, you get a different picture of what these girls are all about and how it is all about the money that drives them to work in this industry and to say nice comments to customers.

    My advice to guys who want to have a proper relationship is to look outside the shops. You won't have to deal with the baggage these girls have or to worry about the many guys she is spending time with in order to make a living or to support her expensive tastes. Of course, there is a chance the girl you meet outside might also have some baggage but that's life. There are a lot of fish in the sea. Go out and find the right one. Don't waste your time and energy in searching for a girlfriend or wife in a shop. It will always end badly for you.
    Nicely said cuteguy. Last week I was having dinner with a Chinese girl that I've known for a while. It was great to sit down opposite a normal Chinese girl and not a WL that I'm friends with outside the shop.

    WL's have complicated lives and I'm starting to see it very clearly now. Don't get me wrong, I'll still maintain contact with my regular but just saying that their lives are complicated and convoluted. Problems with customers, problems with the shop, other punters harrassing her and the list goes on.

    The thing is, the more I'm exposed to it, the more I understand and see how difficult it is for the WL's. It's their choice but once they are in, I think it's very difficult to leave even though they want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    It is my turn to fall on my sword. Punting is a lonely past time and I am not in a position to discuss this with anyone. Hence when something goes wrong the only avenue to emotionally dump is a forum such as this.
    I fell for a WL, yet there were so many red flags during my time with her that I ignored and still continued thinking that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
    As some background, I have seen over 50 individual sex workers over the previous year. 6 of these girls have become regular ladies who I have seen over half a dozen times each. The thing I liked about these regular girls were that they are half my age and they are the ideal “no strings attached” sexual encounters. Sure, there is a lot of flirtations activity, however, there was never any discussion about developing a relationship. For one hour we would love each other and then walk away. These girls knew I fucked other girls and I knew they fucked other blokes.
    I met a new girl 4 months ago. From our first time together I was completely smitten. It is very difficult to reflect on what made this so different. Even from this first meeting the first red flag was obvious. This girl lied about her age. My view was that she was 15 years older than what she advertised.
    I ignored this because she was in an age group that I could relate to.
    At our first meeting she began her honey trap which I also ignored as the second red flag.
    She told me that no one had made her feel the way I had. It became obvious why. My modus operandi is always to take the girl on a sexual journey, where they are the co-stars in an intimate girlfriend experience. She loved being treated with so much respect and that she was able to feel unprecedented pleasure.
    I suggested to her that by telling me how I made her feel was the usual thing she would say to any customer. She was so adamant that this was the first time she ever said this to anyone, I almost believed her.
    This girl told me that she protects herself by taking control of proceedings and therefore remains aloof during her sex work encounters. In the end her customer walks away feeling they have got what they have paid for and she has earned her fee.
    In my case she let her emotions get the better of her. As each session progressed her wall continued to crumble and in recent encounters she has relaxed to the point that her orgasms have come freely, are more intense, and in bigger numbers.
    I wrote a review of her which managed to attract over 3000 views. This must have increased her business out of sight.
    Each time we met in the bedroom she gushed about what I was doing for her, both physically and emotionally.
    Here were more red flags. What I missed here was that my emotional energy was assisting her in growing her self esteem and confidence. I will explain further.
    In our second bedroom encounter she suggested that we meet socially and get to know each other more, outside the bedroom.
    Our social meetings were always early in the morning. Her reasoning was that she worked during the night and having breakfast and a walk was good for her to wind down.
    Interestingly she told me that her night work was that she transported her girls to outcalls. Her girls meaning that she had a fledgling agency business. This has become another red flag.
    The salient points of our social meetings were her background, the reasons why she was in the sex business, what her goals are, and her emotional condition. She told me about how she had no confidence in herself and that she lacked self esteem. She told me that she had one close friend, and me in her life. She told me that her life is private and she does not want people knowing too much about her. She told me that she had no regular customers apart from me. I scoffed at this admittance. One day she told me that my view of escorting was wrong. Apart from the no regular issue she told me that all her bookings came on the day of the encounter. No customer pre booked. (Something I have always done with her. I will always pre-arrange a meeting with her at least 3 days in advance.) I found this no pre booking thing odd. There were so many more deep and meaningful issues that she covered. I continued to grow more and more attached to her with our meetings either in the bedroom or at our early morning meetings, even though there were so many red flags screaming at me to let this go.
    Going back to the privacy thing I mentioned above, I felt very privileged that she was trusting me enough to let me into her life, all be it with some areas in her life that were taboo subjects.
    Another red flag I missed during our 4 months together. When I started booking her, she would come back to me within the hour telling me she couldn’t wait to see me and she was counting down the days. Over the last 6 weeks her response has become less verbose and less timely. Her responses have now only come the night before our meeting with one word “okay”.
    Our early morning social meetings are always organised the week before. Recently her punctuality has slipped badly. When she arrives at these social meetings late, she does not apologise. When I quiz her about being late her excuse is always “crazy people”. I ask who they are. She says “girls and customers”. Nothing else.
    These last 6 weeks have seen her behaviour change which has corresponded with her being more confident in herself. I have seen this in the way she now makes love with me and her more detailed conversations. I have seen this rather timid girl’s personality and confidence grow. She now keeps eye contact through all conversations, and in the bedroom when we make love she is not embarrassed by continued eye contact.
    In 4 months I have seen this girl grow. Each week I have always sent her a message telling her how fantastic she is, how her continuous improvement strategies were paying dividends, and how she must feel so proud of herself with her emotional growth. She wanted my help to become a better person. Up until a month ago she would always respond to my messages. In the last month this has not happened.
    About a month ago she told me she was having a private photo shoot. This girl has regularly posted photos of herself on twitter. Some are rather risqué, but nothing obscene. Her comments on these photos have always been non sexual.
    Recently these new photos of her have appeared on twitter. This set of photos are a lot more revealing and she has ramped up the innuendo comments on her twitter feed.
    I must say that as the photos were hitting my feed, my heart sank.
    This week we had the very best love making session together.
    The next day her latest photo killed me. Not only the photo but the comments attached to the photo.
    It was now obvious that I had been taken advantage of. Her comments revealed that over the last 4 months “I have met so many amazing new regular clients who have turned out to be life-long friends. I am so excited to regularly speak to these friends who have helped me through a very dark period in my life. You will all be impressed how I am continually improving myself to be a better person”.
    This comment completely flawed me. The whole subterfuge of her having me to improve her ego, confidence and self esteem took me by surprise. I really thought I read her well. Turns out I was just another mug in a long line of suitors who she deliberately honey trapped to make her feel better.
    Where to from here? I have not spoken to her since last Tuesday. This is the longest time we have gone without speaking since we met. New Year has come and gone without a squeak.
    I have to let her go now. I have served my purpose and I need to feel proud that I had some influence in her growing as a person. She has more confidence and more self esteem. Lucky that this happened after 4 months. It may have been a lot more difficult had it gone on longer.
    I'm trying to figure out as what you lost from this . You should ask her to see guru like Tony Robbins about her self esteem. You didn't buy her anything , you pay and you got the sex you wanted . Even went out with you free of charge No damage to you .You said it yourself you never wanted a relationship . Only a fantasy relationship . well you got a real fantasy relationship . She made you feel in love again . She know you're not into a relationship but a fantasy . she used twitters so she's a local WL . I don't think it's a good idea to date a WL who never going quit the Industry . No future if she has no intention of leaving the sex industry . You saw over 50 WL s and only you had problem with one of them. That's a pretty average don't you think 1/50

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    Man a lot of guys fall for working girls. A few of my mates ended up marrying some.

    But if you ask me, at the end of the day, just have fun with it. Don’t be too serious or get emotionally invested if at all possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodbloke View Post
    I'm trying to figure out as what you lost from this . You should ask her to see guru like Tony Robbins about her self esteem. You didn't buy her anything , you pay and you got the sex you wanted . Even went out with you free of charge No damage to you .You said it yourself you never wanted a relationship . Only a fantasy relationship . well you got a real fantasy relationship . She made you feel in love again . She know you're not into a relationship but a fantasy . she used twitters so she's a local WL . I don't think it's a good idea to date a WL who never going quit the Industry . No future if she has no intention of leaving the sex industry . You saw over 50 WL s and only you had problem with one of them. That's a pretty average don't you think 1/50
    Exactly what I was thinking. I read through the whole post expecting at some point that the lady would do something to hurt this guy but at the end of it I was like "that's it??".
    I guess some people can get offended by things that you can never imagine would be a problem... That's probably how a lot of domestic violence happens. Somebody does something thinking it is perfectly fine, but the other party is offended, simmers in all that negativity for a long time, then it boils over into something seriously bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldfishMan View Post
    Exactly what I was thinking. I read through the whole post expecting at some point that the lady would do something to hurt this guy but at the end of it I was like "that's it??".
    And then the next thing you know these Romeos get on the next thread asking which girls give the best rimming LOL!

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